From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 19 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 048 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Startling new version of All I Want ["mike pritchard" ] re: joni on 4 [Garret ] Re: "Raving curls" [Garret ] Re: "Raving curls" [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Raving curls", now "credit card eyes" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Clone in Magnum, PI [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Raving curls", now "credit card eyes" [Garret ] Joni a composer [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: raving curls [Steve Polifka ] Adopt Joni! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Adopt Joni! [Steve Polifka ] Re: Adopt Joni! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Why not ["jlobello" ] Re: Why not [colin ] Raving Curls [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Adopt Joni! [Steve Polifka ] Re: classifying Joni [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Why not [Catherine McKay ] Weird Joni listing on EBay ["Dylan Rush" ] RE: Weird Joni listing on EBay ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Why not ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #77 [NJoachim@aol.com] Re: New Orleans [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Weird Joni listing on EBay [Catgirl ] RE: Why not [Catgirl ] Re: Barangrill [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Why not ["jlobello" ] Today's Library Links: February 19 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Roper ["jlobello" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:11:06 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Startling new version of All I Want >>Colin Riley is a well-respected contemporary 'classical' composer; Tim Whitehead is a great jazz saxophonist (played with Loose Tubes).<< Hi John - Is Tim Whitehead related to Annie Whitehead, my favourite English female trombonist? mike in barcelona np Gram Parsons - GP/Grievous Angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:55:16 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: let's do that again, Bar and grill and Fishin' Joni recited taht poem in some live performances from the early 90's. maybe at other times too. it is interesting to see how a much younger Joni looked at the world! Its kind of funny to hear an older Joni say she has pulled out someting she wrote in school. Does anyone have the poem at hand? I'd love to read it agani; and the Penelope wants to... you know poem!! Im not a trekkie either;-) I had a similar-ish chickening out encounter with Nichelle Nichols. TO this day i regret not going something! I was in one of my favourite shops in Dublin, they had Patti Smith on the sound system (could there have been a surer sign for me to act??), and then i saw Nichelle Nichols. She was looking very classy and stylish and still an attractive woman at 60 or 70 whatever she is now. And i stood there thinking "no, its not her". but i had heard she was in town for a signing session. and then i heard her voice (not necessarily as distinctive as Mulgrew's gravelly voice), so laid back, chilled. It was definitely her. So i left the shop without even smiling at her or acknowledging her. Perhaps thats how she prefers it..... Quoting jlobello : > > I> Did I tell anyone out there that I ran into Kate Mulgrew in a Wal-Mart in > Hood River, Oregon the summer of '97. Now I know this is the wrong discussion > list to be talking about her, but I can't resist. She was wearing a long > course red wig--same color as her hair-- some knit wool top and a ankle > length Indian print "hippie" skirt. I held the door for her going into the > store and thought, "God, that woman looks familiar". Then It dawned on me, so > I ran back to the hobby section to see if I could find a model of the > starship "Voyager" for her to sign, but they had none. I heard her talking to > the store clerk in the camera section and there was no denying it, it was > her. She has a distinctive brogue. By then I was too self conscious (timid, > embarrassed) to complement her on her TV show and just walked off, but she > knew I had blown her cover. In case anyone doesn't know , Kate Mulgrew played > Captain Katherine Janeway in the Star Trek-Voyager series. She's now married > to a lawyer ( who is a wannabee governor) in Ohio. I forget his name. > But.... Don't ever call me a Trekkie!!!! Jonista maybe, but not a trekkie. > > About Joni and fishin'. She wrote this poem in high school about the rat-race > in Hollywood. It shows that she does have some knowledge of the types of fish > present in her part of Canada. "Pickeral" is the Canadian term for Walleye. > The "Fish Bowl". > > >"I wrote a poem in, I guess it was Grade 10, about the age of 16, about > Hollywood, called, 'The Fish Bowl,"' she said, and then recites: > > "The fish bowl is a world reversed where fishermen with hooks that dangle > from the bottom up reel down their catch without a fight on gilded bait. > Pike, pickerel, bass, the common fish, ogle through distorting glass, see > only glitter, glamour, gaiety, fog up the bowl with lusty breath, lunge > towards the bait and miss and weep for fortune lost. Envy the goldfish? Why? > His bubbles break 'round the rim while silly fishes faint for him and say, > 'Oh, look there, he winked his eye at me!"' > > She laughed, and continued, "So, with this young insight, it was really > ironic that I would enter into this world."< > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:59:29 +0000 From: Garret Subject: [none] OOOhh, now this is very exciting Paul!!! You've got me all hopeful now!! Keep us posted if you hear anything else! I just love Rufus W; even though he wouldn't be singing his own songs this would be great. and of course, Leonard Cohen is a great songwriter. I also like NIck Cave. Wonder if Linda and Teddy would be joined by Richard. Does that ever happen? is this just fantasy? they should invite La Mitchell to say a few words or sing! GARRET From: "Paul Castle" > putting together a Leonard Cohen tribute concert > in London, featuring Nick Cave, Linda Thompson > and son, Teddy Thompson, and the McGarrigles - > Rufus (Wainwright), Martha, Kate, and Anna . Can't find any more details yet but I read it may evolve into a short UK tour. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:04:58 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: joni on 4 This must have been the only time in the last six months that i wasnt listening to radio four!!! (dont have a tv and london radio is generally somwhere between tripe and pants!) Lord. Did you hear whats his name, Nick Hornby on desert island discs a few months ago? he played Night Ride Home which was a glorious joni moment for me as i gloated to my partner who **of course** hates Hornby as well as Joni, lol. Interestingly, none of the songs from his book 30 Songs were included. Glad taht you're posting again Colin (and a very very late thanks for the birthday wishes!!) GARRET Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:09 +0000 From: colin Subject: joni on 4 Sunday evening Radio 4: prgram about natural good food. Piece about alice walters, owns a 'french' restaurant in LA, can't recall name, 'child of the 60's'. Anyway, they played California hislt talking about this woman and her food/restaurant. - - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:16:00 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: "Raving curls" What about this line: "Beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes" Credit card eyes? Are they suspicious of something or have they used their credit cards to pay for new eyes? (if you kow what i mean:-) GARRET (aiming to fill a whole digest on his own:-) np- nothing unfortunately; discman out of batteries. the cd in it though is a live bootleg of jack Johnson that i got lend of. Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:57 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: "Raving curls" Oh yeah this is one of my favourite lyrics! It evokes so many things! The time the stereotypes - powerful and of course like always with Joni it's just so colourful! :) NP: Crayon Angels - Judee Sill (omg still wow) * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 06:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Raving curls" --- Garret wrote: > What about this line: > "Beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes" > > Credit card eyes? Are they suspicious of something > or have they used their > credit cards to pay for new eyes? (if you kow what i > mean:-) You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs in their eyes when they think about getting their paws on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting for something "chic and fancy to buy." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:20:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Raving curls", now "credit card eyes" **You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs in their eyes when they think about getting their paws on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting for something "chic and fancy to buy."** True, and what's significant about the line (and yet another example of Joni's brilliance as a writer is that it's NOT dollar signs in the eyes but rather CREDIT CARDS, meaning that they can't afford the chic and fancy stuff they want but rather have to put it on credit. It's all faux. Like the blond hair; not real but rather from a bottle at the beauty parlor. As fake as Harry's relationship with his wife, his job, his life. Bob NP: Ani, "bubble" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:25:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Clone in Magnum, PI **We now need to find out who did the cover of You turn me on, and make sure Bob Mueller gets it on one of the many hundreds of Joni covers CD's that he has treed.** Thanks as always for looking out for me Debi...I'm imagining that it's one I've already got, there were a couple that came out in the 70's that basically mimicked Joni's version. Who knows, time will tell! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:24:00 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: "Raving curls", now "credit card eyes" Oh, now i see:-) I love to hear how othes see these things; it always expands my enjoyment of the songs. Im gonna go and listen to it again! and *that* other question: is harry a real person? GARRET Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > **You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs > in their eyes when they think about getting their paws > on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes > acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting > for something "chic and fancy to buy."** > > True, and what's significant about the line (and yet another example of > Joni's brilliance as a writer is that it's NOT dollar signs in the eyes but > rather > CREDIT CARDS, meaning that they can't afford the chic and fancy stuff they > want but rather have to put it on credit. It's all faux. Like the blond hair; > not > real but rather from a bottle at the beauty parlor. As fake as Harry's > relationship with his wife, his job, his life. