From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #4 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 004 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Covering [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? [Steve Polifka ] Joni statue [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni Covering ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: Joni statue ["Happy The Man" ] amazing mary grace an update and reminder (mgval) [magsnbrei ] Dylan's Singing SJC ["Richard Flynn" ] shake your fists at lightning [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Dylan's Singing SJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: shake your fists at lightning [KJHSF@aol.com] Today in History: January 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: January 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:45:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covering **Or are there songs from other artists that you think would merit our joan's attention?** Oh, maybe only about a jillion million that IMMEDIATELY come to mind! Of course, Joni could pick any number of great songs from contemporary writers like Randy Newman, Paul Simon, Tom Waits, Lucinda Williams, a very long list of fine writers. The reason that 'How Do You Stop' worked so well is that we weren't familiar with it. I guess that some of us had heard James Brown's recording, but how many of us? I would guess not many. So Joni, at least in my mind, made that song her own. In comparison, the songs she did on BSN (even her own) had been done to death and that's probably the biggest reason why that project did not work at all. I can come up with a dozen "songs I'd really like to hear Joni record", that will take some thought. But a good discussion topic any way you slice it. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "Lowell, MA" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:16:54 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? Like I said before, offer her cigarettes!!! (lol) Steve, dreaming of Joni in a smoke filled venue... ;-P At 10:39 PM 1/6/2004 -0500, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- michael o'malley wrote: > >> I do think Joni should be sent a straightforward >> invitation to our fests, but >> we can only respect her decision to accept or >> decline - no explanation >> necessary. I think that ``scheming`` is definitely >> the wrong approach. My two >> cents. > >I think they were joking (I hope) but I agree with >your approach. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. > >Joni, please come to Jonifest this year. We promise we >won't fawn (OK, we promise we'll try not to?) and I >think you'll love it. > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:23:39 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covering Less wrote; I was playing the re-mastered NRH into work this morning and eventually got to listen to Joni's take on Dylan's 'it's all over now, baby blue'. I think it's just great. It alone is worth the 28 quid I paid amazon for this set. I sat in the parking lot at work and played the damned thing six times straight. I think she nails it beautifully. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- I was just floored by her take on this song as well and posted on it early on and the more I listen to her doing it I started to wonder could he have written this song about her. It all kind of fits as to the vagabond at the door is wearing those same clothes you once wore and painting fancy pictures on your sheets (the moon in the window picture left by Brad) and Chuck wearing those old conservative clothing like Joni did early on, and it was her decorating with old antiques and fancy Persian rugs that were moving under her when they both walked out telling her It's now all behind her take what you can from these experiences and move on cause It's all over now Baby Blue. His reference to blue is always kind of her theme back then. So does anyone know when he wrote that song and if my rhetoric has any substance? Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:47:01 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni covering Hi, Mingus! Your insight about this song and its connections with Joni's story are very interesting. However, I'd like to say that It's All Over Now, Baby Blue, even if I don't know for sure when Dylan actually wrote it, it features in his 1965 album: "Bringing it all back home", so probably it's from a date prior to their meeting. Anyway, it's very clear by your post that Joni felt like this song was written about her, ie: talking about her (you know what I mean) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Love Minus Zero/No limit, Bob Dylan Mingus says: > I was just floored by her take on this song as well and posted on it early > on and the more I listen to her doing it I started to wonder could he have > written this song about her. It all kind of fits as to the vagabond at the door is > wearing those same clothes you once wore and painting fancy pictures on your > sheets (the moon in the window picture left by Brad) and Chuck wearing those > old conservative clothing like Joni did early on, and it was her decorating > with old antiques and fancy Persian rugs that were moving under her when they > both walked out telling her It's now all behind her take what you can from these > experiences and move on cause It's all over now Baby Blue. His reference to > blue is always kind of her theme back then. So does anyone know when he wrote > that song and if my rhetoric has any substance? > > Peace > Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:18:04 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni statue The generous Rick from LA asked: <> Since I donated money for this project, I recently (2 or 3 times over the last 2 months) e-mailed the person that was heading this project to see where it was going, if anywhere at all. To this date, she *still* has not answered any of my e-mails, even though when I donated she stated that she would welcome any and all inquiries as to how the project was going. