From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #86 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, March 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 086 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 [Ken ] Joni in Love Actually [=?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= ] Re: Please take me off this mailing list! [Ken ] Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence ["kerry" ] Re: amiright.com [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: The Tysons -- Ian & Sylvia & Clay -- now SJC ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 Ok that does it. I can't keep up. I've just opened a note pad file on my desktop called "Music To Listen To" Nellie McKay is on the top of the list. Thanks Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >The recording engineer on Dark Side Of the Moon was Allan Parsons. > >The recording engineer on Abbey Road was Geoff Emerick. Unless there are 2 >Geoff Emericks in the music business, he also produced the debut album by >the punk-ass, classically trained, insanely inventive, Nellie McKay. > >How many songwriters have a 2-disc debut on Columbia Records? In addition, >she plays piano, recorder, vibes, and much more. She croons like an old >pro, then cusses with offhanded zeal on the next track. Holy crow, this >woman has talent. She has a full-on team of talent along for the ride, >fleshing out many stylistic changes. > >Either she's psychotic or she's the real thing. > >Very sincerely indeed, > >Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:44:32 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= Subject: Joni in Love Actually I'm guessing this may well have been discussed while I was on sabbatical, if so apologies for the repetition. I saw the DVD of Love, Actually last night which was mostly quite dire apart from the Joni stuff. Emma Thompson's character is shown being derided by her husband (who is on the brink of an office affair) for still listening to JM and her characters says "I love her, and true love lasts a life time". Later on in the movie Thompson's character is expecting/hoping to get a necklace she has aleady seen from her husband for Christmas (which he has actually given to his mistress) - the package turns out to be a copy of Both Sides Now. There is a good moment where her character is going through the emotional impact of this on her alone while listening to the BSN version of BSN, it fits the moment very well and seems to encompass her pain and longing. Anyways, sorry if this came up already. - --------------------------------- WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:45:19 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni's French ancestry, ref.: 1998 "Morning Becomes Electric" In onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 085 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:02:43 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 27 On March 27 the following articles were published: 1988: "Joni Mitchell Brushes up her Style" - Detroit Free Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=970 1998: "Morning Becomes Eclectic" - KCRW-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=748 .... and in the second one, Joni said, "I have French blood." This is the first time I remember reading, in either the archived articles or on the list itself, that Joni has French ancestry. I recall previous mention of Irish, Scottish, Norwegian and Indian (Native American, First Nations). Comment? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:51:39 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence A magazine I received recently (I tried to find the review again, but was unable) of the new Indigo Girls album (as is my wont, I use the term "album" for the content, irrespective of the medium, e.g., compact disc, tape cassette, Internet download) says one of the Indigo Girls cites Joni as an influence, and in fact, said new album contains the I.G.s' cover of a Joni song. As I can't find the review, I can't say which Joni song, but Bob M., if this was not on your radar screen heretofore, it is now. Meanwhile, an "underwriting announcement" (on public radio station WXPN) touting an appearance by Jonatha Brook at the Philadelphia (or vicinity) venue The Strand says, in part, "Influenced by Joni Mitchell, Jonatha Brook appears at The Strand .... ." Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:58:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's French ancestry, ref.: 1998 "Morning Becomes Electric" --- Timothy Spong wrote: > > .... and in the second one, Joni said, "I have > French blood." This is the > first time I remember reading, in either the > archived articles or on the > list itself, that Joni has French ancestry. I recall > previous mention of > Irish, Scottish, Norwegian and Indian (Native > American, First Nations). > Comment? Yeah, Joni's fullashit! :-D ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:22:57 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence one of the Indigo Girls cites Joni as an > influence, and in fact, said new album contains the I.G.s' cover of a Joni > song. As I can't find the review, I can't say which Joni song, but Bob M., > if this was not on your radar screen heretofore, it is now. Unless there's a bonus track out there somewhere, the only Joni cover they have done is "River" on the live "curfews" album. Maybe she was referring to this. Victor, who's seen Emily twice this week but she's always with her butch girlfriend who's not very friendly Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com one of the Indigo Girls cites Joni as an > influence, and in fact, said new album contains the I.G.s' cover of a Joni > song. As I can't find the review, I can't say which Joni song, but Bob M., > if this was not on your radar screen