From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #114 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 114 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni , James and Jonatha Brooke [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Re: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try [AzeemAK@aol.com] Wonder if Joni's behind this one? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try ["Bree Mcdonough] cinematics in Hejira ["Kate Cox" ] question of the day ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:09:24 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Joni , James and Jonatha Brooke Hello After a year of being a very busy independent Architect receiving unemployment I now am employed at a large Architectural Firm that does produce very good Architecture, but now to the point. My Heritage with James started with seeing him in the early 70's at the Auditorium Building in Downtown Chicago. A very old but Historic Hall the first in that city to have Edison, DC lights and Air conditioning designed by Louis Sullivan. JT brought on Carly who sang her hits Anticipation Etc. Later I moved to Boston/Cambridge and Visited McLean Hospital were JT was a patient and the Milton Academy allegedly the cause of his problems. To much of my time was spent at the Plough and the Stars on Mass Ave drinking some dark frothy liquid. Those college years bring tears to my eyes. Now to just last week I went to see Jonatha Brook play here in My town just recently on her latest CD Back in the Circus she does a fine new Fire and Rain. So after the Concert she came out to Sign CD's. I presented here with The Joni and James 1970 BBC songs, I told here that Joni and James were a couple during this period which surprised her.Jonatha show was the best she has developed a powerful deeper voice which she allows to surface on a couple songs that night. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:13:49 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try In a message dated 21/04/2004 19:06:52 GMT Daylight Time, sellout48@hotmail.com writes: << I think this statement is self-explanatory. With 'Help Me', I think Joni intended to create a feel-good pop song; with 'Hejira', she wanted to explore and analyse the contents of her consciousness in a more profound and intensive way. >> Welcome to the list Kate - it's always great to see another Londoner on the scene :-) As for these two songs, I think it's almost an unfair comparison - after all, compare any lyric to Hejira and it might look a little impoverished! It is, as far as I'm concerned, the greatest song from the greatest album ever. I'm always aware of a tendency of some to argue that poetry is somehow "better" than pop lyrics, and that is something I tend to argue against. After all, put the lyrics of Hejira to the tune of Help Me and it would sound ridiculous, setting aside considerations of scansion and so on. One definition of poetry (I think it might have been Oscar Wilde's) is "the best words, in the best possible order." On that basis, I might contend that Help Me is every bit as poetic as Hejira, even though I would readily concede that isn't as profound a song. Azeem in London (Crouch End, to be precise) NP: Kate Rogers - The Girl Who Fell Through The Ice (beautiful song, gorgeous voice) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:58:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wonder if Joni's behind this one? http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/lcac (I'd wait for them to fix that pricing typo before buying it, though...) Bob NP: Lovemongers, "Battle of Evermore" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:28:04 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try Hi kate and welcome. Nice to have you here. (welcome to Em ..too..I don't think I welcomed you ) A bit ago, Mags from the list, suggested doing just this; read the lyrics ..speak the lyrics sans the music. I tell you I gained a whole new appreciation for Joni the poet. I did this over the phone lines and then again with just myself. Yes...and joni has so many different elements...you said a bunch here. How did you come to find Joni? Bree >Of course it's impossible to imagine how you would respond to Joni's >lyrics if you'd never heard the music, but I really think that it would >be possible to read the lyrics from STOAS, Blue, FTR, and HOSL (these are >just my personal choices) and to experience the wholeness of their >meaning without losing anything from the lack of music. On those albums, >either the lyrics or the music could stand alone in their brilliance: >their combination is so perfect, accurate, sensitive and beautiful that >sometimes it's too intense to bear! > >Some of Jim Morrison's lyrics (released on record and unreleased) have >been published, and they lose nothing in strength or impact from a lack >of musical accompaniment. His first gravestone in Paris (before it was >stolen) bore the words 'Poet and dreamer'. Joni should certainly be >accredited for being a poet, as well as a songwriter, musician and >artist. She has so many different elements, and she is both talented and >free enough that they never contradict each other. > >Kate Cox in London > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs NEW all-in-one >Premium Services. Find out more here. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:02:43 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: cinematics in Hejira >i'm just going to remind everyone, especially those who haven't heard this >rant of mine before: hejira is unbelievably cinematic, and that's a huge >poetic achievement. >EXT: snow-covered chimneys on urban rooftops, night sky, slightly blurry >CAMERA, reverse pan until full moon, slightly comes into view. >VOICEOVER >"those chimneys and the clouds look like truce flags" >CAMERA, reverse pan until it becomes clear that moon, clouds and chimneys, >are seen in reflection of high-modernist glass-box building >INT: CAMERA, continues reverse pan until window frame and generic hotel furniture comes into view. >which sort of connects with lucy's early thread about visuals. this is my >single most forceful visual that i experience listening to joni's music, and >i treasure it every single time (though i don't really hear the voiceover, i >was just trying to be clever) Thanks for this Patrick, those last few lines of 'Hejira' have always puzzled me a bit as they seemed disjointed. The best I could come up with that she was projecting her desire for a resolution -"We're only particles of change, I know, I know, orbiting around the sun, but how can I have that point of view when I'm always bound and tied to someone?" - on to the urban landscape around her: "White flags of winter chimneys wave truce against the moon". I think she does kind of the same thing in 'Willy' when she projects Graham Nash's (?) feelings on to what he can see through the window: "He said I feel once again like I gave my heart too soon, he stood looking through the lace at the face on the conquered moon". However, I could never figure out that bit about the mirrors of the modern bank and the window of the hotel room, but I see what you mean, it is a camera panning in from different angles and reflecting the previous image in the next one! It all makes sense now! But why do you think she would have used a cinematic device like this? I can't think of anything else in the song which refers to movies or anything. Kate C - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:09:59 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: question of the day question of the day: I got an email from a friend who is a teacher, one of those emails you send out to 50 people, and she says: I need a song for my class for Earth day - does anyone have the words to Big Yellow Taxi? I wish every email I got was as easy to deal with as that was! Happy Earth Day - Vince ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #114 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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