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:14:40 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Joni Covering Les Ross wrote: > Of course it's always a bit thorny, the covering thing. People hold super > precious the 'original' artist's take on the song being covered. I'm > slightly familiar with Dylan's version of this one but, as with all Dylan's > work, I kinda run into the rocks of this voice. I'm not a great fan of how > he sounds so choose not to get near the work of the man. I think that may be > mellowing a bit with (my) age but the prejudice lingers on. Anyway I'm > fairly sure that Joan's take on this song wanders away from the original - a > safe bet, I'm sure. > > > But if you agree that joni's cover of dylan is at least worthy and are > familiar with the man's work, what, from Dylan's vast catalogue, would > constitute good cover material for Joan when she goes to record a cd's worth > of this work - as surely she won't! (but we can dream...) > Dylan's voice (or lack of same) is a common obstacle to "getting into" the man's music, and I admit, his "unique" vocalizations take some getting used to. Ya either like/love him, or ya don't. I personally love him. Almost all my Dylan (from his early and mid periods) is on vinyl and I do not have possession of my albums at this point. However, that said, there are two cuts from "Blood on the Tracks" I'd dearly love to hear Joni cover if she would be so inclined: "You're a Big Girl Now" (would she change it to "Big Boy?") and "If You See Her, Say Hello." The lyrics to both these tunes reek of heartache and loss...something Joni has always been able to express in a manner unexcelled by anyone, IMHO. Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:44:06 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Joni statue > The generous Rick from LA asked: > > < size or maybe slightly larger than life size statue of Stevie Ray > Vaughan, so something similar in Saskatoon for Joni would > be great. And no, we don't have to wait until she is no longer > with us. Does anyone know how they raised the money for > the SRV statue and approx. how much it cost?>> > http://www.thestocktank.com/ptex0003.htm Great Statue I run by it about twice a month. I heard but cannot verify that Don Henley donated tens of thousands for the statue. You would have to contact either the Austin Visitors Bureau or the Texas Music Office. Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: amazing mary grace an update and reminder (mgval) Thank you everyone for your patience as I once again take up a wee bit of bandwidth so that I may reach everyone on the list, with a very important message. Again, read on and you will understand why. It's been a while since I posted any news about our Amazing Mary Grace Fund .. Back in December, we placed a call to all members of the JMDL to help ease the burden that Mary Grace continues to bear in her fight against a life threatening illness. First of all, as of December 25th, 2003, which was the last date of money received, the grand total collected so far is $1,880.00. (wow!) We are completely blown away by the incredible response, beyond our wildest dreams. How wonderful to take action to help our Jmdl sister and friend who has graced our list since near the beginning, c1996/7. I want to thank you all once again for your participation, and hopefully, you've received a hand written acknowledgement . If not, please write me off list and let me know. I am so proud to know that even people who have never met MG have participated. In at least one case, a person came forward with a donation because they just happened upon the home page where Les Irvin has posted a photo and a request there as well. Incredible, wouldnt you say? From my heart, I ask you, if this is something that you feel drawn to do, we are still accepting donations. We've received many variations on that theme, and trust me when I say, every little bit helps. Your donation remains anonymous and you will receive, as mentioned above, a hand written acknowledgement. thank you Ashara and Les for facilitating this and to everyone, really, for making this happen. And to all of you sending kind words, thoughts , prayers, intentions and well wishes for Mary Grace, please keep them going her way. Never estimate the power of what you can do personally to effect change. Again, please feel free to use the instructions as posted on our home page. www.jmdl.com You may send a cheque to: Ashara Productions, LLC 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 USA OR via Paypal a link can be found on the JMDL home page. www.jmdl.com all paypal fees have been generously paid for thus far by an anonymous