From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #29 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 31 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 029 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Playing problems ["don whiteman" ] Fw: Travelogue ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: spectrum 76 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hi [Catherine McKay ] Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift [Bobsart48] Fw: FM Radio Icon Ed Sciaky Dies ["Music Is Special" ] RE: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift ["Wally Ka] Re: Travelogue ["amelio747" ] Queen Joni Approximately [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] spectrum 76 [] Playing problems ["Kate Bennett" ] Playing problems ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni mention in the movie + Sondheim ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] Queen Joni Approximately ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Whatever that was all about [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: and this too [PassScribe@aol.com] Snow ["jlobello" ] Re: Queen Joni Approximately [Randy Remote ] Joni content - Trina was real [Randy Remote ] Today's Library Links: January 31 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:07:35 +1100 From: "don whiteman" Subject: Playing problems Hi All, I have been playing guitar for 36 years and most of what I play these days is either Joni or David Crosby or similar. I love open tunings. Recently (about 3 months ago) I noticed that my little finger on my left hand (my frettign hand) was getting numb after a short while playing and I had little feeling in it. I finnally had had enough of it and two weekd before Xmas I went to my family Dr. He told me that I have a pinched nerve im my elbow and gave me a course of high dose anti-inflammatories. I went back on last Tuesday as it had gotten worse instead of better. What I have got is a condition called Ulnar Neuritis. Nest Tuesday I am going for Nerve Conduction Study tests. This will indicate the time for responses from this nerve and then I will have to have surgery. Christ almighty, I am worried. from what I have read, it is not life threatening, unless you are a guitarist. If it doesn't work I may have to take up the maracas or some such instrument. Has anybody else on this list ever had this problem or know anyone who has had this problem. And what is the outcome from it. Sorry to burden. Don Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:17:51 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: Fw: Travelogue hello list! I have started listening to Travelogue this week, and I think it's good./ Why is it so unpopular on this list? Or isn't it. I think the album is very groovy, very relaxed, sophisticated --- I mean, of course I prefer the original versions in most cases, but I love to hear some songs in the matured voice Joni is using these days (was using, that is......haha). Like the dawntreader.......I also love love love the version of chinese cafe/unchained melody. saw Josh Ritter last night, in the tiny upstairs room of Paradiso (for people who know this famous Amsterdam concertvenue) -- I know I've pushed him quite a bit on this list now, but please, check him out. So cute, and nice, with his wonderful songs and the way he says " thank you very much' after every song...... Paul - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. That one little victory, that's all she needs! Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:30:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: spectrum 76 **One of them is a 2-disc set of a concert at the Spectrum in Phil. in Feb 1976. It's absolutely wonderful.** Hi Bruce - I'm glad to hear you are enjoying what I consider to be an essential recording! The '76 tour stuff is some of my favorite Joni. You are correct in that she is once again backed by the LA Express. She was linked with (the late) John Guerin and their breakup during that tour ended it prematurely. As you say, she does most of the HOSL material here, as well as 4 new songs, 2 of which would appear on Hejira & 2 of which would appear on DJRD. I always thought that Coyote/DJRD were musical sisters, and when she does them as a medley on this tour it confirms it. Who would guess that she would have done "Talk To Me" & "Jungle Line" live? Very cool. I too would love to know the song-selection process for these 70's releases. She WAS very prolific and had the creative juices flowing at this time, that's for sure! My feeling (merely a guess) is that she held back with DRJD (the song) because it was SO similar to Coyote, and then included it when she had enough material for another release. As for Talk To Me, I'm not sure it would have fit in with Hejira anyway, even though that's not to diss the song as I DO love it! Bob NP: The Cure, "Plastic Passion" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:59:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hi --- jlobello wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I may be new to the group, but not to Joni. Hi, Jon. Welcome to the list. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:11:25 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift Wally - Que pasa ? Actually, I found Dr. Whitesell's paper too high level for me - and rather dry except for the abstract, the opening and the close, where he praises Joni's work on a technical level but in layman's terms. But I love that he affirms Joni's greatness on a technical level. It reinforces my belief that she has The Gift, and assuages my ego that I at least am able to intuit that she has The Gift (and that my attraction to her work may have more to it than "I am a fan and I like her stuff and she turns me on"). Best Bobsart "wow, bob!!!! i'd give anything to read his papers! britten, joni, ravel, ives. all my favorite people! thanks for the tip. wally" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:17:16 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Fw: FM Radio Icon Ed Sciaky Dies from FMQB: "Sciaky is credited with becoming the first to play Bruce Springsteen on the radio. With a bulky Ampex recorder in tow, Sciaky showed up at Philly's fabled Main Point club, got up close to the stage and recorded one of the Boss' first area appearances, which he played back on the air numerous times. Over the ensuing years, it wasn't unusual for Springsteen to give Sciaky shout-outs from the stage. When Sciaky was sick last year, Springsteen rang him up in the hospital." Read more here: http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=17844 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:43:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hi hello and welcome, jon! i've been adding and subtracting. we are the same age :-) the HDCD version of miles of aisles has all the banter and talk. and the sound is perfect! thank you for your stories, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > jlobello > Enviado el: Viernes, 30 de Enero de 2004 02:53 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Hi > I just recently acquired a vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles in mint > condition. It > is better (and more fun) than the CD version because the audience/Joni > interchange has not be cut out as it has been in the CD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:47:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift bob, i couldn't find the paper! was there a link somewhere? were there links to his britten papers too? wally, in question mode today > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Bobsart48@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 30 de Enero de 2004 11:11 a.