From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #57 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 057 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni songs for funerals. ["Russell Bowden" ] re: john edwards ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: john edwards [cul ] Re: Songs for a funeral! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] if that don't beat all [Kate ] Re: raving raveen raven curls ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: raving raveen raven curls [cul ] Re: swans on grass [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: john edwards ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: john edwards ["anon anon" ] RE: Songs for a funeral! ["Richard Flynn" ] Re:Emmylou [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:49:49 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Joni songs for funerals. Aloha Gang, This is an easy one as I chose them a long time ago. HEJIRA (the song) REFUGE OF THE ROADS JOBS SAD SONG A BIRD THAT WHISTLES SWEET BIRD THE LAST TIME I SAW RICHARD TIN ANGEL THE SILKY VEILS OF ARDOR Plus a veritable host of non-joni tunes, but that's for another cyber-planet. Love from Honolulu, Russ (Passion Fruit) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:20:56 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: re: john edwards Edwards, Kerry and so on. On example of why I disagree with you. I just want to point out that neither Edwards or Kerry support gay marriage. Which is only one example of why I fail to understand why so many of you go out and vote for a candidate far to the right of your own politics. I agree that Kerry and Edwards are culturally more sophisticated and defitely more men of these times compared to Bush, but I fail to see big differences when it comes to policy. The American political landscape has seriously moved to the right the last decades. When it comes to socio-economic policies, Clinton was more right wing than Nixon. And while people tend to put the blame on Bush, and the Bush presidency surely repelled many liberals so much that they took to the streets again for the first time in 10 years, Clinton's foreign policy wasn't much different than Bush's. As Bush, Clinton relied on Great Britain as its main partner, as as Bush, Clinton's foreign policy was directed towards (Anglo-)American military hegemony. Don't forget that many Democrats, including Kerry, supported the war and only turned against the war when the mood in the country changed. Nader's vanity is clear and the fact that he broke with the Green party says enough. But to think that Kerry is a real alternative to Bush is something I fail to see. If I had the chance I'd rather vote for the vain Nader than another establishment candidate. Maybe the Greens will come with their own candidate. Even better! I think real change will not come from the Democratic establishment. Now, if you all would vote for Kucinich (who got 26 % in Hawaii, which I thought was great) or even would have for Dean (whom I didn't thrust, but ok) that would have posed a very serious problem to the Democratic establishment. I would still have advocated a progressive third candidate, but hey. Now, Kerry, is an establishment candidate and I just don't think he will make you see that little progression. When you look back, what progression, after twelve years of republican rule, did Clinton make?? I wrote this before: 40 years ago the anti-war candidate, the peace candidate supported by progressive people, who was gonna change America, was Johnson in his race against Goldwater! Look at the sh*t you got into back then. And for forty years the American Left has voted for candidates like him and you're gonna do it again. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:26:08 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: john edwards In short, dead on! Kucinich is the best of the bunch to be sure. The rest are all corporate/media slaves. Except Sharpton who is untenable for other reasons. My main concern is finding a candidate who means to create a solid resistance to the Dominionists who, by hijacking the Republic party over the last 20 years guised as the religious right, have managed to be right on schedule for their ultimate long term plan of taking over and remaking the world ready for the second coming. I know that sounds relatively conspiratist, but very few Americans are aware of the true agenda of these pychopaths. Anyone interested can see what i mean by a visit to http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml Paul Mepschen wrote: >Edwards, Kerry and so on. >On example of why I disagree with you. I just want to point out that neither >Edwards or Kerry support gay marriage. Which is only one example of why I fail >to understand why so many of you go out and vote for a candidate far to the >right of your own politics. I agree that Kerry and Edwards are culturally more >sophisticated and defitely more men of these times compared to Bush, but I >fail to see big differences when it comes to policy. >The American political landscape has seriously moved to the right the last >decades. When it comes to socio-economic policies, Clinton was more right wing >than Nixon. And while people tend to put the blame on Bush, and the Bush >presidency