From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #108 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 108 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Diana Krall ["willytheshake100" ] Another Case of You ["G'n H" ] Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni [Ken ] Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Another Case of You [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Instant Bliss ["mia ortlieb" ] re: Woman of Heart and Mind (no PC, hooray) ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U [david sapp ] Re: "Old Father Time"? [Catherine McKay ] Joni mention in Vancouver Sun [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Joni mention in Vancouver Sun ["tantra-apso" ] Re: Question regarding "Moon at the Window" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] speaking of "me toos." ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Hitler [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni [Ken ] Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Michael - a man or a child? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni [Ken ] re: Nuriel, male or... [Nuriel Tobias ] Good food at the fest [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Good food at the fest [Em ] RE: Nuriel, male or... ["patrick leader" ] RE: Nuriel, male or... [Nuriel Tobias ] RE:"Queston regarding"Moon At The Window" [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Today's Library Links: April 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] i love this list/ off topic ["Leslie Neumann" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:31:27 +0100 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Diana Krall Check out Diana Krall on Launch Music Videos talking about her new album including Black Crow at http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/default.asp?artistID=1014678 Go to 'Girl in the Other Room' and click on watch. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:27:10 +0300 From: "G'n H" Subject: Another Case of You Here's a clip of a Jane Monheit's version, Richard Bona is playing the guitar and the bass. http://ubl.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,1125594,00.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:25:32 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni I don't know. Say they do her first album. Joni Mitchell - Naked. I would have to wonder if people would by it for the wrong reasons. K Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >"Dog Eat Dog- Naked": sweetened demos of every song. > >Sure, Muller said this long ago but now that the Beatles have done it, Joni >can cash in on the latest marketing craze to rise from the cesspool. > >Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:40:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni **I don't know. Say they do her first album. Joni Mitchell - Naked. I would have to wonder if people would by it for the wrong reasons.** LOL Ken! Except for the fact that she's already been there, done that, right? In regards to DED & CMIARS, Joni's really painted herself in a corner. She has given the impression that she was the guiding hand behind all of this glossy/techno production, although she has hinted that she wasn't and said that sometimes she doesn't think of them as 'her' projects. It would almost seem a contradiction for her to go back and do it "right". We all know about the Beatles-Phil Spector thing, so it was logical for a re-release from the remaining band members, but with Joni it would be a different thing. Besides, the skeletal structures of most of the songs on these 2 records are pretty weak, and in some cases the studio bells and whistles actually enhance the weakness of the song itself. Besides, she blew her chance by throwing the Geffen Box in the marketplace last year. I say - let those 2 stand as is. She's diluted her catalogue enough with BSN & T'log as it is. Bob NP: Aerosmith, "Sweet Emotion" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:10:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Case of You Thanks Grace...I'll see your "Case Of You" and raise you one: http://www.vineyardsound.org/ (Go to the bottom - click on "albums". Select: Live In Concert: 2002 Kick back and enjoy - this is Smurf's favorite group to unwind with when he goes to his Martha's Vineyard retreat and chills with JT & Billy Joel. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:10:10 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Instant Bliss This is interesting! Thanks for sharing it with us, Nuriel. Sounds yummy, and I think it should be added to the JMDL lyric glossary page......Les? Nuriel wrote: <> Mia _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:41:47 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Woman of Heart and Mind (no PC, hooray) <> A part two would be lovely! However, I have to admit, given the time restraints on the film, I'm glad the producers put more emphasis on the pre-Blue Joni. For me, this film is more about, who is Joni, what has shaped her, and how has she arrived? If the film was just about her accomplishments only, well then, yes the producers have failed miserably. After Blue, Joni's career could be followed more closely as she was famous and already in the public eye. But the pre-Blue period has always been somewhat of a mystery to me. It almost has a magical, fairy-tale like quality. I want to know what makes Joni tick, and WOHAM has certainly revealed this for me. Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:52:18 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Question regarding "Moon at the Window" Does anyone know the meaning behind the line: "rattle, rattle, rattle, In the spoon and the glass" from Moon at the Window? Maybe I'm just a big dunce. I picture someone with a headache from all the miseries of love stirring some sort of medicine concoction in a glass. LOL! Thanks, Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: "Old Father Time"? Could someone please explain to me what does the expression "old father time" mean? "May old father time Never be unkind" (My Best To You) Thanks and Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:08:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U Hey Bob - does this include Travelogue and Chalkmark? heeheeheehee. Listening to Sweet 16 Vol 1 again - truly a GREAT album - The Joni tribute imo. peace, david PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Old Father Time"? --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Could someone please explain to me what does the > expression "old father time" mean? > > "May old father time > Never be unkind" > (My Best To You) > Father Time is the personification of time as an old man. You often see him around New Year's, where he is the old man about to leave, while the new year "baby" is ushered in. He is linked to Cronus, the Titan, and to the grim reaper, death. If Father Time is unkind to you, it means you age un-gracefully. The wish that "old father time never be unkind" is a wish that you will age gracefully and without troubles. See here: http://www.mythology.com/cronus.html - this one also links Cronus (or Chronus) to the crow (there's a crow flying, black and ragged)... and just for laughs, because there is a website for everything, http://www.fathertimes.net/favorites.htm ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:34:53 -0700 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Joni mention in Vancouver Sun I know the recent Rolling Stone list has been almost talked to death here, but this from today's Vancouver Sun: "Women under-played in music list" Rolling Stone magazine's top 50 list of the greatest artists of all time is almost entirely male. Compiling a Top 50 list of the greatest artists of all time is a thankless task and sure to invite controversy, which is precisely the reason for releasing one. In honour of the 50th anniversary of rock and roll, Rolling Stone magazine released such a list this week, in the first of three commemorative issues planned for 2004. More than 50 recording artists, critics and industry types (including Quentin Tarantino and Neil Diamond) were asked to contribute to the list, which includes many of the classics you'd expect, such as The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley and the Rolling Stones. The list has the boomer demographics fingerprints all over it, since the majority of the artists are long out of circulation. For example, an argument could easily be made for the hugely influential English band Radiohead to have earned a spot on the list. The real surprise of the list isn't so much who's there, as who isn't- the women. Madonna, Janis Joplin, Patti Smith and Aretha Franklin are the only women to make the cut. Unbelievably, Joni Mitchell is nowhere to be found, an artist who's not only relentlessly creative but whose influence is felt in the far corners of music to this day. Since everybody will soon be slinging arrows at this nearly pointless exercise, let us add an addendum of our own to the list. We attempt to correct the oversight of several talented female artists, some of whom embody the spirit of rock 'n' roll even if they couldn't be classified as rock stars. Here are some women whose contributions were ignored by Rolling Stone: Joni Mitchell Tina Turner The Supremes Lucinda Williams Carole King Annie Lennox Billie Holiday The Ronettes Patsy Cline Dusty Springfield Chrissie Hynde Nina Simone Blondie Etta James. Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:24:41 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: Joni mention in Vancouver Sun From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Joni mention in Vancouver Sun > I know the recent Rolling Stone list has been almost talked to death here, but > this from today's Vancouver Sun: > Blondie Oh dear, a journo ought to know better! Deborah Harry will not be pleased.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:24:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Question regarding "Moon at the Window" **Does anyone know the meaning behind the line: "rattle, rattle, rattle, In the spoon and the glass" from Moon at the Window?