From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #96 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 7 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 096 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Carving tomorrow from a Tombstone ["Lucy Hone" ] re: Les - we need you! ["Marian Russell" ] Magdalene Movie ["Laurent Olszer" ] So Snakey [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [Nuriel Tobias ] re: Magdalene - the movie [Garret ] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [Garret ] us politics ["ron" ] joni on uncut sampler ["ron" ] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni and Nellie [Jerry Notaro ] sorry - forgot the N J C :-( ["ron" ] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [Randy Remote ] Music store quotes joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Thank you, JMDL!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Diana Krall and Black Crow [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: So Snakey ["amelio747" ] images of a sunny sunday [magsnbrei ] hello, newbie intro [Em ] R Stone blows it with Joni again ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: hello, newbie intro ["Lori Fye" ] Re: hello, newbie intro [Catherine McKay ] Krall's new baby - fecking brilliant ["michael o'malley" Subject: re: Carving tomorrow from a Tombstone Mike mentions Paul Brady. Oh YES!!!! he is utterly brilliant. I have two of his albums and they are just amazing. A great blend of traditional material, new ideas and excellent musicianship. I have Spirits Colliding, and Oh What a World. He is one of Ireland's most prolific artists and has a voice to make the hairs on your neck stand up. The song "oh What a world" is my "stuck in a traffic jam ...God I need a lift....lets open the windows and blast some music really loud and cheer up the other sad sods" song. The chorus is just fab for making you sing along! "Oh what a world we live in but its the one we're given Stand up and face the trouble Baby I'm gonna love you And maybe you can love me to Oh Yeah, OH NO Oh what a world" Thank you Mike for turning today in to a day where I shall (Cue Jesse from the Fast Show) .....mostly be listening to Paul Brady! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 01:41:42 -0700 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: re: Les - we need you! I seem to recall Les saying in a recent post that, since moving the site to a new server, there have been problems with transferring files like photos into the gallery section. I don't recall why it is now a problem (something about permissions) and don't know if it can be fixed, but I know that Les knows about it and I'm sure he would like to have it fixed. Maybe he's away and that's why he hasn't replied. Marian + + + + + + + On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 05:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Nuriel Tobias wrote: >Is there a reason why we can't add out pics into the memebrs >section? Could you please help us? >I've tried several times and keep getting this error >message:Error Occurred While Processing RequestError Diagnostic >InformationAn error occurred while evaluating the >expression:"O:\Hosted WebSites\Les.Irvin\jmdl_com\www\gallery\pix\temp\#File.ServerFile#" >Error near line 16, column 21.------------------------------------>-------------------------------------------Error resolving >parameter FILE.SERVERFILE >Before you can access any file status variables you must execute >at leastone CFFILE tag.The error occurred while processing an >element with a general identifierof (CF_IMAGESIZE), occupying >document position (16:1) to (16:100).Date/Time: 04/04/04 >18:52:48Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT >5.0)Remote Address: 4.4.249.140HTTP Referrer: >http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/mypicture.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:15:49 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Magdalene Movie Nuriel wrote > Has anyone here seen the movie "The Magdalene Sisters"? In case you have, what did you think about it? I thought it was lovely, but couldn't ascape the feeling that the inspiration for it and the guts to do it started with our Joni song. > Yes I saw the 2nd half on tv last week (& taped the rest). I must confess that I would never have paid any attention if Joni hadn't written the song. You may be right about the inspiration. I also think Joni in the soundtrack would have been a perfect fit for the movie. Regarding the movie itself, I saw a british documentary last year that was much grimmer in its description. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: So Snakey Don't you think it's a bit strange that Joni, unlike in any other song she wrote, uses the same words twice in a song, making it seem like, well, she didn't notice? I'm talking about the lyric "so snakey" which appears twice in "Harlem in Havana", very close to eachother in the song. ("there's a band that plays so snakey" and then "they play night-train so snakey"). It just seems weird, unless there's a poetic purpose in it - don't you think? