From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #99 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 9 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 099 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrome [Jerry Notaro] Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrome [Em ] Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrom ["tantra-apso"] Re: doon it again! [Lori Fye ] Another Mer Girl [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Another Mer Girl ["tantra-apso" ] Les - it's still not working... [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: doon it again! [Em ] Re: doon it again! (DJRD) ["Lori Fye" ] Jonifest 2004 [AsharaJM@aol.com] Today's Library Links: April 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:48:13 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrome The 4 J's ushered in the era of women refusing to use provocative images of themselves to sell their music (and how the pendulum has swung today!) In fact, I can't think of an uglier picture that that of Joan Baez on the cover of Farewell Angelina. It was the anti image. So it is interesting that both Joni and Judy (for her 40th birthday) did nude covers later on, both though were certainly innocent and artistic, and not the least bit titillating. Jerry NL: Condi, who has been thrown to the wolves..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrome - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > In > fact, I can't think of an uglier picture that that of Joan Baez on > the cover > of Farewell Angelina. It was the anti image. Hi Jerry. Funny, I used to also find that photo quite ugly and sort of disturbing. But now (and for the last several years) I find it quite breathtakingly beautiful. Maybe cuz I get to see her details. I recall a part of some liner notes (I think thats where its from) that Dylan wrote for her and part of it where he's on some train tracks and says "all beauty's ugly" and then there's more. Interesting, your post was. :) Em ps Jerry are you in St Pete??? I see by your email addy.... I'm over in Tampa ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:45:36 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: flick =?ISO-8859-1?B?oE5KQw==?= Yes, there has been disucssion of that film here Em, for obvious reasons. It played our town but I saw the DVD which of course has some cool bonus features. I loved the movie, what an incredible talent pool. And a real mix of humor and sadness too. The same crew also did an uproarious sendoff of community theatre called "Waiting For Guffman", if you've missed it and enjoyed the others this one is a must see. Wha Hoppen? :~) Bob NP: REM, "Country Feedback" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:04:00 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrom Steve Dulson wrote: > Think of the original covers of > Blind Faith and Electric Ladyland. The Blind Faith cover created a firestorm; the original covers were removed from the shelves and replaced with a non-descript version. If you have an original cover LP, you may own something valuable. Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:13:28 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrom > Steve Dulson wrote: > >> Think of the original covers of >> Blind Faith and Electric Ladyland. > > The Blind Faith cover created a firestorm; the original covers were removed > from the shelves and replaced with a non-descript version. If you have an > original cover LP, you may own something valuable. > > Best Regards, > bp > If I remember correctly, it wasn't that the girl was topless as much as she was reported to be 15. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:41:37 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrom Jerry writes: > > The Blind Faith cover created a firestorm; the original covers were removed > > from the shelves and replaced with a non-descript version. If you have an > > original cover LP, you may own something valuable. > > > > Best Regards, > > bp > > > If I remember correctly, it wasn't that the girl was topless as much as she > was reported to be 15. Yep, that was the issue. Can you imagine that cover TODAY? The photgrapher, the record company, and the band would all be drawn and quartered.... bp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:15:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: doon it again! Just letting ya all know I am "experiencing" DJRD again. Yep! Realized that what I thought was side 2 was in reality side 4..remember on double albums how they're faced so sequential sides happen by the next one dropping down from the funky "changer" thingy??? Anyway, I have no "changer thingy". Wonder if she knows Robert Hunter...hmmm.. guess the jet flanger reminded me... ok..just reporting in with the crucial information that I'm back at it. :) ol Em ps did this require a "njc"? ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:23:24 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: Joni's nude photo on FTR and the "kiss my ass" syndrom bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ If you have > an > > > original cover LP, you may own something valuable. Hopefully anyone owning the original cover would destroy it, not make money out of the exploitation of a minor. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:29:00 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: doon it again! > ps did this require a "njc"? Not as long as you promise to tell us more about your DJRD experience! Lori, looking forward to that post from Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Another Mer Girl A dear memeber of the group has wrote, under the subject of Joni unincluded in the RS 50 list, something about Madonna being in it. I'll start by saying that i do agree that Joni is a must be in any greatest artist list. But what, on earth, is so wrong with Madonna? I've been following her ever since she started up to her last album "American life" - and like then, even now, i still think she's a master in using "silly" POP lyrics in order to tell a story. As years went by, Madonna, unlike any other POP artist, has done a great job in - and do forgive me for the Joni quate - "painting with words", and those of you who had the chance to hear her work through the years, know that, like Joni, her main "portrait" was herself, and, again, like Joni, she's done it in her songs. Yes, her - she's been writing, composing and producing most of her songs ever since her first album, and if Joni has told her own story using poet-like lyrics, Madonna has done it using POP lyrics, a fact that i find to be amazing. If anyone here is a Madonna fan, i'd love to hear from you, and i'll end this one with a song by Madonne from her "Ray Of Light" album. "Mer Girl" I ran from my house that cannot contain me From the man that I cannot keep From my mother who haunts me, even though she's gone From my daughter that never sleeps I ran from the noise and the silence From the traffic on the streets I ran to the treetops, I ran to the sky Out to the lake, into the rain that matted my hair And soaked my shoes and skin Hid my tears, hid my fears I ran to the forest, I ran to the trees I ran and I ran, I was looking for me I ran past the churches and the crooked old mailbox Past the apple orchards and the lady that never talks Up into the hills, I ran to the cemetery And held my breath, and thought about your death I ran to the lake, up into the hills I ran and I ran, I'm looking there still And I saw the crumbling tombstones All forgotten names I tasted the rain, I tasted my tears I cursed the angels, I tasted my fears And the ground gave way beneath my feet And the earth took me in her arms Leaves covered my face Ants marched across my back Black sky opened up, blinding me I ran to the forest, I ran to the trees I ran and I ran, I was looking for me I ran to the lakes and up to the hill I ran and I ran, I'm looking there still And I smelled her burning flesh Her rotting bones Her decay I ran and I ran I'm still running away Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:59:25 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: Another Mer Girl I am not a particular fan of Madonna. i have enjoyed some of her singles and love the Ray of Light album. However, i do recognize her as a woman of great talent and satying power. I think many people diss her out of snobbery. she is pop, and has used sexulaity to sell herself. But what she had to sell was real and solid. Like as prayer immediately comes to mind as an excellent piece of art. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Les - it's still not working... Dear Les, (Sorry everyone, but since i don't have Les's e-mail, i had to post it here) I've followed the needed steps and i got this massage: Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information Error in CFFILE tag The form field specified in the CFFILE tag (FILETOUPLOAD) does not contain an uploaded file. Please be sure that you have specified the correct form field name. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFFILE), occupying document position (42:3) to (48:3). Date/Time: 04/08/04 19:52:24 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98) Remote Address: 81.218.93.68 HTTP Referrer: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/mypicture.cfm Please, tell me what can i do? I'm just lost... Thanks and love, Nuriel - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: doon it again! - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Not as long as you promise to tell us more about your DJRD > experience! Hi Lori well I listened to side 4 twice and listened to side 3 twice. The Silky Veils of Ardor is a blessing...it dribbles cold water on the tongue of us folk thirsty ones. Not that the lead up is not great. Figured out if you're not hearing and absorbingm or at least touching the words to this stuff, you might as well not listen. I'm wondering if I have a less than good pressing of this. Maybe this one that suffered from the vinyl shortage of the 70's. Anyone remember that scandle? When they found out the record co's were pressing way too many discs off the master? I have lots of crappy vinyl from the late 70's. James Taylor, some of my Linda Ronstadt and Steely Dan, just never sounded really good amd I suspect I had bad pressings. Or "marginally" bad pressings. Just enough distortion to make me not want to listen. ::shrug:: either that or I need a sub woofer to make