surely repelled many liberals so much that they took to the streets >again for the first time in 10 years, Clinton's foreign policy wasn't much >different than Bush's. As Bush, Clinton relied on Great Britain as its main >partner, as as Bush, Clinton's foreign policy was directed towards >(Anglo-)American military hegemony. Don't forget that many Democrats, >including Kerry, supported the war and only turned against the war when the >mood in the country changed. > >Nader's vanity is clear and the fact that he broke with the Green party says >enough. But to think that Kerry is a real alternative to Bush is something I >fail to see. If I had the chance I'd rather vote for the vain Nader than >another establishment candidate. Maybe the Greens will come with their own >candidate. Even better! > >I think real change will not come from the Democratic establishment. Now, if >you all would vote for Kucinich (who got 26 % in Hawaii, which I thought was >great) or even would have for Dean (whom I didn't thrust, but ok) that would >have posed a very serious problem to the Democratic establishment. I would >still have advocated a progressive third candidate, but hey. Now, Kerry, is an >establishment candidate and I just don't think he will make you see that >little progression. When you look back, what progression, after twelve years >of republican rule, did Clinton make?? > >I wrote this before: 40 years ago the anti-war candidate, the peace candidate >supported by progressive people, who was gonna change America, was Johnson in >his race against Goldwater! Look at the sh*t you got into back then. And for >forty years the American Left has voted for candidates like him and you're >gonna do it again. > >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:37:10 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! I really just want one song at my funeral, and it's not even a Joni - imagine that! Laura Nyro's "And When I Die", which I always loved (like most of you I guess, I was intro'd to it by Blood Sweat & Tears), But now that I have that "one child born to carry on" it really means a lot to me. Since I intend to be cremated, I guess you could play Joni's "Smokin'"! :~) Bob NP: Shelby Lynne, "All Of A Sudden You Disappeared" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:28:32 -0600 From: Kate Subject: if that don't beat all So I turn on the tv at about 7:20 CST last night, and hear a song from Travelogue. When the picture comes in (antique tv, practically), I see two couples dancing in a bar to Joni singing Flat Tires. And on it goes till 8:00 ... through A Case of You, Sex Kills, etc ... I watched the rest, but it was pretty goofy I thought, however fine the choreography might have been ... at any rate, it was a piece called From Time to Time by (spelled phonetically) Mose Mosamas. Perhaps this is old news to some of you but I'd never heard of it before. Kate du Nord - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:34:15 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls ok, so why (assuming here that Joni meant (at least primarily) the hair product) Raveen *curls*? isn't the purpose of that product to be a straightener/relaxer? is this reference to another "vain promise on beauty jars," or is it that the product would relax the hair and then the skinny black models perhaps rolled their hair on curlers (as opposed to leaving it "natural")? either way, i guess - another example of the artifice that Joni points out throughout HOSL...... does anyone else write like that? amazing! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:32:20 -0500 From: cul Subject: re funeral tunes for me it would be : 1) Impossble Dreamer 2) Amelia 3) Man From Mars 4) Sweet Bird ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:26:59 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls swoooosh...right over the bean Joni Mondegreen club? whazzat? AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: >Cul, now in FL, wrote: > ><exactly what she meant >...and damn it, in my universe it will forever remain raving...just like >this train...er, of thought . :) >> > >Dearest Cul, you may now officially join the Joni Mondegreen club. Who's >next? ;-) > >Hugs, >Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:43:39 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: swans on grass Greetings all ! I'm going to chime in again just long enough to say that swans are notorious for being extremely territorial birds. ( It's not just with humans but other birds as well.) I have witnessed the behavior with other swans as well as geese, and have heard many stories of assholes, of the human variety, taunting them and provoking the behavior. In my estimation that is one sad human who get a thrill from such behavior. Later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:14:30 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: Re: john edwards Melani McAlister wrote a great piece on the religious right: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030922&s=mcalister Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:14:33 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: john edwards The thing is,Bush is so horrendous and dispicable that unless we vote for a moderate like Kerry or Edwards we are stuck with the