From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 055 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- raving raveen raven curls [cul ] Re: Geffen songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Raveen Curls [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Re: Raveen Curls [Steve Polifka ] Re: raving raveen raven curls [Steve Polifka ] re: Geffen songs [Garret ] re - Geffen songs ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics [Randy Remote ] Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED ["amelio747" ] Fwd: co-founder of Stax dies. [jan ] Joni music on CBC's Opening Night ["michael o'malley" ] Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED [Catgirl ] Re; The Secret Life of Plants [Catgirl ] Re: friends [Catherine McKay ] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today's Library Links: February 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:42:39 -0500 From: cul Subject: raving raveen raven curls God that felt good!...I danced around the room half the night singing " skinny black models with raving curls" just like I always used to until the whole damn conspiracy about raveen/raven/raving had me questioning my sanity. Damn you... damn you all! It made so much sense to me hearing her sing raving curls, I knew exactly what she meant ...and damn it, in my universe it will forever remain raving...just like this train...er, of thought . :) cul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:25:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Geffen songs **I never listen to the lyrics of *Good friends* befor and now I love the song. I like this version better since I was never a big Michael McDonald fan. I mean I like the song but this version is just so much better (IMHO).** Hey - me too, Debi...listened to it last night and loved it. (I bought the Geffen box, pulled those 3 tracks off, and turned around and sold the box). In my mind (and perhaps in Joni's, hence its release) the song sounds so much truer when all the synthetic layers are peeled off and you're left with Joni's vocal and her piano...ahhh, bliss! Maybe someday we'll get the whole record in this form. I do enjoy the acoustic versions of some of these songs we've got on other unreleased collections. Bob, who likes Joni better with Shadows & Light as opposed to smoke & mirrors... NP: The Postal Service ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:21:17 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Bob Muller wrote: "I think really that you can sequence the songs on HOSL in any order and it works, because they don't really tell a "start- to-finish" story per se but rather examine a similar theme through several different references & profiles." I suspect you are right, Bob. That said, Joni's somewhat pompous sounding (to my ears) boast on the inner cover suggests otherwise in a sense: "This record is a total work conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally - as a whole. The performances were guided by the given compositional structures and the audibly inspired beauty of every player. The whole unfolded like a mystery." That said, after posting too hastily yesterday, I realized that In France They Kissed on Main Street is really non-urban in theme. So maybe my new order is Side 1 Don't Interrupt Jungle Line Edith Boho Dance Scarlett Side 2 IFTKOMS Hissing Harry's House/Centerpiece Sweet Bird Shadows and Light I like it. I was thinking yesterday about Blue and Hejira (the masterpieces), and about Joni's body of work even if she had not produced those two. Incredible, really :~) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:25:14 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Raveen Curls Warren replied Hi guy, I remeber the lyrics on my original vinyl being " raven curls " but before I made the post I checked the CD just to be sure - my copy from the CD also says " raven curls." I guess you're right we will have to go directly to the source and ask Joan to " straighten " the whole mess out ! Later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith Well, I agree. My (rather recent) HDCD does print "Raveen". Clearly, she is not singing "Raven". Would love to know who played around with the CD liners. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:27:00 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Re: Raveen Curls Well, I have something to ad. (LOL) Have you LISTENED to how she pronounces the word in the song? It clearly sounds to me like she is singing RAVEEN. You can't trust lyrics in her lp's or songbooks because they are filled with mistakes. Fro example, in the BLUE music book in the lyrics for LTISR, the lyric is printed: 'you've got tubes in your eyes...' lol again, Steve At 05:19 PM 2/24/2004 EST, you wrote: >Hi guy, I remeber the lyrics on my original vinyl being " raven curls " but >before I made the post I checked the CD just to be sure - my copy from the CD >also says " raven curls." I guess you're right we will have to go directly to >the source and ask Joan to " straighten " the whole mess out ! Later... > >Jonily yours, >Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:32:15 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls I always sang 'raving' myself when it first came out... Steve At 03:42 AM 2/25/2004 -0500, cul wrote: >God that felt good!...I danced around the room half the night singing " >skinny black models with raving curls" just like I always used to until >the whole >damn conspiracy about raveen/raven/raving had me questioning my sanity. > >Damn you... damn you all! > >It made so much sense to