From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #28 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 028 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Kakki's father died [WirlyPearl@aol.com] fred simon cd [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Sent in error [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Song Poems sjc ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: modulations, etc. - Amelia Technical content - [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation ["Wally Kairuz" ] Ed Sciacky dead at 55 [Brei Gross ] Ed Sciacky dead at 55 [Brei Gross ] Re: spectrum 76 [Randy Remote ] Hi ["jlobello" ] Today's Library Links: January 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 ["ash" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 04:33:36 EST From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Kakki's father died In a message dated 1/26/2004 11:32:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:18:39 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: It's you must go and I must bide - NJC He loved, and was loved. Kakki's father has passed on. "Charlie" died Thursday night during hospitalization for an infection which was likely the result of advanced dementia. He was 92 years old. Kakki's dad grew up in Pennsylvania and along with her mother Dorothy migrated west to California shortly before WWII. When the war broke out Charles was nearly 30 years old but felt the need to enlist. Prior to his military service, Charlie worked in retail management, and after the war ended he continued retailing for many years. He later retired from a career with a major Southern California aircraft manufacturer. Charles was drawn to the arts, and instilled a great appreciation of music and painting in his only child. Those who have read Kakki's posts to this list know about her love of the arts, but may not have known, until now, that she was given an early education in creative processes by her father, who enjoyed painting and associating with musicians. Theirs was a special relationship...one of love, trust, and respect. I know Kakki will miss "Daddy" for the rest of her life but I also know she will remember him as a kind and gentle man who gave her inspiration, and "space," to become what she wanted. Which is, in my opinion, a woman of heart and mind. I spoke with Kakki last night and she is coping well. She will be away from a computer for a while, spending time with her mother. A private service is planned. As selected by the family, "Danny Boy" will be played. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 04:37:40 EST From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: fred simon cd In a message dated 1/26/2004 11:32:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Subject: Re: Giving Fred Simon his due Thanks, Catherine, for the very kind words; much appreciated. Anyone interested in owning one of their very own just email me offlist at frednow@aol.com and I'll hook you up. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:25:41 EST From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Sent in error Hi guys, I'm a few days behind on digests and was going through them at 5 am. I was surprised and saddened to hear of Kakki's father's passing. I thought I was forwarding the note from Scott to my email address but I accidentally copied it as well as info on Fred Simon's CD and sent them to the list. Both are things I wanted to refer to again. I guess you all needed to read them again as well. At least you know I'm still out here. My best to you, Pearl in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:44:24 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: Song Poems sjc I absolutely love love love Dar Williams, perhaps even more than Joni. Their writing is very different - much of Joni's work is very close to classic poetry, dar's work belongs more to the folk songwriting tradition, but there is some absolutely fantastic stuff out there. See www.darwilliams.net if you wanne see more lyrics (under ): dar williams - oh canada girls http://members.limitless.org/%7Edel/dar/greenworld/ocanadagirls.html dar williams - mark rothko song http://members.limitless.org/%7Edel/dar/honestyroom/markrothkosong.html dar williams - southern california wants to be western new york http://members.limitless.org/%7Edel/dar/mortalcity/southerncaliforniawantstob ewesternnewyork.html dar williams - Pompeii http://members.limitless.org/%7Edel/dar/mortalcity/thiswaspompeii.html dar williams - the ocean http://members.limitless.org/%7Edel/dar/mortalcity/ocean.html My favorite Joni poems are one Hejira and Don Juan -- I also love toread the early stuff without listening to it, but the poetry on these two albums is something else. paul - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. That one little victory, that's all she needs! Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:27:30 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: modulations, etc. - Amelia Technical content - I posted this to the list on Sunday, but it never got in for some reason (though Marian received a copy and replied to it to the list). So, I am re-trying. Bobsart I know I am late to this, and I have not read much since Marian posted this 5 days ago, but Marian's notation made me think: am bm vi iii/V six white vapor trails across the could also be written am bm ii/V iii/V six white vapor trails across the suggesting that we are sort of inside of the key of G for the moment. However, I think Marian is right that this is completely in the key of C. On the guitar, these two chords are played as A minor and B minor inversions (with the minor third played on the top end of the chord), with a GC drone added in the middle of them for color. To me, that GC drone suggests that we are still in the key of C (not in the key of G), since the standard drone, I think, is the tonic and its fifth. Maybe it is by keeping that drone in there that Joni keeps us anchored in C, even though the chords themselves might seem to suggest we have modulated - or "traveled" ? - into G. I would love to hear someone knowledgable discuss this, either on list or off list. By the way, ignoring the susp's and 7'ths and 9'ths is a bit tough - for example, the two chords noted above are hardly A minor and B minor. If the guitar notes are played on the piano, they are AEGAC ( an Am7 - or C6 - inversion) and then BF#GBCD ( a Bm inversion, with a GC drone). Try playing these on the piano as chords (rather than as arpeggio picks) to appreciate the stew that Joni makes of these notes. If Joni had done this as a piano piece, I bet she would have played them as C/A and Gsus4/B into G/B (where the A bass shown above would be played as a modal arpeggio of AEAEAEAE and the B bass would be BF#BF#BF# in her usual style). This then leads into G/C and C/C. In terms of 'root chords', I think that by playing what I think the root chords are on the piano with right hand only, one can get the sense of the guts of the song (and that it pretty much stays rooted in C), while by later adding the rest of the notes, one can better see what Joni adds to color her basic root chords. For example, play these chords right hand only: Intro C F (the D minor is a color chord, so just play the C and the F) . Then Fsus4 then G Gsus4 G Bd Bdsus4 Bd C (later add the A/E bass for the minor color) Gsus4 G G C C Bm Bm Am G F Fsus4 F Fsus4 F then back into the intro C F. The Bd chord (the IV/IV as Marian puts it) is a slightly odd chord in the key of C, but one sees it from time to time. For example, in the Beatles' (Lennon's) You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, we get similar chord structures. The song - played in G on the guitar - has the chords G Dsus4 F G C F C then G Dsus4 F G C F C D Dsus4 D into a chorus of G C Dsus4 D Dadd2 D etc. Clearly in the key of G, yet we see an F chord appear in the main verses. Similarly, the Bm in Amelia is the relative minor of G (the V in the key of C), and is found in countless songs in the key of C. Gotta go for now. Fascinating song. Beautiful color tones. Warm chord structure. Bobsart PS - writing today (Thursday, 1/29) I note that Lloyd Whitesell, in his analytical tome recently linked on the Jmdl, lists Amelia's "harmonic category" as "polytonal", with tone centers alternating between F and G. Maybe he can help us analyze this ? I'm not sure what this means, but I sit humbled in my abject ignorance. Just out of curiosity, does anyone have the Hejira songbook ? Not that it matters, but what key was the song "written in" in the songbook ? (I have a feeling that the written key is not much more than that - a notation to help one read and play the music, which is normally related to the piece's melodic and harmonic structure ?) HELP ME !! http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1056 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:38:43 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation Lloyd Whitesell, Ph.D. State University of New York (Stony Brook) Lloyd Whitesell received his PhD in Music History from the State University of New York at Stony Brook (1993); his dissertation explored important images of identity in the dramatic and vocal works of Benjamin Britten. His musical training also included studies in piano and vocal accompaniment at the Peabody Conservatory, the Mozarteum Akademie, the University of Minnesota, and the Minnesota Opera. He has published articles on Joni Mitchell, Charles Ives, Maurice Ravel, minimalism, and modern tonalities. An essay collection he has coedited, entitled _Queer Episodes in Music and Modern Identity_, is forthcoming from the University of Illinois Press in 2002. He served for three years as editor of the newsletter for the Gay & Lesbian Study Group of