From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #95 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 6 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 095 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hermione Grainger and the Joni Connection.....sjc ["Ross, Les" ] Les - we need you! [Nuriel Tobias ] war resistors ["mike pritchard" ] Magdalene - the movie [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness [Lori Fye ] Re: Orgasms from around the world - now with JC! [Lori Fye ] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [Michael Paz Subject: Hermione Grainger and the Joni Connection.....sjc ...nothing in particular but while perusing a TV listings magazine, I read (why?) an article interview with the three leads in the series of Harry Potter films. The actress who plays Hermione Grainger and who is 14 years old, cites Joni as a fave listen for 'older music'. Alanis (irony) Morrisette also ranked. Now, doesn't your monday feel the better for knowing that? Les (London) np - dragonfly, stryngs 2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 05:10:36 -0400 From: cul Subject: Re: Fw: jmdl - please help I've tried several times and keep getting this error message: Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information An error occurred while evaluating the expression: "O:\Hosted Web Sites\Les.Irvin\jmdl_com\www\gallery\pix\temp\#File.ServerFile#" Error near line 16, column 21. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Error resolving parameter FILE.SERVERFILE Before you can access any file status variables you must execute at least one CFFILE tag. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CF_IMAGESIZE), occupying document position (16:1) to (16:100). Date/Time: 04/04/04 18:52:48 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) Remote Address: 4.4.249.140 HTTP Referrer: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/mypicture.cfm Caio Nehring wrote: Subject: jmdl - please help Hello folks, I'm trying to enter my pic (yes, it's about time you'd know how i look like) and some personal words into the members page - but it just don't seem to work. could someone please help me with some instructions? I realy don't know what to do... Love and thanks, Nuri> it happened 2 me 2 months ago. but i've just let it go. I thought i was one of those only ones who did not succeed on the job...now i know it makes us at least 3... Help Us... Caio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 05:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Les - we need you! Dear Les - Is there a reason why we can't add out pics into the memebrs section? Could you please help us? Thank you, Nuriel Here's what some of us wrote: I've tried several times and keep getting this error message:Error Occurred While Processing RequestError Diagnostic InformationAn error occurred while evaluating the expression:"O:\Hosted WebSites\Les.Irvin\jmdl_com\www\gallery\pix\temp\#File.ServerFile#"Error near line 16, column 21.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Error resolving parameter FILE.SERVERFILEBefore you can access any file status variables you must execute at leastone CFFILE tag.The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifierof (CF_IMAGESIZE), occupying document position (16:1) to (16:100).Date/Time: 04/04/04 18:52:48Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)Remote Address: 4.4.249.140HTTP Referrer: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/mypicture.cfm Caio Nehring wrote: Subject: jmdl - please help Hello folks, I'm trying to enter my pic (yes, it's about time you'd know how i look like) and some personal words into the members page - but it just don't seem to work. could someone please help me with some instructions? I realy don't know what to do... Love and thanks, Nuri> it happened 2 me 2 months ago. but i've just let it go. I thought i was one of those only ones who did not succeed on the job...now Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:17:14 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: war resistors This is part of a written paper written by Rob Fairmichael for the War Resisters International Triennial Conference, Dublin, August 2002 on 'Stories and strategies - non-violent resistance and social change'. It includes many Irish musicians and a description of the socio-political setting of the songs. There's a link to the full listing at end of mail. It's worth a read, I think. 14. Joni Mitchell and the Chieftains - The Magdalene Laundries During the mid-nineteenth century Ireland became a more conservative place in many ways, including regarding sexual behaviour. In 1966 Oliver J Flanagan, a member of the Dail (parliament in Dublin) could say "Sex never came to Ireland until Teilifms Iireann* went on the air" (*the state television broadcasting agency, now RTI) - an obviously ludicrous comment but one which he felt he could state at the time. Severe penalties - including ostracism and social rejection - could be meted out to people, particularly women, who did not meet a very conservative sexual moral code. Women pregnant out of marriage, and others, could be sent to an institution like the Magdalene Laundries. The mistreatment of many women in such institutions, and of children sent to institutions by the state, has been a shocking discovery within the last decade or two. This song tells of some of the women in 'the Magdalene Laundry'. It's from the Chieftains' 'Tears of Stone' album and sung by North American singer Joni Mitchell. http://www.innatenonviolence.org/pamphlets/wrimusic.htm mike in barcelona np - Paul Brady - Arthur McBride ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Magdalene - the movie Has anyone here seen the movie "The Magdalene Sisters"? In case you have, what did you think about it? I thought it was lovely, but couldn't ascape the feeling that the inspiration for it and the guts to do it started with our Joni song. Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:38:44 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness Nuriel pondered: > Does anybody have an idea who is the woman in Sunny Sunday? Is she a real > person? Is it a sad joke about a crazy woman? I'm saying "joke" - because > there's something very funny - in an strange way - about a story of a woman > who waits every day till night falls only to shoot at the streetlight from > her doorstep, miss, then wait till the day after, then try again, on and on. It's probably coincidence, but this woman has always reminded me of the subject of Shawn Colvin's "Sunny Came Home" from the CD "A Few Small Repairs." Sunny Came Home Sunny came home to her favorite room Sunny sat down in the kitchen She opened a book and a box of tools Sunny came home with a mission She says days go by I'm hypnotized I'm walking on a wire I close my eyes and fly out of my mind Into the fire Sunny came home with a list of names She didn't believe in transcendence It's time for a few small repairs she said Sunny came home with a vengeance She says days go by I don't know why I'm walking on a wire I close my eyes and fly out of my mind Into the fire Get the kids and bring a sweater Dry is good and wind is better Count the years, you always knew it Strike a match, go on and do it Days go by I'm hypnotized I'm walking on a wire I close my eyes and fly out of my mind Into the fire Light the sky and hold on tight The world is burning down She's out there on her own and she's alright Sunny came home Sunny came home... by Shawn Colvin & John Leventhal - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:49:41 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: listening to Joni when sad Debi asked: > When you are depressed do you find Joni to be helpful or makes you go > deeper into your depression? Generally speaking, it helps me. > I have found that listening to the demo *It's all over now, Baby Blue*, her > Dylan cover to just make those tears fall and fall. I'm of the opinion that it's good to cry out depression, so I think the above example is a good thing. > Oh, and Man from Mars, I don't care if it is about a cat, it is unbearable. Otoh, Man from Mars can make me feel depressed even when I'm not. It just tears me apart (and I love it for that). - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:28:20 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Orgasms from around the world - now with JC! Bob wondered: > Does Joni mention the big "O" in any of her songs? Oh yes, > there's that intro to WTRF! I was beginning to think there was > a topic that Joni didn't touch. I think this must qualify: Sometimes in the evening He would read to her Roll her in his arms And give his seed to her - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:34:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness --- Lori Fye wrote: > Nuriel pondered: > > > Does anybody have an idea who is the woman in > Sunny Sunday? Is she a real > > person? Is it a sad joke about a crazy woman? I'm > saying "joke" - because > > there's something very funny - in an strange way - > about a story of a woman > > who waits every day till night falls only to shoot > at the streetlight from > > her doorstep, miss, then wait till the day after, > then try again, on and on. > > It's probably coincidence, but this woman has always > reminded me of the subject > of Shawn Colvin's "Sunny Came Home" from the CD "A > Few Small Repairs." > I imagine it's "Scarlett Conquering" twenty or thirty years on. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: "Hejira" as a play Do you think that Joni would have agreed to letting an actress play "Hejira" on the stage, as a monodrama? I think "Hejira", as it is, no need to change a thing in it, could make a great play for a single actress. The journey, the order of the songs, the main female charcter, the vividness of it all - it's such a great material for the stage. And unlike a singer, an actress can give it the power of speech, and movement, and all the beauty that can be found - still, if i may add - in theatre. Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:09:32 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again Don't stress too much about it. Consider the source. After all they are the National Enquirer of music rags. Sure there are some sources of light, but mostly it's just what it is. Then again they were the ones that were more concerned about who she was fucking than the substance of her work. Ok it pissed me off too. Paz > The new issue of Rolling Stone is "Celebrating the 50th Anniversary > of Rock" (1954? huh?) and their feature article "The Immortals" > lists the 50 "most important performers in rock & roll history". As > you can probably guess by now, Joni was not one of the 50. > To be fair to RS, they did not make the list, they selected a panel > of 55 or so musicians, industry pundits, etc to vote, and had it > tabulated by an accounting firm. > They pared down 125 candidates to 50 "immortals", and there > are plenty of obvious choices, Beatles, Hendrix, Dylan, Stones. > But how did Madonna beat out Joni? Will Jerry Lee Lewis or > The Clash or even Elton John be recognized in future generations > as coming anywhere near Joni's artistic achievement? > U2 more important than Pink Floyd (who weren't included)? > Bo Diddley more than The Grateful Dead or Crosby Stills and Nash? > Patty Smith is a great poet, but couldn't sing a note (to paraphrase > Jon Lovitz) if she had Billie Holiday stuck in her throat. > Fats Domino, The Ramones, Michael Jackson, and The Velvet > Underground have all made their contributions, but I would trade > them all for X. > As you can tell, I'm mortified and outraged! Okay, not really, I > don't care all that much. But not having Joni on that list really gets > my panties in a bunch. > RR > Read the article here > http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2846 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:52:37 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness I dont' believe she was crazy Lori, at least not in the conventional sense. Maybe lonely, bored, trapped, slowly losing her mind if she wasn't able to follow her heart. Actually, the tune reminded me of myself when I was on the farm. I hit that light one night and left. Found the grass wasn't greener after all but wouldn't trade a move made. I understand that woman very well and have thought of her as a friend and hope she has left that place behind. np: missy-when i look down that road ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:20:18 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 6 On April 6 the following articles were published: 1988: "Two Voices' Middle-Aged Renaissance" - Washington Post (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1096 1997: "Joni Mitchell's daughter: Chatelaine model" - Jam! Website (Reunion Story, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=87 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #95 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)