From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, February 29 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 058 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: raving raveen raven curls ["ron" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #57 [StDoherty@aol.com] 3 joni mentions in february uncut ["ron" ] Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita gabrielle T] Re: moral judgements, SJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Message from JMDL Fiction page [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge [Catherine McKay ] Re: Message from JMDL Fiction page [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:14:13 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls hi cul >>>>> swoooosh...right over the bean Joni Mondegreen club? whazzat? heres the explanation of "mondegreen" "Why are they called "mondegreens"? The term was invented in 1954 by a writer, Sylvia Wright, who described how she had misheard part of a Scottish ballad, "The Bonny Earl of Murray." "They hae slay the Earl of Murray/And Lady Mondegreen," was how Wright interpreted a stanza. For years, Wright mused about the enigmatic Lady Mondegreen who had died so tragically with her liege. Only later, much later, did she discover that the villains had slain the Earl of Murray -- and laid him on the green. " ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:42:49 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #57 In a message dated 2/28/2004 3:02:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: I wonder if Emmylou and Joni have crossed paths. They've both worked with Neil Young. For the Vanity Fare (music issue) cover three years ago at the very least ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:29:01 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: 3 joni mentions in february uncut hi 1) movies to die for daniel ryan, guitarist with "The Thrills" picks out "the virgin suicides" & says: "The whole band love this film. First, the soundtrack is amazing. Its not just the songs by Air, but theres other great songs on there by Joni Mitchell, Carole King, and Todd Rundgren...." ??was there really a joni song in this movie - & if so - why isnt it listed at "joni in fiction"??? 2) review of joan baez's "complete geffen recordings" "Baez, like Judy Collins, subsequently struggled to maintain popularity against the likes of Joni Mitchell, and Carole King, who significantly, were also intuitive songwriters" 3) review of joni's "complete geffen recordings" Jonis lost '80s, Retrieved and repackaged While it's unusual to highlight sleevenotes, Joni's own to this four disc box are remarkable. She slams the record company for burying this uncommercial work, and disses individual tracks. She confesses to recording with Don Henley, the replacing him with :Lionel Richie, who happened to be across the hall. As sleevenotes go, they're more dramatic than most novels. Pity we cant say the same about the music, not her most productive era. Wild Things Run Fast (1982) is pretty, and the Chinese Cafe / Unchained melody" segue is lovely, but 85's Dog Eat Dog is drowned in booming Duran - Ish drums. Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm" has moments, especially My Secret Place with Peter Gabriel, while '91s Night Ride Home is musically drab, if (of course) lyrically superb. There are three unreleased demos, (including one of Dylan's "Its All Over Now, Baby Blue). She couldnt find a vital voice in a decade she admits she hated. Still, if the whole hesitates, multiple lines glow with poetic precision. A collection worth reading chris roberts ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:27 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge Hi All I have always wanted to have Hejira played at my funeral - but my friends tell me it's too long and that I should omit it and stick to my other choices - The Deadwood Stage as my coffin comes in the back door and Just Blew in From the Windy City when my ashes are scattered. Whilst Im doing this I went to the Shed in Bedford (UK where we held the Joni 60th Party in November last year)to see Amy Wadge who was described as the Welsh Joni Mitchell in the local paper. I thought she was nothing like Joni (apart from singing, playing guitar and piano brilliantly) but goodness her album Woj is full of such great songs. Has anyone else seen her? I was thinking I might give up my job and just follow her tour- like I did with Joni in '83. However, I was 20 years younger and didn't have a mortgage then. However, it's very tempting! I think our southern colonial cousins (Paz, Giselle, Donna etc.)would like her loads. Yours excitedly Anita np- Breathe Amy Wadge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:19:14 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: moral judgements, SJC In a message dated 2/27/04 6:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Jennifer Faulkner wrote: > > >Colin, ya sound angry. > > > you must be very talented to get that from an email. > > >Humans had to eat meat before, but it's no longer necessary to survive. > > > > > that is your opinion, not a fact. > People have to make up their own mind what to eat and not eat without > others making moral judgements about it. Hi Colin, Yes, Jennifer is very talented... I know her well. She is very sensitive and very sweet! I like your last statement, "People have to make up their own mind what to eat and not eat without others making moral judgements about it." Morally judging others based on what one's "set of time and change is touching" can be very dangerous and very cruel. Love, Laura NP: my son Michael on drums! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:59:56 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Message from JMDL Fiction page Bob, have you lost all my contributions again ? I didn't notice any of the ones I posted months ago. As I recall I sent them all to you a second time because you were unable to locate them. Here's another: The " First Thaw " edition of the Coldwater Creek catalog contains a Joni mention from a clever copywriter. On page 6 an exquisite pair of reversible earrings bears the title of " Both Sides Now." These pierced earring of antiqued sterling reverse from a vivid heart shaped red onyx on one side to a filigreed heart on the other. You can even remove the heart and wear just the filigreed posts. That sounds a bit like three sides now... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:06:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge --- Anita gabrielle Tedder wrote: > Hi All > I have always wanted to have Hejira played at my > funeral - but my friends > tell me it's too long and that I should omit it and > stick to my other > choices - The Deadwood Stage as my coffin comes in > the back door and Just > Blew in From the Windy City when my ashes are > scattered. Hejira might not be such a bad choice. Maybe you could drop a verse or two? Hmm... I'm travelling in some vehicle (a funeral car) I'm sitting in some cafe (the funeral parlor) A defector from the petty wars (life) That shellshock... LIFE ... away (?) and so on... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:37:19 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls Cul wrote: <> I defer this question to Chuck E. who always explains Mondegreens much better than I. Take it away Chuck!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:31:17 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: 3 joni mentions in february uncut ron wrote: > 3) review of joni's "complete geffen recordings" > > Jonis lost '80s, Retrieved and repackaged > > While it's unusual to highlight sleevenotes, Joni's own to this four disc > box are remarkable. She slams the record company for burying this uncommercial > work, and disses individual tracks. > > A collection worth reading But is it worth eighty bucks to read it? (I already have the MFSL version of Wild Things, the other 3 albums I never listen to, and 3 unreleased demos just ain't enuf....Please, Joni, let me help you design a proper box set! ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:12:57 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls Thanks for the hand-off, Ashara (hey, Barb and I are going to register any day now for the Northeast Jonifest comin' up soon at Camp Balmy Love in the beautiful Catskills, you can count on us!) Badda-bing! Mondegreens, eh? This is a term applied to 'misunderstood lyrics' - when the ear or comprehension fails, the mind fills the gaps, even when it makes no sense whatsoever. We have kicked around 'mondegreens' ever so many times in the list (but I'm always ready for another round), regarding misunderstood lyrics in general, and Joni lyrics in particular. The term 'mondegreen' comes from an essay originally published in the New Yorker in the mid 50's, by a frequent contributer in those times named Sylvia Wright. The 'mondegreen' article is collected in a volume of essays of hers (which was a MAJOR PRIZE in the Northeast Jonfest Incredible Giveaway Raffle two years ago!) entitled (something like) "Get away from me with those Christmas Presents!" Sylvia Wright coined the term after a Scotch folksong called 'The Bonny Earl of Murray' (about some war or other in the highlands vs. lowlands in a distant century past). It seems some bad guys had slain the Earl of Murray and 'layd him on the green'. Sylvia wight, hearing this song in her youth, always heard this lyric as 'slain the Earl of Murray, and Lady Mondegreen' So, to her, it was a tragedy compounded. she was shocked later in life to learn there was no Lady involved. So she wrote this essay about this 'phenomennon' and noted some other examples. There are websites now devoted to this, usually taking examples from us public in the context of the popular song (altho church hymns and litanies are also a rich vein for mondegreens.) You can Google the mondegreen archives as you wish. Here are a few favorites: - --'blessed are thou, a monk swimmin' - --'Lead On, O Kinky Turtle' (King Eternal) - --'Gladly, the Cross-Eyed Bear (Gladly the Cross I'd Bear) The Beatles... - --'In My Llife, I've Loved the Mall' - --the above mentioned 'Camp Balmy Love' (don't forget! register for Jonifest Today!) - --and the immortal 'the girl with collitis goes by' Joni monegreens are always worth a submission to the jmdl. (JC!) I had one where I always heard 'I found this empty seat in this crowded waiting room' as 'I found my self-deceit '....hmmm that sort of ups the ante on the whole tune....Ashara always heard ' Ink on a pen' as ' In Connepen ' (you know, that little town in northeastern New Jersey) also, I always heard Harry's House as 'and Harry's decoupe' not 'Harry's takehome pay'. Ok, oK. That's it for mondegreens for now. Please archive this message and pass it on to the new folk so I don't have to keep rewriting it every now and then. Don't forget to register for JoniFest today! Send in your favorite mondegreen right after that, Joni mondegreens getting extra credit... ChuckE On Saturday, February 28, 2004, at 01:37 PM, AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Cul wrote: > > < > Joni Mondegreen club? whazzat?>> > > I defer this question to Chuck E. who always explains Mondegreens much > better than I. Take it away Chuck!! > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:45:31 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls LOL!! I *told* you he would do a better job then I!!! :-) I have Mondegreened almost every single blasted one of Joni's songs. Sad, isn't it? Hugs, Ashara, in Connipin, NJ ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:30:15 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: LOL!! I *told* you he would do a better job then I !!! :-) I have Mondegreened almost every single blasted one of Joni's songs. Sad, isn't it? Hugs,Ashara, in Connipin, NJ ;-) ah so that's what it means. my favorite of all time was back in the 70's walking around singing along with Hendrix: " 'scuse me while I kiss this guy "...which later, much to my chagrin, I discovered was really " 'scuse me while I kiss the sky". :) well, I suppose being Mondegreener is not all that awful, but tell me, does the designation come with a tiara or club ring? I prefer the tiara as it wouldn't affect my bowling game quite as much as a ring might and, while on the prowl, no one automatically assumes one is married just because they are wearing a tiara. cul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:19:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Message from JMDL Fiction page **Bob, have you lost all my contributions again ? I didn't notice any of the ones I posted months ago. As I recall I sent them all to you a second time because you were unable to locate them. ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------- Warren, Bob's been without regular computer access and off the JMDL for awhile. I'm sure he'll catch up with all your submissions sometime. Meanwhile, over at Joni Covers central, I just hit cover #1400 (!!) and will be announcing Volume 50 in a couple of days. Volume 50? What the heck was *I* thinking? :~) Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #58 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)