lunatic we have now...at least Kerry and Edwards are by far the "lesser of 2 evils"...Even on abortion rights alone,having a democrat in office will be a big plus... >From: cul >Reply-To: cul >To: Paul Mepschen , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: john edwards >Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:26:08 -0500 > >In short, dead on! > >Kucinich is the best of the bunch to be sure. The rest are all >corporate/media slaves. Except Sharpton who >is untenable for other reasons. > >My main concern is finding a candidate who means to create a solid >resistance to the Dominionists who, by hijacking the >Republic party over the last 20 years guised as the religious right, have >managed to be right on schedule for their >ultimate long term plan of taking over and remaking the world ready for the >second coming. > >I know that sounds relatively conspiratist, but very few Americans are >aware of the true agenda of these pychopaths. >Anyone interested can see what i mean by a visit to >http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml > > >Paul Mepschen wrote: > >>Edwards, Kerry and so on. >>On example of why I disagree with you. I just want to point out that >>neither >>Edwards or Kerry support gay marriage. Which is only one example of why I >>fail >>to understand why so many of you go out and vote for a candidate far to >>the >>right of your own politics. I agree that Kerry and Edwards are culturally >>more >>sophisticated and defitely more men of these times compared to Bush, but I >>fail to see big differences when it comes to policy. >>The American political landscape has seriously moved to the right the last >>decades. When it comes to socio-economic policies, Clinton was more right >>wing >>than Nixon. And while people tend to put the blame on Bush, and the Bush >>presidency surely repelled many liberals so much that they took to the >>streets >>again for the first time in 10 years, Clinton's foreign policy wasn't much >>different than Bush's. As Bush, Clinton relied on Great Britain as its >>main >>partner, as as Bush, Clinton's foreign policy was directed towards >>(Anglo-)American military hegemony. Don't forget that many Democrats, >>including Kerry, supported the war and only turned against the war when >>the >>mood in the country changed. >> >>Nader's vanity is clear and the fact that he broke with the Green party >>says >>enough. But to think that Kerry is a real alternative to Bush is something >>I >>fail to see. If I had the chance I'd rather vote for the vain Nader than >>another establishment candidate. Maybe the Greens will come with their own >>candidate. Even better! >> >>I think real change will not come from the Democratic establishment. Now, >>if >>you all would vote for Kucinich (who got 26 % in Hawaii, which I thought >>was >>great) or even would have for Dean (whom I didn't thrust, but ok) that >>would >>have posed a very serious problem to the Democratic establishment. I would >>still have advocated a progressive third candidate, but hey. Now, Kerry, >>is an >>establishment candidate and I just don't think he will make you see that >>little progression. When you look back, what progression, after twelve >>years >>of republican rule, did Clinton make?? >> >>I wrote this before: 40 years ago the anti-war candidate, the peace >>candidate >>supported by progressive people, who was gonna change America, was Johnson >>in >>his race against Goldwater! Look at the sh*t you got into back then. And >>for >>forty years the American Left has voted for candidates like him and you're >>gonna do it again. >> >>Paul _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage  4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:55:27 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Songs for a funeral! I first heard Peter, Paul, & Mary's version. I remembered that name, Laura Nyro, and checked out her work & became a lifelong devotee. Paradoxically, the BS&T version always got on my nerves. But it's a greast song. Written when she was still a teenager, but I know what you mean about a mature understanding of it. (I have one 23-year-old child to carry on.) Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:37 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! I really just want one song at my funeral, and it's not even a Joni - imagine that! Laura Nyro's "And When I Die", which I always loved (like most of you I guess, I was intro'd to it by Blood Sweat & Tears), But now that I have that "one child born to carry on" it really means a lot to me. Since I intend to be cremated, I guess you could play Joni's "Smokin'"! :~) Bob NP: Shelby Lynne, "All Of A Sudden You Disappeared" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:16:52 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re:Emmylou Richard Flynn wrote: > I've loved Emmylou since I used to watch her night after night in > DC clubs back in 1974 & 1975 You lucky dog! Emmylou has made alot of great music over the years-and continues to. Rhino has put out some excellent releases. It's nice when record companies do it right. I wonder if Emmylou and Joni have crossed paths. They've both worked with Neil Young. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #57 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)