From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #53 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 053 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Beef? [colin ] Re: Clouds [Kate ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Steve Polifka ] RE: New Orleans ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Steve Polifka ] Re: Beef? ["jlobello" ] Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics ["Caio Nehring" ] Re: Clouds [cul ] RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? ["Maggie McNally" ] RE: Clouds ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: morning morgantown [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: graham nash photos exhibition sjc ["joe farrell" ] Re: morning morgantown [Catherine McKay ] RE: New Orleans or Roatan or Cancun [Catgirl ] Joni and Jewel [Catgirl ] Morning Morgantown [Catgirl ] Re: Raveen Curls [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today's Library Links: February 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:04:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Beef? jlobello wrote: >Colin, >The point is that too many resources are spent fatting up cattle in feed lots >here in the states when the same resources (land, fertilizer, water) could be >used to feed the hungry in third world nations. > I used to believe the same. Then i dsicovered that the so called 3rd world food problems are not caused by lack of resources but by greed and politics both of their govts and ours. > And, Americans would be a far healthier >people for it. > There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with beef as far as haelth goes. However, eating less of most foods, mainly the carbs, would be more healthy. > >You are right about dogs. Dogs are carnivores. They are not equipped to handle >carbohydrates. Humans are omnivores meaning we can survive on just about >anything we eat. > Yes we can get by on almost anything-but not healthily. Whilst our bodies are better equipped to handle carbs, we should only use them in small amounts and are quite suited to only getting our carbs from veggies and small amounts of fruits. > >Total vegetarianism is a hard balancing act to follow. When I tried it several >years ago I got booted out of a vegan household (it's a funny story, I'll tell >you latter). > >I am not a vegetarian, but I probably eat only about 1/8 the meat that regular >American eat. I usually eat fish, chicken, occasionally pork and very rarely >beef (but sometimes a nice charcoal broiled rib-eye steak sure taste good ). > More or less how I eat. > I >eat lots of oatmeal, and brown rice, (both are complex carbohydrates) > comples or not, carbs such as these do cause our bodies problems. Insulin still has to be produced to deal with it. If one eats these, it best eaten justb once a day. The constant realease of insulin in our bodies to eat the high carb fiet most of us eat cause heart disease, cancers, diabetes, raised cholesterol. > beans >and lots of veggies and fruit. This time of year I eat lots of citrus with >tangerines topping the list (they are quite cheap and plentiful here). I cook >with plenty of olive oil. > With oils, it is best not to heat them too much as haeting causes them to oxidise and thus turns them from healthy to bad. AVOID like the plague trans fats and hydrogenated veg fat/oil. Hydrogenated oil/fat is really not good-it is a chemically created fat and not one that the body is equipped to handle. It causes far more problems than so called 'bad' fats, like butter. Butter and fat on meat is healthful despite the misconceptions about it ove the last 30 years. > I guess you could say I adhere to a Mediterranean >diet (see attached food pyramid). > The western food pyramid is upside down. > And, daily exercise is import here too. > yes but what we feed our bodies is crucial. > >I don't know if you caught it on earlier postings by me, but I am a fisherman, >and I also hunt birds (grouse, woodcock and turkeys)and small game (rabbits >and squirrels). > I woiuld have no difficulty doing this out of necessity. > Only if I was on >their menu would I be forced to defend myself. > I would too. > >Anyway, I ran out of steam and need to think about this a little more. >Jono > > There is plenty in this world to go around, for us all to eat well and have no one starving. However, the dark side of us cause the problems-greed, pride, lack of compassion, fear etc. I don't callt his human nature-I don't believe these are natural human traits but traits that come about thru fear. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:17:32 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Re: Clouds onlyJMDL Digest: > I was just reading from one of the articles in the Cafe that the album jacket > of Clouds shows the Saskatchewan River(?--I suppose), and depicts a local > hotel in Saskatoon(?). Anyone know the name of that hotel? Sometime this > summer I intend to drive up there just to see what kind of country this > incredible woman grew up in. I"m on digest, so I suppose this question will have been answered already, but in case of a miracle: it's the South Saskatchewan River, and the Bessborough Hotel (where Joni likes to stay; I think this is where her 'room with a view' in Face Lift is). You'll have to let me know when you're driving up to Saskratchyerass, maybe I'll come to the city and meet you for coffee and cheesecake. Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:36:38 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Yes, Bob! She describes her search for a lyric in a short appearance before the song video on her compilation Come In From The Cold video. I fell in love with the song way before I knew the story. Ironically, I lived in a 2 room apartment in a divided mansion at the time... Steve At 12:51 AM 2/23/2004 EST, you wrote: >Hi, folks. I am now only 1 week behind on my posts. So, this old topic has >probably been clarified by. > >However, I recall clearly that Joni described the Two Grey Rooms story as >having come from a short story, which was one of a gay man - an aristocrat of >sorts - leaving his house to take a room where he could anonymously view his >ex-lover walking by. > >Sad story, beautiful song. > >Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:51:40 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: New Orleans ...and also speaking of Cajons...there was an article about them in the Boston Globe recently. Made me think of you, Paz, and of warm and rainy Jonifest nights. - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:03 AM To: LCStanley7@aol.com; levatorvelipalatini@yahoo.com Cc: Joni Digest Subject: Re: New Orleans Speaking of Cajon's I got my new one after Ashara Cajonnapped mine at the last fest. I had had that one for years and had beaten the crap out of it. I miss my old Cajon. Rasing new children is so hard. I am going to have to do a rescue mission this summer in NY and get my old Cajon back (it's ok Ashara I will bring you this new one for you to train. I was thinking I could fill him up with shrimp and ups it up there LOL). Paz > Jennifer wrote: > >> Hey everybody, >> I just got back from New Orleans! The first time I had ever been. > > Hi Jennifer! > > Wish I would have known you were going... I might have asked you to > pick up a cajon for me! > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:58:42 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Here's Joni's explanation, from a 1994 interview:______________________________________________________________"Two Grey Rooms" on the last album, for instance, was a jam. It was one take with a live jam, and I threw on a sketch melody. I hadn't even thought of the melody. All I had was my chordal movement and instrumental piano piece and we jammed it up. So the melody that went onto tape was the birth of the melody. I very seldom capture that on tape. Usually by the time I come to tape, I've sung a wordless melody many, many times to the guitar part or the piano part. But in this case it was its birth and it came out like with vowels that were more common to French than English (sounds out) "long-dong," just the way -- well, I got attached to that and trying to find sonically the English that had those kind of vowels was difficult. And I thought at one point I'm going to have to write this in French, and my French isn't that good. That one took six or seven years. We recorded it for "Wild Things" and it came out on the last album. I finally found a story about a homosexual love story from a fellow from Fassbinder's crowd in Germany, a story of obsession, and when I read the story I think in Interview Magazine, I didn't think of it as making a song out of it, but it was a kind of a haunting story of obsession. And one day I was at the piano and singing this song again, and I suddenly realized that the modality, the romanticism of this melody and the romanticism, the overt romanticism of this unrequited love story were quite suitable to one another and I managed sonically to find -- to tell the story with the correct vowels and consonants. ____________________________________________________________ Read the whole interview at Les' reading room: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=583 Steve, I wonder if that "long-dong" lyric is what attractedyou to the song? LOL, sorry, couldn't resist. Bob NP: Let's Active, "Easy Does" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:17:10 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Well, no, because the song came out before her description of it. However, if I had heard THAT description BEFORE I heard the actual song... ;-) Steve p.s. I could go into a lengthy sollyloquy about 'long-dongs', but I'll refrain... (hee hee) At 09:58 AM 2/23/2004 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Here's Joni's explanation, from a 1994 interview:______________________________________________________________"Two Grey Rooms" on the last album, for instance, was a jam. It was one take with a live jam, and I threw on a sketch melody. I hadn't even thought of the melody. All I had was my chordal movement and instrumental piano piece and we jammed it up. So the melody that went onto tape was the birth of the melody. I very seldom capture that on tape. Usually by the time I come to tape, I've sung a wordless melody many, many times to the guitar part or the piano part. But in this case it was its birth and it came out like with vowels that were more common to French than English (sounds out) "long-dong," just the way -- well, I got attached to that and trying to find sonically the English that had those kind of vowels was difficult. And I thought at one point I'm going to have to write this in French, and my French isn't that good. That one took six or seven years. We recorded it