the American Musicological Society. Further research interests include Clara and Robert Schumann, film music, modernist culture, neo-Romanticism, and theories of the audience. http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~whitesell/ Now at McGill University, it seems. Maybe I'll write Assistant Professor Department of Theory (Music) Internal appointment to tenure-track on August 1st, 2002 b" BA summa cum laude (Music and German Literature), University of Minnesota, 1982 b" MA (Music History), State University of New York at Stony Brook, 1987 b" PhD (Music History), State University of New York at Stony Brook, 1993 EXPERTISE: the construction of indentity in the music of Benjamin Britten ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:30:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation wow, bob!!!! i'd give anything to read his papers! britten, joni, ravel, ives. all my favorite people! thanks for the tip. wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:24:35 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: spectrum 76 Andrea left me her CD collection, which contained many of Joni's unreleased recordings distributed by the good people of this list. One of them is a 2-disc set of a concert at the Spectrum in Phil. in Feb 1976. It's absolutely wonderful. Not having ever seen Joni live, and really only knowing the official live recordings -- MOA & S&L -- it's a fascinating bridge between the two. My question is: who is the band? Is it the LA Express as on MOA? Sounds like it, but there's no info on the disc. I love hearing the Hissing songs on it. Plus the numbers to later appear on Hejira and DJRD. In fact, listening to the program, it seems possible that much of what appeared on those records were all written at the same time, in what must have been one of the most prolific periods of her career. I would love to know about the decision-making process that culled and sequenced those songs onto the two releases. I have always felt that DJRD lacks a certain sense of coherency; that there's a magnificent single album there that was stretched a little too far, or maybe, not far enough. Listening to this concert, I feel that maybe Joni consigned what she felt was the "B" material to DJRD. Any thoughts on this? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brei Gross Subject: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 Those of you who have heard the Second Fret tapes and/or the Gene Shay studio appearances by Joni in 1966 and 67 will know the name (pronounced Shockey) of this man, who the CBS Philadelphia 11 PM news reported a few moments ago as having died suddenly today. I do not have any more details, and there seems to be nothing online yet, but I am very saddened, as though a part of me is gone. Life *IS* way too short Everyone, please take care. Brian and Mags Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brei Gross Subject: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 Those of you who have heard the Second Fret tapes and/or the Gene Shay studio appearances by Joni in 1966 and 67 will know the name (pronounced Shockey) of this man, who the CBS Philadelphia 11 PM news reported a few moments ago as having died suddenly today. I do not have any more details, and there seems to be nothing online yet, but I am very saddened, as though a part of me is gone. Life *IS* way too short Everyone, please take care. Brian and Mags Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:39:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: spectrum 76 Bruce Kimerer wrote: > I feel that maybe Joni consigned what she felt was the "B" > material to DJRD. Any thoughts on this? While DJRD may have a few weak points (ie Tenth World), it's hard for me to think of Paprika Plains, Cotton Ave, Silky Veils or any of the rest as B material, at least in terms of quality. Maybe in terms of mass appeal. But what was she gonna do, keep churning out Court and Spark over and over again? That's what most artists would have done-I'm thankful that she didn't do that, and that we have DJRD. If those are her leftovers....yum...sometimes the leftovers are better than the original meal.