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again After all the "kind" words of hate that Joni has spread about the music biz, i find this case to be an official punishment of the industry towards her. I think that they simply wanted to tell her "why should we love you when you hate us so much". There's a saying in hebrew 'don't spit into the well you've been drinking from' - and Joni, i fear, has done it too often, not that i disagree with her on that, but she's simply paying the price. Michael Paz wrote:Don't stress too much about it. Consider the source. After all they are the National Enquirer of music rags. Sure there are some sources of light, but mostly it's just what it is. Then again they were the ones that were more concerned about who she was fucking than the substance of her work. Ok it pissed me off too. Paz > The new issue of Rolling Stone is "Celebrating the 50th Anniversary > of Rock" (1954? huh?) and their feature article "The Immortals" > lists the 50 "most important performers in rock & roll history". As > you can probably guess by now, Joni was not one of the 50. > To be fair to RS, they did not make the list, they selected a panel > of 55 or so musicians, industry pundits, etc to vote, and had it > tabulated by an accounting firm. > They pared down 125 candidates to 50 "immortals", and there > are plenty of obvious choices, Beatles, Hendrix, Dylan, Stones. > But how did Madonna beat out Joni? Will Jerry Lee Lewis or > The Clash or even Elton John be recognized in future generations > as coming anywhere near Joni's artistic achievement? > U2 more important than Pink Floyd (who weren't included)? > Bo Diddley more than The Grateful Dead or Crosby Stills and Nash? > Patty Smith is a great poet, but couldn't sing a note (to paraphrase > Jon Lovitz) if she had Billie Holiday stuck in her throat. > Fats Domino, The Ramones, Michael Jackson, and The Velvet > Underground have all made their contributions, but I would trade > them all for X. > As you can tell, I'm mortified and outraged! Okay, not really, I > don't care all that much. But not having Joni on that list really gets > my panties in a bunch. > RR > Read the article here > http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2846 Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:26:17 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: Magdalene - the movie Hi Nuriel, It is a good film, very worthwhile - it may not be the kind of film i'd want to watch repeatedly, mind you. It was a very important film in Ireland, and upsetting for many people. I think the inspiration for it is the fact that it is a very painful part of Irish history that must be dealt with. So many people as young as my mother (mid forties) are dealing with the aftermath of the abuse inflicted upon them in these places. I think it was empowering for people to see this movie, and i believe that's where the guts came from. And we should remember that Joni's song was influenced by a newspaper article. GARRET np- Joni, magdalene laundries Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Magdalene - the movie Has anyone here seen the movie "The Magdalene Sisters"? In case you have, what did you think about it? I thought it was lovely, but couldn't ascape the feeling that the inspiration for it and the guts to do it started with our Joni song. Love, Nuriel - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:04:01 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again I was going to post in relation to Joni not making the RS list. How Joni truly is one of the immortals, one of the greatest rock & roll artists (whatever rock & roll really is). How the term artist is so often misapplied in such lists (has it been redefined behind my back? Maybe my interpretation is not quite liberal enough). How pointless I find these lists yet how I always scan them for two names: Joni Mitchell and Patti Smith. How I get excited seeing these names on such lists. How Tom Waits is a notable absence from the immortals, or maybe he isnt rock & roll. Lets not ask. How these lists are usually exactly the same as the previous list. the most surprising thing is that Joni usually gets an honorary mention. I often suspect such a mention is not rooted in appreciation of her music as art, but in an emerging music business norm to state that Joni Mitchell is great because she is Joni Mitchell afterall and that half of the impresarios making such statements have never really listened to anything other than Blue, dont get it, yet have a severe case of emperors-new-clothes going on, wont listen to the rest of her catalogue, but will say what is expected  yes, Joni Mitchell is great/a genius/ massively influential etc. Similar reasoning led Joni to be dismissive of many of her mid-to-late nineties awards, I suspect, other than the ones judged by music fans. I have nothing to go on here except opinion. Im not going to write that email, however, but will step in and defend Patti Smith. I wouldnt have brought it up if Azeem had not mentioned that he thinks Patti does belong on that list:-) I strongly believe that Joni deserves mention and I strongly believe that Patti deserves mention. Let me address the point of Patti Smith not being able to sing (even if Billie Holiday was in her throat:-) I'm trading in subjectivity this email, and trying very extremely