From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #94 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 5 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 094 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: April 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re : CBC Radio preview of Krall's new CD - April 6 (SJC) ["michael o'mall] Re: Krall's Black Crow ["michael o'malley" ] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [Bobsart48@aol.com] miyake's new venture [Kate ] R Stone blows it with Joni again ["Kate Bennett" ] R Stone blows it with Joni again ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again [Randy Remote ] Fw: jmdl - please help ["Caio Nehring" ] Today's Library Links: April 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 03:00:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 4 On April 4 the following articles were published: 1969: "Into the Pain of the Heart" - Time (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=933 1988: "Portrait of an Artist in her Prime" - MacLean's (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=177 2000: "Brilliant Careers" - Salon.com (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=485 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 05:08:54 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again Randy writes: << The new issue of Rolling Stone is "Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Rock" (1954? huh?) and their feature article "The Immortals" lists the 50 "most important performers in rock & roll history". As you can probably guess by now, Joni was not one of the 50. >> I am always confused by rock & roll lists because rock & roll is a very specific kind of music, in my opinion, and shouldn't just include everything non-classical of the last half century. For example, the Beatles are pop, not r & r. Joni is whatever Joni is, but she's definitely not r & r. Ditto Pink Floyd, the Grateful Dead and Crosby, Stills & Nash. So take heart, Randy. Rolling Stone will probably put Joni right at the top when they do their next special feature, "Celebrating 5,000 years of Folk!" - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:37:20 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re : CBC Radio preview of Krall's new CD - April 6 (SJC) Hi Jonilistas, the link I initially tried to post to the CBC Radio site was too long and convoluted. Try this simpler one, for the After Hours show, then click the Live radio icon in the upper right corner. http://www.cbc.ca/afterhours/ Alternatively, this link will bring you diectly to live radio - select Radio 2 http://www.cbc.ca/audio.html Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:49:51 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re: Krall's Black Crow Didn't Emiliano report here that DK included Black Crow in her recent Madrid show ? Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:46:18 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Diana Krall in Madrid Hi, folks! From yesterday (or so) El Pais' review of DK's concert to the press: "Correct rendition of Joni Mitchell's Black Crow". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:27:12 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again Randy Remote wrote: (no rhyme or alliteration intended) "The new issue of Rolling Stone is "Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Rock" (1954? huh?) and their feature article "The Immortals" lists the 50 "most important performers in rock & roll history". As you can probably guess by now, Joni was not one of the 50. To be fair to RS, they did not make the list, they selected a panel of 55 or so musicians, industry pundits, etc to vote, and had it tabulated by an accounting firm." Thanks for the heads up, Randy. A couple of points: 1. A panel of 55 is not a very large panel for a purpose like this, and stands a good chance of producing skewed results as compared a differently constructed panel. If RS were serious about this, they would have had a larger panel - did they list the names of the panelists, to illustrate the "mix" ? 2. It sounds to me as though, in a sense, this panel viewed their task as memorializing those people who represented what "Rock" was most about - with a bias toward those things surrounding the genre rather than toward the art itself. Sex, Drugs, Fan-Manias, Record Sales, Volume, Sex, Rebellion, Socio-political Protest, Showmanship, Anger, Violence, Arena filling, Commercials ?, Videos, and, of course, Sex and Drugs. And, I suspect, a male-oriented bias in what was for the most part a male-dominated genre (governed by greed and lust, and other forms of badness, in contrast to Joni's general goodness, at least by comparison with many if not most on that list) - were there only 4 women on that list, or am I missing someone ?. But most disturbing is what I believe is a long-standing bias toward glamorizing - or at least romanticizing - Rock performers' tendency toward premature, drug induced and/or violent death, which ironically limited the extent of their art (Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Lennon, Cobaine, Moon, Gaye, Holly, Marley, Presley, Cooke, Redding - am I missing anybody else on that list ?) Some but not all of these people might be worthy of making this list on the merits - but they did not / could not - except arguably for Lennon and Presley - stand the test of time, which is one of the "hall of fame" criteria in virtually every other endeavor except R&R. Jim Morrison versus Joni Mitchell - police! I mean, puhhhleeeeeze! 