heretofore, it is now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:27:01 +0000 From: "Patty Krull" Subject: Please take me off this mailing list! Please take me off this mailing list. Too much politics. I thought we were going to discuss music! Sincerely, pmkrull@hotmail.com > > > > > : >-------- > Re: Sarah Harmer, njc [Ken >] > Nellie McKay, part 1 ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" >] > Re: Sarah Harmer, njc ["ron" >] > Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [dsk >] > Today's Library Links: March 27 >[ljirvin@jmdl.com] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:10:34 -0500 >From: vince >Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC > > >> I wonder about people who always claim that truth is whatever they > >> decide it is in the constructs of their minds. Sure, there are > >> individual and subjective interpretations but how would they like > >> it if they were falsely accused of a crime and on trial and their > >> defense lawyers presented all the "facts" that would serve to > >> prove they were innocent. Then the jury comes back convicting > >> them anyway because "it's not about facts, there is no absolute > >> truth, and truth is whatever I believe it to be in the constructs > >> of my mind." Geez. > >> > >> > >> >Kate gave us a link to a New York Observer article which includes this >line: "...the Clinton administration foiled the Millennium plot to blow >up LAX..." > >I have no recollection of anyone in LA currently posting offering a >thank you to the Clinton administration. > >I realize this is an inconvenient "fact" but since some people have all >"facts" and "truth" while the rest of us have just "constructs" of the >mind [a very arrogant and insulting phrase by the way but what do I know >since I am without the "facts" and "truth" and limited by my mere >"constructs"] > >I want to see the Clinton administration thanked. > >Vince > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:24:13 +0100 >From: Emiliano >Subject: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc (for aol, non-mac users) > >Wally says: > > > man, first desultory, now forte. is there any word in english that i >know > > how to pronounce?????? > > wally, loving all things phonetic > > > >yeah, dear, english is cuh-ray-zee! >Emiliano, so out of time... > > > > > > > Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - > > > George Jean Nathan > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:04:09 -0500 >From: Deb Messling >Subject: RE: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc > >Oh my god I'm 48 years old and an English major, and I've been >mispronouncing "desultory" too! I wonder how you pronounce "Philippic." >(I'm alluding to the Simon and Garfunkel song, for the benefit of the >younger listers here). > >My theory is that people who are avid readers mispronounce a lot of words, >because they have a huge vocabulary of words they've seen in print, but >never heard spoken. I've been in situations where I'm talking and start a >sentence intending to use a word I suddenly realize I have no idea how to >pronounce. > > > >At 02:56 PM 3/26/2004 -0300, you wrote: > > >desultory! i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not > >de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. > >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:50:16 -0500 >From: vince >Subject: njc George Harrison > >I tonight have purchased the last item that I needed to own all the >official George Harrison and Beatles official releases on cd and dvd - I >am so happy! > >and with having all the Janis and Joni official releases out there I >feel so very acquistionally American. > >I have the Joplin box set next to the George box set and they are >getting along well in a decorative sort of shelf art way--- Joni's TLog >cover makes her look a standoffish lost next to George and Janis > > >Vince NP if you don't know where you're going any road will take you there > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:58:19 EST >From: Smurfycopy@aol.com >Subject: amiright.com > >An interesting site if you're into parodies and misheard lyrics. Here's >what >they have for the Joanster: > >http://www.amiright.com/artists/jonimitchell.shtml > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:07:37 -0500 >From: Ken >Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc > >I did take a listen to Terry Gonda. Taste. Who understands it. Both >Sides Now >was probebly the one piece on the album I didn't like. >Then again I never really liked Judy Collins version either. >Thought the rest was pretty good. >Ken > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > > >Since you mentioned it though, I'll mention that just > >yesterday Terry Gonda released her CD called "Love, Lose, > >Repeat" and it's available at CDBaby. Those of us who have > >heard it were blown away by her outstanding version of > >"Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:08:23 -0500 >From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" >Subject: Nellie McKay, part 1 > >The recording engineer on Dark Side Of the Moon was Allan Parsons. > >The recording engineer on Abbey Road was Geoff Emerick. Unless there are 2 >Geoff Emericks in the music business, he also produced the debut album by >the punk-ass, classically trained, insanely inventive, Nellie McKay. > >How many songwriters have a 2-disc debut on Columbia Records? In addition, >she plays piano, recorder, vibes, and much more. She croons like an old >pro, then cusses with offhanded zeal on the next track. Holy crow, this >woman has talent. She has a full-on team of talent along for the ride, >fleshing out many stylistic changes. > >Either she's psychotic or she's the real thing. > >Very sincerely indeed, > >Jim L'Hommedieu > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:24:02 +0200 >From: "ron" >Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc > >hi > > > >>>>bob wrote > >>>>Those of us who have heard it were blown away by her >outstanding >version of "Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT.<<<<<< > > > >>>>>ken replied > >>>>> I did take a listen to Terry Gonda. Taste. Who understands it. Both >Sides Now was probebly the one piece on the album I didn't like. Then again >I never really liked Judy Collins version either.<<<<< > >taste is definitely *very* subjective. imagine how boring life would be if >popular taste was the final arbiter. > >anyway - count me in the group who think shes pretty damn good. > >but i really dont think shes made BSN her own. rather, i think shes done >what joni tried to do on T'Log. shes infused it with a world weariness, a >retrospective viewpoint filled with a lifetime of experience. you really >get >the picture - shes seen clouds from both sides now, repeatedly, not just >once or twice. > >she got the words wrong tho (i think??) - "but now they only black the sun" >:-) > >this one goes on my shopping list. > >but im 100% with ken on the judy collins. in fact i never quite got any of >judy's music at all. > > >ron >np - terry gonda - jean > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 01:28:42 -0500 >From: dsk >Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc > >Deb Messling wrote: > > > > My theory is that people who are avid readers mispronounce a lot of >words, > > because they have a huge vocabulary of words they've seen in print, but > > never heard spoken. > >Oh, yes, I think so, too. One word I learned from reading and then >mispronounced when I said it was "awry". I'd heard it in my head as >AWE-ree instead of uh-WRY, which is so much easier to say I remember >being happy when I learned how to say it correctly. > >Another enjoyable "really?" experience as a kid was reading a book with >lots of French "oui"s in it and thinking ow ow ow, and then I found out >it's the much more pleasant sounding weeeee. That was nice. > >The one word I always have trouble saying is "rural", and since we lived >on a country road when I was growing up, our address was a Rural Route >number (and that's "root" not "rowt"), so I had to say it more than I >wanted to. The urrr part of rural tickles my tonsils, which then makes >me laugh, and then I really can't get the word out. I don't know of any >other tonsil-tickling word in English. Other people can say rural >without having to intensely concentrate, but I can't. > >To back up to some earlier messages: > >Supper is the evening meal. Dinner is the big midday meal, especially on >Sunday around 1 or 2 after church, even for families who don't usually >go to church (like ours). If it's a day with a dinner, such as a Sunday >or holiday or most days when people still worked the farm, then that >evening's meal is lighter and is called supper. If it's a day with lunch >as the midday meal (and I think "lunch" may be a rather new term), then >dinner is the evening meal and it's still the biggest one of the day. (I >didn't realize that dinner/supper was so complicated.) > >I don't know anything about Arrowhead Mills peanut butter, but do know >that their organic yellow cornmeal makes the very best hush puppies! >Flourless and yummy and easily pronounceable! > >Debra Shea > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been in situations where I'm talking and start a > > sentence intending to use a word I suddenly realize I have no idea how >to > > pronounce. > > > > At 02:56 PM 3/26/2004 -0300, you wrote: > > > > >desultory! i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not > > >de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Deb Messling -^..^- > > messling@enter.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:02:43 -0500 >From: ljirvin@jmdl.com >Subject: Today's Library Links: March 27 > >On March 27 the following articles were published: > > >1988: "Joni Mitchell Brushes up her Style" - Detroit Free Press > (Interview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=970 > > >1998: "Morning Becomes Eclectic" - KCRW-FM > (Interview - Audio Transcription) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=748 > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2004 #134 >***************************** > >------- >Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- >Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:25:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence Timothy Spong wrote: > (as is my wont, I use the term "album" > for the content, irrespective of the medium, e.g., compact disc, tape > cassette, Internet download) I use this term, too....it is just as correct (or incorrect) as it was during the LP days....I believe the term "album" comes from the days of 78 rpm records, with one song per side. Collections of several records were sold in books that looked like photo albums. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:32:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Terry gonda bsn, caroline & coyote >Terry Gonda released her CD called "Love, Lose, Repeat" and it's available at CDBaby. Those of us who have heard it were blown away by her outstanding version of "Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT. Anyway, you can sample BSN as well as her own songs at: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/terrygonda< Her bio says my friend caroline aiken sings backup harmony! Cool... You may remember me raving about caroline's version of coyote when we played together a year or so ago... Talk about making a song your own! She rrrrrocked this one... