From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #82 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 082 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #81 [Melissa ] Fw: Travelogue Update (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements [Catherine McKay ] Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Bugs within the JMDL site ["Les Irvin" ] Today's Library Links: March 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:17:00 +1100 From: Melissa Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #81 Just checked out the links, and there is also a painting titled 3The Arrangement2. Clearly a fan! From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:00:08 -0500 (EST) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #81 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Jack Vettriano/South Bank Show That's so funny - just this past week I found a print by this artist (who I had not heard of before) and we used it as inspiration for decorating the bedroom in the house we just bought. here are links where you can view the paintings mentioned in the show - also found some new joni-inspired works: sweet bird of youth and the arrangement. jenny edith and the kingpin: http://www.vettriano-art.com/exhibition4.html shades of scarlet and sweet bird of youth: http://www.vettriano-art.com/exhibition4.html the arrangement http://www.vettriano-art.com/exhibition2.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:05:09 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Travelogue Update (for aol, non-mac users) Hi! I was sound asleep! ;-) Entire Wally's post is below: Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano Wally says: one thing's sure: all the people that i have been trying to turn on to joni for the last 30 years and i could never persuade to listen to more than 30 seconds of her old material have COMPLETELY fallen for t'log. i play the original versions, i compare the piano parts with the new orchestral arrangements, i offer them money -- no matter what i do, they still prefer the t'log versions. how in the name of every deity in heaven and in the nether regions can this happen?????? wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:30:08 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re:Travelogue Update Bob Muller wrote: "Maybe some will take this as blasphemy...I spun T'log a couple of times last week, and I actually seem to like it better than I have in the past- perhaps getting used to the different arrangements or whatever, I'm not sure...BUT one thing that struck me is that some of these tracks would work better as instrumentals than they do with Joni's vocal. Not because her vocals are bad (although some do lack the power to match the orchestrations), but rather because the intimacy of the lyrical content doesn't match up with the grandiose sound of the orchestra. Has anyone else has this thought? Give a listen to T'log and see if you don't think that on some of these tracks Joni's vocal isn't more of a distraction." Well, coincidentally, I listened to Travelogue this week, too. When it came out, I was one of those who objected to the negative reviews based on one listening. The main reason was that I had made that mistake more than once before, and did not want to repeat it again (or watch others fall into that trap). The second reason is that I think it is generally difficult to absorb all that Joni's stuff has to offer in a few listenings and feel she has earned my patience as a listener. That does not mean that I doubt a listener's belief, based on only one listen, that they would never come to like T - "not my cup of tea" is very different from "lousy tea" - the latter being a connoisseurs boast (but do any of us really have more sophisticated taste in tea - viz "art and music" - than Joni ?) Anyway, after a year's worth of listening, I concluded that I felt it was a flawed record, with many bright spots - and posted to that effect. Perhaps the lack of fit of vocals to instrumentation are part of the reason, as Bob suggest - I agree that that balance is hard to achieve. I also think that some of the more intimate songs do not fit well with so much orchestration - so much so that they should not have been selected (especially Circle Game and For The Roses). However, I now wonder whether even my long withheld conclusion was premature. Every time I listen to T, I like it more. More and more, I am preferring the re-workings on T as much as or more than the originals - a litmus test for me. I no longer decide to listen to it with trepidation that I may not like - I now look forward to it. Maybe it will be that the older I get, the more I will like it. Seriously, in terms of demographics on this list, I wonder - if we took a survey - whether we'd find a statistical bias in the "grading" of this record that correlates statistically with the ages of us listeners. My point being that Joni's more recent works (BSN and T, and to some extent TTT) may require an older soul and slower heart and body to appreciate and ultimately warm up to. Sort of the growing older gracefully concept, and creating her art from within herself (and our accepting that). Joni may have done that here better than I initially realized. One thing that does not surprise me is that she continues to be able to surprise me. She's really something. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: [none] Hi Bob. I've said all along that I would like to hear completely instrumental version of the songs on T'Log. There would have to be some changes to the arrangements, but I think it could be great. (The Boston Pops do Joni...) Actually, I'd like Arthur Feidler to rise from the dead and do the arrangements. Now, THAT would be something!!!! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:42:05 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/2 T Stephen wrote: "The conclusion I've come to is that TLOG would have been better as just one CD! A few of the tracks just don't do much for me but a lot I find very moving and worth the re-working!" I had that thought, too. In a sense, I believe that asking Vince to arrange so many songs turned out to be just too big a task - either for the budget, for for his capacity as an arranger. The end result may have been that too many tracks were uninspired, and perhaps even that those that were somewhat inspired were not as inspired as they might have been. Perhaps Joni should have allowed Vince to do with her set list what she herself had done with Mingus's offering - pare them down to those that he get a feel for/ be inspired by. Anyway, I offered to do a poll about which 11 tracks we would pare the record down to - but I only got a handful of responses. Too bad, IMO. Even the handful were looking sort of interesting on paper :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:15:52 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements Anne writes: << Actually, I'd like Arthur Feidler to rise from the dead and do the arrangements. >> Which reminds me . . . I think many of the songs on T'long have a cinematic feel, as if John WIlliams or (more likely, perhaps) someone from '40s or '50s Hollywood arranged them. And one of the songs, I forget which one now because it has been so long since I listened to T'long, opens like the grandiose Marlboro cigarette theme from the '60s! (Maybe that was Joni's idea of a joke . . .) - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:04:07 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] LOGO contest 2004 Thanks Claud! I can't wait to see what our talented group comes up with!!! db >>> claud9@comcast.net 3/22/2004 10:17:02 PM >>> 3I2m always running behind this train2 .... If that is you, don9t let time slip away!!! We have about one month left to gather up logo contest entries. Don9t think you have nothing to contribute in terms of visual talents, or think you aren9t good enough to bother. It is amazing what we can come up with when we just let go of needing it to be 3special2. Just have fun with it. Experiment. Get your kids involved, your neighbors, your uncle...Put on your favorite Joni album and just go ahead... See what happens. Every year has been made special this way. It adds a sense of belonging, never mind the cups, posters, stickers, pics, t-shirts and other marvelous junk ;-) Below is a copy of the original Logo contest information! HAVE FUN, Claudia LOGO CONTEST 2004 Unleash your CREATIVITY!!!!! Right, that9s what you9ve been waiting for ;-) !!!! So, here it is -- time to think about a logo for this year9s Jonifest * JONIFEST 2004!!!! Once again, have fun and explore with your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors, pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative implements! Then enter your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest 2004 to: logocontest@jmdl.com Of course, like with all contests, here are the.... CONTEST RULES: 1) Please no copyrighted pictures/drawings. 2) Please keep the Logo simple for ease of reproduction. 3) It should include the words Jonifest 2004 somewhere in the Logo. Feel free to make up a slogan as well, if the spirit moves you. 4) Prize: Undying gratitude from the Jonifest community and the ENORMOUS prestige of having your logo used for top secret Jonifest things. As in last year, there will be a wonderful prize as well, to be given to the winner. (To be determined.) 5) All entries must be received by May 3, 2004. Everyone out in JMDL land will have a chance to vote for their favorite logo. So get your muses spinning .....and most importantly HAVE FUN!!!! Much inspiration, Claudia (logo contest volunteer) This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:17:03 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re:Bugs within the JMDL site I was starting to think I was being picked on when I discovered my photo was missing from the profiles...then I thought maybe someone just wanted it and removed it for their own . Anyhow...I e-mail Les about the problem a few weeks back and he concurred it was probably one of those pesky bugs. I haven't try to upload it again so I don't know about that end of the problem. Les offered no solution, I said call the exterminator. Just thought someone might like to know... Jonily Yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:08:13 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: 1/2 T Ok so this would have made a great single CD IMO (not in this particular order); The Dawntreader You Dream Flat Tyres Woodstock Amelia God Must Be A Boogie Man The Last Time I Saw Richard For The Roses Otis & Marlena Cherokee Louise Be Cool Borderline NP: Talula - Tori * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Re: 1/2 T > Stephen wrote: > > "The conclusion I've come to is that TLOG would have been better as just one > CD! A few of the tracks just don't do much for me but a lot I find very > moving and worth the re-working!" > > I had that thought, too. In a sense, I believe that asking Vince to arrange > so many songs turned out to be just too big a task - either for the budget, for > for his capacity as an arranger. The end result may have been that too many > tracks were uninspired, and perhaps even that those that were somewhat inspired > were not as inspired as they might have been. > > Perhaps Joni should have allowed Vince to do with her set list what she > herself had done with Mingus's offering - pare them down to those that he get a > feel for/ be inspired by. > > Anyway, I offered to do a poll about which 11 tracks we would pare the record > down to - but I only got a handful of responses. Too bad, IMO. Even the > handful were looking sort of interesting on paper :-) > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Anne writes: > > << Actually, I'd like Arthur Feidler to rise from > the dead > > and do the arrangements. >> > > Which reminds me . . . I think many of the songs on > T'long have a cinematic > feel, as if John WIlliams or (more likely, perhaps) > someone from '40s or '50s > Hollywood arranged them. And one of the songs, I > forget which one now because > it has been so long since I listened to T'long, > opens like the grandiose > Marlboro cigarette theme from the '60s! (Maybe that > was Joni's idea of a joke . . .) > I was listening to Billie Holliday's "Lady in Satin" a few weeks ago (talk about painful) and it struck me how much IT sounded like Travelogue (but if course, that would mean Travelogue sounded like IT, because IT came first.) Anyway, I find "Lady in Satin" painful to listen to because of Billie's voice - this woman was a wreck at the time, months away from death (and apparently "Lady in Satin" was Billie's personal favourite). The arrangements to me sound pretty saccharine, but that's the kind of arrangements they were using back then and given Joni's love for Billie, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what Mendoza was going for. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:Bugs within the JMDL site --- Warrenkeith91354@aol.com wrote: > I was starting to think I was being picked on when I > discovered my photo was > missing from the profiles...then I thought maybe > someone just wanted it and > removed it for their own . Anyhow...I e-mail Les > about the problem a few weeks > back and he concurred it was probably one of those > pesky bugs. I haven't try to > upload it again so I don't know about that end of > the problem. Les offered no > solution, I said call the exterminator. Just thought > someone might like to > know... My pic was missing too and I tried to re-upload (re-upload?) it again last night but got an error message. Haven't told Les yet but will if I try again & it doesn't work this time, as I think sometimes these things are just temporary glitches. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:13:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements Catherine said: "given Joni's love for Billie, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what Mendoza was going for." Yes, you can definitely hear that with some of Joni's vocals and it is not to great effect. It just makes her sound frail as well when she's really not. There are other songs where she pushes herself vocally so she can when she chooses to. Bob NP: David Frizell, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:39:15 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Bugs within the JMDL site > My pic was missing too and I tried to re-upload > (re-upload?) it again last night but got an error message. > Haven't told Les yet but will if I try again & it doesn't > work this time, as I think sometimes these things are just > temporary glitches. Hi folks... Yes, there are bugs aplenty in the JMDL site these days. The transistion to the new server was pretty rocky. For starters, the mail system went kaplooie and I lost 90% of my incoming mail. So if you emailed me and I ignored you, it probably means I didn't get it. The new server seems to be better but restricts "file operations" which the last server allowed. Basically, they don't allow unauthorised web surfers to put files on their system, which is what the photo upload process basically is. There is a workaround, I just haven't gotten to it yet. Thanks for everyone's patience. (Joni content->) Also, be sure to sign up for Jonifest folks! This year will be the best ever. http://www.jonifest.com Finally, I'm obsessed with this band from Australia, The Waifs. Anyone heard them? Great stuff. Les... off to lurkdom once more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:24:23 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 24 On March 24 the following articles were published: 1988: "Mitchell album touched by surrealism" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=888 2002: "The Sad Side of Being Joni Mitchell" - Montreal Gazette (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=760 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #82 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)