From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, March 15 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow [Garret ] [none] [Garret ] Re: joni's lowest note? ["J.David Sapp" ] Starbucks Make Music [Garret ] Re: joni's lowest note? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: McLuhan (SJC) (Round II) ["Timothy Spong" ] move on, joni [Kate ] Re: John Kelly show [Bobsart48@aol.com] Subject: re: Shadows and Light ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: John Kelly show [Michael Paz ] Move on, Joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: Move on, Joni ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Today's Library Links: March 15 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:18:15 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Just one more reason why joni's songs are so special:-) well observed Steve. GARRET np- nothing but wind rattling the window "amelio747" wrote: The line "since I was 17 I've had no one over me" always held special meaning too, coz that was when I first left home! Though I know it's meant like "I've been an independent woman since I was 17", it still makes me think of me! NP: Pancake - Tori (I now appreciate this song so much more) * * * * * * Stephen T - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:40:31 +0000 From: Garret Subject: [none] Lucy, Catherine Damian Rice is superb!!!! I remember talking about him on list last year or the year before; spurred on by Lieve, i think, having seen him as Glastonbury. I just cant stop singing his songs; i keep singing delicate and cannonball in my head, out loud walking down the street, even though im the worst in the world for remembering lyrics so my version makes little sense, lol. well now Amie is on replay in my brain too! if you have not got the album O, you should invest in it. It is money well spent. And his concerts..... WOW!! I saw him at the Witnness music festival in Dublin last summer, in front of about 20000 people and he was still as intense and amazing as ever. i love when people on-list mention artists other than Joni that i like (and since im currently in Patti Smith overdrive, dont get me started there!! ill be seeing her twice next week here in London, on st patricks day she is doing a gig at my college, and the next day she is doing a poetry benefit at Giles in the Fields church). GARRET npimh- Damian Rice, Amie!! Catherine wrote: I've heard Damien Rice. I love the song, "Amy" or "Amie" (or however he spells it - the one about reading the Story of O.) and Lucy wrote: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:30:54 -0000 On the musical front please, ifyou have any access to it, do have a listen to Damien Rice... Brilliant... Iwas given "O" for my birthday (by my 15 year old son.. who has wonderful taste in music) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:42:29 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: joni's lowest note? Listen to the exquisitely beautiful lows on Travelogue's The Last Time I Saw Richard. Sublime. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:21:29 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Starbucks Make Music I find this quite an odd idea. given that Joni is played so often in Starbucks, i wonder if the 250,000 songs mentions includes; california, Blonde in the bleachers, amelia, black crow, night ride home, come in from the cold, big yellow taxi and all the other joni songs that i've heard played in Starbucks. Will this take off? If they offer their instore songs this would be interesting. I've often been in Starbucks (including when i worked there) and found myself going "this is an *amazing* song" to Marianne Faithful, Sarah McLachalin, Richard Thompson, Kelly Jo Phelps and many others that i've lost memory of. Problem is that i soon forget the name of the song i heard and am left with a vague impression that i heard a good song in starbucks. GARRET ____________________________________________________________________________ from rollingstone.com Starbucks Brews Up Music Wainwright, Harmer to play at service's unveiling Starbucks is partnering with Hewlett-Packard to launch an in-store service that will allow customers to download music and burn discs in the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee. With major labels already signed on, more than 250,000 songs -- with a selection ranging from Britney Spears to Ray Charles -- will be available for purchase. Over the next couple years, Hewlett-Packard will furnish some 2,500 stores with computers, CD burners and printers for album art. The minimum purchase will be five songs for $6.99, while complete albums will sell for $12.95. The first such store will open in Santa Monica, California, on March 16th. After a press conference, Rufus Wainwright and Sarah Harmer will perform outside on the Third Street Promenade. Starbucks declined requests for comment on the new service. COLIN DEVENISH (March 12, 2004) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:39:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's lowest note? And don't forget the low note on "Melody In Your Name" that goes so low she can't sing it, and has to retune her guitar. It occurs when she's singing : "Dawnlight on a skyline bridges' span" She could probably hit it now. :~) And come to think of it, it would have been pretty cool to include a couple of these early unreleased gems on T'log. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Iron Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:46:44 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: McLuhan (SJC) (Round II) Randy Remote wrote, [ on Re: McLuhan (SJC), on Sat, 13 Mar 2004 at 13:34:27 -0800 (eight hours earlier than Universal Coordinated Time/Greenwich Mean Time)] > > >Timothy Spong wrote: > > > ... and when you go to the essay, you read, inter alia, that "McLuhan >said > > 'the medium is the message.' " > > > > Actually, this is a common misquote. What Marshall McLuhan said was, >"The > > medium is the massage." > Randy responded: >That's right, and after all these years, I still have no idea what that >means....the misquote makes more sense >RR, in need of a massage Tim comments: It is somewhat explained here: http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/mdic/mcluhan.html > Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:20:23 -0600 From: Kate Subject: move on, joni Mary: > But I do think that, after a certain point, there is a time to stop dwelling > on all the trifling and not-so-trifling negative points from the past, and > either take pride in what you HAVE accomplished. . . or move on to something > else. Hi Mary! I'm sorry to respond to your rare post from lurkdom by disagreeing with you, and I hope it won't keep you from posting again, and often. I am speaking in general when I say what follows, not implying that you or you alone said the things I am speaking to. What are "trifling and no-so-trifling negative points" to some, are obviously not trifling to Joni. Imagine telling Gloria Steinem to stop commenting on the injustices women face in the world, or expecting Germaine Greer to overlook the way insidious as well as overt social and cultural attitudes toward women affect our lives. Hell, no! We may get sick of hearing about it and think they are just repeating a shrill strident rant that's getting old and going nowhere, but sexist inequality still exists and I can't imagine either of these feminist activists "moving on" and not mentioning it again. Or being expected to do so. Or hey, maybe the gay folk could stop talking about their hurts from, and frustrations with, the prejudices in this world? Because we've heard it before, after all, and we'd just rather not keep hearing about it? Why don't they just count their blessings and behave themselves? What's with these Gay Pride rallies and this running up to Canada to get married stuff? Do the rest of us really want all this in our faces? Let them do what they want, but we don't want to see it or hear about it. (I'm being flip, but I've heard these sorts of remarks from plenty of straight people.) Yes, Joni has had many successes. More successes than failures; so she should be a gracious lady and not repeat her diatribe that the music industry and the media attitude have been and continue to be unfair and even disrespectful and stupid? that it isn't necessarily the 'best' or the most deserving that get the fame and the respect and career success? That's kinda like saying North American women have it so good compared to women in other parts of the world, that we have no business bitching We should be thankful for what we've got and move on! We shouldn't concern ourselves any longer with matters that displease us. If you speak about injustice much, or the disappointments in your life, there will always be people who get tired of hearing about it and wish you'd keep your mouth shut. Move on! After a while, we just don't want to hear it any more. But to suggest that Joni is just trotting out the same old whine is ... well, okay, maybe she is! Because there is as much truth to it as there ever was. So she should just keep mum, because she's said it before? Or she "should" get beyond her response to it and come up with a newer and more acceptable one? When have you ever known human nature to be like that? Some resentments never go away, even if you do manage to keep them under wraps so you can appear to be above it all. It's difficult if not sometimes impossible to act the beneficient lady when something pisses you off, but hey, that's what we're supposed to do if we're a queen in our own right, is it? Make like Queen Elizabeth II in public? Pretend we barely notice the imperfections, it doesn't matter, that we're too sophisticated and classy to be affected? That we're too cool to get hot under the collar and stay that way? Mature, gracious ladies spout off too, if they have the guts. And Joni does. And she'll keep spouting off, I hope, as long as she feels it's necessary and as long as the situation -- or her memory of it -- picks her ass. I'd like to think that Joni is a big enough person to be generous and gracious toward other musicians, and I am sure she often is, but that doesn't make good copy. But even if she is a conceited diva -- so what? She's earned the right to be. No false modesty for our Joan. She IS a genius and doesn't short-sell herself. 