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift > > > Wally - Que pasa ? > > Actually, I found Dr. Whitesell's paper too high level for me - > and rather > dry except for the abstract, the opening and the close, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:17:01 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Travelogue Hi Paul, I've loved TLOG from the start and think it is as good as it could have been considering there are no new songs. Some versions I like as much or even more than the originals! The songs from WTRF really do sound better I think, though I myself was not too keen on the new vers of "Chinese Cafe" - I think she sounds a bit too sleepy! But OMG "The Dawntreader" is a revelation! I do think TLOG would have been better as a single disc because some songs are really dragged out ("The Circle Game"). I listen to it then and again unlike CMIARS which I wouldn't notice if it went missing! NP: Society's Child - Janis Ian * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mepschen" To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Fw: Travelogue > hello list! > I have started listening to Travelogue this week, and I think it's good./ Why > is it so unpopular on this list? Or isn't it. I think the album is very > groovy, very relaxed, sophisticated --- I mean, of course I prefer the > original versions in most cases, but I love to hear some songs in the matured > voice Joni is using these days (was using, that is......haha). Like the > dawntreader.......I also love love love the version of chinese cafe/unchained > melody. > > saw Josh Ritter last night, in the tiny upstairs room of Paradiso (for people > who know this famous Amsterdam concertvenue) -- I know I've pushed him quite a > bit on this list now, but please, check him out. So cute, and nice, with his > wonderful songs and the way he says " thank you very much' after every > song...... > > Paul > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. > But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. > That one little victory, that's all she needs! > Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:51:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Queen Joni Approximately A long article, lots of stuff you already know but probably some stuff that you don't: http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/2501_hoskyns_joni.html Bob NP: Helmet, "Milquetoast" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:15:55 -0500 From: Subject: spectrum 76 Bruce, You need some research links. A guy in New York State named Simon has been building a list of Joni's appearances for a loooong time. A JMDLer in good standing, he supplied this list (and lots of other stuff) to the producers of the PBS special on Joni (now available for purchase on VHS & DVD) and in return he is in the production credits. (COOL!) I'm not sure if he actually set out to be an Archivist but he sure is one now. Anyway, Simon's list of appearances is on the official web site: www.jonimitchell.com If you click on "Appearances" in the left hand column, then scroll and click on "GO TO JONI APPEARANCE CHRONOLOGY", it takes you to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html There you'll find the most exhaustively collected, and meticulously updated list available. If you go to 1976, and scroll to "The Spectrum Theatre", you'll find 2-16-76. That's the way we US residents say "16 February". Anyway, that date is a clickable link taking you to a review at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/PhonographRecord476.html It answers you question about personnel. It says (in part): "With saxophonist David Luell having replaced Tom Scott, the L.A. Express opened, blowing the fashionable brand of noodling pop-jazz expected of them, energetic if not impassioned, engaging if not original. Okay for preliminaries. As anticipation grew to fever pitch, Joni entered the spotlight. With the Express supporting..." I agree that it was a GREAT show. - ---- On the other hand, I have to disagree with you about DJRD. It is Joni's 'white album'. Joni's 'TUSK'. Joni's 'OHIO'. I can't imagine cutting out "Overture" or "Paprika Plains" to make a single-LP release for example. I *DO* think DJRD "plays" better as 4 sides on vinyl because PP is a single entity that way. You can turn up the volume for that side and the closing bits where "the band plugs in again" get suitably very loud indeed. I think DJRD is in a string of 8 or 9 consecutive albums that I think are essential Joni. My opinion is that she was able to line up many more great solo albums than any of the solo Beatles. Not only did she write it all but she also self-produced almost all of it. Enough. All the best, Jim Bruce said, >Not having ever seen Joni live, and really only knowing the official live recordings -- MOA & S&L -- it's a fascinating bridge between the two. My question is: who is the band? Is it the LA Express as on MOA? Sounds like it, but there's no info on the disc.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:54:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Playing problems I recall a recent discussion of something similar on another musician list I am on but it had to do with finger pain...there was such a wide variety of responses, dignosis & solution among folks...my reaction is to urge you not to consider surgery without another opinion...ask questions, listen to what your intuition tells you as to whether you think the diagnosis & procedure is correct...western medicine is great with diagnosis but often limited with its ability to heal (relying sometimes too quickly on drugs & surgery)... Hope you will be fine & good luck! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:54:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Playing problems I recall a recent discussion of something similar on another musician list I am on but it had to do with finger pain...there was such a wide variety of responses, dignosis & solution among folks...my reaction is to urge you not to consider surgery without another opinion...ask questions, listen to what your intuition tells you as to whether you think the diagnosis & procedure is correct...western medicine is great with diagnosis but often limited with its ability to heal (relying sometimes too quickly on drugs & surgery)... Hope you will be fine & good luck! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:16:20 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Joni mention in the movie + Sondheim My apologies if this has already been mentioned. I just watched the movie "Camp" about a bunch of talented young adults who went to Camp Ovation to train and further hone their musicality. In one scene, a guy was discussing music with the girl and the girl answered. "I love Joni Mitchell. I have all of her records." Its great to see a character portrayed onscreen as someone with sensitivity and soul as loving Joni MItchell. If I remember right, Kirsten Dunst's character in this other movie whose name I forget (but is based on "Midsummer Night's Dream")did say that she also likes Joni MItchell. Patrick, I thought about you in "Camp" because the characters are all wild about Sondheim. And Sondheim himself appeared in the film as himself. Man, he looks like my next-door neighbor. Are you sure Sondheim's from New York and not North Carolina? Joseph in North Carolina Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:10:16 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #52 > I just recently acquired a vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles in mint condition. It > is better (and more fun) than the CD version because the audience/Joni > interchange has not be cut out as it has been in the CD. The dam record > company cut it out just to get the music to fit on one CD instead of making it > a two CD set in its entirety. Cheap bastards! THANKS for that!! I have gone thru HELL on Ebay this week, to buy this on CD..now I will be thinking .....what am I missing?!! and thru my head will be running the words..cheap bastards...cheap bastards...may be in keeping time with the music? But then I always feel the same about 'Absolutely Live' the DOORS on vinyl..I find a lot of Jims interaction with the audience annoying and only put this album on every 5 years..I actually prefer the cassette version..which has a lot of the interaction missing! I love the bit on the tape/cassette inside cover.... Aside from the 'editing necessary' to assemble the music into album form, the recording is an organic documentary and absolutely live! and thanks for spoiling the Last Waltz for me.....now they DO seem like bloomin hippies!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:46:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Queen Joni Approximately Thanks, that article was great bob! But...strange looking & not lovely? What drugs was he taking...LOL "JONI MITCHELL was a stranger in a strange land - twice removed from her native Canada, new to California from America's East Coast. She was strange-looking, too, willowy but hip, pretty but not quite lovely, a Scandinavian squaw with flaxen hair and big teeth and Cubist cheekbones." >A long article, lots of stuff you already know but probably some stuff that you don't: http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/2501_hoskyns_joni.html Bob< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:42:11 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Whatever that was all about << From: Magic Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction Hi everyone! Allow me to introduce myself, point by painful painted pint: (...etc., etc., etc.....) 06) I expect some of you to ignore the math, others the logic, others the perceptilogical-etymological humming-alongs, still others my mood, which has improved by sharing my pain. Love, and Cathec]ion, Heart and Humor, and Humility ... "AND" = "LOVE"; Proved; Cath >> Sorry, but I ignored the whole thing... made my head hurt. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:48:21 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: and this too << From: Magic Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - VLJC Hi again everyone! Today my mood is improved. Yesterday, I tried to communicate with my computer and explain that, '... if it was going to worship me, it should know who I am.' Happily, it did not respond, so I believe neither of us are deluded. Today my mood is improved. Yesterday, I explained to my computer how to obliterate all mathematical logic by neutralizing the concept of operators (and values, functions, rationalized variables, etc). However, I used operators to do so, so I was caught in hypocrisy. Hypercrisy would seem to be trying to use yet more operators, eg. words, to make my poignant point. from the open "PEN" of ... Cath, and Circe, aka Tereus P.S. Anyone ever read "The Myth of Freedom" by Chogyam Trungpa, was it? >> I'm trying to ignore but the sheer volume and intensity is impressive. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:01:50 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Snow Chris, I live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan right on Lake Superior and snow has to be up to mid thigh before they even start to consider closing the schools around here. Crit as in sand? (or do they use rock salt, or a combination of salt and sand on icy sidewalks over there?). Later, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:13:37 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Queen Joni Approximately Some great photos of Joni, too, including performing at Big Sur with Nash looking on, and the hands-down dorkiest photo of David Crosby ever... also quotes from Croz about Joni.....speaking of Croz- he was scheduled to play Kilborn last night-his name was even on the on-screen guide- but he was replaced by B Bacharach and Ron Isley..wassup? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > A long article, lots of stuff you already know but probably > some stuff that you don't: > > http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/2501_hoskyns_joni.html > > Bob > > NP: Helmet, "Milquetoast" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:52:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni content - Trina was real I don't know if this has been discussed in the past. I was in a bookstore today, and picked up a Crawdaddy magazine anthology with reprints of the early issues of Paul Williams' 60's/70's music publication. Joni was referenced in the index several times. In one of the issues, Williams writes that he was living with his lover, Trina Robbins (Robins?), subject of LOTC. He also says in passing that he attended sessions for STAS. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 02:00:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 31 On January 31 the following articles were published: 1976: "Joni in May" - Sounds (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=553 1976: "The Lawn Ranger Rides Again" - Sounds (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=352 2002: "PTE cruises Joni's River of love " - Winnipeg Sun (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=731 2002: "River looks at life from many sides" - Winnipeg Sun (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=730 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #29 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)