for "Wild Things" and it came out on the last album. >I finally found a story about a homosexual love story from a fellow from Fassbinder's crowd in Germany, a story of obsession, and when I read the story I think in Interview Magazine, I didn't think of it as making a song out of it, but it was a kind of a haunting story of obsession. And one day I was at the piano and singing this song again, and I suddenly realized that the modality, the romanticism of this melody and the romanticism, the overt romanticism of this unrequited love story were quite suitable to one another and I managed sonically to find -- to tell the story with the correct vowels and consonants. ____________________________________________________________ >Read the whole interview at Les' reading room: >http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=583 >Steve, I wonder if that "long-dong" lyric is what attractedyou to the song? LOL, sorry, couldn't resist. >Bob >NP: Let's Active, "Easy Does" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:43:17 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Re: Beef? Collin >I used to believe the same. Then I discovered that the so called 3rd world food problems are not caused by lack of resources but by greed and politics both of their govts and ours.< And who runs the governments? Multinational corporations, maybe, eh? I agreed. Greed is a major factor here. >There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with beef as far as health goes. However, eating less of most foods, mainly the carbs, would be more healthy.< Beef in its natural state maybe,--open range and grass feed without all the hormones added. In feed lot cattle are fed large amounts of corn which they are not equiped to handle. Cattle have been literally known to explode because they can not release the gas produced by the digestion of corn fast enough. Tubes have to be pushed down their throats into their stomachs to relieve this pressure. And what about BSE (bovine songeformis encephalitis). This scares the wits right out of me, and in itself gives me incentive for not touching another hamburger ever!! BSE is directly related to Crusfeld--Jacob disease in humans, and is not a very pleasant way to die. >There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with beef as far as health goes. However, eating less of most foods, mainly the carbs, would be more healthy.< Sounds to me that you are practitioner of the Atkins diet which in my opinion should only be used for rapid weight loss. That diet is very unhealthy! >complex or not, carbs such as these do cause our bodies problems. Insulin still has to be produced to deal with it. If one eats these, it best eaten justb once a day. The constant realease of insulin in our bodies to eat the high carb fiet most of us eat cause heart disease, cancers, diabetes, raised cholesterol.< A bowl of oatmeal in the morning does me right in more ways than one. I agree the key is is moderation. You should not take in more carbs than you can burn off. >With oils, it is best not to heat them too much as haeting causes them to oxidise and thus turns them from healthy to bad. AVOID like the plague trans fats and hydrogenated veg fat/oil. Hydrogenated oil/fat is really not good-it is a chemically created fat and not one that the body is equipped to handle.< One of my specialties is lipid biochemistry and it is true that transfatty acids need to be avoided. Cold pressed oils such as olive, and grape seed (flax seed) are far more healthful and have a better balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids. Most westerns don't have enough omega 3's in their diets. Omega 3's comtribute to better cardiovascular health by breaking up and preventing plaque buildup in the blood vessels. >It causes far more problems than so called 'bad' fats, like butter. Butter and fat on meat is healthful despite the misconceptions about it ove the last 30 years.< Better than trans-fatties, maybe. I still wouldn't be eating large quantities of these a day. Maybe I'd induge in them once a week. >There is plenty in this world to go around, for us all to eat well and have no one starving.< For now maybe. The fact remains that we are above "carrying capacity" for our environment and are headed for a crash if population controls are not implemented in western societies (or world wide for that matter). However, the dark side of us cause the problems-greed, pride, lack of compassion, fear etc. I don't callt his human nature-I don't believe these are natural human traits but traits that come about thru fear.< I agree. Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: colin To: jlobello Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Beef? jlobello wrote: Colin, The point is that too many resources are spent fatting up cattle in feed lots here in the states when the same resources (land, fertilizer, water) could be used to feed the hungry in third world nations.I used to believe the same. Then i dsicovered that the so called 3rd world food problems are not caused by lack of resources but by greed and politics both of their govts and ours. And, Americans would be a far healthier people for it.There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with beef as far as haelth goes. However, eating less of most foods, mainly the carbs, would be more healthy. You are right about dogs. Dogs are carnivores. They are not