From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #103 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 103 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: doon it again! [Em ] Re: The end or to be continued, last interview [Nuriel Tobias ] The end or to be continued? [Jerry Notaro ] That Post [Steven Blue ] Joni singing to soldiers [TinkersOwn@aol.com] Re: Joni singing to soldiers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly [Lori] Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly [Em ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Lori Fye ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The end or to be continued, last interview [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni as Dolores Hope [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Lori Fye ] Re: CROZ [Nuriel Tobias ] Oh no, it's "notches" time again...:) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Almost famous, but VERY wrong [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni's fingers (By Way of Sorrow - Julie Miller) [OzWoman321@aol.com] Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong ["tantra-apso" ] Re: Joni Singing To Soldiers ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni Singing To Soldiers ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Connecting the dots, 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: doon it again! - --- Randy Remote wrote: > My vinyl copy of DJRD (a $5 cutout) is quite nice. But your best bet > is the HDCD remastered CD. I've got the earlier issue before the > HDCD, and it sounds great, too. Thanks Randy. I will see about finding a cd of DJRD. I noticed that my cd of LOTC is a HD remastered and it sounds good. Not only IS it good, but it sounds good too! Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, last interview Randy Remote wrote: "What Joni said in her last interview with Timothy White in Billboard" Oh, do you mean she gave no interviews since then? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:16:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni as Dolores Hope A bit unfair, Randy. Joan has always been a moral, as well as musical, hero of mine, but she was the anti-war artist, not an anti-war artist. She wasn't the standard, but the exception. We have to remember that Joni was a foreigner here, and even native born American were being jailed for expressing their anti-war opinions (including myself in 1968.) I always considered The Fiddle and the Drum to be one of the greatest anti-war songs written, and as relative today as when Joni first recorded it. Jerry > Anti-war artist? Her 60's and 70's albums were conspicuously absent > of comment on the war, with very few exceptions. While Baez was > singing "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?" Joni was singing > about Morgan Town and The Midway. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:18:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: The end or to be continued? And Simon has said that is all, and what Simon sez......... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Blue Subject: That Post Hello everyone To those whom I do not know I say hello, to the old timers I say, hey! Blew off some dust and decided to chime in again thanks to Ashara, and others. OK All here this one goes, please keep most of this close hold, it is meant between all of you and myself, sorry but I have old time values (in some respects)(LOL) This world will not have peace in our lifetime, of this I am convinced. I was asked before I left Albania what I thought, I answered with earnest as I told them, they were not ready to lay down arms and pursue peace. The dark 4;30 AM air remained quiet against the beautiful mountains............................. As I boarded the plane, I turned around and looked at the Police standing there...."You see" I said....................."Not one of you can say that what I see is not the truth,because it is, that is why none of you could answer.............." As I sat in 1st Class by myself, I saw the garbage they called food for the remainder of the class coach passengers.....I could smell eggs, sausage, a basket filled withnhot fresh rolls, butter and marmalade on the cart headed in my direction. As it approached, my eyes could not believe this early morning feast! I could smell as well the local "coal burning Stoves" on an elderly woman who staggered past me earlier. This world is simply not fair, so I walked back and took the elderly woman by the arm and walked her to my plush seat. I handed her my boarding pass, placed a pillow under her feet, and gave her my meal card. I could hear a woman crying, it was the stewardess. She assured me she would pray for world peace. I said nothing, pulled the curtain closed between 1st class and coach, and asked her to simply make the old woman comfortable. At least one (1) person in the Balkans troubled region was better off that day, how do I know that? Because I saw to it personally. I unfortunately cannot speak for the rest of Bosnia, Macedonia, or Albania because I did not personally see ANYONE do ANYTHING to ease the suffering of ANYONE. It is ashamed that the only thanks the old woman could give were tears, silent tears and a look of thanks. She was obviously too tired to even get up and say, Thanks but no thanks, I ate before I left my house! As the Tyrolia aircraft banked above the Balkan mountains, a man pointed to an area he told me held another "Mass Grave". I asked him if he had ever read Plato, he asked why, and I answered him, that in the words of Plato, "Only the Dead Have Seen the Last Of War" I laid my head against the seat and went to sleep. Sometime later a gentle hand touched my face, it was the Stewardess from 1st Class "we will be landing soon. I saw to it the woman, who wanted you to know her name is Nadia received the care and compassion she needed for 1st class. ....................But, in the end when the engines stopped and I saw the old lady exit the staircase to the ground transportation bus, as she smiled at the awaiting bus driver and waived to the stewardess at the top of the stairs, I could only see 1 persons life change, if even for 2;40 minutes of flight, that was it, just one....................... Steven A. Blue US State Department Office of Anti Terrorism Assistance 1155 University Drive Albuquerque, NM 87106 RES: Europe Steven A. Blue Grabenstr #24 23730 Neustadt, Germany (011)-49-4561714925 RES: US Steven A. Blue 2716 Louisiana Blvd NE Albuquerque, NM 87110 (505)-888-8168 CELL: (505)-259-8383 Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:14:40 EDT From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: Joni singing to soldiers Bob wrote: >No, you're right on the money - Joni meant literally that >she performed and sang for soldiers, she said that she >felt led to do that to help them out. Hmmm...my recolection is that, rather than performing shows for soldiers a la Bob Hope, she was simply on the folkie club circuit, one of the clubs being near Ft. Bragg, others near other military bases. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:52:19 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni singing to soldiers From the lips of Siquomb herself: "I was in a different position than most of my friends in that I entertained soldiers in Fort Bragg, I played for the soldiers. So I was in contact with boys coming and going from the war and draft dodgers. So I had a kind of a unique perspective on it and sympathy." Edmonton, 08/05/94 Also, this neat bit of trivia: One regular gig was the army base at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where, among other broadening experiences, she acquired the guitar she was to use onstage until it was stolen from an airport baggage carousel at Maui, Hawaii, in the late '70s. She bought it from a captain who would get drunk and tell her she was "better than Peter, Paul & Mary". (This would have been circa 1966) Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "Right Through You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:33:52 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly I'd say this qualifies as JC!! > OK I'm at my Mom's for Easter family gathering. I go to use Mom's > bathroom. There on the countertop is the back of a business card with > "Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now" written on it in my Mom's neat script. > what the heck??????? > I mean this last week was very Joni-intensive for me but this turning > up in such an odd place totally blew my mind. > I guess it shouldn't have.... Mom listens to community radio too, > probably more than me these days, and turns out there was a song from > that album (don't know which) she liked and so jotted the album name > down. > So actually it wasn't SOOOOOOOOOO odd, but the timing was weird what > with all the Joni-ness of this last week, for me anyway. > Just thought I'd share. > :) > Happy Monday all! Welcome to the world of Joni synchronicity, Em ... you'll find it happens a lot. I'm dying to know what song your mom likes so well! My guess: "Comes Love" but of course it could be anything! If she hasn't already run out to buy BSN, you could make her a very nice gift of it. If you really want to go the extra mile, get her the "hat box" special edition. You can often find it on eBay. Otoh, I just popped onto Amazon.com, and in another bit of synchronicity ... well, check out THIS pairing, Em: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000046S1H/qid=1081783730/sr=8-6/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i6_xgl15/002-4526979-2796859?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 !!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly > Otoh, I just popped onto Amazon.com, and in another bit of > synchronicity ... > well, check out THIS pairing, Em: > lol, I ain't believing it!!!!!!.....one for Mom..one for me! Can't get it right now cuz of the gf's new job thing. We will be in better shape shortly, but til the new job starts paying her (checks coming in) we will be doing belt tightening. But sheesh, maybe in a couple weeks! Looks great! Em ps I didn't mention it on here but the other day I went ahead and splurged and ordered 2 books, one is that early Brit folk music scene book (Jansch etc) someone had mentioned.. and then another music one "8 Miles High"..so that was my "splurging" for a while anyway.... ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:01:47 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Mining through previous, unread posts, I found this from Nuriel: > Why is everybody so sure that her next album is just a matter of time? This > is what i don't understand. As for me - i'm sure she's had enough of it all, > and her last album is very much a closure. Joni said that "Travelogue" will be her last album. I believe her. I certainly don't assume there's going to be a "next" album, or that it's just a matter of time. I think Joni wants to spend the rest of her days enjoying the company of her daughter and her grandchildren and painting. She has always considered herself a painter first. We're lucky she felt the need to do more with her creative genius for the last 30+ years, and that we received the gift of her lyrics and music during that time. I would love for Joni to feel compelled to write and record again, but if she doesn't want to, I respect that. She's given the world PLENTY already, and as people continue to discover her music, we'll be able to discuss it and learn new things about it, ad infinitum. If people aren't aware of Joni's works, then it's for us, her fans, to pass along the magic to them. I think that's the best "thank you" we can give Joni, anyway. > And as for the "fingers" part of the subject - could someone please explain > to me how on earth can Joni paint so much, but claim she can't play? Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except for perhaps herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to paint! Paint on, Joan. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except > for perhaps > herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to > paint! Paint > on, Joan. Art is so weird. A glorious mind--ker. On another list, been mulling over the differences between "you don't choose art, it chooses you" and the thing which I've been saying all year to myself about art and about motorcycling "you own IT, it doesn't own you". And trying to decide which is true. Passion, do you own it? Or does it own you? And if you own "it" does that make it a lesser passion than the all consuming sort? Anyway, just some thoughts... Take it or leave it. One thing I see immediately on this list is I'm not one of the more intellectual ones! lol! to say the least. And I'm enjoying hearing from those who are perhaps one beer closer to a 6 pack. ;) Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers And we almost lost her before they came up with the VG-8. Though most of us were less than thrilled with the results. We did get to hear her perform that much longer. As Simon sez: That's all, folks! Jerry > Mining through previous, unread posts, I found this from Nuriel: > >> Why is everybody so sure that her next album is just a matter of time? This >> is what i don't understand. As for me - i'm sure she's had enough of it all, >> and her last album is very much a closure. > > Joni said that "Travelogue" will be her last album. I believe her. I > certainly > don't assume there's going to be a "next" album, or that it's just a matter of > time. I think Joni wants to spend the rest of her days enjoying the company > of > her daughter and her grandchildren and painting. She has always considered > herself a painter first. We're lucky she felt the need to do more with her > creative genius for the last 30+ years, and that we received the gift of her > lyrics and music during that time. > > I would love for Joni to feel compelled to write and record again, but if she > doesn't want to, I respect that. She's given the world PLENTY already, and as > people continue to discover her music, we'll be able to discuss it and learn > new things about it, ad infinitum. If people aren't aware of Joni's works, > then it's for us, her fans, to pass along the magic to them. I think that's > the best "thank you" we can give Joni, anyway. > >> And as for the "fingers" part of the subject - could someone please explain >> to me how on earth can Joni paint so much, but claim she can't play? > > Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except for perhaps > herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to paint! > Paint > on, Joan. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:52:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni as Dolores Hope Jerry Notaro wrote: > A bit unfair, Randy. Joan has always been a moral, as well as musical, hero > of mine, but she was the anti-war artist, not an anti-war artist. You lost me there > She wasn't > the standard, but the exception. We have to remember that Joni was a > foreigner here, and even native born American were being jailed for > expressing their anti-war opinions (including myself in 1968.) I don't know of any musicians being jailed for expressing themselves. Followed, harrassed, tapped, yes... > I always > considered The Fiddle and the Drum to be one of the greatest anti-war songs > written, and as relative today as when Joni first recorded it. I do too. It's the only anti-war song she did. Others, like Woodstock and California allude to things. She didn't get into broader social statements much until the 80's. She's not the only one. The Grateful Dead, another 60's-70's icon, , also avoided political content. Although they both played in support of important causes-so there is more than one way to skin a cat.... RR ps Pete Townsend once slammed Abbie Hoffman off the stage with his guitar for trying to make a political statement before The Who went on. > > > Jerry > > > Anti-war artist? Her 60's and 70's albums were conspicuously absent > > of comment on the war, with very few exceptions. While Baez was > > singing "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?" Joni was singing > > about Morgan Town and The Midway. > > RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:57:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, last interview Shazam!! It was her last with the late Mr. White. Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Randy Remote wrote: > "What Joni said in her last interview with Timothy White in > Billboard" > > Oh, do you mean she gave no interviews since then? > > Love, > > Nuriel > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:29:41 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Jerry wrote: > And we almost lost her before they came up with the VG-8. Though most of us > were less than thrilled with the results. We did get to hear her perform > that much longer. Quite true! Had it not been for the VG-8, I probably wouldn't have had the pleasure of seeing Joni in New Orleans in 1995, or at Yasgur's Farm in 1998! My only "complaint" about the VG-8 is that I don't care for it on Taming The Tiger. Otherwise, whatever makes it easier for Joni to play is fine by me, even if I don't think she plans to play for *us* in the future. > As Simon sez: That's all, folks! Are you conferring with Simon on the sly, Jerry? And does Simon know something he's not telling the rest of us? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers you guys what the heck is a VG-8? Is it a sort of keyboard? And whats up with her fingers? Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Jerry wrote: > > > And we almost lost her before they came up with the VG-8. Though > most of us > > were less than thrilled with the results. We did get to hear her > perform > > that much longer. > > Quite true! Had it not been for the VG-8, I probably wouldn't have > had the > pleasure of seeing Joni in New Orleans in 1995, or at Yasgur's Farm > in 1998! > > My only "complaint" about the VG-8 is that I don't care for it on > Taming The > Tiger. Otherwise, whatever makes it easier for Joni to play is fine > by me, > even if I don't think she plans to play for *us* in the future. > > > As Simon sez: That's all, folks! > > Are you conferring with Simon on the sly, Jerry? And does Simon know > something > he's not telling the rest of us? > > Lori ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:50:21 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni as Dolores Hope > Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> A bit unfair, Randy. Joan has always been a moral, as well as musical, hero >> of mine, but she was the anti-war artist, not an anti-war artist. > > You lost me there OK. I should have left the caps in. She was THE anti-war artist, not AN anti war-war artist. In other words, it is unfair to judge anyone's activism to Joan's. > >> She wasn't >> the standard, but the exception. We have to remember that Joni was a >> foreigner here, and even native born American were being jailed for >> expressing their anti-war opinions (including myself in 1968.) > > I don't know of any musicians being jailed for expressing themselves. Oh Joan herself and her husband were. As were many others. > Followed, harrassed, tapped, yes... > >> I always >> considered The Fiddle and the Drum to be one of the greatest anti-war songs >> written, and as relative today as when Joni first recorded it. > > I do too. It's the only anti-war song she did. Others, like Woodstock But one great anti-war song better than 99.9% of those writing and performing at the time. And even Woodstock, in its refrain, is certainly lyrically and poetically antiwar. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:52:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers > Jerry wrote: >> As Simon sez: That's all, folks! > > Are you conferring with Simon on the sly, Jerry? And does Simon know > something > he's not telling the rest of us? > > Lori > Nope. I just have a good memory. That is the exact line Simon posted to the list the last time this came up. He doesn't post often, but when he does......... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:12:57 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Em wants to know: > you guys what the heck is a VG-8? Is it a sort of keyboard? There are people here more knowledgable than myself about this (Paz? Chuck? Everyone else? Where are you?), but as I understand it, the VG-8 is a (computer?) device that is able to store different guitar tunings. This allows the guitarist to avoid actually retuning strings between songs. Instead, the preferred tuning can be chosen from those already stored, using a foot pedal, I think. Here's a blurb from the 'net: http://www.vg-8.com/vg-systems/vg-8/ > And whats up with her fingers? I don't know; I missed that part! Are we talking about Joni's post-polio syndrome? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers But for a guitarist, hmm wouldn't it be more fun to just have 8-10 diff. guitars standing by, all perfectly tuned in the diff. tunings by the 2 gentle men? 'Specially if you could afford really delicious ones... (umm guitars that is) :P Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Em wants to know: > > > you guys what the heck is a VG-8? Is it a sort of keyboard? > > There are people here more knowledgable than myself about this (Paz? > Chuck? > Everyone else? Where are you?), but as I understand it, the VG-8 is a > (computer?) device that is able to store different guitar tunings. > This allows > the guitarist to avoid actually retuning strings between songs. > Instead, the > preferred tuning can be chosen from those already stored, using a > foot pedal, I > think. > > Here's a blurb from the 'net: http://www.vg-8.com/vg-systems/vg-8/ > > > And whats up with her fingers? > > I don't know; I missed that part! Are we talking about Joni's > post-polio > syndrome? > > Lori ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Quoting Em : > But for a guitarist, hmm wouldn't it be more fun to just have 8-10 > diff. guitars standing by, all perfectly tuned in the diff. tunings by > the 2 gentle men? 