hard to avoid tautological redundancy;-) This was not a list of the greatest singers that rock & roll has to offer. It was stated that The Immortals are the greatest rock & roll artists of all time. They are also more than that. The fifty men, women and bands celebrated in the following pages (and in an exclusive photo gallery) are the singers, songwriters, record makers and performers who are continually in the music -- as pioneers, teachers and stars; touching our souls and pulling us to our feet, on a daily basis Perhaps this rules out Joni in some minds; personally, I dont think it rules her out. It certainly does not rule out Patti Smith. In fact, Patti is more vital than Joni in terms of activism in current music (it hasnt always been this way): she actively records and releases new music dealing with love, dealing with family life, dealing with politics, dealing with peace, dealing with art, dealing with death. tours every year letting old fans worldwide appreciate once again what so many of them knew in the seventies  this woman and her boys put on a kick-ass, gut-thrilling, mouth-smiling, powerful rock show which lets her new fans experience this for the first or second time, bringing her heartfelt beliefs  including her indictment of George W. and her conviction that all citizens should vote as power is found in numbers  around the world, and although I dont always agree with her straightforward political reasoning, I know she speaks with heart and feels what she says, and I can respect that. Politics in music doesnt qualify Patti for that list. making great music probably does. Now, I dont want to imply that I agree with the assertion that Patti Smith cannot sing: quite the contrary in fact. I believe that she is a great singer. Does great singer imply perfect voice? In terms of rock & roll voices, dont you think her voice is unique? She is no Judy Collins or Karen Carpenter or Ella Fitzgerald, but this does not mean she cannot sing. A critical aspect of her artistry lies in the fact that her voice suits what she does. Can you imagine Judy or Karen singing Glitter in their Eyes or E-bow the Letter or Free Money? That is Patti Smiths place. Yes, she can be nasal, she can be flat and off key Im sure. Her voice is imperfect and flawed. This is part of the appeal, for me at least. Interestingly, one of the things that initially dew me to Joni is that sometimes her voice is not perfect, it can be unpleasant (I mean that in a good way believe it or not). She is no manufactured pop princess. It was 1999 and I was impressed to think that Joni sounded like a normal, everyday, but talented Jill Doe that picked up a guitar and started creating an art  she didnt wound like shed been trained for years. She hadnt been. This gave her the freedom to explore things in her own way. She was/is free from the rules and constraints of doing things properly, if you know what I mean:-) I feel the same way about Patti. These are two singers that use their voices differently, and, yes, I admit, Joni is certainly a better singer in a technical sense. Joni and Patti occupy different niches. They fulfil different roles in rock & roll and both are brilliant in their respective roles. It all boils down to appeal. If Joni and her voice and her music appeal to you then you will want her on such a list. We commonly acknowledge Jonis greatness on here on JMDL (mind you, Ive seen similar acknowledgement of Joni over on the Patti list too), and I do not doubt it. I often wonder if they class Neil Young as the undoubted greatest on his list; Tori Amos on her list; John Lennon, Elton John, Nina Simone etc. If Patti and her voice and her music (and maybe her poetry and her visual art) appeal to you then you will want her on such a list. Joni and Patti or Patti and Joni; they appeal to me equally and I want to see them both on such a list. If youve tried and you dont like Pattis voice I wont argue with that. I cant argue with what appeals to you. I'm sure no arguement could convince me that the manic Street Preachers are fantastic. Sure, they probably are an important band. I recommend the album Dream of Life to those that believe that Patti cant sing (or to those searching for a good, strong pop-rock album). Two tracks stand out in the current context: Paths that Cross and The Jackson Song. Both of these reflect her sensitive side and may surprise some people. One is a song from a mother to her son, and the other is a song to a friend (Mapplethorpe) recently diagnosed with AIDS. This is one of very few songs that can upset me every time I hear it. I attended a poetry evening with Patti Smith in a church in central London recently and she sang this song (actually she sang both songs) I never thought I would hear that song live. I cannot describe how this made me feel! The analogy that I can draw is that this may be how people felt when they heard River live in the seventies. To get a feeling (perhaps again) of Pattis artistry, which may or may not appeal to you, listen to Horses; download the track Land or Birdland. I often cite them as the test of whether or not you can stand Patti and whether or not you can see how important she was (is). If lists such as the immortals exist, I will continue to scan