From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 144 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ron and the jonifest ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Jonifest 2004 scholarship fund [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Ron and the jonifest [Catherine McKay ] like a ruby in a black man's ear ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Ron and the jonifest ["Ron" ] Re: like a ruby in a black man's ear ["Kate Bennett" ] re: Joni's dog ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #232 [Michael Paz ] Re: butterflies and lilac sprays [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni at the movies fantasy [Michael Paz ] Re: Ron and the jonifest ["hell" ] 3 Joni Mentions in one Saturday, 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Wilson Phillips correction [vince ] Today's Library Links: May 23 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:20:50 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Ron and the jonifest Ron said: >another was the friend who helped me thru my severe depression after i >finished military service. ill never forget the look on her face when she >heard "blue" for the first time. or her tone of voice when she said"its >beautiful" in a way that just put so much depth into those two words. Hi Ron, I am interested in the depression you suffered. . .and if/ how it came about as a result of your military service. If you could tell us more, I would like to hear about it. it is lovely to imagine someone saying that ("It's beautiful") about Blue. . . in the way that you described it. >then you go to jonifest - while the music is great - its the wall to wall >people who get joni which just makes it oh so great. leaving is a real >bitch, as is having to finally come to terms with the fact that i just cant >make it this year due to work pressures............................ i Ron get high marks for coming from far and wide to last year's fest. . . (South Africa, right?) Which JMDL"ER has come the furthest to a fest? We should have an ongoing award for this. . . like, send him presents and such. . . I can't quite remember if there was an award. . . 1. Who has come the furthest? 2. Who has come 2nd furthest? 3. Third? >& i really, really wanted to do the duck pond this year :-) care to elaborate? ("wink") >tomorrow i go to >blow the airfare id saved - on a truly beautiful landscape to hang on my >wall - the very, very first painting i have ever fallen in love >with..................... THIS is what really prompted me to write this morning. I'd love to hear more about this painting and why you like it so. LO VE Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Learn to simplify your finances and your life in Streamline Your Life from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0405streamline.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:15:14 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2004 scholarship fund If you'd like to go to Jonifest 2004, but are having some financial difficulties getting there, there is a scholarship fund available to help you along. If you are in need of scholarship this year, please make sure you sign up right away and apply for help on the sign up form. The scholarship money will be dispersed after all the money is in on June 15th. If you are able to help your fellow JMDL friends out this year, please consider donating to this fund. If you are going to Jonifest, please remember the June 15th deadline for all money, forms, scholarship donations, and donations to the JMDL. All info, forms, etc. here: www.jonifest.com Also, only 10 more days to vote for your favorite logo! http://jonifest.com/vote.cfm All votes must be in by May 31st. Please, only one vote per person. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ron and the jonifest --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > Which JMDL"ER has come the furthest to a fest? > We should have an ongoing award for this. . . like, > send him presents and > such. . . > I can't quite remember if there was an award. . . > > 1. Who has come the furthest? > 2. Who has come 2nd furthest? > 3. Third? > I'm guessing the one who has come the furthest is likely Hell from NZ. I think giving her free airfare to this year's fest would be nice - but I guess I'm just a dreamer. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:03:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: like a ruby in a black man's ear This is one of my favorite songs! I think its simply one of Joni's beautiful visual painterly descriptions... most definitely it is a positive one for both the jewel & the man IMO... she is describing a man who is a bit on the flamboyant side & if you pay close attention to some of the metaphors I think you will uncover who the song may be about... if that sort of thing interests you ;~} ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:03:35 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Ron and the jonifest hi marianne > >wall - the very, very first painting i have ever fallen in love > >with..................... > THIS is what really prompted me to write this morning. > I'd love to hear more about this painting and why you like it so. the painting is entitled "deep in the forest" and is by a local artist named chris tugwell. he is apparently rated as one of the country's top landscape artists (tho id never heard of him before - but then i actually generally take very little interest in paintings.... it is a scene of a stream running through a forest, over some rocks, with trees growing together in a canopy over the stream. i guess i fell in love with it for a couple of reasons. the lighting is just so superb - managing to look peaceful, yet just a little bit sinister if you look at it that way (mmm - guess who was reading stephen king this morning!!!). the other reason is that the scene just brought back so many memories & emotions. in my younger days i spent a lot of time in the bush, hiking, shooting, & riding bicycles & motorbikes. we would generally set up camp in spots that were very similar in appearance and emotion to the scene in the painting. the artist comes from the same area i did, so i guess we have some shared influences & i could really get what he put into the painting. here are links to