'Course, we aren't too comfortable hearing such self-confident sentiments coming out of a woman's mouth. And criticizing and undermining the successes of others? Isn't she just being a jealous, small-minded bitch? I don't think so. Why should she stop talking about any subject when she has something to say? Even if she's said it before? The bullshit is still going on, isn't it? If Joni Mitchell is commenting upon a situation 10,000 times and I think she has nothing new to say, it wouldn't be the first time. As with her music, which continues to surprise and dazzle me with aspects I didn't hear in it the first 10,000 times I listened to a particular song, she's worth listening to. My critical thinking may not be up to snuff when I mention Joni's attitude toward the music industry in the same breath as feminist and gay problems in society. I'm sure you can poke lots of holes in my logic. But I hope I've managed to make my point that if Joni Mitchell has something to say, all power to her. Maybe eventually it will make a difference in the world, but not likely. However, they say abused women discuss their abuse an average of 30 times before they take action to get out of the violent situation and "move on." Maybe Joni is still working through some similar mental/emotional process herself. Kate du Nord - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:21:18 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kelly show I got to catch John Kelly's "Get Up and Jive: Even More Songs of Joni Mitchell" last night at the Fez in Greenwich Village (Lafayette St. at Great Jones - sort of 3rd St.) For those who do not know of the place, Fez is a nightclub (capacity maybe 150 people) in the cellar of the Time Cafe. Scene of the Joni concert with the Carly/Chrissy tete a tete. John Kelly appears already morphed into Joni, blonde hair, red full length dress. Plays electric guitar (with a VG-8, I believe) a la Joni, including the tunings, and sings true to Joni's form and close to her key. Also morphed into Joni in terms of the raconteuring et al. Most of the story telling begins straight up, true to Joni's own stories, then breaks into satire, some comic relief and occasionally a tasteful touch of more risque vaudeville - sort of perfect for the nightclub cafe setting. The music is by and large straight on. Occasional moments of playfulness with the lyrics (by the time we got to Wigstock, e.g.). Zecca Esquibel as Georgia O'Keefe on the synthesizer did a wonderful job with the piano parts and harmonies, and took the third verse of Circle Game (60 springs, and 60 summers gone now). High quality, wonderful performances by Kelly and Zecca (and a fine job by their sound man, too). This is a show that should not be missed by any JMDLer who has not seen it. And the price is very reasonable. Still there for two more weekends (Fridays and Saturdays only). Don't know if tickets are still available. The set list (not necessarily in exact order, and I may be missing a song or two, but not that I can recall) was Morning Morgantown For Free Cactus Tree A Case of You (dulcimer - with some visual gags featuring that instrument) Woodstock (absolutely mesmerizing LOTC rendition - amazing, really) Harry's House/Centerpiece (fantastic, too - full song, including piano break and "when you coming home Harry" etc vocal intelude - with a bit of karaoke-style backup music layered in - Kelly blew the timing at the end of Centerpiece, so they had to shut it off for the last verse, I think) Slouching Toward Bethlehem (another killer version, good rhythms on the synth) Fiddle and the Drum (excellent, a capella of course) Circle Game (audience participation requested and delivered) Blue Night Ride Home A great time was had by all. Enthusiastic, Joni-knowledgeable crowd. We (my wife, daughter and her friend) got there just before 7, when seating began. Had dinner (very good food, too). Show started a 8, and lasted about 75-80 minutes. Catch it if you can. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:46:44 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: re: Shadows and Light Mia, Good catch. If I recall correctly, the basic idea of the Allegory of the Cave was that we are as unfamiliar with Reality as someone trying to understand the outside world by the shadows thrown on a cave wall. She's on that topic in "Sweet Bird" too. Recall this: Joni Mitchell said, >No one knows< >They can never get that close< >Good guesses at most< >Guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching< I think the '76 Spectrum show was the first time I heard her flesh out the lyric to "good guesses". All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu You said, >Speaking of Shadows and Light.....has anyone ever read Plato's "The Allegory of the Cave" (from The Republic VII)? Maybe this has been mentioned previously on the list, but The Allegory also has themes of "shadows and light," "justice vs. injustice," "slavery vs. freedom," "the governors vs. the governed," "the educated vs. the uneducated," "perception vs. misperception," and "divine element in the virtue of wisdom." I am convinced that Joni's "Shadow and Light" is based on "The Allegory of the Cave." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:15:20 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Woman of Heart and Mind Hi, Bob! Many thanks for your review! (I was waiting for you words, indeed). Surely was a very interesting meeting (as you review): I don't know no other of these American Masters documents, but the Joni Mitchell; WOHAM is a piece of art, so well conceived! Susan Lacy made a great great work producing it: it's sad to read about financial difficulties regarding these projects. By the way, surely in Dylan's case they're going to discard *tons* of material (he's the man of the never-ending-tour! I only hope they decide to show some footage from his performance in front of Johannes Paulus II (that were a good aim, Bob) Just a little joke: > 4. American Masters policy is not to show the artist advance footage prior > to completion (showing ?) of the film. In this case, Joni begged, and Susan > let her see 10 minutes in advance. Caveat - no smoking in the center. Joni > agreed, and stuck to the 10 minute agreement without pressing for more. Not easy > for Joni to do. Susan confirmed that "Joni's a big talker". One of the > interviews lasted 7 hours, counting Joni's digressions and general raconteuring. Well, it smoking wasn't allowed, of course Joni didn't ask for more time: I'd bet she'd be very nervous watching it ten minutes without a cigarette on! Well, thanks again, Bob; I'm glad you've enjoyed the John Kelly show at the Fez, too! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Amelia, Kanata, 30/10/98 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:23:14 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: John Kelly show Hi Bob- Thanks for the report. I have been dying to see the fab John Kelly for years now but can't seem to be in the same place at the same time with him. I did do some programming for his VG-8 as well as acquire it for him. He was very sweet and sent me a hard shell case for my own VG-8 and his book which is so beautifully done. I hope to get to see him in NYC this summer. Best Paz > I got to catch John Kelly's "Get Up and Jive: Even More Songs of Joni > Mitchell" last night at the Fez in Greenwich Village (Lafayette St. at Great > Jones - > sort of 3rd St.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:39:58 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Move on, Joni Kate, I appreciate what you have written here about Joni expressing her experiences and feelings. Your analogies make al lot of sense. It's true that if someone is treated unfairly, that they need to express it, sometimes several times. It is helpful to have another person listen. I want to hear what is on Joni's mind. And if is still on her mind I still want to hear it. Joni, long live the tongue and the bell. Your gift goes on... spread your light... when your feeling content well then you tell it ( alright by me ) when your are tired of the silent night... then you yell it... strike every chord you feel. Marianne Hii Mary! I'm sorry to respond to your rare post from lurkdom by disagreeing with you, and I hope it won't keep you from posting again, and often. I am speaking in general when I say what follows, not implying that you or you alone said the things I am speaking to. What are "trifling and no-so-trifling negative points" to some, are obviously not trifling to Joni. Imagine telling Gloria Steinem to stop commenting on the injustices women face in the world, or expecting Germaine Greer to overlook the way insidious as well as overt social and cultural attitudes toward women affect our lives. Hell, no! We may get sick of hearing about it and think they are just repeating a shrill strident rant that's getting old and going nowhere, but sexist inequality still exists and I can't imagine either of these feminist activists "moving on" and not mentioning it again. Or being expected to do so. Or hey, maybe the gay folk could stop talking about their hurts from, and frustrations with, the prejudices in this world? Because we've heard it before, after all, and we'd just rather not keep hearing about it? Why don't they just count their blessings and behave themselves? What's with these Gay Pride rallies and this running up to Canada to get married stuff? Do the rest of us really want all this in our faces? Let them do what they want, but we don't want to see it or hear about it. (I'm being flip, but I've heard these sorts of remarks from plenty of straight people.) Yes, Joni has had many successes. More successes than failures; so she should be a gracious lady and not repeat her diatribe that the music industry and the media attitude have been and continue to be unfair and even disrespectful and stupid? that it isn't necessarily the 'best' or the most deserving that get the fame and the respect and career success? That's kinda like saying North American women have it so good compared to women in other parts of the world, that