From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 054 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Mitchell and Jewel [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] light-jazzy husband-and-wife duo identified; was Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman... ["Timothy Spong" ] Today's Library Links: February 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Wolmann rink ["anon anon" ] eating animals [Jennifer Faulkner ] Re: Re: Raveen Curls [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: [Gertus@aol.com] Re: RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? [Warrenkeith91354@aol.co] Re: Joni Mitchell and Jewel ["mackoliver" ] Geffen songs [Catgirl ] Re: raven or raveen? [] Today's Library Links: February 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:22:46 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Jewel > The reviewer (Bernard Zuel) said: "It's not hard to see in Jewel someone who > has studied Joni Mitchell. To quote the brilliant Miss Mitchell: "I don't see it." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:48:30 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Bob Muller wrote in part about Two Grey Rooms (I cut out the "long dong"......................references, that is :-) Here's Joni's explanation, from a 1994 interview: ______________________________________________________________ "Two Grey Rooms" on the last album, for instance, was a jam. ......... We recorded it for "Wild Things" and it came out on the last album. ..........I finally found a story about a homosexual love story from a fellow from Fassbinder's crowd in Germany, a story of obsession, and when I read the story I think in Interview Magazine, I didn't think of it as making a song out of it, but it was a kind of a haunting story of obsession........ " Read the whole interview at Les' reading room: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=583 Further to that, I found this interview from a couple of years later (Robert Hilburn, for the LA Times, 12/8/96 - I first read it in Stacy Luftig's "Joni Mitchell Companion"), which was the one I had been recalling in my earlier post. http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=144 TWO GREY ROOMS (1991) I had that music back around the time of [1982's] "Wild Things Run Fast," but it took seven years to find the story to fit the music. It's a story of obsession ... about this German aristocrat who had a lover in his youth that he never got over. He later finds this man working on a dock and notices the path that the man takes every day to and from work. So the aristocrat gives up his fancy digs and moves to these two shabby grey rooms overlooking this street, just to watch this man walk to and from work. That's a song that shows my songs aren't all self-portraits. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:12:57 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Bob Muller replied (re lines from Harry's House) It's all faux. Like the blond hair; not real but rather from a bottle at the beauty parlor. As fake as Harry's relationship with his wife, his job, his life. Of course, this being one of the main themes of THOSL, may I cite from the title song a line that I feel is underrated. Amid the amazing poetry of that song (it is cutting, but it is so artistic) is the punchline, which contains another side to the story, it seems to me: "Still she stays with a love of some kind It's the lady's choice The hissing of summer lawns." I wonder why she separated THOLS and Harry's House with The Boho Dance (which feels to me like it belongs on the side with Jungle Line and Edith). In a way, I'm thinking like STAS - the first side "I Came To the City". Just a slight rearranging, really... In France They Kiss on Main Street The Jungle Line Edith and the Kingpin The Boho Dance Shades of Scarlett Conquering Then "Out of the City and Into the Suburbs" for Dont Interrupt the Sorrow THOSL Harry's House Sweet Bird Shadows and Light Just a feeling I had Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:41:05 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing I asked "I wonder why she separated THOSL and Harry's House with The Boho Dance (which feels to me like it belongs on the side with Jungle Line and Edith)." Then I remembered - The Segue. Well, I can hear The Segue II coming between THOSL and HH - Darkness, Darkness, Darkness.......WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Bobsart How about the other side, where Boho segues into Scarlett - I think that can be managed, too - or are there key change issues ? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:57:12 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Man, I've got a hankerin' to play this CD now! :~) I think really that you can sequence the songs on HOSL in any order and it works, because they don't really tell a "start- to-finish" story per se but rather examine a similar theme through several different references & profiles. You're right about the title track being underrated, but then again isn't ALL of Joni's work underrated, excepting for BSN, BYT, and a (small) handful of others? The line that always stuck out to me is the one about the room full of Chippendale furniture that nobody sits in - reminds me of my Uncle Bill's house, where there was a "purple room" that none of us kids were allowed in, with special furniture, artifacts and such. Bob NP: Little Feat, "Day At The Dog Races" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:59:28 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: light-jazzy husband-and-wife duo identified; was Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman... On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, "Maggie McNally" wrote (on Subject: RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni?): " Azeem - I used to own this album, but don't know if I still do. I'll have to look in the cabinet when I get home. But I do know the song you refer to (Mad, Mad Me). I cannot think of what song you are thinking of. I[t] reminds me of Roberta Flack or that light-jazzy husband and wife duo where he plays guitar and she sings (oh lordy, cannot remember their name), maybe, but Joni? If you think of it (or anyone else does) I'm dying to know." Almost surely, Maggie refers to Tuck and Patti. See www.tuckandpatti.com. Now, I receive the only-Joni Digest, and this question may have already been answered. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:06:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni and Jewel Well we are in the age of the manufactured star...not that jewel doesn't have some talent but it's a bit pop fluffy in content & delivery if you ask me...which certainly appeals to some folks...then there are people like patty griffin who is an amazing singer & songwriter & good guitar player... Yet she never got the support that jewel got... It's a bass ackward world... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:13:08 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 24 On February 24 the following articles were published: 1977: "Furry Lewis is Furious at Joni" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://jmdlcom.nj-web-0401.uplinkearth.com/articles/view.cfm?id=107 1991: "Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times (Interview) http://jmdlcom.nj-web-0401.uplinkearth.com/articles/view.cfm?id=162 2002: "2002 Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient - Joni Mitchell" - Grammy Magazine (Appreciation) http://jmdlcom.nj-web-0401.uplinkearth.com/articles/view.cfm?id=750 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:30:07 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Wolmann rink I was watching the news recently and they had a story about people skating at wolmann rink in Manhattan.they showed ice skaters there...I don't remember the point of the story,but guess what song came instantly to my brain? _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: eating animals Hey guys, I'm glad you said what you said because there's something I wanted to let people know about and thought about putting it on the JMDL but wasn't sure if it's okay. I recently got an email from a friend about Downers. These are sick animals slaughtered for meat. They are usually too sick to even stand up and are dragged with chains or pushed by a forklift to slaughter. Often they are left lying on the ground waiting for slaughter without any means of getting food or water. I think it's inhumane, and I think some of you will, too. You can go to www.nodowners.org to learn more about it. Also, I have information I will be very glad to send you if you give me an address. I have a postcard you can sign to help support a petition to ban the slaughter of downed animals. This isn't just an issue of being humane. This is also an issue of what we eat, if we choose to eat animals. Thanks for listening, guys. Jennifer Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:19:52 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Raveen Curls Hi guy, I remeber the lyrics on my original vinyl being " raven curls " but before I made the post I checked the CD just to be sure - my copy from the CD also says " raven curls." I guess you're right we will have to go directly to the source and ask Joan to " straighten " the whole mess out ! Later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:44:03 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: In a message dated 24/02/2004 19:41:23 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:05:30 +0000 > From: Garret > Subject: re: London calling (NJC) > > Well i dont really know you Kerry, but im in London and would be more than > interested in a London JMDL get together; it's been far too long since i saw > martin, azeem, and les. Maybe jacky would join in too? And Chris? And dr. > strings? > And of course, anyone else that i dont know/forgot to mention! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:55:10 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? Hi Mags ! I believe that husband and wife jazz group you asked about is Tuck and Patti... I have a few of their albums and have seen them in concert. later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:19:06 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Jewel Joni and Jewel? Jewel-synthetic Joni. Mellarine Joni. Yuch. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Geffen songs Hello all, I just heard for the first time the three Joni songs off of the Geffen CD. This was the first time I had ever heard these songs and needless to say I had goosebumps. I love her version of *It's all over now Baby Blue* by Dylan. This is a very interesting version. It reminded me of *Smile on your brother* by Gino Velenti(?). Very different from the original. I never listen to the lyrics of *Good friends* befor and now I love the song. I like this version better since I was never a big Michael McDonald fan. I mean I like the song but this version is just so much better (IMHO). *Two Grey Rooms* blew me away as well. I never knew she came up with the song and then found the words later until I came back to the list recently. You know, just when you think you heard everything by Joni, someone finds something, no one has ever heard befor. Keep digging! Debi *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1:05:17 -0500 From: Subject: Re: raven or raveen? It's also possible that the art dept had to redo the lettering for the smaller CD format. If they had just reproduced the 12" artwork as 5" CD covers, I don't think any of it would be legible. So, I'll bet a human being duplicated the layout as closely as possible except for a typo here and there. [Simon, I'm sure you have something valuable to add. Please jump in.] All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu > From: > Date: 2004/02/24 Tue PM 07:07:45 EST > To: > Subject: raven or raveen? > > From: Bobsart48@aol.com > Subject: Re: Raveen Curls > > Warren Keith wrote > > Greetings to all... > Just wanted to chime in. I always thought it was " Raveen" after the hair > care product too; the printed lyric on HOSL is " raven " - as in glossy hair > - - > per the dictionary. > > Well, I'll be. It does say "Raven" on the old vinyl. > > On the CD, though it says Raveen, correcting the original typo. > > More evidence that perhaps the 1 in "and John Guerin for showing me the root > of the chord and where 1 was" was also a typo on the vinyl jacket, contrary to > my earlier speculation that '1' was deliberate, and that the 'correction' > on the CD to 'I' was contrary to Joni's initial intent. Ouch. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:21:51 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 25 On February 25 the following articles were published: 1972: "Concert Is Given By Joni Mitchell" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=814 2000: "Joni Mitchell's new look at 'Both Sides Now'" - Christian Science Monitor (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=703 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #54 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)