From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #104 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 104 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- anti-war from the very begining [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni's fingers (By Way of Sorrow - Julie Miller) [Em ] Re: Joni's fingers (By Way of Sorrow - Julie Miller) [Lori Fye ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: anti-war from the very beginning [Jerry Notaro ] Joni the observer! ["amelio747" ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [Em ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: anti-war from the very begining ["anon anon" ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [Lori Fye ] Re: anti-war from the very beginning ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [Catherine McKay ] sources ["Janine Sherman" ] in your dream? [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarded" list [Lori Fye] Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list [Catherin] Re: anti-war from the very begining [kate@katebennett.com] Today's Library Links: April 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: anti-war from the very begining You don't have to wait till Woodstock to hear the anti-war voice. It can be found even in Joni's first album, and it's first song "I had a king": Ladies in gingham still blush While he sings them of wars and wine But I in my leather and lace I can never become that kind Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's fingers (By Way of Sorrow - Julie Miller) thanks for posting the link to that article! So, a request: can anyone show me where I might see some of JM's visual art on the web?? Am hungry to see this stuff. I could start google-ing around I suppose, but if someone knows right off hand where some can be found that would be easiest. BTW to me even JM's music is "visual art" in a way..like Neil Young with that line in Cinammon Girl "a dreamer of pictures, I run in the night"...anyway, the best music to me, gives you "visuals". But I would love to see what JM puts on a 2-d surface. All I've seen are the album cover art pieces. thanks! Em ps where's Lori today??huh?? - --- OzWoman321@aol.com wrote: > Hello, All - > > Nuriel... and then Lori... posted: > > > >And as for the "fingers" part of the subject - could someone > please > > explain > > >to me how on earth can Joni paint so much, but claim she can't > play? > > > > Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except > for > > perhaps > > herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to > paint! > > Paint > > on, Joan. > > When I was doing research for trivia tidbits to sprinkle throughout > our Joni > Birthday Concert this past November, I came across the following > quote from > Joni which seems to address this issue: > > "I sing my sorrow, I paint my joy"... > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/Folio/Folio.html > > > Enough said... :-) > > Susan > http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com > http://www.horseofadifferentcolorbooking.com > > > "I'm the kid who has this habit of dreaming > Sometimes gets me in trouble too > But the truth is I could no more stop dreaming > Than I could make them all come true..." ~ Buddy Mondlock ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:55:56 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Almost Famous, but VERY wrong Actually, yes. The temporal incongruity of "Blue" in the scene was forewarned to the list prior to the actual theatrical release of "Almost Famous." I'd seen an advance screening and knew that Joniphiles would catch that one. Upon subsequent review, though I've come to accept the scene as a less literal but more achronistic metaphor to illustrate young William's musical awakening, precipitated by his sister's departure and inheritance of her record collection. Perhaps a keener eye than mine might find another example of a misplaced album that would not be present in that collection. Try to think of it as the flipping of calendar pages. Maybe I'm being charitable but Cameron Crowe's stock as a Joni Mitchell fan and supporter is pre-eminent. CC (no, does not stand for Cameron Crowe) "A celluloid rider comes to town. Cinematic lovers sway." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:32:07 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni's fingers (By Way of Sorrow - Julie Miller) Responding backwards to Em: > ps where's Lori today??huh?? I'm up to my earlobes in actual work today, believe it or not! Am taking my lunch break now, though. > But I would love to see what JM puts on a 2-d surface. All I've seen > are the album cover art pieces. There are some JM art-related videos about ... "Painting With Words And Music" is one, and you know there may be more. : ) I have a bunch of JM videos that I've loaned to a couple of JMDLers, and I'll be glad to send them to you if you'd like to copy them too. (I would copy them for you, but I don't have two VCRs.) > So, a request: can anyone show me where I might see some of JM's visual > art on the web?? Am hungry to see this stuff. I could start google-ing > around I suppose, but if someone knows right off hand where some can be > found that would be easiest. Check these out, courtesy of Ken Slarty: http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/art/ You may also want to download this screensaver, which has more images: http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/JoniArtScreenSaver.exe Lori, deciding