equipped to handle carbohydrates. Humans are omnivores meaning we can survive on just about anything we eat.There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with beef as far as haelth goes. However, eating less of most foods, mainly the carbs, would be more healthy. Total vegetarianism is a hard balancing act to follow. When I tried it several years ago I got booted out of a vegan household (it's a funny story, I'll tell you latter). I am not a vegetarian, but I probably eat only about 1/8 the meat that regular American eat. I usually eat fish, chicken, occasionally pork and very rarely beef (but sometimes a nice charcoal broiled rib-eye steak sure taste good ).More or less how I eat. I eat lots of oatmeal, and brown rice, (both are complex carbohydrates)comples or not, carbs such as these do cause our bodies problems. Insulin still has to be produced to deal with it. If one eats these, it best eaten justb once a day. The constant realease of insulin in our bodies to eat the high carb fiet most of us eat cause heart disease, cancers, diabetes, raised cholesterol. beans and lots of veggies and fruit. This time of year I eat lots of citrus with tangerines topping the list (they are quite cheap and plentiful here). I cook with plenty of olive oil.With oils, it is best not to heat them too much as haeting causes them to oxidise and thus turns them from healthy to bad. AVOID like the plague trans fats and hydrogenated veg fat/oil. Hydrogenated oil/fat is really not good-it is a chemically created fat and not one that the body is equipped to handle. It causes far more problems than so called 'bad' fats, like butter. Butter and fat on meat is healthful despite the misconceptions about it ove the last 30 years. I guess you could say I adhere to a Mediterranean diet (see attached food pyramid).The western food pyramid is upside down. And, daily exercise is import here too.yes but what we feed our bodies is crucial. I don't know if you caught it on earlier postings by me, but I am a fisherman, and I also hunt birds (grouse, woodcock and turkeys)and small game (rabbits and squirrels).I woiuld have no difficulty doing this out of necessity. Only if I was on their menu would I be forced to defend myself.I would too. Anyway, I ran out of steam and need to think about this a little more. Jono There is plenty in this world to go around, for us all to eat well and have no one starving. However, the dark side of us cause the problems-greed, pride, lack of compassion, fear etc. I don't callt his human nature-I don't believe these are natural human traits but traits that come about thru fear. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:08:36 -0300 From: "Caio Nehring" Subject: Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics " Welcome, Caio. It's great to have someone from Brazil > here - it just goes to show how universal Joni's music > and words are. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto" Thanks a lot, really. I've just read an article at jmdl library, (Ballad of the Rude Canadian by Spider Robinson http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=613 ) that gave me shivers all over and tears followed by rage . That's sad history, waiting 33 years to come out. But anyway, my point is: Joni's blast of rage & rudeness at Tim Hardin's concert has made undenyably clear 2 me that, besides being a godess of universal words & music & images, she's a woman of attitude. That's what i call unconditional universal love. This should be Universal, especially in our 2004 world. Action, straight from the heart, not only words. Thanks, Joni, and thanks Spider Robinson for reminding us that. Caio Np: Cherokee louise/Travelogue - ...tip of the huge iceberg... Anima/Milton Nascimento ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:38:51 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: Clouds O Reine du Nord, Apologies! Gosh. I admit to traveling in S Sask the most where as you say flatness reigns supreme for the most part and I know the north, like manitoba, is an entirely different and beautiful universe of hills and lakes and trees, but most people don't get that far north in either province so I guess i was pretty much an idiot to leave that out. On the other hand. I wasn't meaning to disparage the south part at all in fact I love the prairies and lived there for about a decade, mostly in Manitoba. By empty, I meant no trees and few buildings to impede view of the horizon. Anyway, I stand humbled and chastized. cul ] Kate wrote: cul: As far as Saskatchewan itself goes it is unbelievably flat and empty with the broadest sky I have ever encountered. Saskatchewan is SO not flat and empty! Where did you travel? Yes, there are only one million people here -- is that what you mean by empty? But only the southern half of the province is flat, and even there you find the Qu'appelle Valley, the Moose Mountains, and the Cypress Hills. Central Saskatchewan, called the Parkland (as opposed to the Prairie in the south), has considerable trees and rolling land, although the once-prolific bush has been sadly cleared to make way for agricultural practices. The entire northern half of the province is covered with rivers, lakes, and trees until you get to the farthest northern points (tundra). Joni was raised in Maidstone and Saskatoon, both situated in the parkland. There is definitely flat flat land in Saskatchewan -- in the