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "bubble" > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Joni a composer I think you really hit the nail on the head with this, Bob. I'd agree that Joni is much more a composer than a songwriter. From the beginning, she seems to have thought of music in "layers." And yet, her most covered songs seem to be the ones where it's easy to peel the melody away from the harmonic structure she created. I think that has more to do with the listening public than Joni herself though. I know I've said this before, but I'd still like to hear the instrumental arrangements of Travelogue without the vocals. (There would probably have to be additional instrumentation for the melodies.) Now, when you consider that the brilliance of her lyrics sits on top of - or is intertwined with - her melodic and harmonic work, well it just reminds me how incredible her work is. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:25:25 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: raving curls Not all horny men drool over raving curls... :-P Steve At 11:19 PM 2/17/2004 EST, you wrote: >jonu meant, in my opinion, those long, lush, lovely, big , beautiful curls >that will make a straighted haired woman, a lesbian, and a horny man drool. >please no offense intended. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:42:27 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Adopt Joni! It's a jmdler's dream come true! (And also the worst pic of her I'ver ever seen...) ;~) http://www.utopiarescue.com/wanted/jone-itchel.html Bob NP: Kansas, "Magnum Opus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:56:26 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Adopt Joni! Gives new meaning to the song Dog Eat Dog... Steve At 09:42 AM 2/18/2004 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >It's a jmdler's dream come true! (And also the worst pic of >her I'ver ever seen...) ;~) > >http://www.utopiarescue.com/wanted/jone-itchel.html > >Bob > >NP: Kansas, "Magnum Opus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:05:16 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Adopt Joni! True...maybe this was one of the 'wild and gentle dogs' kenneled in her...;~) Bob NP: Rickie Lee, "Howard" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:16:18 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Why not Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what she meant? Or is that easier said than done? Jono ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:31:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Why not jlobello wrote: >Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what she meant? Or is that easier >said than done? >Jono > > > cos half the time she doesn't know what she meant-it just sounded good. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:40:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Raving Curls > **You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs > in their eyes when they think about getting their paws > on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes > acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting > for something "chic and fancy to buy."** > > True, and what's significant about the line (and yet another example of > Joni's brilliance as a writer is that it's NOT dollar signs in the eyes but > rather > CREDIT CARDS, meaning that they can't afford the chic and fancy stuff they > want but rather have to put it on credit. It's all faux. Like the blond hair; > not > real but rather from a bottle at the beauty parlor. As fake as Harry's > relationship with his wife, his job, his life. And, might I add to Bob's usual right on observations, credit card use then is much different than it is now. At that time, it was not an every day, every minute occurrence. Those who used credit cards were suspect of not being able to pay for their purchase and so would be borrowing from the bank to do so, or have a Sugar Daddy's card who let them shop for selling themselves. It's pure Joni lyrically at her peak. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:49:21 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Adopt Joni! She's learning, it's peaceful with a good dog and some trees... Now I get it. The trees are for the dog! Arf! Steve At 10:05 AM 2/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >True...maybe this was one of the 'wild and gentle dogs' >kenneled in her...;~) > >Bob > >NP: Rickie Lee, "Howard" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:14:13 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: classifying Joni trying to classify joni, to me, is like trying to define love ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why not --- jlobello wrote: > Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what > she meant? Or is that easier > said than done? > Jono Because we all know what the response would be: "Never mind what it means to me - what does it mean to YOU?" And oh, by the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY JONO! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:45:02 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Weird Joni listing on EBay What the hell is this!? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2597408445&category=1595 _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:51:04 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Weird Joni listing on EBay Dylan-- This is a Joan Baez album. Joni does back-up vocals. I think it's now available on CD. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Dylan Rush Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:45 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Weird Joni listing on EBay What the hell is this!? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2597408445&category=1595 _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:16:10 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Why not Write to Joni? I have never written to her. When interviewers ask her what she meant by a line, I think she always says the same thing anyway. She says it's not important what it meant to her. What's important is what it means to the listener. Metaphorically speaking, what do you see in the "ink blots", Jono? You see the story of your own life, right? No one else's interpretation could top that. Maybe she set the songs down to be free of them. They belong to you now. np: the lead-out groove of "IN A SILENT WAY", as I finish this post All the best, Jim From: jlobello [mailto:jlobello@famvid.com] Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what she meant? Or is that easier said than done? Jono ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:28:35 EST From: NJoachim@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #77 Someone told me Joni Mitchell has a restaurant in LA called Joni's which serves Organic food and is like a private club. Is this true or was my friend telling wild imaginative tales? Nancy Joachim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:54:51 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: New Orleans Jennifer wrote: > Hey everybody, > I just got back from New Orleans! The first time I had ever been. Hi Jennifer! Wish I would have known you were going... I might have asked you to pick up a cajon for me! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:59:54 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: Weird Joni listing on EBay Apparently this seller has no clue that Diamonds and Rust LP was recorded by Joan Baez. Debi Dylan Rush wrote: What the hell is this!? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2597408445&category=1595 _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: RE: Why not You know Jim, I really agree with you there. Everyone perception is different. One song could be interpreted as being about a man and the same song a cat.. Debi "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: Write to Joni? I have never written to her. When interviewers ask her what she meant by a line, I think she always says the same thing anyway. She says it's not important what it meant to her. What's important is what it means to the listener. Metaphorically speaking, what do you see in the "ink blots", Jono? You see the story of your own life, right? No one else's interpretation could top that. Maybe she set the songs down to be free of them. They belong to you now. np: the lead-out groove of "IN A SILENT WAY", as I finish this post All the best, Jim From: jlobello [mailto:jlobello@famvid.com] Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what she meant? Or is that easier said than done? Jono *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:42:38 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Barangrill I agree with most of this analysis but would add that while she is taking these snapshots of the road life around her, some that she observes are doing the same right back. And some are players in the play and others are just slaves to their world. Its routine to them and they go about it as such. While they become 3D through Joni's eyes ... they are new characters in her search to see both sides or all sides now of life. Nonetheless - I get great visual from this one and can almost hear the clatter and chatter of the diner ... right down to a waitress snapping her gum - LOL! It may very well be her first road trip song - mmmmmm thinking now ... well she has been on that lonely road and traveling traveling before, but not quite like this. Peace, Susan "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: The faces along the way seem to give a commentary (And you think she knows something/By the second refill/You think she's enlightened/ As she totals your bill) but it's just a trick on you. They're not knowledgeable advisors, just people working service jobs. (The older I get, the more I think there is *NO* such thing as a knowledgeable advisor anyway.) It's a stop on the road. It may be her first road-trip song. Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:02:36 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Re: Why not As I just said to Jim. Yeah. I think about the same way as you do, Jim. I mean after all who gives a fiddle H whether they're raven, ravine or Raveen curls anyway-I was just trying to get a comment out of them or get them to change the subject. And, my interpretations about what she's saying is quite personally mine anyway. I guess that is why she is so special to me as a song writer and performer. Cath, thanks for the B-day Greetings. It was a good one too. It was sunny hear and in the 40's, so I went rainbow fishin'. Jono - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "jlobello" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Why not > --- jlobello wrote: > Why > doesn't someone in the list just ask her what > > she meant? Or is that easier > > said than done? > > Jono > > Because we all know what the response would be: "Never > mind what it means to me - what does it mean to YOU?" > > And oh, by the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY JONO! > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:11:43 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 19 On February 19 the following article was published: 1972: "Joni's concert shows she should stick to recordings" - Detroit News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=940 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:20:49 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Roper Remember that Roper pole was taken a year ago--it's hard to believe that the same approval rating would hold today after a year of even worse unemployment and job flight--plus war dead on top of it. jono ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #48 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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