From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #47 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 047 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Classifing Joni [Musicloverrick@aol.com] Re: Classifing Joni [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] RE: "Raving curls" [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Bar and Grill, and fishin' ["jlobello" ] let's do that again, Bar and grill and Fishin' ["jlobello" ] Startling new version of All I Want [John Sprackland ] Raveen (c) Curls, was Raving curls ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: me and Joni [Catgirl ] Re: Joni Clone in Magnum, PI [Catgirl ] Today's Library Links: February 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] JazzCDs url correction [John Sprackland ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:54:19 EST From: Musicloverrick@aol.com Subject: Re: Classifing Joni Hey Kenny, well actually I think that might not be sucha bad idea....People who go to music stores don't usually ask for a genre, they usually ask for a specific artist that they want to buy. The reason I know is because I worked in music stores for over two years, as an asst. mgr., and that was the usual question I received from customers. They usually already know what they want when they come in. But as you said, it isn't a genre they ask for, but more a specific song or artist. So your idea might be just the ticket. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:13:56 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Classifing Joni I found that when I burnt my Travelogue onto my iTunes it automatically classified second disc as 'Jazz' which I thought was fine, but the first disc was 'Easy Listening'! I nearly choked on my muffin!!!! I think the people Internet Music Database found it really hard to classify her as well! Most shocked... Much Joni Jamie Zoob np: The Complete Geffen: Night Ride Home: Cherokee Louise --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > << From: Musicloverrick@aol.com > Subject: Fwd: Torch Song? > > I just think it's impossible to really classify > Joni.... ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save #80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:30:20 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Classifing Joni Subject: RE: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! WHAT??? Never thought of the wonderful Elvis Costello as a songwriter? Go to your room, Paz!! Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:03 PM To: Patricia Parlette; Joni Digest Subject: Re: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! Hi Patti Welcome to the list. Thanks for the news. I have ALWAYS been a Joni fan and there are no other songwriters. And I have always loved Elvis too, but I have never thought of him as a songwriter even though he is. This may ne just the kick in the pants I needed. I want to read this book NOW!! Best Paz in New Orleans > Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: > > Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading along here for far too > many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I don't like the expression > "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and reflecting"!) As she has > for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack for my life, starting with > STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. I have so many Joni moments to share, > but those will have to wait a bit, because my computer usage time is > limited. > > For now, I will enter your wonderful world with some exciting news: there > is a new scholarly book being released in October 2004 entitled: "Elvis > Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition." > > Peace, > > Patti, who just turned 50 on Monday and is giving herself a magnificent > present by diving heart-first into the JMDL waters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:09 +0000 From: colin Subject: joni on 4 Sunday evening Radio 4: prgram about natural good food. Piece about alice walters, owns a 'french' restaurant in LA, can't recall name, 'child of the 60's'. Anyway, they played California hislt talking about this woman and her food/restaurant. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:09:46 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: RE: "Raving curls" Greetings to all... Just wanted to chime in. I always thought it was " Raveen" after the hair care product too; the printed lyric on HOSL is " raven " - as in glossy hair - per the dictionary. I hope everyone is well and full with Joni...later Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:51:04 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Bar and Grill, and fishin' OK Garret, you made me look (and listen). It just so happened that FTR was on the turntable and all I had to do is flip to side one. But, it isn't that I'm all that much of a song interpreter--I pretty much agree with you (I suppose) on Barangrill. The life of a celeb (hoping not to be recognized!)