between cucumbers and beef jerky ... hmm ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:38:45 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Yes and we never would have had PWWAM which is really enjoyable to watch. Love some of those versions! NP: Political Science - Randy Newman * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers > Jerry wrote: > > > And we almost lost her before they came up with the VG-8. Though most of us > > were less than thrilled with the results. We did get to hear her perform > > that much longer. > > Quite true! Had it not been for the VG-8, I probably wouldn't have had the > pleasure of seeing Joni in New Orleans in 1995, or at Yasgur's Farm in 1998! > > My only "complaint" about the VG-8 is that I don't care for it on Taming The > Tiger. Otherwise, whatever makes it easier for Joni to play is fine by me, > even if I don't think she plans to play for *us* in the future. > > > As Simon sez: That's all, folks! > > Are you conferring with Simon on the sly, Jerry? And does Simon know something > he's not telling the rest of us? > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:43:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining But there's nothing anti-war about that; it's merely a reference to Chuck Mitchell trying to woo girls at his concerts with his classic folk ballads. What in those lyrics gives you an impression of her taking an anti-war stance? An anti-CHUCK stance to be sure! Bob NP: The Stones, "Jumping Jack Flash" from "get yer ya-ya's out" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:51:12 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's art Em, You can also see what's posted on JM.com: http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#TheGalleries Unfortunately the best one is Raf's "Diary Of A Decade" and that is currently a dead link. But you should be able to get a pretty good sampling regardless. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's art Thanks Bob. And also thanks Lori and Jamie too, for trying to hook me up. Couldn't find the diary tho. Will look more at all this stuff when I get home. Thx! :D Em - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Em, > > You can also see what's posted on JM.com: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#TheGalleries > > Unfortunately the best one is Raf's "Diary Of A Decade" and > that is currently a dead link. > > But you should be able to get a pretty good sampling regardless. > > Bob ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining Bob, Your question answers itself. The fact that he sings songs about war - not about love, nature, and peace - trying to woo girls, is what she finds revolting. But i guess it's a mix between anti-war and anti-chuck, and we're both right on the money this time. Love, Nuriel SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: While he sings them of wars and wine > But there's nothing anti-war about that; it's merely a reference to Chuck Mitchell trying to woo girls at his concerts with his classic folk ballads. What in those lyrics gives you an impression of her taking an anti-war stance? An anti-CHUCK stance to be sure! Bob NP: The Stones, "Jumping Jack Flash" from "get yer ya-ya's out" Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:13:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: anti-war from the very beginning > Bob, > > Your question answers itself. The fact that he sings songs about war - not > about love, nature, and peace - trying to woo girls, is what she finds > revolting. But i guess it's a mix between anti-war and anti-chuck, and we're > both right on the money this time. I'd have to agree with Bob on this one: I had a king dressed in drip-dry and paisley Lately he's taken to saying I'm crazy and blind He lives in another time Ladies in gingham still blush While he sings them of wars and wine But I in my leather and lace I can never become that kind Doesn't seem to have anything to do with Joni being anti war, but her being far beyond blushing in gingham anymore. She's already too experienced, "leather and lace," to fall for his songs of yore. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:17:31 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Joni the observer! Joni's songs are like paintings as she's said herself...and aren't paintings observations? Ok so they can be more than just observations and take on new meaning (s) like a photo can...well ok so her songs tell a story often and do have a message(s) but what I'm trying to say is that a lot of stuff she mentions is like the landscape...like in a book or a movie... 'Incidentals' (ouw headache). One of the reasons I like her music so much is because it's so detailed (instrumentally and lyrically), and in my opinion no one does it better than she does! NP: My Life Is Good - Randy Newman * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining I guess I took this to mean she, a leather and lace type, can never become a blushing gingham wearing lady. hmm.... Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > You don't have to wait till Woodstock to hear the anti-war voice. It > can be found even in Joni's first album, and it's first song "I had a > king": > > > > Ladies in gingham still blush > While he sings them of wars and wine > But I in my leather and lace > I can never become that kind > > > > > Love, > > Nuriel > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining Or that she will never be like him, dress herself and her songs in "uniformes" and sing war songs...but both are true, Em. Love, Nuriel Em wrote: I guess I took this to mean she, a leather and lace type, can never become a blushing gingham wearing lady. hmm.... Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > You don't have to wait till Woodstock to hear the anti-war voice. It > can be found even in Joni's first album, and it's first song "I had a > king": > > > > Ladies in gingham still blush > While he sings them of wars and wine > But I in my leather and lace > I can never become that kind > > > > > Love, > > Nuriel > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:16:03 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining That's cool by me - I just think she used the word "war" to get an alliterative effect, but then again Joni chooses her words wisely for the most part, particularly so in this song. I mean..think about it. This would be the first song that most people would hear from her, since it was song 1, side 1. She would have come up with sequencing on her own. I'm sure she crafted IHAK with great care. Bob NP: The Stones, "If You Need Me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:41:52 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: anti-war from the very begining Don't forget "The Fiddle and drum" either...That song is extroadinarily timely and relevent these days... >From: Nuriel Tobias >Reply-To: Nuriel Tobias >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: anti-war from the very begining >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT) > >You don't have to wait till Woodstock to hear the anti-war voice. It can be >found even in Joni's first album, and it's first song "I had a king": > > > >Ladies in gingham still blush >While he sings them of wars and wine >But I in my leather and lace >I can never become that kind > > > > >Love, > >Nuriel >Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? 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The "King" is pretty retrograde in his sexual politics. It's also a way for the speaker (or rather singer) to claim sexual agency. No blushing gingham-clad passive sexuality for her. She's leather and lace (nice coxymoronic combo)and her sexuality can't be reduced to the feminine-stereotyped kind that the King prefers. She can choose to be alternatively aggressive or delicate or both at the same time. It's a rejection of the whole fairy tale script. Quoting Jerry Notaro : > > Bob, > > > > Your question answers itself. The fact that he sings songs about > war - not > > about love, nature, and peace - trying to woo girls, is what she > finds > > revolting. But i guess it's a mix between anti-war and anti-chuck, > and we're > > both right on the money this time. > > I'd have to agree with Bob on this one: > > I had a king dressed in drip-dry and paisley > Lately he's taken to saying I'm crazy and blind > He lives in another time > Ladies in gingham still blush > While he sings them of wars and wine > But I in my leather and lace > I can never become that kind > > Doesn't seem to have anything to do with Joni being anti war, but her > being > far beyond blushing in gingham anymore. She's already too > experienced, > "leather and lace," to fall for his songs of yore. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:01:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: anti-war from the very beginning And too, she had been scammed by Chuck, what with him committing to take both Joni & Kelly/Kilauren, and then telling her after the marriage that he couldn't raise another man's child, so I think that Joni was "hip to his tricks" so to speak, albeit too late for her. Bob NP: Liane Carroll, "There Will Never Be Another You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's fingers (By Way of Sorrow - Julie Miller) Lori sed: > Check these out, courtesy of Ken Slarty: > http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/art/ My god I believe that woman is very nearly free. Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:34:42 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? There is this new commercial I have seen that has this woman's voice singing "I believe in love" anyone know if that is Mitchell - sure sounded like her! s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's art --- Em wrote: > Thanks Bob. And also thanks Lori and Jamie too, for > trying to hook me > up. Couldn't find the diary tho. Will look more at > all this stuff when > I get home. > Thx! > :D > Em > You can still also buy a copy of the catalogue of Joni's art from the Mandel in Saskatoon a few years ago: http://www.mendel.ca/shop/ ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Bob, > > Your question answers itself. The fact that he sings > songs about war - not about love, nature, and peace > - trying to woo girls, is what she finds revolting. > But i guess it's a mix between anti-war and > anti-chuck, and we're both right on the money this > time. > I think it's less a case of Joni's being turned off by his singing of wars and wine, and more a case of her not being the blushing maiden in old-fashioned gingham, but a tough-love chick in leather and lace. But yeah, she was already off Chuck by that time! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:14:46 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? Maybe they should put her in lingerie to counter Dylan being "sick of love" in the Victoria's Secret commercial? Or Maybe it's Maybelline (Honey is that you?) ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne MarcAurele Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:35 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? There is this new commercial I have seen that has this woman's voice singing "I believe in love" anyone know if that is Mitchell - sure sounded like her! s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:20:25 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? Maybe they should put her in lingerie to counter Dylan being "sick of love" in the Victoria's Secret commercial? Or Maybe it's Maybelline (Honey is that you?) ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne MarcAurele Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:35 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? There is this new commercial I have seen that has this woman's voice singing "I believe in love" anyone know if that is Mitchell - sure sounded like her! s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:20:46 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? On second thought, this web page says Joni Mitchell uses Estie Lauder "Silent Red" as her preferred lip gloss. The Revlon Girls are: Revlon: Halle Berry: Revlon "Girlie" Moisturestay Lipcolor Cindy Crawford: "Revlon Red", "Pure Red", Revlon "Sienna" ColorStay Lipstick Salma Hayek: Revlon "Stone" Christina Ricci: Revlon "Nude" matte liquid lip colour Claudia Schiffer: Revlon "Toast of New York" lipstick and ColorStay lip liner in "Nude" I;m not making this up, but maybe they are: http://purpletights.com/diva/celebpicks.htm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne MarcAurele Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:35 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? There is this new commercial I have seen that has this woman's voice singing "I believe in love" anyone know if that is Mitchell - sure sounded like her! s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:24:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: Almost Famous, but VERY wrong --- c Karma wrote: > Actually, yes. The temporal incongruity of "Blue" > in the scene was > forewarned to the list prior to the actual > theatrical release of "Almost > Famous." I'd seen an advance screening and knew > that Joniphiles would catch > that one. Upon subsequent review, though I've come > to accept the scene as a > less literal but more achronistic metaphor to > illustrate young William's > musical awakening, precipitated by his sister's > departure and inheritance of > her record collection. Perhaps a keener eye than > mine might find another > example of a misplaced album that would not be > present in that collection. > > Try to think of it as the flipping of calendar > pages. Maybe I'm being > charitable but Cameron Crowe's stock as a Joni > Mitchell fan and supporter is > pre-eminent. I'm sure I read an interview or article where Crowe said he knew it was out of place (or time) but that he did it deliberately for reasons very much like what you say - to include la creme de la creme of the music of the era. I like your "flipping of calendar pages" analogy. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:34:58 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Em wrote: > But for a guitarist, hmm wouldn't it be more fun to just have 8-10 > diff. guitars standing by, all perfectly tuned in the diff. tunings by > the 2 gentle men? 'Specially if you could afford really delicious > ones... (umm guitars that is) lol... She did this for many years. Maybe not quite that many-but surrounded by several Martins (and no doubt, several guys). The VG-8 solved several problems for her. Acoustic guitars are designed to be tuned to a certain tension, and the necks tend to get unstable and go out of tune when you slack tune them like she did. Also, holding a guitar began to give her back problems. Using the VG-8 allowed her to hook up an extremely lightweight guitar (a Parker Fly) which was only about 3 pounds. The VG-8 is essentially a guitar synthesizer, which takes the output of each separate string and digitizes it, allowing you to assign any pitch to any string. Or any sound treatment, stereo seperation, etc. The output of this setup is digital, not acoustic, which may explain some people's dislike of it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Thanks for the explanation Randy. Now I want to know about that 3 lb guitar! will search for it... Parker "Fly" huh??? gonna check it out... :) Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > lol... > She did this for many years. Maybe not quite that many-but > surrounded by several Martins (and no doubt, several guys). > The VG-8 solved several problems for her. Acoustic guitars > are designed to be tuned to a certain tension, and the necks > tend to get unstable and go out of tune when you slack tune > them like she did. > Also, holding a guitar began to give her back problems. Using the > VG-8 allowed her to hook up an extremely lightweight guitar > (a Parker Fly) which was only about 3 pounds. > The VG-8 is essentially a guitar synthesizer, which takes the > output of each separate string and digitizes it, allowing you to > assign any pitch to any string. Or any sound treatment, > stereo seperation, etc. The output of this setup is digital, > not acoustic, which may explain some people's dislike of it. > RR > ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:36:53 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: sources Clear DayNuriel, I will try to locate my source on David Crosby's comments. I distinctly remember reading them recently (the bitterness and ungrateful bit) but can not recall exactly where. He also makes himself very clear that when the dust settles SHE is the one that will go down as the very best at the craft. Anyone else recall reading (source?) recent comments from him about her ungratefulness and even something about her knowing what he was talking about like they had had a recent tiff? Thanks, Janine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:00:47 -0400 (EDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: in your dream? Hi Marianne. Wow. I'm touched that I actually walked across the landscape of your dream. Wonder who the third person was. hope all is well with you! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:45:30 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarded" list Nuriel shared with us and then wrote: > I don't know what list it is, the google notes confused me, but it's the most > disgusting parallel universe to our beloved JMDL. It's like if WE had to meet > THEM - it would have been the third world war. I dunno. Might be interesting to invite them to Jonifest. ; ) One person does makes some interesting points with this post: > If Joni's music were still as vital as it was back-in-the-day, maybe this > diatribe wouldn't seem so ugly and childish to me. Maybe if she took some of > that vitriol and pent-up-energy and put it towards writing songs rather than > bitter rants her albums would be selling more. > Y'know, from what I understand, The Donnas are selling plenty of records > without showing their tits. Bjork's albums are selling and I can't recall the > last time I saw her grab her crotch. Ani DiFranco's albums are hellasellin', > oh she's got hair extensions, that must be why...NOT! And, uh, did Joni > totally miss the Norah Jones thing altogether? Or did Norah Jones show us her > its and I missed it? > The threat about "I'll never record again because I hate the industry" is one > of the most childish hilarious things I've ever seen...like a little kid > threatening to never eat ever again simply because he doesn't like the > meatloaf his mom cooked that night. Joni, please, GROW UP!!! > Did she totally miss out on the Lilith Fair or something? > -- nickalicious (nza2342...), November 26th, 2002. I still believe Joni's music is as vital as ever it was (and can I say I how much I dislike the phrase "back-in-the-day"? back in WHAT day?). But "nickalicious" may be right about what might result if Joni "took some of that vitriol and pent-up-energy and put it towards writing songs." Then again, perhaps Joni just doesn't feel like writing songs anymore and prefers to paint and play with her grandkids. I don't know how much The Donnas or Bjork are selling, but "nick" is right: Ani continues to sell her stuff like hotcakes on a frigid Sunday morning, AND Ani's stuff is definitely relevant. We do know, though, that Joni is quite aware of and appreciates the talents of Norah Jones. (Personally, I have yet to be blown away by Norah, but I'm always running behind the times when it comes to current music.) As for Lilith Fair, I'm still pissed that Laura Love wasn't included even after she asked to be. But enough of my thoughts -- yours?? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > LOL. > Sorry...you probably never got an e-mail (as in the > first e-mail of what may become a thread) that > starts with a LOL, but since i'm still laughing, i > just had to write it. LOL indeed. This is quite funny. Even when people diss Joni, it can be an education. Hey! at least they've heard of her! This sounds like it could have been written by a 12-year-old with its use of "gay" and "retarded" to describe something the writer doesn't like or agree with. Goodness knows, my kids keep using these words, no matter how many times I beat them and make them go without dinner for it ;-) (but with a sigh attached.) >>joni mitchell has been boring and old forever. she >>was probably boring and old in the '30s or whenever >>woodstock was. she should have just kept making gay >>jazz records with oil paintings on them and shut up >>about it. joni, if you're reading this, i hate you >>and you're retarded. On the other hand, I quite liked this: >>I don't like thinking about my nutty aunt grabbing >>her crotch. >>But do you think about your crotchety aunt grabbing >>your...well, never mind. - -- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 26th, 2002. This sounds like it could have been written by a few people right here on this list! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining ladies in gingham, wars & wine to me was a metaphor to how chuck was old fashioned... wooing the old fashioned girls with old fashioned songs... but joni in her leather & lace was more modern & heading somewhere else... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:02:07 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 14 On April 14 the following articles were published: 1997: "My other mom's an icon" - Time Australia (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=794 2000: "On the Tube" - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Review - Appearance) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=724 2000: "TV News Today" - MSNBC.com (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=498 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #104 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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