From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #71 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 071 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: rickie lee jones and Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] joni's lowest note? ["Marian Russell" ] Fw: rlj sjc (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] Joni Godmother ["Laurent Olszer" ] Geffen box bonus cuts [] Re: Joni on the dulcimer [Steve Polifka ] Re: joni's lowest note? [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Geffen box bonus cuts [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] SXSW in Austin, KGSR Lineup (LJC) ["Happy The Man" ] genre and style ["jlobello" ] Re: joni's lowest note? ["Marian Russell" ] Re: joni's lowest note? ["ron" ] Joni at the Spectrum [Dave Cuneo ] Re: Joni at the Spectrum [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Godmother ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni Godmother ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni Godmother ["Lori Fye" ] Re: genre and style [Catherine McKay ] Re: rlj sjc [Randy Remote ] Re: genre and style [Randy Remote ] Re: genre and style ["jlobello" ] Shadows and Light ["Janine Sherman" ] Today's Library Links: March 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:12:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: rickie lee jones and Joni I think what wally says is true as I do remember this spat back when rickie first hit the charts... But I can't really remember who slammed who first... Too bad really that they had to play into the media version of a girl fight... Except I recall (I could be wrong) that it was joni who claimed rickie was not really a jazz musican... Who cares really... They both are imho... Regarding respect for joni as a jazz musician... about a month or so ago I wrote about my step son who attends LAMA studying guitar... (www.http://www.lamusicacademy.com/ ... If you check the website you'll see there are some impressive resumes there... Anyway they spent a day talking about joni mitchell & how she was one of the greatest of jazz musicians... He was really turned on by the shadows & light music (which I lent to him- the dvd filmed here) ... He had of course heard me talk a lot about her but this gave him a new appreciation from a jazz perspective & from people with amazing resumes... I like that she wasn't called a 'female' jazz musician either... Anyway I think this incident carries a great about of credibility even if the general population consider her a singer/songerwriter or a folk musician... Wally >joni was never very kind to rickie. there's that famous letter joni wrote to a magazine about rickie and then what she said in the interview for musician's magazine. i will look for the interview on jmdl.com. joni said things like "maybe she (rickie) wants to kill momma... she reminds me of a neighbor that would chase after me with a hatchet when i was a child because i rode my bicycle on her sidewalk..." all that rickie had said was that she didn't think that "joni walked on the jazz side of the street". (note to catgirl: rickie was not literally talking about a street that had jazz side. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:08:11 -0800 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: joni's lowest note? Listening to Impossible Dreamer this morning - lowest note is C# below middle C! I think it would be tricky for many sopranos to sing that low. Joni seems comfortable there - like that note isn't a strain. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:33:28 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: rlj sjc (for aol, non-mac users) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "Randy Remote" ; Enviado: viernes, 12 de marzo de 2004 5:19 Asunto: RE: rlj sjc > and so am i, randy. i still listen to the carpenters for god's sake. > what i meant was that joni has embarked upon this crusade that sounds > totally absurd to me. she KNOWS who and what she is. why does she constantly > have to attack other people that never did anything to her? madonna, david > letterman, suzanne vega, rickie. how can a person be so talented and at the > same time have such an inferiority complex? > i used to love reading joni interviews. i learned so much, i could almost > hear her voice. now all i see is this cheerless, dour person always > demanding more and more from a public that has given her EVERYTHING. what > have we been doing here all these years? we've created a community around > her, devoted a part of our lives to studying her music and her poetry, flown > from one continent to another to celebrate her and her art. i feel she owes > ME more than i owe her, to be frank. she has been INCREDIBLY lucky. for all > her complaining about the music industry, she's famous and very rich. she > had love and she could even recover her lost daughter. where does all this > bitterness come from? > i have had joni in my life for 30 years. and i am perfectly aware that this > is the JMDL and that i have been here from almost its beginnings. hey, if > that doesn't give me the right to have an opinion, what does? > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Randy > > Remote > > Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Marzo de 2004 09:16 p.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: rlj sjc > > > > > > pop pap she is always harping about! There's no accounting for taste. > > If she's FOS for that, I'm probably FOS for buying that first Spice > > Girls album! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:05:56 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Godmother Hi A friend of mine has a friend whose Godmother is SIQUOMB. Where do I go from here without blowing this one and only chance? Any suggestions? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:33:23 +0200 (EET) From: Subject: Geffen box bonus cuts Hi I just got the Geffen box. Those bonus tracks made me think about what else could have been included there. I know about the single mix of "Chinese Cafe" and the "Shiny Toys" remix. At least those were released. Were there others? Does someone have the "Shiny Toys" remix? What's it like? I've never even seen the actual record. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:24:25 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni on the dulcimer Hey Catgirl!! I remember on the '83 tour that she played A Case Of You on dulcimer with Russ Ferante on piano. I was close to tears as the rest of the audience- the applause was very long lasting after that piece... Steve At 06:53 PM 3/11/2004 -0800, Catgirl wrote: >Jono asked.... > >Cat,When was the last time you heard Joni play the dulcimer in concert? Thirtyyears ago maybe? > > > >I saw her in 1979 at the Mann Music Center and yes she played the dulcimer. I saw her again in > >1883, once at the Mann Music Center (near Philly, PA) and once at the Merriweather (near Washington DC) > >and both times she did play the dulicmer sooo, it has only been 20 years that she has played that baby > >out on the town. Now I do not know if she had toured again with her dulcimer but I have seen her play it live > >and it was very cool. I remember crying! > >Debi > > > > > > >**************************** >It's all a dream, She has awoke... > >**************************** >Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:44:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: joni's lowest note? Wow, that is low! I still think of her as a mezzo soprano by birth. The smoking eventually lowered her range, would be my guess. I've been thinking about where her passagio might have been. She sings Free Man in Paris quite comfortably and I think that hovers in the E and F range. I don't know if it's important to nail down her voice type, but it's interesting to think about. She had such a remarkable voice. I think about that sometimes: she is an outstanding composer and innovator, a genius poet/songwriter/crafter of words, AND on top off all that she was born with this phenomenal gorgeous voice. It's mind-boggling. Jenny Marian Russell wrote: Listening to Impossible Dreamer this morning - lowest note is C# below middle C! I think it would be tricky for many sopranos to sing that low. Joni seems comfortable there - like that note isn't a strain. Marian Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:50:32 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Geffen box bonus cuts Hi Jussi - great to hear from you! I've got that Shiny Toys remix, I'll be happy to send it to you in a .wma format which you can hear on Windows Media Player. (while I'm at it, if anybody else would like a listen, let me know and I'll include you in the mail as well). To answer your question - it's a very fun remix of the song, hard to describe the differences. I'll be interested to hear what you have to say about it. To answer your other question - what else should have been on the boxset (which should not have been in the first place but I'll not get on that soapbox today): Joni & her '83 tour band had a tour rehearsal at A&M Studios, it would be great to have a pristine copy of her "I Heard It Through The Grapevine", maybe a few of the other songs that they reworked for the tour; Banquet, Song For Sharon, etc. The versions of "Love" that she recorded for the movie. One plays during the opening credits, it's a vocal scat with Joni on guitar and Shorter on sax. The other is an alternate full vocal version that plays over the closing credits. The acoustic songs from DED she played on her 1985 BBC radio appearance on 'Rock Master Class'. Her piano version of Man From Mars And you know there may be more! Bob NP: Nada Surf, "Blonde On Blonde" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:31:00 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: SXSW in Austin, KGSR Lineup (LJC) Hello all, Wondering if there is any listers coming into Austin for SXSW and would like to get together. I will be catching a couple of the shows but mostly use the opportunity to stay away from downtown Austin. On another note KGSR (Jody Denberg interviewed Joni a few years ago) is starting work on their Live CD that they do every year. Here is the line up of in studio live performances that you can stream. All times are Central. Peace, Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: kgsr@listeneremail.net To: Craig Jenkins Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: KGSR Brings South By South West to YOU Dear KGSR Listener, 107.1 KGSR brings South By Southwest to YOU. Tune in as we welcome a steady stream of talented performers to the KGSR studios during South By South West for live performances and interviews, sponsored by Capitol Chevrolet, By George and Alice White Wines. Listen for these artists ~ (scheduled, and subject to change, listen for additions or check the website!) Wednesday, March 17 Noon ~ Bodeans, Ian McLagan & the Bump Band 5:01 Blues ~ The Holmes Brothers Thursday, March 18 Noon ~ The Thrills, Subdudes 3:15 ~ Alexi Murdoch 4:00 ~ Mindy Smith 6:00 ~ Ron Sexsmith Friday, March 19 Noon ~ Patty Griffin & band, Eliza Gilkyson & band 2:00 ~ Gary Jules 3:00 ~ Calexico 3:30 ~ Hamell On Trial 5:01 Blues ~ Charlie Musselwhite with Charlie Sexton 6:15 ~ Robyn Hitchcock Saturday, March 20 2:00 ~ Joss Stone 3:00 ~ The Mavericks TBA ~ Joan Baez You are receiving this email because you have subscribed to the KGSR-FM email list. If you want to unsubscribe... Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:06:20 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: FOS Yes Wally, but sometimes being "Full Of Shit" is what makes us so, so human. Like all of us, she's entitled to be full of shit occasionally. Jono p.s. You forgot Rachmaninoff. >...joni has always been very rude and even cruel when she referred to other musicians. some of them are excellent artists: suzanne vega, for example. she dissed everyone, except for mozart, schubert, nyro, billie holiday and edith piaff -- all of whom she considered her "peers". she even referred to other musicians as the "salieris" needed to recognize her "mozart". if rickie or suzanne or madonna didn't say, i will say it: i think joni mitchell is full of shit. she's a genius, she changed my life, she created some of the most enduring art in history, but she is FOS, from head to toes. wally< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:21:34 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: genre and style remote wrote...>Besides the above, and as much as I love Joni's piano playing, she is simply not a good enough player to keep up with Ms. McPartland. The usual format of "Piano Jazz" is to trade off backing each other up on songs, and Joni could never do it....< Are you kidding me. Joni could easily do this. The question is whether she'd want to do it (or not). remote wrote...>She has mentioned the Xmas album a couple of times (please, God, no!), I don't recall her saying she wanted to do a country album (God, while you're at it...). Country singers are typically pretty powerful voices. She'd be better off doing a Joni Mitchell album...but hey Joni, do whatever you want, you've earned it...< Yeah, whatever genre she does it in, it will still be a "Joni" album. She has a way of turning things into her own (making them distinctly her own). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:27:23 -0800 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: joni's lowest note? - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jenny Goodspeed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:44:58 -0800 (PST) > I think about that sometimes: she is an outstanding composer > and innovator, a genius poet/songwriter/crafter of words, AND on > top off all that she was born with this phenomenal gorgeous > voice. It's mind-boggling. It is, indeed! Well-said, Jenny!!! Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:11:18 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: joni's lowest note? hi jenny wrote >>>>>She sings Free Man in Paris quite comfortably and I think that hovers in the E and F range.<<<<< actually, i think that joni's lowest note was D E D :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:42:14 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Joni at the Spectrum Ciao Joniphiles, Re: Joni's 76 concert at the Spectrum in Philadelphia, is that the LA Express playing with her? Sounds like them. I especially like the version of "Shadows and Light", and of course Joni's great "For Love or Money" is on it as well. Got mine from Covers King Bob Muller. Highly recommended. Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:56:26 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at the Spectrum Yep, here's more info, and a photo of Joni from the tour: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Refuge.html Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:40:35 -0500 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni Godmother Laurent wrote and wondered: > A friend of mine has a friend whose Godmother is SIQUOMB. > Where do I go from here without blowing this one and only chance? Any > suggestions? When in doubt ... BE STILL. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:47:01 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Joni Godmother : > > > A friend of mine has a friend whose Godmother is SIQUOMB. > > Where do I go from here without blowing this one and only chance? Any > > suggestions? > > When in doubt ... BE STILL. > > Lori Be Still My Beating Heart (Sting).........Mmmmmh, ain't gonna happen that way I'm afraid. Anyway this may interest some of you because this friend is in the U.S. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:36:19 -0500 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni Godmother > Be Still My Beating Heart (Sting).........Mmmmmh, ain't gonna happen > that way I'm afraid. > Anyway this may interest some of you because this friend is in the > U.S. I know others feel differently -- and some have had great success in meeting Joni because of their determination to do so -- but I'm of the belief that we get what we need when it's time. I would love to meet Joni; it's been a daydream for the last 27 years. But I hesitate to push my luck, so to speak. Just my 2 cents. I wish I had some other advice that would help you, Laurent. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:04:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: genre and style --- jlobello wrote: > Yeah, whatever genre she does it in, it will still > be a "Joni" album. She has > a way of turning things into her own (making them > distinctly her own). Having just heard her version of "Baby Blue," I'd like to hear her do a Dylan covers album. It might be kind of weird, coming from Joni, but I'd like to hear her cover some other people's materials - and there aren't many people she seems to like enough, so that narrows the field a bit. I wonder how she'd sound doing some Laura Nyro stuff? Hmmm. Or Rickie Lee (heh-heh.