the most of that deep drum sound. I get the feeling that the lush tho spare "recording" of DJRD is supposed to be part of the attraction, but it just doesn't sound that great...might be my LP. Not sure. Wish it were a cleaner source. So I welcome "10th world" when it comes around! Its part of it! Is that "the" Chaka Khan that sings b/u? From Rufus?? Anyway to have bumped into a wild peice of Afro-Cuban in the midst of this is delightful I find. And Dreamland a jewel. But the lyrics - of this whole thing ('cept 10th World) will require more listening. ha! "I pissed a tequila python"..lmao!!!! and there's so much more. I need to let the lyrics be part of the "visuals" for me on this. Gonna require more listening is all. And maybe a better copy of this. Its weird, sometimes LP's sound BETTER to me than CD's - but not in this instance. Its not letting the sound come out right. Also I am playing this in a small room, might not be best for this sort of music...maybe a huge room (which I don't have) OR headphones would be better. Anyway, its like trying to get attached to "Desolation Row" without listening to the words... why bother?? EXCEPT, I *think* the recording itself is supposed to be really delicious, but this LP I have is not "allowing" that. Hope that makes some sense. Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: doon it again! (DJRD) Damn Em, reading your take on DJRD is so refreshing!! Makes me want to haul out my LP -- or, since I have it on CD too, MAIL you my LP so you can perhaps enjoy it more! Although I don't know if the pressing I have is any better than the one you have now; my came from a "cut-outs" bin at some record store, many dim years ago. But you're welcome to it if you want it (send me your address and I'll send it off). > So I welcome "10th world" when it comes around! Its part of it! This absolutely thrills me, especially b/c that track gets the least attention (and the most complaints). Perhaps it takes a Cuban to properly appreciate it? : ) > Is that "the" Chaka Khan that sings b/u? From Rufus?? Yes. > Anyway to have bumped into a wild peice of Afro-Cuban in the midst of > this is delightful I find. And Dreamland a jewel. Agreed, and agreed. In the right frame of mind I really enjoy The Tenth World, and I ALWAYS love Dreamland. (It's a fun, fun song to perform at Jonifest, too, with everyone participating and dancing and dreaming along.) My personal favorite on DJRD is Jericho, I guess because it just hits me square in the heart. Next to that, though, would have to be Paprika Plains. It's long for sure, but it SO captures the stark beauty of the plains of Saskatchewan and Alberta, and also North Dakota and eastern Montana, which is where I was living (as was Buck) when I first heard it. It transports me back to that place every single time I hear it, and really, those plains DO look as if the goddesses and gods sprinkled paprika on them. (Perhaps there was a "plains cookoff" once upon a time?) > Its weird, sometimes LP's sound BETTER to me than CD's - but not in this > instance. Not so weird; I think LPs just about always sound better than CDs. LPs have a richer, warmer sound that is somehow "digitized" away on CDs. But I forget that until I drag the vinyl out and begin to play it. > Also I am playing this in a small room, might not be best for this sort > of music...maybe a huge room (which I don't have) OR headphones would > be better. Headphones would be a good thing in this case -- try that. > EXCEPT, I *think* the recording itself is supposed to be really > delicious, but this LP I have is not "allowing" that. > Hope that makes some sense. It makes perfect sense, and as I said, I'll be happy to let you have my LP if you're interested. (Allison -- known as "Mary" to most folks here -- and I are in the process of selling just about all of our vinyl on eBay, anyway, so we can move onto a boat or an RV or something smaller and more mobile in the future.) Tell us more as it comes to you! This is FUN! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:18:20 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2004 Congratulations, Em!! You've just made the quota of newbie e-mails to be allowed to come to Jonifest!! :-) Just kidding, EVERYONE is invited to Jonifest!!!!!!!!!! It's only a few short months away now, so........if there is anyone out there planning on coming to Fest that hasn't gotten their deposit in, get on the stick this weekend, sign up, fill out your forms, and get your checks to Donna!! You DON'T want to be left out of this year's festivities. TRUST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! For more info, go to: www.jonifest.com Hugs, Ashara, looking for Jonifest cheerleader backup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 02:42:44 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 9 On April 9 the following articles were published: 1997: "Long-lost daughter sings Mitchell's praises" - Toronto Sun (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=85 2000: "Elton John, James Taylor Pay Tribute To Joni Mitchell" - SonicNet website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=494 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #99 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)