south, so treeless you can see forfriggingever -- but to paint the entire geography of the province as 'flat and empty' is evidence that you haven't seen it all. It is a common misconception, as tourists often travel the Transcanada Highway (the #1 which crosses the entire country), which goes east-west through the prairie in the south of the province. Try going south-north and you'll change your tune. I *think*. You won't see the Grand Canyon or the Rocky Mountains, but there is some pretty interesting landscape. I will try to post some magazine pictures to my web page as evidence. Unfortunately they are small and I may not be able to re-size them, but I'll see what I can do later today. In the meantime, if you poke around the journal a bit, you should come across some photos taken on both the east and west sides of Saskatoon that demonstrate there is more to the land than flatness. Not that there's anything wrong with flatness. It's just an inaccurate description when used to describe the entire province. You're right about the sky. We have the most incredible sunsets, something to do with the airstream and what it does with clouds and such. And filled with migratory birds in astounding numbers, as we (particularly where I live, two hours east of Saskatoon) are on their major flight path. One downside is that the province is cursed with a high degree of prejudice against the native population (which caused me to get into a screaming match with a city bus driver in Saskatoon at one point). Good for you. I agree, there is a lot of subtle and overt prejudice against natives in this province. It works both ways, of course. They are equally prejudiced against white people I think, whether their reasons for that are justified or not. There is such a divide between the cultures, and because of the social problems of the native people they are seen by whites as untrustworthy, violent, lazy, etc. It is a negative stereotype for sure, and unfair to the majority. Prisons and correctional centres and yes, courtrooms, are filled with native people in numbers that don't correspond to their overall population. They have serious problems to overcome; and white people here often observe that chronic criminal behaviour doesn't seem to be dealt with very effectively by the law, as repeat offenses are common. I don't know as much about all that as I'd like to, so can't claim any expertise, but am trying to offer a bit of the attitudinal flavour I pick up from other non-native Saskatchewaners. Prejudice does keep the white and native communities somewhat apart perhaps, but there is also a lot of interaction, especially in the smaller places, that you might not so readily see in the two larger cities in Saskatchewan. Kate du Nord -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is ‹ Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:38:14 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? Azeem - I used to own this album, but don't know if I still do. I'll have to look in the cabinet when I get home. But I do know the song you refer to (Mad, Mad Me). I cannot think of what song you are thinking of. I reminds me of Roberta Flack or that light-jazzy husband and wife duo where he plays guitar and she sings (oh lordy, cannot remember their name), maybe, but Joni? If you think of it (or anyone else does) I'm dying to know. As for Wendy Waldman, I remember her as a singer-songwriter from the early to mid-70s, but a net search reveals she's still going. Here is the link to her website bio. http://www.wendywaldman.com/biograph.html Enjoy! Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: AzeemAK@aol.com [mailto:AzeemAK@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:49 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? Me again. And I think this just about counts as JC. I've been listening to Maria's self-titled album (which I love, love, love); as it's on scratchy vinyl, I don't listen to it very often, and when it got to the last song, Mad Mad Me, I suddenly had a jolt - was I listening to a Joni cover that had nestled unnoticed in my collection? Does anyone else know this song, and can anyone tell me which Joni song it reminds me of? I just can't put my finger on it! It's written by Wendy Waldman, about whom I know precisely nothing. In any case, I heartily recommend the album to one and all - Maria's voice is sly, sexy, slinky, supple and other words that don't begin with 's'. Beautiful covers of Dolly Parton, Mac Rebennack and the McGarrigles, wonderful arrangements, superb musicianship, and Amos Garrett's imperishable guitar solo on Midnight At The Oasis. What's not to like? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:47:55 +0000 From: "Patricia Parlette" Subject: morning morgantown Hi again loves! Hell, those were wonderful and insightful interpretions! Thanks for giving us more to think about when we listen to HOSL. It really is my favorite these days, but then again I love them all, although I must confess that I don't know a lot of her "new stuff", i.e., post-Mingus. (I know, I know -- shame on me!!!! But I'll get to them, I promise, because life is for learning!) I am re-discovering a lot of Joni's music now that I have no child(ren) to raise, and it's so much fun doing it with new life perspectives and experiences. For instance, when I listen to Morning Morgantown now, I have a picture of Richard Scarry's "Busytown" in my mind: "the milk truck makes its morning rounds.....", "colored stop and go lights flashing..." Are any of you familiar with his work? "Busytown", and "The Best Word Book Ever"? (I had a great tri-lingual edition that we loved -- English, French and German.) It's wonderful stuff for little kids -- and grown-ups, too. Now I wish I had played Morning Morgantown while I my little boys and I cuddled on the couch together while we caroused through "Busytown". It would've have made a more complete experience for them, and maybe they'd appreciate Joni now that they are older. Now all they do is tease me about Joni. Maybe someday they'll "get it", but for now, I do have regrets, Coyotes, for not connecting "Busytown" to "Morgantown" when they were little. Oh, well -- there's always grandchildren, right Vince? Peace, Patti (one of the newbies) _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:52:48 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Clouds Breaking all sorts of personal records today for posting, but I felt moved to respond to this and so work must wait. Two of the songs you mention in your post, Jono, have such deep meaning for me. Both I Don't Know Where I Stand and I Think I Understand were part and parcel of my falling in love in 1970 when I was 18 and falling - hard - for a man who became my partner of nine years. It was the first of many times that Joni's words and music created a soundtrack, becoming intertwined with my life's memories. Her ability to capture pure feelings, distilling and transforming their facets like some kind of coal to diamond is what caught me and kept me all these years. Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: jlobello [mailto:jlobello@famvid.com] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:56 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Clouds All, A few weeks ago I bought both Clouds and STAS. STAS blew me away immediately. At the time I said that Clouds seemed "darker" to me. I have since listened to it several times and here are my three top choices besides Chelsea Morning (which is the brightest song on the album) and Both Side Now which is ubiquitous (universal). 1. That Song About The Midway 2. The Gallery and 3. I Don't Know Where I Stand. Oh, and 4. I Think I Understand. Of course, I'll be listening to it somemore and gain a better understanding of all the songs. I was just reading from one of the articles in the Cafe that the album jacket of Clouds shows the Saskatchewan River(?--I suppose), and depicts a local hotel in Saskatoon(?). Anyone know the name of that hotel? Sometime this summer I intend to drive up there just to see what kind of country this incredible woman grew up in. Jono ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:18:28 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: morning morgantown Hi Patti, I used to enjoy reading Richard Scarry's books to my son. His favorite book of all time when he was little was "Cars & Trucks & Things That Go". We read it so many times that I actually memorized it! (from memory) "Ma & Pa & Penny & Pickles are going to the beach for a picnic...here comes Ma with the picnic basket- please hurry up, Ma! First, Pa has some shopping to do..." and so on, and so on. It came in handy when I had to drive, because I could drive and read a book to my son at the same time. And we reada ton of his books, all about Lowly Worm and Huckle Cat and all those characters. The neat thing about his books is that they are so interactive. You can talk with your child for half an hour about each page because they are so busy! Anyway, on to Morning Morgantown...a lovely song. I've come to believe that it was a "fantasy" song that Joni wrote, imagining her & her daughter enjoying a lovely spring morning in a quaint town. I'd like to buy you everything A wooden bird with painted wings A window full of colored rings In morning Morgantown But the only thing I have to give To make you smile, to win you with Are all the mornings still to live In morning Morgantown I feel like she's saying that she can no longer giver her child any of the toys and childhood pleasantries, but rather in giving her up for adoption she's at least given her happy mornings in a lovely town somewhere. And it's been covered at least 7 times, not too bad considering it was never released as a single. Bob NP: Limblifter, "Beard of Bees" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:42:34 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: graham nash photos exhibition sjc There is to be an exhibition of Graham Nash's music photography, called "From Eye To Eye" in Manchester UK, my home city, from 12 March to 24 April. It will be held at the Richard Goodall Gallery and "the show includes images of Johnny Cash, Joni Mitchell and Neil Young". I just got to be there! More info available at www.richard-goodallgallery.com and www.nasheditions.com. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:01:09 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: New Orleans or Roatan or Cancun Paz my friend, If there is any way I can get to a Caribbean Jonifest, I will do it in a heartbeat. This is going to sound crazy but I actually thought about how great it would be to be around a bonfire singing "Dreamland" just the way Joni did it on "Shadows and Light" the other day. We were talking about the "Tape of You" thread and the thought crossed my mind. Unbelieveable! My preference would be the Caribbean. You are teh dream weaver Paz! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote, >As you may know I made a tearful statement at one point that weekend that I >would never do it again, but never say never right? I HAVE been flirting with >the first Caribbean Jonifest ever. _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:25:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? Wendy is a talented producer & a singer/songwriter... She is a member of the group bryndle (others are kenny edwards & karla bonoff & at one time but no longer, andrew gold) who are recording & playing again... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:37:46 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Me again. And I think this just about counts as JC. I've been listening to > Maria's self-titled album (which I love, love, love); as it's on scratchy > vinyl, I don't listen to it very often, and when it got to the last song, Mad Mad > Me, I suddenly had a jolt - was I listening to a Joni cover that had nestled > unnoticed in my collection? Does anyone else know this song, and can anyone > tell me which Joni song it reminds me of? I just can't put my finger on it! > It's written by Wendy Waldman, about whom I know precisely nothing. > > In any case, I heartily recommend the album to one and all - Maria's voice is > sly, sexy, slinky, supple and other words that don't begin with 's'. > Beautiful covers of Dolly Parton, Mac Rebennack and the McGarrigles, wonderful > arrangements, superb musicianship, and Amos Garrett's imperishable guitar solo on > Midnight At The Oasis. What's not to like? > > Azeem in London Ditto on all that. Maria never really topped this, her first album as a solo artist. Dr. John's New Orleans piano on "Don't You Feel My Leg" is delicious, too. And "Mad Mad Me" is one of my faves. One of Guitar Player mags' polls rated the Amos Garrett guitar solo on "Midnight @ Oasis" as the best of all time, and you'll get no argument from me. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:10:53 -0500 From: LMontelione@netscape.net Subject: Clouds Hotel Hello all! I just happened to drop in and find this note from Jono which brought back some wonderful memories of Saskatoon! The hotel illustrated on the cover of Clouds is the Delta Bessborough, at which Joni had often stayed on visits to her hometown. She mentions this hotel in the song, "Happiness Is The Best Facelift" from TTT. It's a beautiful place, along the Saskatchewan River in her "city of bridges." My husband, Lou, and I stayed there when we visited Saskatoon for Joni's art exhibition at the Mendel Gallery entitled "voices." I also had the extreme pleasure of meeting Joni at the exhibition opening, after forwarding a note to her upon our arrival at the hotel, where she was staying also. I also had the luck to sit next to Ashara at the Sunday brunch at the Bessborough, and through her was introduced to this great discussion list. I hope you do get the chance to visit Saskatoon, but listen to and learn Taming The Tiger and Night Ride Home first. They contain many references to specific places in Saskatoon. Love to all, Linda > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:56:08 -0500 >From: "jlobello" >Subject: Clouds > >All, >A few weeks ago I bought both Clouds and STAS. STAS blew me away immediately. >At the time I said that Clouds seemed "darker" to me. I have since listened to >it several times and here are my three top choices besides Chelsea Morning >(which is the brightest song on the album) and Both Side Now which is >ubiquitous (universal). >1. That Song About The Midway 2. The Gallery and 3. I Don't Know Where I >Stand. Oh, and 4. I Think I Understand. Of course, I'll be listening to it >somemore and gain a better understanding of all the songs. >I was just reading from one of the articles in the Cafe that the album jacket >of Clouds shows the Saskatchewan River(?--I suppose), and depicts a local >hotel in Saskatoon(?). Anyone know the name of that hotel? Sometime this >summer I intend to drive up there just to see what kind of country this >incredible woman grew up in. >Jono __________________________________________________________________ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:53:18 -0800 (PST) From: John Low Subject: Joni Mitchell and Jewel I have been experiencing computer problems for several weeks now and have had limited internet access so I've not been keeping up with my digests. However, I came across a newspaper (Sydney Morning Herald) review of a Jewel concert in Sydney last week which had some comments on Joni M. that may be of interest. If it has already been posted by some other Aussie just delete and move on. The reviewer (Bernard Zuel) said: "It's not hard to see in Jewel someone who has studied Joni Mitchell. Any sensible female singer - and any sensible male singer, for that matter - has done that. It's also not hard to see someone who has missed the point of Joni Mitchell completely. "Mitchell's mannerisms and style always served the song, not the singer. Mitchell didn't ask you to applaud her skill but to experience a new way to travel through or understand a song. What Jewel offers is technique not taste, posturing not passion." I mean no disrespect to Jewel or her fans. I am not familiar with her music at all. Just thought the comments on Ms Mitchell