some of his paintings on show at his gallery - where i bought the painting http://www.christugwell.co.za/kosmos_final_20.html http://www.christugwell.co.za/kosmos_final_28.html and some of his works at other galleries http://www.johansmith.co.za/artwork/htmlcategory/christugwell.html http://www.africaartgallery.co.za/Chris_Tugwell/#image http://www.riverslime.com/africanjournal/artwork.php > I am interested in the depression you suffered. . .and if/ how it came about > as a result of your military service. If you could tell us more, I would > like to hear about it. im not actually sure that it was really depression - i was very out of it in a number of ways.i guess in some ways it was more of a paranoid type thing. i was totally convinced everyone was talking about me, they all had the secret to make me "better" but wouldnt tell me straight out - just try to tell in some kind of code. everybody knew all about me & wherever i went people were aware of me & would talk about me. i would spend days in bed, & just start crying if anyone tried to talk to me. i was hearing voices as well. i would avoid people - except for one or two close friends. but even with them i would not speak at all if there were more than one of them present. looking back - i think the things that pulled me through were god, my friends, & the fact that i was just too scared to talk to anyone about what i was going through. what caused it - i have no idea. i always was a bit of a loner in many ways. id like to say that no one understood me & all that kind of thing - but that wouldnt be true. drugs made me worse, but since i was too scared to tell anyone, & too scared to say no, & most of my friends were doing them - i just kept right on. it started toward the end of my military service - but whether that was the cause, or just a catalyst - i really dont know. > Which JMDL"ER has come the furthest to a fest? well - i did get an award last year - but i really think hell travelling all the way from new zealand must hold the record!!! but - for what its worth if it wasnt for the timing & my work i really wouldnt think twice about making the trip again!!! > >& i really, really wanted to do the duck pond this year :-) > care to elaborate? ("wink") well - it just seemed like such a good idea at the time & i really really wanted to dive in as well - but i was too inhibited & really disappointed with myself that i didnt make the plunge. so i wanted to make up for it by making the leap this year - oh well........... im not happy with my job at the moment - so maybe if i find something else in time - probably not this year - maybe next :-) also - i didnt get any of that rock art lying around so i guess i missed out on just too much & will have to make a plan sometime!!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:27:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: like a ruby in a black man's ear >Anyway, I've been looking high and low for a real ruby earring to sport in my own black lobe, so I'll be properly accessorized when I finally meet Joan. I wonder how many people will see me and "get it" when I finally find one. We shall see.< Great to read a post from you Julius! I was thinking the very same thing that Midway is also about the stage of life she was in (at least she thought so at that point) & also perhaps the stage of her career &/or his career (she refers to this later in the song) as she saw it then Anyway, I love the idea of getting a ruby & seeing who gets it! Tres cool! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:19:32 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Butterflies and Lilac Sprays Cindy wrote: "these notes to joni that say something like "i'm only telling you this becase i'm your friend (which really means: 'i'm only telling you this because i'm jealous of you and your success and i want to even out the playing field a bit'), but your lover ('who i'd love to say was *mine*') isn't being faithful to you ('and isn't cheating with *me,* dammit'). bless your heart for having this heartache to deal with ('mmwaahahaha')"and it's poison to the relationship written on sweet flowery stationary...." Wow, Cindy! This is good, and very deep, too! I can definitely see the psychology behind all this. Not that I have a distrust for all women, but I do know a small handful who behave like this. And your analysis may reveal a bit of why Joni seems a little standoff-ish about making friendships with women, and why she may tend to befriend more males than she does females. After re-reading the lyrics to FTR, I have to throw out my theory about Joni inadvertently getting the flowers meant for her beau. The butterfly notes are intended for Joni to read, according to her lyrics. I wonder if the "red ribbon runner" may also be a reference to how some people "roll out the red carpet" for someone who is being honored? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:34:06 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni's dog Patti wrote: I don't know whether Joni had a dog during the FTR years. But I do know that she drew a picture of a dog. I have the FTR guitar songbook which also contains Joni's artwork during this period. On the lyric page for "Electricity," Joni has illustrated (with magic markers?) a scene that shows a guy in jeans and a long-sleeve red shirt sitting in the grass near a body of water. There is a forest in the background. Lying on the grass next to the man is a dog. I'm not sure what kind of dog, but it is medium sized, has floppy ears, and brown spots. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:59:22 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #232 Glad you got to talk to her. I haven't spoken to her in ages and she seems to be low profile on the list at the moment perhaps because of the constant abuse by certain list members. I am do for a long Kakki chat on the phone. It would be a cool thing to be able to do a joni list video conference kinda thing. I have been looking into getting a camera for my Mac. Glad you had a good time Don and come on back to the US during fest season. Best Paz > Hi All, > > About 2 weeks ago Iwas in Los Angeles for a working conference (my annual > pilgrimmage) Before I left to go away I was told by Micahel Paz to look up > Kakki. > Thanks for the tip Paz. > Whilst our schedules didn't allow for us to meet up this time, We did get to > talk on the phone. It was the night before I left to come back to Australia > and we talked for hours. Some of the things that we spoke of were very > commonsense much of it c0oncerned Ms. Mitchell of course. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:01:46 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: butterflies and lilac sprays Its a really good thing you live in Massachusetts. > *W* signed: > > << Mrs. Robert Murphy-Kairuz -- oh god ! at last! a hyphenated last name! >> > > If I married more JMDLers, I'd be . . . > > Mrs. Robert "Troy" Stansfield McNally Paz Vickery Hone Fortenski Guzzi > Johnson & Johnson Kairuz-Murphy! > > Hmm . . . Talk about being pinned in a corner! > > XO, > > --Mrs. Norman Maine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:03:03 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni at the movies fantasy Chris and Victor have much better bottom than I. The wood pecker thing is kinda interesting though. I'll have to get back to you on that one. Paz >> Shrek 2 is coming out, here is my fantasy... > The back up band > D lahm on the piano would be the "Fox" from Pinocchio > M Paz on Bass would be Woody the Wood Pecker > Lead Guitar Kate Bennett would be "Ariel" (Disney Mermaid) > The Announcer SC Joni Guy "Schroeder" the Pianist from Peanuts< > > LOL... I am flattered to be ariel but the band is in trouble if I am playing > lead! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:31:44 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Ron and the jonifest Catherine wrote: > I'm guessing the one who has come the furthest is > likely Hell from NZ. I think giving her free airfare > to this year's fest would be nice - but I guess I'm > just a dreamer. Oooooh, yes please (dreaming is right, Catherine)! I'm determined to win the lottery, though. I got excited last night because I thought I'd won quite a lot, but sadly it wasn't enough. I still won $160, which is pretty damn good, but that wouldn't even cover my travel insurance (it will buy a few more tickets next week, though)! I "assume" I've come the furthest, but I may be wrong - the distance from Auckland to Albany is 8870 miles, or 14274 km, and the distance from Auckland to Boston is 9000 miles, or 14482 km. I did get "awarded" a prize at both Jonifests I've attended. At the first was a Topsfield coffee mug - which still gets regular use at work, when I need a BIG coffee (otherwise I use my other Jonifest mug!) - and at the second my prize was a stuffed dingo. I won't elaborate..... Hell - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 19:51:58 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 3 Joni Mentions in one Saturday, 100% JC I witnessed 3 Joni mentions so far today. 1. In a burger place, "Free Man In Paris" came on. 2. Back home, on The World Cafe, David Dye was interviewing Alanis Morissette. He said "You've been given an... opportunity not everyone has." Alanis laughed. He continued, "You had an chance to do anything you want. You didn't have to work but you were faced with as Joni Mitchell put it, 'the crazy you get from too much choice.' What did you do with your time?" www.wxpn.com 3. I was reading the May/June copy of "American Photographer", cover-to-cover. See if you can guess who the photographer was in the Nikon ad: "We asked the band if they had an album title in mind, or any ideas for the photography. They said, 'No, not really,' Then Ray said, 'Well, you know, my wife and I were driving in downtown L.A. and we saw this hotel, and it was called the Morrison Hotel.' And everyone went, 'Oh man, that's great.'" Now Lama again: So much for Jim Morrison's rep as a visionary and a poet. Anyway, the photographer continued: "I'm a professional if that means I earned a living from photography, but I was just photographing the stuff I saw during the day as a musician and as part of knowing all these people." Nikon then says his work "includes friends and contemporaries like James Taylor, the Eagles, the Byrds, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, the Lovin' Spoonful, the Monkees, and Joni Mitchell. (If you want to see some of his work, you can visit his online gallery at www.henrysgallery.com ..." Now Lama again: Yeah, Joni's name was last as if to leave a lasting impression. :) By now you know it was Henry Diltz. Anyway, the next time someone claims that Joni has been forgotten, you can just smile. All the best, Jim np: Nellie McKay (pronounced mc - K - EYE) at full volume ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 00:46:44 -0400 From: vince Subject: Joni & Wilson Phillips on the late night tv ads Wilson Phillips is advertised, a new "California" album, featuring, they first mention, Fleetwood Mac and the second artist named is... Joni Mitchell! http://www.sonymusicstore.com/store/catalog/MerchandiseDetails.jsp?merchId=70212 two Jonis on the album - including the one we obviously expect on an album of California music Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 00:52:48 -0400 From: vince Subject: Wilson Phillips correction In the best Bob Muller thinking (which I have not totally mastered on a more quick basis) it occurs to me that there is a third Joni song/cover on the Wilson Phillips album, "Get Together" which, if I recall correctly, Joni is filmed singing in Celebration at Big Sur. http://www.sonymusicstore.com/store/catalog/MerchandiseDetails.jsp?merchId=70212 and another connection is that if I recall correctly, at the taping of PWWAM Kakki sat next to a Phillips, but I cannot recall which one Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 02:11:16 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 23 On May 23 the following articles were published: 1998: "Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison" - RollingStone.com (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=311 2001: "Dylan 'the greatest songwriter'" - BBC Online (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=692 2002: "Bush can give a hand up to Putin" - USA Today (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=854 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #144 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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