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:19:16 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: rlj sjc Wally Kairuz wrote: > and so am i, randy. i still listen to the carpenters for god's sake. you what?? (backing away slowly).... > what i meant was that joni has embarked upon this crusade that sounds > totally absurd to me. she KNOWS who and what she is. why does she constantly > have to attack other people that never did anything to her? madonna, david > letterman, suzanne vega, rickie. how can a person be so talented and at the > same time have such an inferiority complex? Just kidding about the Carpenters...when I'm all alone and I know no one is listening, I sing "Close To You"... I have also in the past bitched about Joni's seeming pettiness and whining. Yes, she is rich, respected, supremely talented, etc... The thing is, that, from what I can gather, she is not really a bitter person, she laughs easily and is gracious towards her fans-as many here have related. Maybe she feels the media is a forum for righting the wrongs she perceives. Maybe she feels that just because she is the best, she should be at the top of the heap, popularity-wise. (What a ridiculous idea!) Whatever it is, she is certainly opinionated, and, as you say, would seem to be insecure. All these aspects of her personality work to make her who she is, maybe they combine to give her the drive to be highly creative. "me here chicken scratching for immortality" > i have had joni in my life for 30 years. and i am perfectly aware that this > is the JMDL and that i have been here from almost its beginnings. hey, if > that doesn't give me the right to have an opinion, what does? > wally fer sure, fer sure, and bottom line, the music is the gold. Some of the tailings may be interesting, some disposable... RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:34:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: genre and style jlobello wrote: > remote wrote...>Besides the above, and as much as I love Joni's piano > playing, she is > simply not a good enough player to keep up with Ms. McPartland. > The usual format of "Piano Jazz" is to trade off backing each other up > > on songs, and Joni could never do it....< Are you kidding me. Joni > could easily do this. I stand by my statement. She is a self taught pianist, doesn't know a B flat from a G sharp. The complex structures of this type of jazz rule out playing along by ear. It would be like driving blindfolded. The same, btw, could be said of her guitar playing. She can lead, and the others can follow, but not the other way around. I have said before that the only instrument she has jazz chops on is her voice- and I doubt she would argue. She IS a jazz composer, though. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:39:52 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Re: genre and style Maybe. There were a lot of other people on with Marie who aren't exactly piano virtuosos. So, if her voice is her only "jazz" instrument I think she'd be damn good. So, I stand by my statement. jono - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "jlobello" ; Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: genre and style > > > jlobello wrote: > > > remote wrote...>Besides the above, and as much as I love Joni's piano > > playing, she is > > simply not a good enough player to keep up with Ms. McPartland. > > The usual format of "Piano Jazz" is to trade off backing each other up > > > > on songs, and Joni could never do it....< Are you kidding me. Joni > > could easily do this. > > I stand by my statement. She is a self taught pianist, doesn't know a > B flat from a G sharp. The complex structures of this type of jazz > rule out playing along by ear. It would be like driving blindfolded. > The same, btw, could be said of her guitar playing. She can lead, > and the others can follow, but not the other way around. I have said > before that the only instrument she has jazz chops on is her voice- > and I doubt she would argue. She IS a jazz composer, though. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:16:06 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Shadows and Light Bob, it seems we were on the same path considering the lyrics to S and L this week, live and studio versions. I just recalled that I read somewhere (one of the books out on Joni, me thinks) that she penned the lyrics to that song in one fell swoop. Perfection from the get go and set them to the music. Anyone else remember reading that? How's that for genius? NP: Neil Young 's Greendale (in my head from tonight's concert at Hershey.) Now, that was some unique concert- leave it to Shakey, who is none- the- worse for aging or his bout with the polio. Whew. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:09:22 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 13 On March 13 the following articles were published: 1968: "Joni Mitchell pleases audience at Le Hibou" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1146 1970: "Blood, Sweat and Tears Wins Grammy" - New York Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=811 1974: "Joni Mitchell Gives Warm Performance" - Portland Journal (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=808 1998: "Joni Mitchell Confirmed As Bob Dylan Co-Headliner" - Ticketmaster Live Daily website (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=382 2000: "Both Sides Now" - People (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=597 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #71 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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