! Did I tell anyone out there that I ran into Kate Mulgrew in a Wal-Mart in Hood River, Oregon the summer of '97. Now I know this is the wrong discussion list to be talking about her, but I can't resist. She was wearing a long course red wig--same color as her hair-- some knit wool top and a ankle length Indian print "hippie" skirt. I held the door for her going into the store and thought, "God, that woman looks familiar". Then It dawned on me, so I ran back to the hobby section to see if I could find a model of the starship "Voyager" for her to sign, but they had none. I heard her talking to the store clerk in the camera section and there was no denying it, it was her. She has a distinctive brogue. By then I was too self conscious (timid, embarrassed) to complement her on her TV show and just walked off, but she knew I had blown her cover. In case anyone doesn't know , Kate Mulgrew played Captain Katherine Janeway in the Star Trek-Voyager series. She's now married to a lawyer ( who is a wannabee governor) in Ohio. I forget his name. But.... Don't ever call me a Trekkie!!!! Jonista maybe, but not a trekkie. About Joni and fishin'. She wrote this poem in high school about the rat-race in Hollywood. It shows that she does have some knowledge of the types of fish present in her part of Canada. Pickeral is the Canadian term for Walleye. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:56:47 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: let's do that again, Bar and grill and Fishin' I hit the wrong button the first time!!! OK Garret, you made me look (and listen). It just so happened that FTR was on the turntable and all I had to do is flip to side one. But, it isn't that I'm all that much of a song interpreter--I pretty much agree with you (I suppose) on Barangrill. The life of a celeb (hoping not to be recognized!)! Did I tell anyone out there that I ran into Kate Mulgrew in a Wal-Mart in Hood River, Oregon the summer of '97. Now I know this is the wrong discussion list to be talking about her, but I can't resist. She was wearing a long course red wig--same color as her hair-- some knit wool top and a ankle length Indian print "hippie" skirt. I held the door for her going into the store and thought, "God, that woman looks familiar". Then It dawned on me, so I ran back to the hobby section to see if I could find a model of the starship "Voyager" for her to sign, but they had none. I heard her talking to the store clerk in the camera section and there was no denying it, it was her. She has a distinctive brogue. By then I was too self conscious (timid, embarrassed) to complement her on her TV show and just walked off, but she knew I had blown her cover. In case anyone doesn't know , Kate Mulgrew played Captain Katherine Janeway in the Star Trek-Voyager series. She's now married to a lawyer ( who is a wannabee governor) in Ohio. I forget his name. But.... Don't ever call me a Trekkie!!!! Jonista maybe, but not a trekkie. About Joni and fishin'. She wrote this poem in high school about the rat-race in Hollywood. It shows that she does have some knowledge of the types of fish present in her part of Canada. "Pickeral" is the Canadian term for Walleye. The "Fish Bowl". >"I wrote a poem in, I guess it was Grade 10, about the age of 16, about Hollywood, called, 'The Fish Bowl,"' she said, and then recites: "The fish bowl is a world reversed where fishermen with hooks that dangle from the bottom up reel down their catch without a fight on gilded bait. Pike, pickerel, bass, the common fish, ogle through distorting glass, see only glitter, glamour, gaiety, fog up the bowl with lusty breath, lunge towards the bait and miss and weep for fortune lost. Envy the goldfish? Why? His bubbles break 'round the rim while silly fishes faint for him and say, 'Oh, look there, he winked his eye at me!"' She laughed, and continued, "So, with this young insight, it was really ironic that I would enter into this world."< Later, Lobo (AKA Jono) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:13:46 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: will you take me as i am? =?ISO-8859-1?B?oGkgaGF2ZSBzb21lIGV4Y2l0aW5nIGpvbmkgbmV3cyE=?= Don't send him to his room, he'll just get into mischief! As far as 'songwriters' go, I would say that Elvis is much more a songwriter than Joni is. I tend to lump Joni in with 'composers' like Leonard Bernstein, George Gershwin, and the like. Splitting hairs, I suppose...but Elvis focuses more on songs whereas Joni seems to focus more on projects. I hope this makes sense, when one talks of Joni's musical structure it's tough to try and pin it down as she's so one-of-a-kind. Bob NP: Norah Jones, "Don't Know Why" (who's got the new one?