me hearing her sing raving curls, I knew >exactly what she meant >...and damn it, in my universe it will forever remain raving...just like >this train...er, of thought . :) > >cul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:21:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Bobsart said: I dunno Bob...while I stated that thematically the record works with the songs in any order (because they are so incredibly strong), I would have to say that IFTKOMS is THE perfect opening track to the record for a number of reasons: 1. Although Miles of Aisles preceded it, her last studio record was C&S, ending with the jazzy, rapid-fire vocal of 'Twisted'. Main Street picks up some of that same style, as if to draw the listener in with its similarities. Then, just when you think you're getting C&S Part II...BAMM! Up comes 'Jungle Line', and you quickly learn you're not in Kansas anymore, so to speak. 2. The song foreshadows the conflict between the dreams of youth and the realities of suburban America... "Under neon signs A girl was in bloom And a woman was fading In a suburban room" While the song sounds cheery to the untrained ear, there's a sharp contrast here and a sign of things to come. Is this a before and after picture of the same girl? Or is the 'girl in bloom' thinking about the fading woman? The latter would make sense to set up the next comment: "And I told him They don't take chances They seem so removed from romance They've been broken in churches and schools And molded to middle class circumstance" Your fantasy sequence begins the record with DITS, which would be a puzzling beginning as the lyric is inaccessible at first. (Particularly given that her last release was MOA which had more of a crowd-pleasing feel to it, despite the new arrangements of many of her songs). I think that Main Street just sets up the rest of the record so nicely, both musically, lyrically, and in terms of its foreshadowing of the subtext of HOSL. Imagine if Jungle Line started off HOSL...people would think that the record company had packed the wrong disc in the sleeve! ;~) Bob NP: Living Colour, "funny vibe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:54:00 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: eh? Hey Cul, Don't ya'll know that us Yoopers use "eh?" too, eh? Jono >Thanks, Kate...its very weird to be in Florida after more than 30 years in Canada. the last half on the west coast. I'm taking some remedial night classes where they give me an electric shock if I say "eh?" and a slice of orange if I say "y'all". It seems to be working. They got all confused one time though when I asked "Y'all like 'y'all' better than 'eh?' eh?" The smell of burnt orange filled the room and we all had to go outside for a smoke until it cleared.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:31:07 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: Geffen songs Hi Debi, i got the geffen box as a christmas gift from my father. Funny - i didnt even have to drop hints! The first thing i did was listen to the NRH album which i had never heard but had really wanted (i had never heard any of these albums actually). I couldn't help but wonder why i had never bought that one! It's so wonderful. Two Grey Rooms had me enraptured as did Slouching towardBethlehem. Initially i was not too sure about Baby Blue, but it has grown on me. It is completely remade as a Joni song on there. WTRF impressed me more than i expected - had thought i would dislike YOu're So Square; its fun. Original Be Cool is wonderful. Am still getting through DED and CMIARS and will get back to ye all in a couple of months on that one. GARRET np- Nina Simone, Another Spring Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Geffen songs Hello all, I just heard for the first time the three Joni songs off of the Geffen CD. This was the first time I had ever heard these songs and needless to say I had goosebumps. I love her version of *It's all over now Baby Blue* by Dylan. This is a very interesting version. It reminded me of *Smile on your brother* by Gino Velenti(?). Very different from the original. I never listen to the lyrics of *Good friends* befor and now I love the song. I like this version better since I was never a big Michael McDonald fan. I mean I like the song but this version is just so much better (IMHO). *Two Grey Rooms* blew me away as well. I never knew she came up with the song and then found the words later until I came back to the list recently. You know, just when you think you heard everything by Joni, someone finds something, no one has ever heard befor. Keep digging! Debi - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:51:56 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re - Geffen songs So true Debi - the piano version on Geffen really shows off the songs rhythmic nature. The whole of Dog Eat Dog really benefits from the re-mastering - so many layers of sound - truly quite remarkable. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:22:39 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics Caio Nehring wrote: > This is my first mail to all of you. > I've been reading this beatiful flow of emails getting into my outlook for > the last week, people interchanging and sharing his inner world full of > Joni's music & beauty, compositions,achievements, facts, stories and > history...and i must tell you that it has been kinda epiphanic to me. The same > way Joni's music and voice has been an epiphany in my life for nearly 35 > years...since i wanted to know who was that guy, Joni, who composed Woodstock, > one of the tracks i liked best, from my new CSN&Y's Deja Vu LP. > Somebody told me it wasn't a He: it was a She! > I must tell you as well that i'm brazilian and by that time i did not speak > english (!'m still learning...). Welcome to the list & your English is excellent, and it's the first time I've seen the word epiphanic in an email. It was epiphanic. Totally. I thought Stevie Nicks was a guy at first. > If i wanted to understand what the lyrics > meant, i had to get a good dictionary and work the lyrics out. When Tommy from > The Who came out, it took somethin' like a month to understand what it was all > about I'm still trying to figure it out! > > The astonishing thing and what really amazes me now > is that for years, i listened to Joni's records whithout understanding > what she was singing! I do that with Brazilian music...I don't understand any Portugese, but love the sound...it has to be the most sensuous language...(also Hawaiian, French) > Basically "her sounds" were what seduced me, what put a > definitive spell on me. I would say so, too. It was a big bonus that she is an incredibly gifted lyricist. > By then i did not know how strong and full of meaning > her lyrics (poetry) were. > Only in 1976, when i went to live for some time in London, and bought Hejira > as a Christmas gift 4 myself, i started ... yes? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:38:59 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED I'm sooo in love with DED right now and yes I agree David, the remastering really has paid off. I can listen to it all the way through now and I've even grown to like Ethiopia! What Joni says about the song in the booklet really hits the nail on the head! Joni always takes everything into consideration. The whole album makes some kind of sense to me. Possibly her best post Hejira album? NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown (live) - Judee Sill * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.David Sapp" To: "joni list" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: re - Geffen songs > song.> > > So true Debi - the piano version on Geffen really shows off the songs rhythmic > nature. The whole of Dog Eat Dog really benefits from the re-mastering - so > many layers of sound - truly quite remarkable. > > peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:12:27 -0800 From: jan Subject: Fwd: co-founder of Stax dies. >http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/25/obit.axton.ap/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:57:02 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni music on CBC's Opening Night Just a reminer for Canucks to set their VCR's Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. for this unusual dance show inspired by Joni's music http://www.cbc.ca/openingnight/show_timetotime.html The story: Acclaimed filmmaker Moze Mossanen's From Time To Time, a film exploring the remarkable music of Joni Mitchell through the choreography of renowned Canadian dance maker Ginette Laurin (O Vertigo Danse), airs on CBC Television's OPENING NIGHT, Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. (Please note that OPENING NIGHT is one hour on this occasion.) The film charts the emotional arc of a suburban woman's life through a breathtaking combination of dance, drama and the music of world-renowned singer/songwriter Mitchell. It stars some of the most talented dancers in the country, including Ted Banfalvi, Roberto Campanella, Rex Harrington and newcomer Emma Lu Romerein. From Time To Time is a moving portrait of a woman's life, from the initial flirtations of youth through to the disappointments and compromises of her adult years. Deepened by the extraordinary music of Mitchell, this moving film touches upon the idealism of the 1960s, the sexual experimentation of the '70s, the social turbulence of the '80s and '90s and the promise of the new millennium. The seven songs featured in the film are derived from the recent, highly acclaimed Mitchell albums Both Sides Now and Travelogue. Mitchell is one of the world's most celebrated singer/songwriters. Her body of work, including 16 albums in 35 years, is one of the most vivid and remarkable chronicles of a woman's life. Few can equal her command of her instruments, facility with lyrics, melody and arranging. Singer/songwriter Bonnie Raitt once said, "On her level, there is nobody who can touch her." From Time To Time is written and directed by Moze Mossanen (Year of the Lion, The Rings of Saturn) and is a co-production of CBC Television and Bravo!FACT, co-produced by Stephen Traynor. Executive producer of OPENING NIGHT is Robert Sherrin. The site also has a link to arcival footage of Joni from 1967. http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-580-3213&wm6=1 Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:18:40 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni music on CBC's Opening Night oh my god, roberto, michael, anyone canadian, will you please tape this for me? if you do, i'll send blanks, postage, love. i may be only one of two people on this list who knows of ginette laurin and o vertigo, but i've adored the work for 15 years. not to mention the fact that rex harrington may be the sexiest canadian man ever. this is really an exciting project, great canadian artists from wide-flung disciplines trying to work with the music of maybe the finest canadian artist ever. i am serious. this project may end up sucking, but i'd rather see this, even on film, a serious engagement with joni's art by some serious artists in someone unpopular media, rather than another tour with