we have no business bitching We should be thankful for what we've got and move on! We shouldn't concern ourselves any longer with matters that displease us. If you speak about injustice much, or the disappointments in your life, there will always be people who get tired of hearing about it and wish you'd keep your mouth shut. Move on! After a while, we just don't want to hear it any more. But to suggest that Joni is just trotting out the same old whine is ... well, okay, maybe she is! Because there is as much truth to it as there ever was. So she should just keep mum, because she's said it before? Or she "should" get beyond her response to it and come up with a newer and more acceptable one? When have you ever known human nature to be like that? Some resentments never go away, even if you do manage to keep them under wraps so you can appear to be above it all. It's difficult if not sometimes impossible to act the beneficient lady when something pisses you off, but hey, that's what we're supposed to do if we're a queen in our own right, is it? Make like Queen Elizabeth II in public? Pretend we barely notice the imperfections, it doesn't matter, that we're too sophisticated and classy to be affected? That we're too cool to get hot under the collar and stay that way? Mature, gracious ladies spout off too, if they have the guts. And Joni does. And she'll keep spouting off, I hope, as long as she feels it's necessary and as long as the situation -- or her memory of it -- picks her ass. I'd like to think that Joni is a big enough person to be generous and gracious toward other musicians, and I am sure she often is, but that doesn't make good copy. But even if she is a conceited diva -- so what? She's earned the right to be. No false modesty for our Joan. She IS a genius and doesn't short-sell herself. 'Course, we aren't too comfortable hearing such self-confident sentiments coming out of a woman's mouth. And criticizing and undermining the successes of others? Isn't she just being a jealous, small-minded bitch? I don't think so. Why should she stop talking about any subject when she has something to say? Even if she's said it before? The bullshit is still going on, isn't it? If Joni Mitchell is commenting upon a situation 10,000 times and I think she has nothing new to say, it wouldn't be the first time. As with her music, which continues to surprise and dazzle me with aspects I didn't hear in it the first 10,000 times I listened to a particular song, she's worth listening to. My critical thinking may not be up to snuff when I mention Joni's attitude toward the music industry in the same breath as feminist and gay problems in society. I'm sure you can poke lots of holes in my logic. But I hope I've managed to make my point that if Joni Mitchell has something to say, all power to her. Maybe eventually it will make a difference in the world, but not likely. However, they say abused women discuss their abuse an average of 30 times before they take action to get out of the violent situation and "move on." Maybe Joni is still working through some similar mental/emotional process herself. Kate du Nord _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:53:10 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Move on, Joni I typed this for Marianne and I screwed up a bit. It's when your feeling *CONTEMPT then you tell it. Bree >From: "Marianne Rizzo" >Reply-To: "Marianne Rizzo" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Move on, Joni >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:39:58 -0500 > >Kate, > >I appreciate what you have written here about Joni expressing her >experiences and feelings. Your analogies make al lot of sense. > >It's true that if someone is treated unfairly, that they need to express >it, sometimes several times. > >It is helpful to have another person listen. I want to hear what is on >Joni's mind. And if is still on her mind I still want to hear it. > > >Joni, long live the tongue and the bell. > >Your gift goes on... > >spread your light... > >when your feeling content well then you tell it ( alright by me ) > >when your are tired of the silent night... > >then you yell it... > >strike every chord you feel. > > >Marianne > > > >Hii Mary! I'm sorry to respond to your rare post from lurkdom by >disagreeing >with you, and I hope it won't keep you from posting again, and often. I am >speaking in general when I say what follows, not implying that you or you >alone said the things I am speaking to. > >What are "trifling and no-so-trifling negative points" to some, are >obviously not trifling to Joni. > >Imagine telling Gloria Steinem to stop commenting on the injustices women >face in the world, or expecting Germaine Greer to overlook the way >insidious >as well as overt social and cultural attitudes toward women affect our >lives. Hell, no! We may get sick of hearing about it and think they are >just >repeating a shrill strident rant that's getting old and going nowhere, but >sexist inequality still exists and I can't imagine either of these feminist >activists "moving on" and not mentioning it again. Or being expected to do >so. > >Or