were interesting. Cheers, John (in Sydney) Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: morning morgantown --- Patricia Parlette wrote: when I > listen to Morning > Morgantown now, I have a picture of Richard Scarry's > "Busytown" in my mind: > "the milk truck makes its morning rounds.....", > "colored stop and go lights > flashing..." Are any of you familiar with his > work? "Busytown", and "The > Best Word Book Ever"? (I had a great tri-lingual > edition that we loved -- > English, French and German.) It's wonderful stuff > for little kids -- and > grown-ups, too. Oh yes, I remember those books. My kids loved them too because there was always so much going on in the pictures that you could make up your own stories to go along with them. "Morning Morgantown" sounds like such a song for kids to me too. I think of it as a mother-and-daughter song, from a time when the daughter was young enough to see the world through happy eyes but old enough to be able to have a conversation with. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: RE: New Orleans or Roatan or Cancun I do beleive there is a Joni Fest in the caribbean starting to form! Mike you are the host with the most...if we all put our hands together and pray to whoever it is that we pray to, maybe this could happen. And Michael, if you need any help planning the Joni Fest, I volunteer! Whoo-Hooo Joni Fest!! Deb Sherelle Smith wrote: Paz my friend, If there is any way I can get to a Caribbean Jonifest, I will do it in a heartbeat. This is going to sound crazy but I actually thought about how great it would be to be around a bonfire singing "Dreamland" just the way Joni did it on "Shadows and Light" the other day. We were talking about the "Tape of You" thread and the thought crossed my mind. Unbelieveable! My preference would be the Caribbean. You are teh dream weaver Paz! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote, >As you may know I made a tearful statement at one point that weekend that I >would never do it again, but never say never right? I HAVE been flirting with >the first Caribbean Jonifest ever. _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Joni and Jewel Some very intelligent reporter wrote, "Mitchell's mannerisms and style always served the song, not the singer. Mitchell didn't ask you to applaud her skill but to experience a new way to travel through or understand a song. What Jewel offers is technique not taste, posturing not passion." Well, I am not a Jewel fan but I must admit that I never gave her a chance. I like Joni. Now, there are others that I like, KD Lang, Annie Lenox, Chrissy Hynde even Rikki Lee Jones (let's not go there with her feud with Joni) But if I did hear Jewel on the radio, I was unimpressed that I didn't take note. Joni has always been my guru so to speak. She paints such feeling in my soul and makes me feel like I am not alone in this world with all of those feelings....she understands and gives those feeling a safe haven for me to go to. I am so grateful that I got to see her perform live. I have always wanted to meet her but that has not been my luck. Anyone who knows *Joan* and would like to intoduce her to the rest of us...please do! Joking in a Serious kind of way, Debi *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:48:00 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Morning Morgantown Catherine Wrote: "Morning Morgantown" sounds like such a song for kids to me too. I think of it as a mother-and-daughter song, from a time when the daughter was young enough to see the world through happy eyes but old enough to be able to have a conversation with. This was one of the first Joni songs I ever learned from the Made Easy for Guitar songbok. The chords in *E* tuning actually work. I have tried playing it in both standard and in the transcribe version from the JMDL site and find that I like the MEFG songbook better. Bear in mind, I had been playing it that way for over 25 years... Debi...giving away her age..YIKES!! *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:17:30 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Raveen Curls Warren Keith wrote Greetings to all... Just wanted to chime in. I always thought it was " Raveen" after the hair care product too; the printed lyric on HOSL is " raven " - as in glossy hair - - per the dictionary. Well, I'll be. It does say "Raven" on the old vinyl. On the CD, though it says Raveen, correcting the original typo. More evidence that perhaps the 1 in "and John Guerin for showing me the root of the chord and where 1 was" was also a typo on the vinyl jacket, contrary to my earlier speculation that '1' was deliberate, and that the 'correction' on the CD to 'I' was contrary to Joni's initial intent. Ouch. Hey, Joni- will you clear that one (those two) up for us ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:38:03 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 24 On February 24 the following articles were published: 1977: "Furry Lewis is Furious at Joni" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=107 1991: "Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=162 2002: "2002 Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient - Joni Mitchell" - Grammy Magazine (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=750 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #53 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)