3. Joni's work has a far better chance of surviving to be recognized as the finest art of its era - in that respect, she (and we) can be grateful that there was not more competition in that area - with most attention/effort over the past 50 years directed not so much toward the art but rather toward ...... well, Rock and Roll. Thankfully, Joni has stood the test of time - and will one day take her place among the great artists of her time - and all time. Patti Smith, indeed ! Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:56:00 -0500 From: Kate Subject: miyake's new venture Thought some of you, in view of Joni's penchant for Miyake fashions, might be interested in this new way of creating clothing that he has come up with: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.04/miyake.html Almost sounds like an April fool's joke, doesn' it? NorthKate ps sorry if this post appears twice; i initially sent it to les@jmdl.com and it just came back as undeliverable ~~~ Anaos Wrote ~~~ http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:07:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: R Stone blows it with Joni again As a musician, RS lost me over a decade ago when they became so pop culture fluffy & kept putting a lot of young actresses on their cover... I checked the list & was glad to see the Band squeaked in there at #50... Bob Marley too. I do like the idea of artists writing about other artists on this list though. Its incredibly ironic that 2 artists (at least) who cite Joni as a major influence (Madonna, Prince) made it but Joni did not... She should of (<---hahahahaha, just kidding!) been up there towards the tippy top... >The new issue of Rolling Stone is "Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Rock" (1954? huh?) and their feature article "The Immortals" lists the 50 "most important performers in rock & roll history". As you can probably guess by now, Joni was not one of the 50. RR Read the article here http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2846< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:59:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: R Stone blows it with Joni again PS... I counted 2 females among the 55 voters for this selection (Chrissie Hynde & Lucinda Williams). I bet if they'd asked more females & more musicians (rather than industry folks) Joni would have made the list. Looking at the voters I would have added Santana & The Pretenders to the list of immortals. They both had a huge impact. And what about the Moody Blues? Clearly only 50 immortals is not enough. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:56:50 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again Kate Bennett wrote: > I would have added Santana & The Pretenders to the > list of immortals. They both had a huge impact. And what about the > Moody Blues? Yes, yes and yes! Maybe even Yes? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:57:36 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: R Stone blows it with Joni again Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > But most disturbing is what I believe is > a long-standing bias toward glamorizing - or at least romanticizing - Rock > performers' tendency toward premature, drug induced and/or violent death, which > ironically limited the extent of their art (Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Lennon, > Cobaine, Moon, Gaye, Holly, Marley, Presley, Cooke, Redding - am I missing > anybody else on that list ?) Bonham, Brian Jones, Tim Buckley, Richard Manuel, Stevie Ray, Dennis Wilson, Duane Allman, Richie Valens, Danny Whitten, Pigpen, Gram Parsons, Jim Croce, Mama Cass, Nick Drake, Phil Ochs, Elvis, Mark Bolan, Terry Kath, Sid Vicious, Lowell George, Mike Bloomfield, Harry Chapin, James Honeyman Scott, Peter Tosh, Jesse Ed Davis, Roy Bucanon, a number of members of more recent bands, I forget which and let's not forget the living casualties: Syd Barrett, Peter Green, Ozzy Osbourne, Courtney Love, Liza Minelli, > Some but not all of these people might be worthy of > making this list on the merits - but they did not / could not - except > arguably for Lennon and Presley - stand the test of time, I think most of them stand the test of time, even Elvis, but precious few are in Joni's league, agreed. Lennon & Hendrix perhaps. And certainly Dylan, even if he hasn't had the commercial sense to die early. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 15:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: jmdl - please help Hello folks, I'm trying to enter my pic (yes, it's about time you'd know how i look like) and some personal words into the members page - but it just don't seem to work. could someone please help me with some instructions? I realy don't know what to do... Love and thanks, Nuri Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 00:53:56 -0300 From: "Caio Nehring" Subject: Fw: jmdl - please help Subject: jmdl - please help > Hello folks, > > I'm trying to enter my pic (yes, it's about time you'd know how i look like) and some personal words into the members page - but it just don't seem to work. > could someone please help me with some instructions? I realy don't know what to do... > > Love and thanks, Nuri> > it happened 2 me 2 months ago. but i've just let it go. I thought i was one of those only ones who did not succeed on the job...now i know it makes us at least 3... Help Us... Caio NP - Thomas Newman's American Beauty OST ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 02:01:15 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 5 On April 5 the following articles were published: 2000: "A Case of Joni" - Advocate (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=486 2000: "Stone Temple Pilots Added To TNT Joni Mitchell Special" - Launch.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=488 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #94 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)