them for at least two particular names: Joni Mitchell and Patti Smith, remaining firm in my conviction that both deserve to be on there. The last word, if anybody at all is still reading, goes to Michael Stipe: The first time she opened her mouth on a stage, Patti Smith became the catalyst and conduit for everything that is rock and roll. Her influence is inescapable and blessed. Rather like Jonis, one feels. GARRET Np- Patti, Elegie - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:22:53 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: us politics hi just thought this was a really great election slogan: "Vote Bush - Its a No-Brainer!!" ron np - michelle shocked - contest coming (still) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:24:07 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni on uncut sampler hi the latest uncut cover disc is a sampler of nonesuch artists of course, it has a track from t'log - amelia. there are also some other great tracks - emmylou, david byrne, & others - well worth a list. ron np - michelle shocked - contest coming ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:36:41 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again **The last word, if anybody at all is still reading, Read every word & loved your essay, Garrett! I wasn't going to post on the topic, because as you say RS does these same kind of lists once or twice a year and they're always pretty much the same. It equals in my mind the book Tom Brokaw wrote about his generation, which he dubbed "The Greatest Generation", that is to say that the farts who write about the music for RS have to keep revisiting their old faves because: a) It's what they know best; b) It reinforces (to them anyway) that the GOOD stuff came from their generation. Like Nuriel said, Joni doesn't play the games to belong to the RS boy's club, and I'm sure she couldn't care less about being included in any of their lists. Do I really want to read any more short essays about how great the Beatles, Elvis, Mick, Jimi, Led Zeppelin, etc. were? No. I will say to end on a happy note that I'm scanning through "Rock Lives" by Timothy White, ex-Crawdaddy & RS editor, and he includes Joni in his "Pioneer" section right up there with all the usual suspects. Then again, he had nobody to answer to as far as Jann & RS are concerned. He even put her pic on the cover! Bob NP: Red House Painters, "Funhouse" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:38:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and Nellie WMNF-FM, the hippest station in town and plays Joni in top rotation is now playing Nellie McKay. It is the first station to play her in the area. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:47:21 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: sorry - forgot the N J C :-( sorry ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:45:39 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again Garret wrote: > If lists such as the immortals exist, I will continue to scan them for at > least two particular names: Joni Mitchell and Patti Smith, remaining firm in my > conviction that both deserve to be on there. You make a convincing case, and I admit to loving her "People Got The Power". Another person not on the list who should be is Frank Zappa. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:42:38 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Spring Greetins Have not been in the loop here in some time. Thought I would forward a hello to all who know of me. Quite a spider web the posts create. A footprint of the more massive confusion that the world is exteriorizing these days. When an age loses its capacity to act from reflection and contemplation the world gets violence and chaos in the name of God. Of course, as is the want of the wanting, the rich are to blame for the idle, violent meanderings of the "third " world, the third being poor, the second being the middle class, and the top the rich. As one of the second, it grieves me that the ignorance of the third is so great that it offers little hope of gentle guiding, as seems to always be the case. As we armchair our opinions, our supermarkets are still open, we still drive our lotus mobiles, we wash and dry our clothes in machines, and we inspire our shallow lunacy with media of all sorts, and justify our character at a keyboard but miss the call in our daily lives to reflect and stand first for hope and last for lunacy. Whatever I may believe within my solitary heart, it is irrelevanted daily by the rationales of others yet I am not moved to violence nor shall I fill my private moments with plans to politic anyone to my side. A simple truth, if all including ones ethics is about a fashion of a mob, I hold no interest in pursuit of that. Other than these depths I am fine and still open to a lover - Have a great day! S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:22:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Music store quotes joni This description is listed at: http://www.ezfolk.com/links/musicstores--newyork.html "Mandolin Brothers... 'One of the best guitars shops in the world' said The Boston Globe. Joni Mitchell sang 'I went to Staten Island, Sharon, to buy myself a mandolin...... http://www.mandolinbrothers.com " So did she go to buy a mandolin or a Mandolin? Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:44:01 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Thank you, JMDL!!! I realize I don't give enough thanks here, and I am especially feeling grateful for all the music I never would have heard had it not been for this list, either by gifts of music, knowing the musicians from the JMDL, or most especially, by hearing about them from this list. A (very!) partial list of music I now LOVE and never would have heard: Stryngs! Eastmountainsouth Kate Bennett Jeff Bisch Groovelily Mindy Smith David Lahm ALL the Joni covers!! (Thank you, Bob, for putting such a lot of work into this! OK, I don't *love* every single song, but I enjoy listening to each one of them when they come in, and can never thank you enough!) Beth Neilson Chapman Brian Blade Damien Rice Cheb Mami the many other JMDLers that have CD's- I think I've bought them all!! Many, many thanks for enriching my life with such great music! Keep those suggestions coming!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:46:41 EDT From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: Diana Krall and Black Crow Hi all, just listened to radio four, review of new Diana Krall CD. Generally favourable. with regards to her cover of black crow the reviewer said " she out joni'ed joni". They played a snippet and yes its damn good. As for Out joni'ing Joni, i'm on the fence, you decide for yourselves. lots of love xxx Clive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:54:28 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: So Snakey Yeah Nuriel interesting...my guess is she just thought it sounded good. Though Joni has done some clever and hidden poetic things in the past, I just don't think she did it on TTT! I liked TTT at one time but in retrospect there is a lot of recycling going on there! Saying this I do like "Stay In Touch" which I thought nothing of at first. It's a really honest song...I wish she'd write some more! NP: Raised On Robbery * * * * * * Stephen T "and I thought I wouldn't have to be " - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: So Snakey > Don't you think it's a bit strange that Joni, unlike in any other song she wrote, uses the same words twice in a song, making it seem like, well, she didn't notice? I'm talking about the lyric "so snakey" which appears twice in "Harlem in Havana", very close to eachother in the song. ("there's a band that plays so snakey" and then "they play night-train so snakey"). It just seems weird, unless there's a poetic purpose in it - don't you think? > > Love, > > Nuriel > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: images of a sunny sunday As I write, I am listening to Sunny Sunday, with the hope of explaining what this song means to me. ( I know, there's "no need to explain" ;-) From the moment I heard Sunny Sunday back in 98, a clear image formed immediately, that I can't seem to shake to this day. I see the woman as someone who is stuck, living/existing under the fist of an abusive husband/partner. How does one explain , it's like trying to describe the colour blue. Bit of a dilemma, which is why I've been hesitated to express this thought. No proof in the words, just in my mind. the image is vivid to me. Joni does this so well, she paints stark images with her words . I can see the woman in the song as she points her pistol through the door, as she aims at the streetlight.... what drives it home for me is: But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. such a moment of knowing that this one event will set her free. a woman in this situation has to focus on crumbs like the day she hits is the day she'll leave" for survival. . It is what gets her through each and every day. At first I thought, due to the fact that there are other songs on this album that address various aspects of woman abuse , I came to that conclusion, however, that's the image I had all along. all in all, one very powerful song, no matter how you look at it. Mags np: The Magdalene Laundries ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: hello, newbie intro Hi folks, am finally properly subscribed it would appear. Glad to be among you all! Read some in the archives and, especially musically, you all seem to have it going on really right up my alley. Anyway I got here via lister Lori Fye, (HI LORI!) who I know through a list for wayward women who ride motorcycles. My musical heart seems to beat louder when its around music from the "cusp" of 69-70, not sure why. I'm 44 so I was like 10 then. My first "real" album was the play soundtrack to "HAIR", whatta trip, parents took it *away* for a few years then I stole it back. My second real album was a radio station only live album of CSNY - and I've never again heard those versions of the songs. "Ohio" was on it. Its long gone. My main lyrical "heart" is given to Mr. Bob Dylan, and e'er more shall. He's just tattoed on my brain. I should fess up and say I don't really know what JM is up to these days...her stuff up to about "Miles of Isles" is also mother's milk to me though. Anyone you could possibly include in the "tree" of music related to anything CSNY (which is a HUGE tree with magnificent roots, no?) is mother's milk for me. You can even connect, like Gram Parsons, and therfore Emmylou Harris and it just grows outward and outward. In fact, just today the UPS guy dropped off my new "White Falcon" t-shirt from Gretschgear.com. ;) Anyway, just saying hi, and thanks Lori, for telling me about this place. Thanks for letting me hang out. Aunty Em ps when you get an email how do you reply back to the list?? when I hit "reply" it was gonna reply just to the poster, and not to the list - so I had to copy and paste the list email in the "TO" area. Is that normal?? ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:12:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: R Stone blows it with Joni again Bob>I will say to end on a happy note that I'm scanning through "Rock Lives" by Timothy White, ex-Crawdaddy & RS editor, and he includes Joni in his "Pioneer" section right up there with all the usual suspects. Then again, he had nobody to answer to as far as Jann & RS are concerned. He even put her pic on the cover!< I like the idea of pioneers rather than immortals... I think this would narrow the field a bit too... I haven't read this book but it sounds like a good one... Getting back to the RS list I think I would have also included the Police... & what about Peter Gabriel... ? And I hate to say it but if Clapton had od'd he'd be on that list... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: hello, newbie intro Since I sorta got you into this, Em, let me be one of the first to say HELLO! and welcome home! You'll fit right in here! Was Miles of Aisles your last JM album? Sounds like you've got LOTS of catching up to do! : ) Meanwhile, tell us more -- how did you discover Joni? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hello, newbie intro --- Em wrote: > Hi folks, am finally properly subscribed it would > appear. Glad to be > among you all! ... > ps when you get an email how do you reply back to > the list?? when I hit > "reply" it was gonna reply just to the poster, and > not to the list - so > I had to copy and paste the list email in the "TO" > area. Is that normal?? > Welcome, Auntie Em - there's no place like home! You'd probably need to use the "reply all" or "reply to everyone" thing to bring in both the sender of a post and the list. That's how it works for me, and you have a yahoo address too, so that should work. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:59:48 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Krall's new baby - fecking brilliant Just laying back and listening to Krall's new CD, The Girl in the Other Room, on CBC radio 2 tonight, what can I say ? This CD has the guts we've been waiting for from Diana. Great bluesy feel to the piano and voice. The new compositions are great, as are the Costello covers. Of course, she just about outdoes Joni on Black Crow. Funny how the piano and guitar retains an 80's feel on this tune. Diana mentioed Joni at least two times in the interview - -placing her in the pantheon of the greats - which, of course, we've known all along :- ) Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:20:54 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Cute article on Joni, Joan & Judy http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,1413,125~1549~2064035,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:06:06 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 7 On April 7 the following articles were published: 1997: "Chip off the 'ole block - Joni's Covergirl Has Star Potential" - Toronto Sun (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=78 1997: "Singer's daughter identified" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Reunion Story, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=86 1997: "Web Site Reunites Joni Mitchell and Daughter" - unknown (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=84 2000: "Both Sides, Literally" - VH1 Website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=489 2000: "Joni Mitchell Gets Her Just Desserts In New York Tribute Concert" - AllStar Website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=490 2000: "Stone Temple Pilots Nix Mitchell Tribute, Rock NYC" - MTV Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=491 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:56:42 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: RS list Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again After all the "kind" words of hate that Joni has spread about the music biz, i find this case to be an official punishment of the industry towards her. I think that they simply wanted to tell her "why should we love you when you hate us so much". There's a saying in hebrew 'don't spit into the well you've been drinking from' - and Joni, i fear, has done it too often, not that i disagree with her on that, but she's simply paying the price. Well, maybe. But RS has actually been kind to Joni in recent years, mainly. On the other hand, the list was probably compiled by an ad hoc group and not by the editors of RS. I dunno....I might shoot them a nasty email. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #96 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)