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:24:24 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Please take me off this mailing list! Sarah harmer Nellie McKay Loreena McKinnett George Harrison even some Joni Mitchell This ain't music? Patty Krull wrote: > Please take me off this mailing list. Too much politics. I thought we > were going to > discuss music! > Sincerely, > pmkrull@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:58:25 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence Tim wrote: >A magazine I received recently (I tried to find the review again, but was >unable) of the new Indigo Girls album (as is my wont, I use the term "album" >for the content, irrespective of the medium, e.g., compact disc, tape >cassette, Internet download) says one of the Indigo Girls cites Joni as an >influence, and in fact, said new album contains the I.G.s' cover of a Joni >song. If I remember correctly, I read that on the back of their 2nd album (actually it was a CASSETTE at the time) before I had even heard it. When I saw that, I knew they were going to be good and I've been listening to them ever since! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:52:46 -0800 From: "Brian Hernandez" Subject: [none] Hi everyone - I'm a new member of JMDL, although I'm a longtime fan of Joni Mitchell. I joined a couple of weeks ago and have been sitting on the sidelines being an observer. First off, let me deliver a BIG HELLO to Kate Bennett from Jean Mann. Jean is a very dear friend of mine and we've known each other since grade school in Bellingham, Washington. Kate, Jean says the two of you played a gig together in Santa Barbara and also at the recent Folk Alliance get-together down in San Diego. She hopes you're doing well and that the two of you will play together again soon. I'm planning to host a house concert for Jean Mann in Ojai this coming October. I live in LA, but a friend has a big, beautiful yard in Ojai, perfect for outdoor concerts. Jean & I did this last October and it was a big hit. If anyone is interested in Jean's music (she's a very gifted singer & songwriter) check her out at - www.jeanmann.com. If anyone is interested in attending the house concert, let me know and I'll send more details as the date draws closer. Take care everyone...I'll jump in here again soon! By the way, I love the JMDL......it certainly goes in a lot of interesting directions! Brian [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:58:48 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: amiright.com The Blue Guy wrote: <> Amateurs, amateurs. I should have my own JMDL page on misheard lyrics!! Hugs, Ashara, Queen of Joni Mondegreens ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:22:59 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: The Tysons -- Ian & Sylvia & Clay -- now SJC Dear Smurfy & Joni Folk: Here is a site for Clay Tyson with sound clips: http://www.quartette.com/Clay/Tyson.html I am a big Ian & Sylvia Fan---they were my first introduction to Joni via their 1966 recording of "The Circle Game." The covers database on JMDL erroneously lists the release date of Ian & Sylvia's cover as 1968. Their cover seems a bit bouncy, but it made me anticipate STAS from age 11 till age 13 when Jonis devut came out. Here is Sylvia's official site: http://www.quartette.com/sylvia.htm A site for the great box from Vanguard of their complete recordings for that label: http://www.vanguardrecords.com/ian-sylvia/ An interview with Sylvia about their heyday w/ Richie Unterberger: http://www.richieunterberger.com/tyson.html And Ian's official site: http://www.iantyson.com/ Ian wrote "Four Strong Winds" and Sylvia wrote "You were on My Mind" Mitch & Mickey are loosely based on Ian & Sylvia, but their biographies don't correspond. I saw Ian and Sylvia separately in the late 80's at the Birchmere in Alexandria, VA. Both of them are still going strong, albeit not as a duo, to this day. Richard I'd be interested in hearing from others about I&S. - -- ---Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Smurfycopy@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:47 PM To: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; myrtlmoo@ticon.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: The Tysons -- Ian & Sylvia & Clay -- NJC That Trawna thang Catherine says: > Maybe it's just a Trawna thing. >> Speaking of things Trawna, I did a search last night for Ian and Sylvia because a friend of mine claims to be living in the house where "Four Strong Winds" was written and I realized I know little about them. Now I know that they were/are very good looking and had a son in the mid-60s named Clay Tyson who lives in Toronto. Although I & S divorced years ago, they each still perform solo, and Clay is also a musician/performer. My question to Trawna folks and anyone else who may know: Have you ever heard Clay's music? What did you think? Did you know that Ian was a rodeo performer in the 50s who was sidelined by an injury and taught himself to play guitar while recuperating in the hospital. Sound familiar? Also, I found separate writing credits for "Four Strong Winds" -- one for Ian, and one for Sylvia. What's the real story? And were they supposed to be the inspiration behind the lead characters in "A Mighty Wind?" I think I read that here once, but their stories don't seem similar. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 02:07:19 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 28 On March 28 the following articles were published: 1988: "People in the News" - Associated Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1101 2000: "Music Scoop" - E! Online (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=711 2003: "California dreamin'" - Boston Globe (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1076 2003: "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" - JMDL (Review - Tribute) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1077 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #86 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)