** Well, I don't attest to 'knowing', but I'll certainly take a stab at it...it's actually a pretty nice combination of lines: "I wish her heart I know these battles Deep in the dark When the spooks of memories rattle Ghosts of the future Phantoms of the past Rattle rattle rattle In the spoon and the glass" I think first & foremost the rattling is in reference to the "spooks, ghosts, and phantoms", like Marley's ghost in A Christmas Carol rattling his chains. After all, the first rattle is in that 4th line. She's talking about the ghosts of old romances, no? Apparantly she's also saying that one way of dealing with those ghosts & phantoms is with medicines, or drinking, or other 'concoctions', as you say. She says "I know these battles, deep in the dark", which to me is addressing the way a person has to come to terms with and deal with their bad memories, the "dark" meaning the inside of one's mind. Just some thoughts...I don't know if that helps or just muddies the water, Mia. Maybe I'm a dunce too! Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Pills & Soap" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:26:01 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: speaking of "me toos." Hey, You know, I always enjoy it when someone says "me too." Usually the lister says a little more too. . . and EVEN IF they don't, it is alwys fine by me. . . From somebody who doesn't care for that "me too" rule. Marianne >Deb writes: >>I remember finding the actual prose unbearably pretentious and "look at >>me." I've always liked more unassuming prose. A roadside attraction himself writes: >A big ME TOO for this, Deb. I did enjoy "Jitterbug Perfume" and maybe one >other book of his whose title I can't remember, and I really tried to like >him with each book I attempted to read but . . . zzzzzzzzzz. I think I >pitched "Another Roadside Attraction" myself! _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Hitler In the lyric glossary i saw that the project needs help regarding the word "Hitler". I would like to contribute then, if i may. Do you know what killed Hitler? The gas bill. Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:28:17 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >**I don't know. Say they do her first album. Joni Mitchell - Naked. >I would have to wonder if people would by it for the wrong reasons.** > >LOL Ken! Except for the fact that she's already been there, done that, right? > Yes but tastfully IMHO. Joni Mitchell - Naked sounds like a Penthouse Layout. . >In regards to DED & CMIARS, Joni's really painted herself in a corner. She >has given the impression that she was the guiding hand behind all of this >glossy/techno production, although she has hinted that she wasn't and said that >sometimes she doesn't think of them as 'her' projects. It would almost seem a >contradiction for her to go back and do it "right". > It might be interesting to hear what she would do but it might also turn out to be a mess. > >We all know about the Beatles-Phil Spector thing, so it was logical for a >re-release from the remaining band members, but with Joni it would be a different >thing. Besides, the skeletal structures of most of the songs on these 2 >records are pretty weak, and in some cases the studio bells and whistles actually >enhance the weakness of the song itself. > >Besides, she blew her chance by throwing the Geffen Box in the marketplace >last year. I say - let those 2 stand as is. She's diluted her catalogue enough >with BSN & T'log as it is. > >Bob > As far as the Geffen Box Set maybe she had no choice. Geffen always claimed she never made money with some of those albums and if they gave her large advances she could end up owing them money. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:32:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni **As far as the Geffen Box Set maybe she had no choice. I dunno about that...if I recall the liner notes correctly this was pretty much a project of her choice and she was trying to 'rescue' the recordings. Maybe somebody who has it can share her exact words (I sold mine after I dubbed the bonus tracks). Bob NP: Uli Scherbel, "Beide Seiten" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Michael - a man or a child? I often read that Michael from mountains is the man that the king from "I had a king" couldn't and never wouldn't be. I always thought (and still do) that Michael is a child. I realy can't explain why, but i always had this image of a little sunshine boy who was the only one that could put a smile on Joni's face, even on a rainy day."Wakes you up with sweets", "Needs you to care" the "Mothers" lyric, "A stick that he found", and the "someday i will know you very well" (and more) - it all seems as if she's painting an image of a child, more than of a man. Am i the only one who feels this way? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:51:20 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Next marketing gimmick for Joni I'm just speaking from stuff I've previously read. I never owned the Geffen Box Set so I didn't see the liner notes. K SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **As far as the Geffen Box Set maybe she had no choice. > > > > I dunno about that...if I recall the liner notes correctly this was > pretty much a project of her choice and she was trying to 'rescue' the > recordings. Maybe somebody who has it can share her exact words (I > sold mine after I dubbed the bonus tracks). > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Uli Scherbel, "Beide Seiten" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: re: Nuriel, male or... Marianne, (I nearly had a heartattack when i opened my mail and saw your e-mail...) I think you thought i'm a woman cause my name is close to the name muriel. But no, i'm a man. (35 years old). I'm from Israel, and not too proud about it these days. Nuriel ("fire") Angel of hailstorms in Jewish legend. Moses encountered Nuriel in the 2nd Heaven When he issues from the side of Hesed (kindness), Nuriel manifests in the form of an eagle, an eagle that, when issuing from the side of Geburiah (force), is Uriel. In The Book of Protection, Nuriel is characterized as a "spellbinding power" and is grouped with Michael, Shamshiel, Seraphiel, and other great angels. According to The Zohar I Nurielis governs Virgo. He is 300 parasangs tall and has a retinue of 50 myraids of angels "all fashioned out of water and fire." The height of Nuriel is exceeded only by the erelim; by the watchers; by Af and Hemah; and of course by Metatron, who is the tallest hierarch in heaven--excepting, perhaps, Hadraniel and Anafiel. In gnostic lore, Nuriel is one of seven subordinates to Jehuel, prince of fire. [Rf. King, The Gnostics and Their Remains, p. 15; Ginzberg, The Legends of the Jews II, 306 and V, 428.] As a charm for warding off evil, Nuriel is also effective. His name is found engraved on oriental amulets, as noted by Schrine, Hebrew Amulets. Now you tell me, my dear, why do i seem different?:) Is it my broken english?:) (You're all welcomed to share you're thoughts on the subject "Nuriel - the different", but try not to hurt me too much) Love, What's my name again? Marianne Rizzo wrote: Nuriel Tobias, Excuse me Nuriel, YOur name sounds to me as if you're female but someone told me that they think you are male. . So are you male, female or what? Also, I forgot where you are from? No disrespect intended. . .you seem quite different too. : ~ ) Marianne ps. different is good in my book. . . Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Good food at the fest So i hear that there's gonne be good food at the fest. Beside eachother (and i'm sure you're all tasty) - what are you going to eat? Nuriel (Eating himself for being unable to be there with you all) Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Good food at the fest - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > So i hear that there's gonne be good food at the fest. Beside > eachother (and i'm sure you're all tasty) - what are you going to > eat? dang!!!! I may have to make it up after all, $$ be damned. :P em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:28:32 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Nuriel, male or... dear nuriel: i'm posting, below, what i think was the first post you (or someone named ada wittenberger, but signing herself nuriel) sent to the list. it was one of the most provocative posts i've seen on list, because i know 4ad's music, and the label's releases were deeply important to me for many years. and i really really couldn't see what 'nuriel' was talking about. do you have anything to tell me (us) about the post below? i'd truly love to hear. and i think it does speak to why some of us have been confused about whether you're a woman or not... >I think you thought i'm a woman cause my name is close to the name > >Now you tell me, my dear, why do i seem different?:) Is it my >broken english?:) nuriel's first post to jmdl... *** Hi everyone. My name is nuriel. I was born in nazareth and I still live in north israel. What Im about to tell you may seem as a madmans letter. Most of the times I told this to anyone I was treated as a madman. Im sure most of you would feel the same  but Ive got nothing to loose. Id like to say that everything I'm about to tell you is true. Youre free to believe it or not. Theres a music company in london named 4ad. 4ad is an alternativ music group. The first time I've ever listened to a 4ad artist was in the late 80s. At the summer of 89 I felt an urge to send my music to 4ad. I couldve composed some songs  but Ive chosen not to. I asked 3 friends to meet me at a recording-basement. We played a jam that was recorded on a broken tape. I was singing and my friends were playing guitar, bass , keyboards and drums. All songs were improvised. We recorded 6 songs. It lasted an hour. 2 days later I mailed the tape to 4ad. It was called "highland" and I named our band "riss  which means in hebrew an eye-lash A month later I got a call from the manager of 4ad. His name is ivo watts-russel. He told me that "highland" was the strangest thing he has ever listened to. He couldnt believe that anyone could improvise such a thing. He said that it was a revelation and said that he thinks Im the messiah. I dont think that Im the messiah and I never will. (please go on reading  I promise you that youll be amazed) ivo confused me. He asked me where did I get the idea of improvising music. I told him that by listening to 4ad artists d e b u t albums Ive noticed that they were all very home-made. Ivo said that its true, but added that none of them were an improvisation, and insisted on a better answer. Our conversation became very open and free. I had to tell him that 4ad artists debut albums always reminded me of something. I told him that they all had the same format of jonis debut Ivo words were yes  jonis debut is what started 4ads tradition. 