'Specially if you could afford really delicious > ones... (umm guitars that is) > :P > Em Don't know about that Auntie Em, but I sure wish they made VG-8 autoharps in my day! I was forever tuning mine. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:30:29 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Em wrote: > But for a guitarist, hmm wouldn't it be more fun to just have 8-10 > diff. guitars standing by, all perfectly tuned in the diff. tunings by > the 2 gentle men? 'Specially if you could afford really delicious > ones... (umm guitars that is) > :P Well, Paz would prefer 2 gentle women, I'm sure ... (how about Donna and me, Paz?) but I digress. ; ) When I saw Joni in New Orleans, I *think* she was alone on stage. (Although I'd also had probably 8 hurricanes prior to the show, so don't quote me.) Anyway, if she's playing without benefit of an entourage, the VG-8 is be a blessing for her. (I'm trying ever-so-hard not to rhyme VG-8 with "great." Oops, there it is!) Hurricanes aside, I didn't notice the "tinny" sound in New Orleans, nor did I notice it in Bethel (and I was reasonably straight). But it jumps right out of TTT. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:15:21 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: CROZ Clear DayHappy Easter everyone, We all know David is credited with discovering Joni and has made public statements acknowledging her genius, but he has also made recent statements claiming she is ungrateful, angry, and bitter.......... Just returned from San Diego and read in The Weekly in the Music Scene section written by Josh Board: There were 4 fans waiting outside the Performing Arts Center in Escondido waiting to meet him. One was a teenager with a Woodstock album he had signed by a bunch of the performers. David Crosby's bus pulled up at 4:15. He got off a few minutes later, with his long white hair blowing all over. He walked over, spread his arms out and said, " I won't sign autographs for you guys. You're all dealers, and you're going to sell that stuff. I'm not doing it. It's over. Goodbye. " He smiled and raised his arms and started to walk away.Since he recently got busted for having pot and weapons at a hotel, plus he'd had a liver transplant in 1994, I said, "You should worry more about not doing drugs than about people wanting your autograph." He flipped me off and kept walking, wiggling his middle finger behind his back the entire time. All the best, Janine NP: sounds of the seals at LaJolla cove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: CROZ If the man wants to do drugs, it's he's business. (and how can a crossby fan, if indeed he's a fan, give him that advice? If Joni refused to hug you would you tell her "You'd better worry about your smoking problem, lady? I'd just say, "ok, thanks, love you anyway", and leave her be). If he doesn't want to sign his name on a Woodstock album, it's also he's business. I always felt that this group of artists from the 60's would all end up in bitterness. Not all of them, but most of them. They had a dreamy plan to change the world with their art, and when dreams are out - bitternss is in. I don't blame them for that. You don't need to be an artist to be bitter these days when you see the state of things. Must admit i was surprised to hear that David is upset about Joni. I thought they were close friends, and Janine, if you don't mind, could you please tell us more about what has happened between them. Thanks and Love, Nuriel Janine Sherman wrote: Clear DayHappy Easter everyone, We all know David is credited with discovering Joni and has made public statements acknowledging her genius, but he has also made recent statements claiming she is ungrateful, angry, and bitter.......... Just returned from San Diego and read in The Weekly in the Music Scene section written by Josh Board: There were 4 fans waiting outside the Performing Arts Center in Escondido waiting to meet him. One was a teenager with a Woodstock album he had signed by a bunch of the performers. David Crosby's bus pulled up at 4:15. He got off a few minutes later, with his long white hair blowing all over. He walked over, spread his arms out and said, " I won't sign autographs for you guys. You're all dealers, and you're going to sell that stuff. I'm not doing it. It's over. Goodbye. " He smiled and raised his arms and started to walk away.Since he recently got busted for having pot and weapons at a hotel, plus he'd had a liver transplant in 1994, I said, "You should worry more about not doing drugs than about people wanting your autograph." He flipped me off and kept walking, wiggling his middle finger behind his back the entire time. All the best, Janine NP: sounds of the seals at LaJolla cove Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Oh no, it's "notches" time again...:) Just when you thought it was over, another "notches" idea is here for you to drive you insane...:) Doesn't "notches" mean "nights" in Spanish? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:10:02 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Jerry writes: << I sure wish they made VG-8 autoharps in my day! I was forever tuning mine. >> "IN MY DAY" ! ! ! ? ? ? Oh, Jerry! Is your day over? - --Smurf, a whippersnapper to the end ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Almost famous, but VERY wrong It's only now that i got to see 'Almost famous'. Now i know we've talked about it more than once, and maybe this was already mentioned, but has anyone notice the very embarrassing mistake, regarding Joni in that movie? The scene that happenes in 1969, when the boy is checking out the albums his sister left behind her, and he sees "Blue". (Yes, Joni has become a time traveler). As a film that claims to be a tribute to the music scene at that time, i find this mistake to be a very unprofessional one. It would have never happen in a British production - right, Colin?:) Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:39:25 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's fingers (By Way of Sorrow - Julie Miller) Hello, All - Nuriel... and then Lori... posted: > >And as for the "fingers" part of the subject - could someone please > explain > >to me how on earth can Joni paint so much, but claim she can't play? > > Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except for > perhaps > herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to paint! > Paint > on, Joan. When I was doing research for trivia tidbits to sprinkle throughout our Joni Birthday Concert this past November, I came across the following quote from Joni which seems to address this issue: "I sing my sorrow, I paint my joy"... http://www.jonimitchell.com/Folio/Folio.html Enough said... :-) Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com http://www.horseofadifferentcolorbooking.com "I'm the kid who has this habit of dreaming Sometimes gets me in trouble too But the truth is I could no more stop dreaming Than I could make them all come true..." ~ Buddy Mondlock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:42:35 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ It would have never happen in a British production - right, Colin?:) I don't know! But Americns make all sorts of mistakes in their films: they always win WW2, they retrieved the Enigma machine, in fact they always save the day! > > Love, > > Nuriel > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:34:05 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni Singing To Soldiers Yes, Nuriel, I know the video you are describing. The way she tells the story, it nearly sounds like she was doing "a show for soldiers". I think she was overstating a bit there. I don't think she's done a show for the US war effort. Ever! She did concerts in towns that had a military base, of course and I think that's what she meant. She performed concerts in a town where soldiers were temporarily housed on their way out or on their way back from our mistake in Vietnam. All the best, Jim Nuriel Tobias asked, >And before "The beat of black wings" video, she says something like "Back then i used to play and sing to soldiers that were on their way to the war or coming back from the war". So, it got me thinking that at that time she was giving shows for soldiers, unless it was a one time show (a strange fact in itslef) or that she only meant that in her heart she knew that the young audience folks were about to go to the war, or those who came back from it.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:22:27 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Singing To Soldiers Where is Fort Bragg anyway, Alabama? I don't see it listed on the Appearances list http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html Anyway, I remember seeing the name "Wollman Skating Rink" where skaters were circling in vigorous anonymity. What I *don't* remember seeing before was that it was a venue where she performed on "08-14-68". That's 14 August to you, Queen Lucy. BTW, I saw Cheryl Wheeler over the weekend. When I got there it was SRO. Eventually, I got a stool, along the back wall. Out of nowhere, this unassuming woman in jeans and a t-shirt appeared, acoustic guitar already fitted, right in front of me. I immediately thought, "Sharon Buffington". It was Wheeler of course. Anyway, she has a really nice voice and has written some solid songs. There were 200 people there which means it was the perfect venue for a singer-songwriter, in my opinion. Yeah, she'll get my $18 next time too. She don't need "no" stinking lasers. She had very funny material too, delivered exactly as if it came off the top of her head. All the best, Lama np: Anne Sandstrom's "Ordinary Life" (Anne, are you working on new songs?) BTW Bob, I think you're right about "Everything Must Go"- nothing sticks. SCJoniGuy said, >No, you're right on the money - Joni meant literally that she performed and sang for soldiers, she said that she felt led to do that to help them out. I imagine that she probably got a lot of catcalls and that she quickly became disillusioned with that whole scenario.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:58:22 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Connecting the dots, 100% JC Some time in May 67 Joni was at The Other Side in Fayetteville, NC USA, according to Simon. She met that unknown upstart, James Taylor, in March 1969. "Fiddle and the Drum" was on Clouds, released May '69 according to Les. She did it at the Dick Cavett show taping but that was later, on 08-18-69. Lama ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #103 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)