that hack bob dylan. patricko, frothing >http://www.cbc.ca/openingnight/show_timetotime.html > >The story: >Acclaimed filmmaker Moze Mossanen's From Time To Time, a film exploring the >remarkable music of Joni Mitchell through the choreography of renowned >Canadian dance maker Ginette Laurin (O Vertigo Danse), airs on CBC >Television's OPENING NIGHT, Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. (Please note that >OPENING NIGHT is one hour on this occasion.) > >The film charts the emotional arc of a suburban woman's life through a >breathtaking combination of dance, drama and the music of world-renowned >singer/songwriter Mitchell. It stars some of the most talented >dancers in the >country, including Ted Banfalvi, Roberto Campanella, Rex Harrington and >newcomer Emma Lu Romerein. > >From Time To Time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:45:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni music on CBC's Opening Night michael o'malley wrote: > Just a reminer for Canucks to set their VCR's Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. for > this unusual dance show inspired by Joni's music > > http://www.cbc.ca/openingnight/show_timetotime.html > > The seven songs featured in the film are derived from the recent, > highly acclaimed Mitchell albums Both Sides Now and Travelogue. > So they are dancing to Joni's recordings from BSN & Tlog? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls I would like to beleive that maybe Joni porsposely changed the word to allow the listener to make their own interpretation. I always thought it was raven curls. I like listening to what everyone else thinks but I am sticking with the black glossy hair. Debi Steve Polifka wrote: I always sang 'raving' myself when it first came out... Steve At 03:42 AM 2/25/2004 -0500, cul wrote: >God that felt good!...I danced around the room half the night singing " >skinny black models with raving curls" just like I always used to until >the whole >damn conspiracy about raveen/raven/raving had me questioning my sanity. > >Damn you... damn you all! > >It made so much sense to me hearing her sing raving curls, I knew >exactly what she meant >...and damn it, in my universe it will forever remain raving...just like >this train...er, of thought . :) > >cul *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED Oh my gawd! Ethiopia is my most favorite song on the CD! Debi amelio747 wrote: I'm sooo in love with DED right now and yes I agree David, the remastering really has paid off. I can listen to it all the way through now and I've even grown to like Ethiopia! What Joni says about the song in the booklet really hits the nail on the head! Joni always takes everything into consideration. The whole album makes some kind of sense to me. Possibly her best post Hejira album? NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown (live) - Judee Sill * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.David Sapp" To: "joni list" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: re - Geffen songs > > song.> > > So true Debi - the piano version on Geffen really shows off the songs rhythmic > nature. The whole of Dog Eat Dog really benefits from the re-mastering - so > many layers of sound - truly quite remarkable. > > peace, david *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re; The Secret Life of Plants Catherine wrote: I had to take my Christmas cactus to work because one of my cats was eating it. It's going strong but hasn't flowered since we moved offices three years ago - the light in my present office just isn't right - the things seem to need south light and my office window faces west, but mostly it just faces the condo next door Catherine, Maybe you should try sing Joni to your Cactus tree..... I am sure it will bloom! Debi *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: friends --- colin wrote: > maybe when i die, hopefully of old age, I will be > able to bribe a > bunch of people from the JMDL to come and be at my > funeral by promising > to make it a Joni only event! Well not entirely, i > couldn't do without > the NJC!(besides a Joni Only funeral would be too > dull by far) That would make it a SJC funeral, I guess. So what Joni songs would you choose for your funeral? The Circle Game? River? Dog Eat Dog? (because for short, it's DED?) Night Ride Home? (LOL) Have now removed the njc from this post because it's becoming Joni, I think. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:03:30 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing SCJoniGuy writes: 2. The song foreshadows the conflict between the dreams of youth and the realities of suburban America... "Under neon signs A girl was in bloom And a woman was fading In a suburban room" Which is why I think it segues well into the HOSL and Harry's HOuse theme, and belongs with them. So, if you like IFTKOMS as an opener, then, maybe IFTKOMS THOSL (segue) HH Sweet Bird Scarlett "Dont interruptthe sorrow Jungle line Edith Boho Dance S&L anyway, Joni thinks it came out the way it did divinely. who am I - again - to re-think that ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 02:57:53 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 26 On February 26 the following articles were published: 1972: "Joni Mitchell Returns to Toronto" - Toronto Star (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=432 2000: "The New Joni Mitchell" - London Times Magazine (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=449 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #55 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)