4ad is the temple of her He added we always thought that our lilyth will last forever  till you came along  And hung up the phone. Then new albums were released on 4ad. Photos of me were on every cover. My name was mentioned on every song. Everything was about me and highland. Ivo and 4ad were celebrating the come of the child. Then night ride home" was released. I instantly understood that joni has listened to "highland" too and was a part of the "celebration" I knew I had to talk to ivo again  but first I had to understand what has happened at the "lilyth temple" before my "revelation". I searched for all the albums on 4ad that came out before 90. You dont have to be a genius and you dont have to be very much inlightened to notice That the albums and the artists that ivo personally chose to release were all about her. The songs  the covers  everything was about joni. I called him again. The moment he picked up the phone I asked him is joni aware of this, mister? Ivo laughed and said no, you fool  shes B E H I N D this!!! I asked him are you her representative? He laughed again and said my relationship with joni is a private matter!!! Then he hung up the phone. That was too much for me. I had a breakdown and was taken to an asylum. I was out of there after a month. A new 4ad album was released. It was a band named "his name is alive" and the album was named "mouth by mouth" A photo of me was on the front cover, and my closest friends were amazed. But what amazed me was that jonis voice was recorded on it. A conversation she had with some woman. At this point I'd like to stop. You must understand that what you've just read is a little piece of the information I have. Many of the things I wrote here may seem crazy or at best needing more explanation. I could tell you everything step by step and explain everything  but I know that only few of you will be interested in this case And believe me folks  youve heard nothing yet. For those of you who need to know more  Im willing to tell you all the details. Its impossible to do so on one letter  and thats why I stopped. For those of you who found this a madmans words  I hope you had fun. Yours, nuriel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Nuriel, male or... Thank you for reminding me of the darkest hour in my life, Patrick. How very kind and thoughtful of you. After i read your post i tried to sleep, but all that nightmare came back to me, and so, with barely opened eyes, i'm writing this. Les - i would thank you very much if you could delete my first post to the JMDL, i'm so tired of being hunted by it. Love, Nuri patrick leader wrote: dear nuriel: i'm posting, below, what i think was the first post you (or someone named ada wittenberger, but signing herself nuriel) sent to the list. it was one of the most provocative posts i've seen on list, because i know 4ad's music, and the label's releases were deeply important to me for many years. and i really really couldn't see what 'nuriel' was talking about. do you have anything to tell me (us) about the post below? i'd truly love to hear. and i think it does speak to why some of us have been confused about whether you're a woman or not... >I think you thought i'm a woman cause my name is close to the name > >Now you tell me, my dear, why do i seem different?:) Is it my >broken english?:) nuriel's first post to jmdl... *** Hi everyone. My name is nuriel. I was born in nazareth and I still live in north israel. What Im about to tell you may seem as a madmans letter. Most of the times I told this to anyone I was treated as a madman. Im sure most of you would feel the same  but Ive got nothing to loose. Id like to say that everything I'm about to tell you is true. Youre free to believe it or not. Theres a music company in london named 4ad. 4ad is an alternativ music group. The first time I've ever listened to a 4ad artist was in the late 80s. At the summer of 89 I felt an urge to send my music to 4ad. I couldve composed some songs  but Ive chosen not to. I asked 3 friends to meet me at a recording-basement. We played a jam that was recorded on a broken tape. I was singing and my friends were playing guitar, bass , keyboards and drums. All songs were improvised. We recorded 6 songs. It lasted an hour. 2 days later I mailed the tape to 4ad. It was called "highland" and I named our band "riss  which means in hebrew an eye-lash A month later I got a call from the manager of 4ad. His name is ivo watts-russel. He told me that "highland" was the strangest thing he has ever listened to. He couldnt believe that anyone could improvise such a thing. He said that it was a revelation and said that he thinks Im the messiah. I dont think that Im the messiah and I never will. (please go on reading  I promise you that youll be amazed) ivo confused me. He asked me where did I get the idea of improvising music. I told him that by listening to 4ad artists d e b u t albums Ive noticed that they were all very home-made. Ivo said that its true, but added that none of them were an improvisation, and insisted on a better answer. Our conversation became very open and free. I had to tell him that 4ad artists debut albums always reminded me of something. I told him that they all had the same format of jonis debut Ivo words were yes  jonis debut is what started 4ads tradition. 