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:53:12 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Hi Hi Folks, I may be new to the group, but not to Joni. Although, I heard her on AM (and FM) radio (Big Yellow Taxi, and You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio) in the late 60s and early 70s when I was a kid, I didn't get really hooked on her until my girlfriend (at the time) gave me Miles of Aisles for my 23d birthday in 1975 (February--I guess that kinda dates me!). She told me that by listening to Joni I would get a better understanding about how women feel about life. Well, she wasn't exactly correct, because Joni gave me a better understanding of how I should feel about life, and look at the world. And to quote a person off of her documentary (which I own) Joni makes "raceless, genderless music" which I agree with wholeheartedly. Further more she has been an inspiration to me and has given life more meaning, and made it a little more bearable for me. We should all feel thankful to live in a universe in which Joni became part of our lives. Now to get back on my original track. At the time (in 1975) I bought everything she had out (Blue, For The Roses and Court and Spark--which I still own), and bought H of SL and Hejira as soon as they were released. However, for some reason at that time in Tallahassee, Florida, Clouds and Ladies of the Canyon were extremely hard to get hold of new (at the Book and Record CO-OP, anyway), and STAS was completely out of print. Anyway, I got busy with life and did not her Joni again until 1988 (in Bellingham, WA) when I heard her singing with Willie Nelson on my car radio (you know the song). Currently I own everything she has written except Mingus and Shadow and Light (and they are on the "to get" list). Just recently I acquired STAS and Clouds. STAS blew me away. I can't imagine why Night in the City wasn't a hit in '68. And, personally the CD doesn't sound "muddy" to me at all (like someone recently said in the group). I Had a King, Marcie (I believe both of these are autobiographical), Sisotowbell Lane (must be about her parents and going home), Cactus Tree and The Dawntreader are fabulous songs. Sometimes I skip between Travelogue and STAS to compare the different versions of The Dawntreader. I love them both. Clouds is darker (except for Chelsea Morning) and is taking a little more time for me to appreciate. I just recently acquired a vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles in mint condition. It is better (and more fun) than the CD version because the audience/Joni interchange has not be cut out as it has been in the CD. The dam record company cut it out just to get the music to fit on one CD instead of making it a two CD set in its entirety. Cheap bastards! If Helen C (haven't talked to her in 29 years) or Greg P (old Tallahassee pals) are in this group, please get hold of me. I now live in Marquette, MI. More next time, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:15:49 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 30 On January 30 the following article was published: 1995: "Joni Mitchell" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1043 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:42:25 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:06:33 -0500 (EST) > From: anne@sandstrom.com > Subject: separated at birth (njc) > I guess there are common themes in science fiction... > Gollum - Dobby - Yoda Gandalf - Prof. Dumbledore - Obi Wan Kenobi (sp?) > Hermione - Princess Leia > and you know there may be more... feel free to add to > the list... So what are you suggesting? (insert smiley face here and the initials Lots Of Laughter) AND.....Peter Jackson has ripped off George Lucas?..who has ripped off Tolkien, Greek Classics, Viking Sagas, Assyrian tales and the Bible Stories...NOOOO!! well after all its Hollywood after all...same script just change the actors and location. Same as Joni.......? as in this house we have the radio and CD playing and the family soon as hear me playing Joni Mitchell turn down the radio or CD or shut the door!...well recently I noticed that they do this....but...its lady singers who sound like Joni and I gleefully point out the imitators to the family......this makes them now have to be sure that it is not Joni before they do these actions....tee hee...so I will get them converted one day.....I played Joni's 'Hits' a lot of the time to ease them in...well it seems to have gone missing!! As I do a lot of work from home.....I listen to things called Talking tapes..i.e. a someone reads stories to you on cassette or CD (please don't read anything into this!)...so I was listening to a Peter Corris crime thriller about someone killing the engineers of Sydney (Oz) Harbour Bridge...'Wet Graves' and this private investigator lived in a slum/broken down part of town and the developers had moved in and the investigator was the only one left...well he was contemplating the silence in his flat/apartment and he missed the sound of the biker gang on one side of him...with their building shaking motor bikes and on the other side the squealing and ever screaming of the sensitive men and even the sad sounds of Joni Mitchell that came drifting in thru his window!! and on Ebay...I got 2 Joni CDs from 2 sellers in states (NSW and VIC) cheap as chips...but the postage from one Australian state to another is a killer..!! Worse was the bank charges to do it!! sad as one Joni CD was offered at $1.25 Australian...and NO bidders! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #28 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)