hey, maybe the gay folk could stop talking about their hurts from, and >frustrations with, the prejudices in this world? Because we've heard it >before, after all, and we'd just rather not keep hearing about it? Why >don't >they just count their blessings and behave themselves? What's with these >Gay >Pride rallies and this running up to Canada to get married stuff? Do the >rest of us really want all this in our faces? Let them do what they want, >but we don't want to see it or hear about it. (I'm being flip, but I've >heard these sorts of remarks from plenty of straight people.) > >Yes, Joni has had many successes. More successes than failures; so she >should be a gracious lady and not repeat her diatribe that the music >industry and the media attitude have been and continue to be unfair and >even >disrespectful and stupid? that it isn't necessarily the 'best' or the most >deserving that get the fame and the respect and career success? > >That's kinda like saying North American women have it so good compared to >women in other parts of the world, that we have no business bitching We >should be thankful for what we've got and move on! We shouldn't concern >ourselves any longer with matters that displease us. > >If you speak about injustice much, or the disappointments in your life, >there will always be people who get tired of hearing about it and wish >you'd >keep your mouth shut. Move on! After a while, we just don't want to hear it >any more. But to suggest that Joni is just trotting out the same old whine >is ... well, okay, maybe she is! Because there is as much truth to it as >there ever was. So she should just keep mum, because she's said it before? >Or she "should" get beyond her response to it and come up with a newer and >more acceptable one? When have you ever known human nature to be like that? >Some resentments never go away, even if you do manage to keep them under >wraps so you can appear to be above it all. > >It's difficult if not sometimes impossible to act the beneficient lady when >something pisses you off, but hey, that's what we're supposed to do if >we're >a queen in our own right, is it? Make like Queen Elizabeth II in public? >Pretend we barely notice the imperfections, it doesn't matter, that we're >too sophisticated and classy to be affected? That we're too cool to get >hot >under the collar and stay that way? > >Mature, gracious ladies spout off too, if they have the guts. And Joni >does. >And she'll keep spouting off, I hope, as long as she feels it's necessary >and as long as the situation -- or her memory of it -- picks her ass. > >I'd like to think that Joni is a big enough person to be generous and >gracious toward other musicians, and I am sure she often is, but that >doesn't make good copy. But even if she is a conceited diva -- so what? >She's earned the right to be. No false modesty for our Joan. She IS a >genius >and doesn't short-sell herself. 'Course, we aren't too comfortable hearing >such self-confident sentiments coming out of a woman's mouth. And >criticizing and undermining the successes of others? Isn't she just being a >jealous, small-minded bitch? > >I don't think so. > >Why should she stop talking about any subject when she has something to >say? Even if she's said it before? The bullshit is still going on, isn't >it? >If Joni Mitchell is commenting upon a situation 10,000 times and I think >she >has nothing new to say, it wouldn't be the first time. As with her music, >which continues to surprise and dazzle me with aspects I didn't hear in it >the first 10,000 times I listened to a particular song, she's worth >listening to. > >My critical thinking may not be up to snuff when I mention Joni's attitude >toward the music industry in the same breath as feminist and gay problems >in >society. I'm sure you can poke lots of holes in my logic. But I hope I've >managed to make my point that if Joni Mitchell has something to say, all >power to her. Maybe eventually it will make a difference in the world, but >not likely. However, they say abused women discuss their abuse an average >of >30 times before they take action to get out of the violent situation and >"move on." Maybe Joni is still working through some similar >mental/emotional >process herself. > >Kate du Nord > >_________________________________________________________________ >One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  download MSN Toolbar now! >http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:33:20 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 15 On March 15 the following articles were published: 1969: "Open Letter to Joni" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=770 1998: "Dylan, Mitchell, Morrison coming" - Vancouver Sun (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=399 1998: "Hittin' The Road" - Jam! Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=140 1998: "Morrison May Join Dylan / Mitchell Tour" - Ticketmaster Live Daily website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=383 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #73 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)