4ad is the temple of her He added we always thought that our lilyth will last forever  till you came along  And hung up the phone. Then new albums were released on 4ad. Photos of me were on every cover. My name was mentioned on every song. Everything was about me and highland. Ivo and 4ad were celebrating the come of the child. Then night ride home" was released. I instantly understood that joni has listened to "highland" too and was a part of the "celebration" I knew I had to talk to ivo again  but first I had to understand what has happened at the "lilyth temple" before my "revelation". I searched for all the albums on 4ad that came out before 90. You dont have to be a genius and you dont have to be very much inlightened to notice That the albums and the artists that ivo personally chose to release were all about her. The songs  the covers  everything was about joni. I called him again. The moment he picked up the phone I asked him is joni aware of this, mister? Ivo laughed and said no, you fool  shes B E H I N D this!!! I asked him are you her representative? He laughed again and said my relationship with joni is a private matter!!! Then he hung up the phone. That was too much for me. I had a breakdown and was taken to an asylum. I was out of there after a month. A new 4ad album was released. It was a band named "his name is alive" and the album was named "mouth by mouth" A photo of me was on the front cover, and my closest friends were amazed. But what amazed me was that jonis voice was recorded on it. A conversation she had with some woman. At this point I'd like to stop. You must understand that what you've just read is a little piece of the information I have. Many of the things I wrote here may seem crazy or at best needing more explanation. I could tell you everything step by step and explain everything  but I know that only few of you will be interested in this case And believe me folks  youve heard nothing yet. For those of you who need to know more  Im willing to tell you all the details. Its impossible to do so on one letter  and thats why I stopped. For those of you who found this a madmans words  I hope you had fun. Yours, nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:19:16 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE:"Queston regarding"Moon At The Window" Mia wrote: Does anyone know the meaning behind the line: "rattle, rattle, rattle, In the spoon and the glass" from Moon at the Window? Maybe I'm just a big dunce. I picture someone with a headache from all the miseries of love stirring some sort of medicine concoction in a glass. LOL! Thanks, Mia I always thought she was referring to the spoon in one of those dark cocaine bottles that the top had a spoon on. During her coke days I'm sure she would stir up old memories of the past, and you don't stop until the bottles empty. It does have a certain rattle as you scrape the sides to get a bigger spoon full. As for "notches liberation doll" she feels he's referencing her past affairs as Rolling Stone pegged her to sleeping with everyone in the business. That she is so liberated she keeps making notches of each man she slept with. To end with: Bush Co. is nothing but absolute greed and stupidity with the guise of a right wing agenda, what assholes the whole pack are. They should be tried for war crimes. I think they have put us much further into harms way by attacking in Iraq..They are going to slam free choice behind us just as professed by Joni some years ago. Peace, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:01:27 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 18 On April 18 the following article was published: 2000: "Emotional Depth in Brilliant Arrangements" - Heaven (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=505 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:23:41 -0700 From: "Leslie Neumann" Subject: i love this list/ off topic i do. i really do. everytime i read it, i see alot of thought provoking people whom i can relate to in artistic and philosophic matters. folks are relaxed, freer to speak their minds openly. and happily, not snapping and snipeing back and forth at each other about every idiosyncracy ( every particle of difference...) Coexistance lives inside here, despite the outer world's current ride in a handbasket. the overwhelming angst against Dubya reassures me that there's still a good number of educated American's out there with a conscience and a vision of what ought to be, and damn ready to do something about it. proof positive that certain music does elevate us, inspire us, and compell us to be a part of something larger than ourselves. back to the garden. ciao, ~Leslie _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #108 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)