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:57 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: "Raving curls" Oh yeah this is one of my favourite lyrics! It evokes so many things! The time the stereotypes - powerful and of course like always with Joni it's just so colourful! :) NP: Crayon Angels - Judee Sill (omg still wow) * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Rush" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: "Raving curls" > There's a particular line in "Harry's House": "Skinny black models with > raving curls". I've always thought this was "raven" as in black, curly hair, > but recently discovered it was "raving". What do you think Joni meant by > this? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:49:45 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Startling new version of All I Want Letting you all now about a new recording of Joni's All I Want, out on a CD called 'Inside Covers' by a UK jazz ensemble called The Homemade Orchestra (Colin Riley, Tim Whitehead & guests) on the Homemade label, HMR049. Colin Riley is a well-respected contemporary 'classical' composer; Tim Whitehead is a great jazz saxophonist (played with Loose Tubes). The concept of the collection was to invite contemporary composers to rearrange favourite songs, which are sung by various jazz singers. Jenni Roditi selected All I Want and gives it a radical rearrangement. Alone of all the arrangements on this CD, the arranger is also the singer. All starts reasonably familiarly - the string section, piano and sax combination making you think, 'well, I guess this might be how the song could have sounded if Joni had held it over until For The Roses'. But then, suddenly, the arrangement turns disturbingly stacatto and Roditi's voice fractures into a kind of Central Asian ullulation on the words 'dance with me'! The serenity of the strings returns (really beautiful actually...) but when she reaches the words 'how you hurt me, baby', the ullulating returns and she sounds like someone truly demented by her love. So... its a genuinely interesting interpretation and I think you'll either love it or hate it... and I love it... I think! In the CD notes Roditi says, 'Joni Mitchell's distinctive style had a big influence on my own early song writing, then I went through all the academic stuff as a composer, then landed in a North Indian music singing class, via various therapeutic voice workshops. Elements of all these things can be traced in the arrangement. Joni's songwriting, lyrics and vocals deserve continued celebration and should in my opinion rank as highly as the Beatles in the history of popular music' ...so, she's one of us! Oh, and inexplicably she changes the lyric to, 'I want to get up and jump, I want to wreck my stockings in some juke box dump'! Other songs covered include Paperback Writer, Over the Rainbow, Who Will Buy? (from 'Oliver'!), Memphis Tennessee, Love Action (yes, the Human League song!) and, my 2nd favourite on early listening, a gorgeous version of Peter Gabriel's 'Here Comes The Flood'. I bought the CD online from www.jazzcds.com (12 UK pounds) and it arrived the next day - why don't you? Even if the Joni proves not to your taste you have to respect the intention and the CD is so varied that there is bound to be a favourite on there for you. Look forward to hearing some other opinions of this track! Cheers John Southport, UK NP; Careless Whisper, arranged by Colin Riley! - -- John Sprackland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:46:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Startling new version of All I Want **Letting you all now about a new recording of Joni's All I Want, out on a CD called 'Inside Covers' by a UK jazz ensemble called The Homemade Orchestra (Colin Riley, Tim Whitehead & guests) on the Homemade label, HMR049.** Hey, thanks for the heads-up on this one, John...I've added it to our database and will endeavor to pick up the cd when I can (I've already dropped way too much this month already). The web address you gave was not correct, however...you said it was www.jazzcds.com and it's actually: http://www.jazzcds.co.uk/ Bob, trying to keep with covers and sinking fast glub glub glub.... :~) NP: Ani, "educated guess" (had to warm up to this one but I have and I think it's among her finest) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:57:06 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! Ooooops. OH THAT Elvis! I thought it was Elvis Presley. My error. Maybe I need to put my specs on when I read the list. Don't hate me on the king thing either. Paz > WHAT??? Never thought of the wonderful Elvis Costello as a songwriter? Go to > your room, Paz!! > Maggie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:03 PM > To: Patricia Parlette; Joni Digest > Subject: Re: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! > > > Hi Patti > Welcome to the list. Thanks for the news. I have ALWAYS been a Joni fan and > there are no other songwriters. And I have always loved Elvis too, but I > have never thought of him as a songwriter even though he is. This may ne > just the kick in the pants I needed. I want to read this book NOW!! > > Best > > Paz in New Orleans > >> Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: >> >> Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading along here for far too >> many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I don't like the expression >> "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and reflecting"!) As she has >> for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack for my life, starting with >> STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. I have so many Joni moments to share, >> but those will have to wait a bit, because my computer usage time is >> limited. >> >> For now, I will enter your wonderful world with some exciting news: there >> is a new scholarly book being released in October 2004 entitled: "Elvis >> Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition." >> >> Peace, >> >> Patti, who just turned 50 on Monday and is giving herself a magnificent >> present by diving heart-first into the JMDL waters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:32:39 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Barangrill I think you nailed it, Garrett. I think it's about the disjointed scenes of a road trip. The real agenda is whatever conflict one is working on. The faces along the way seem to give a commentary (And you think she knows something/By the second refill/You think she's enlightened/ As she totals your bill) but it's just a trick on you. They're not knowledgeable advisors, just people working service jobs. (The older I get, the more I think there is *NO* such thing as a knowledgeable advisor anyway.) In the story, I guess she's finished a meal and is ready to have some cold refreshment for the evening. It's a stop on the road. It may be her first road-trip song. Love it. All the best, Jim Garrett asked, >So what is this song about?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:11:24 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Raveen (c) Curls, was Raving curls Dylan, I'm not qualified to answer this question but here goes. Raveen is a brand name of a line of hair care products. This one isn't in the JMDL Glossary yet but it seems to be a "curl relaxer" and/or a conditioner. I don't know if they also made a curl enhancer, or if Joni mis-applied the word (unlikely!), or it was Mitchell-esque droll irony to call straight hair "Raveen curls". In the context of the song, it is about a preocupation with fleeting and youthful appearance. Can someone add to this? Dylan, the most important thing to get from this is that the printed lyrics for "Harry's House" (on the LP, on the CD, on the songbook) are wrong. I don't know why the copy-written words were so often wrong. I think someone here said that in the old days, artists turned over the master tapes and someone transcribed the words to be copy-written. That they were wrong about "raven curls" is undeniable. That they were reproduced wrong again in THE COMPLETE POEMS AND LYRICS is another shame. Speaking of that book, the first song lyrics in that book have at least 2 errors. Check it out. Joni's talking about leaves as if they had feelings. The book says: "When the leaves fell on the ground Boy winds came around, (and) pushed them face down in the snow." Almost everyone thinks she sang and meant "bully" as in "Bully winds came around and pushed them face down in the snow". Later, she talks about stoking the fire. The book says, "Apply the fire with kindling now." Isn't it more likely that she sang the contraction for "I will"? "I'll ply the fire with kindling now," means she's bartering some sticks in exchange for warmth. I didn't discover these for myself. I found them here on the JMDL, just as you have, today. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu >There's a particular line in "Harry's House": "Skinny black models with raving curls". I've always thought this was "raven" as in black, curly hair, but recently discovered it was "raving". What do you think Joni meant by this?> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of raveen.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:19:24 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: raving curls jonu meant, in my opinion, those long, lush, lovely, big , beautiful curls that will make a straighted haired woman, a lesbian, and a horny man drool. please no offense intended. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:21:00 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Joni Clone in Magnum, PI I'm watching an episode of Magnum, PI on the Hallmark Channel right now... an episode called The Look, and they are using 60s/70s hits throughout the episode on the soundtrack. The gimmick is that Magnum is listening to an "oldies" radio station. For financial/rights reasons, all the songs heard are recreations, and they aren't bad. The songs I've heard include Dock of the Bay, Satisfaction, She's Not There, Let It Be, and... You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio)! And it's not half bad, the vocalist had talent... the arrangement includes a harmonica. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: me and Joni Michael Paz and Everyone, Thanks for all the welcomes back. I have missed this list alot and am glad to finally make it back home. I have loved Joni Mitchell music since I was 12 years old when my girlfriend turned me on to FTR. Then I got LOTC and went crazy from that point on. That was back in 1975 so when Hejira came out it was brand new back then. ISo off I went getting everything she recorded and remember listening to the radio with Gene Shay and his recording with Joni and the whole 2nd Fret Sets. I started playing guitar when I was 13 just becuase of Joni. I bought a Harmony guitar for $25.00 and her greatest hits song book made easy for guitar. I would play her songs in that book for hours. I was so bummed that Chelsea Morning was unplayable amoung others. It wasn't until I got on line, founded my own discussion list and then had a lister name Jimmy from Florida invite me to join the JMDL where I then found all those wonderful tunings. I can't believe how many years have gone by... I have been one of the biggest Joni Fan in the world until I discovered all of you..... Hugs, Debi aka Catgirl, Deb, Debi, Debra...Michael, you gottem' all! Michael Paz wrote: OH MY Catgirl, Deb, Debi, Debra, Ms Worthington (if your nasty)- Where the feck have you been??? My gawd it's good to see you back. Where are you now? Are you in some hotel room? Does it have a view? Fill us in with the missing years. What have you been up to? Are you still playing a lot? Are you going to a Jonifest near you soon? Come on they have ignored you on Et and all the other celebrity stalker shows. Still remembering the incredible jam we had on my back porch with the gang esp. "Hit The Road Jack" (no offence Neilson really!!!!) featuring the Muller on spontaneaous vocals. Speaking of which have you heard Jack Neilson's CD? The Pazfest Vol 1 & 2 CD's. Have a listen at www.cdbaby.com/jackneilson and cdbaby.com/pazfest Love Paz > When I was a little girl my mom changed my name to an i to create Debi. > When I was about 13 and got my first Joni record, I knew we would be good for > each other since her spelling was similar to my own. > Well that was over 28 years ago and that woman has influenced my life from day > one. She was the catalyst for my wanting to play guitar. Also, my love for > her music sent me down a path of desperation looking for her songbooks etc. > Then there was eBay. Through that place I got everything Joni imaginable. > What a joy. But really made the difference was finding the Joni Mitchell > Disscussion List. The guitar site alone it overwhelming. When (after > creating my own Joni group site) someone told me about the site and the list > it was like dying and going to heaven for me. Joni has always been my anchor, > my rock. When I feel a certain way she understands me. I hear that she does > through her own trail and tribulations. I am very happy to be back on the > list for it was way to long for me. > Thanks, > Debi > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: Joni Clone in Magnum, PI Well David, We now need to find out who did the cover of You turn me on, and make sure Bob Mueller gets it on one of the many hundreds of Joni covers CD's that he has treed. Debi David Sadowski wrote: I'm watching an episode of Magnum, PI on the Hallmark Channel right now... an episode called The Look, and they are using 60s/70s hits throughout the episode on the soundtrack. The gimmick is that Magnum is listening to an "oldies" radio station. For financial/rights reasons, all the songs heard are recreations, and they aren't bad. The songs I've heard include Dock of the Bay, Satisfaction, She's Not There, Let It Be, and... You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio)! And it's not half bad, the vocalist had talent... the arrangement includes a harmonica. *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:00:49 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 18 On February 18 the following articles were published: 1996: "Singer-songwriter gets no respect in rock history" - Denver Post (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=829 1999: "Joni Mitchell" - Rolling Stone (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1034 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:43:17 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: JazzCDs url correction Apologies to anyone looking for www.jazzcds.com to order 'Inside Covers' with that new cover version of 'All I Want' that I told you about. Wrong URL! The correct address is www.jazzcds.co.uk Sorry! 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