donor. Ashara continues to forward the money directly to Mary Grace, who btw, is very touched by our assistance in her time of need. thank you for the multitude of kindness shown for this wonderful woman and her family. much love, Mags and Brian ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Covering --- Norman Pennington wrote: > Dylan's voice (or lack of same) is a common obstacle > to "getting into" the > man's music, and I admit, his "unique" vocalizations > take some getting used > to. Ya either like/love him, or ya don't. I > personally love him. Is it not interesting that so many people who cover Dylan's stuff end up "doing Dylan" on them? Most of his melodies are fairly simple, but there are, in fact, a few notes in them! Is it because his style of talk/singing is so engrained in us that everyone feels they have to do this? I never cared for the man's voice at all and yet - I prefer his singing (if you can call it that, LOL) his own material to anyone else's covering them, despite the fact that I don't care for his voice (how does that work, anyway? I've grown accustomed to him, I guess, and like him more now than I ever did when I was young, although somewhere in this house is a songbook of Dylan stuff that I've had since I was about 14 or so, so he was always kind of there somehow). I do like Joan Baez's version of "Sad-eyed lady of the lowlands", but am not crazy about her covers of a lot of Dylan's other stuff (Baez is like that - I love some of her stuff and can't stand her on other stuff.) Haven't heard Joni singing "Baby Blue" yet. Was going to break down and buy the Geffen thing when our dollar was up and so the price of the thing came down, but was too broke at the time, and then the dollar went back down and the price back up, so I just decided, feckit anyway, I don't want it badly enough! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:31:59 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Dylan's Singing SJC I don't understand you all. As Dylan says in _Don't Look Back_, he's a better singer than Caruso and he can hold his breath longer, too. Seriously, while he has his less than stellar moments, he's a great singer--not by conventional measures: his instrument is limited (and more limited with age, but so is Joni's) but his singing is original, expressive, and smart. And unlike Joni on BSN, he knows about phrasing. I'll here Joni's "Baby Blue" someday, but I won'r pay the US equivalent of 28 quid for that Geffen box. Happy New Year! Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:00:41 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: shake your fists at lightning I'm sure someone must have mentioned this on the list before, but I only heard it recently. Apparently, Beethoven was on his death bed, literally, surrounded by a few friends. Just before he died, there was a crack of thunder. Upon hearing it, Ludwig shook his fist at the sky, then died. "You've got to shake your fists at lightning now..." I'm not sure what the forest fire reference is to. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dylan's Singing SJC --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I don't understand you all. As Dylan says in _Don't > Look Back_, he's a > better singer than Caruso and he can hold his breath > longer, too. Well, I think maybe he held it a bit TOOOO long ;-) > Seriously, while he has his less than stellar > moments, he's a great > singer--not by conventional measures: his instrument > is limited (and more > limited with age, but so is Joni's) but his singing > is original, expressive, > and smart. And unlike Joni on BSN, he knows about > phrasing. That is very true not just of Dylan but of a whole lot of singers (vocalists?) who don't have pretty voices, but who have something else - expression, emotion, a sense of timing and phrasing, a way with words. I think as I move further into Old Fartdom, this all becomes much clearer to me (or maybe I'm just losing my hearing, heeheehee.) > I'll here Joni's "Baby Blue" someday, but I won'r > pay the US equivalent of > 28 quid for that Geffen box. Neither will I. I'm waiting for a sale. Or to buy a used copy. The damn thing's probably out of print (do they call it out of *print* when it's a recording? never mind) now anyway. I've never seen it in any store here in Toronto, (not that I've looked that hard and if something doesn't jump out and grab me, it doesn't exist, and I'm darned if I'm going to ask a clerk) but you can order it off websites - however, it's not something they'll ship next day, so they're probably getting it from the US now anyway. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:19:06 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: shake your fists at lightning In a message dated 1/7/2004 8:08:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: Apparently, Beethoven was on his death bed, literally, surrounded by a few friends. Just before he died, there was a crack of thunder. Upon hearing it, Ludwig shook his fist at the sky, then died. "You've got to shake your fists at lightning now..." I'm not sure what the forest fire reference is to. Thanks for sharing that, Anne! I had not heard this before and it's just another spectacular example of the way Joni can express an entire vignette of information with just a few words. Think how most other writers might take an entire song to tell that Beethoven deathbed story. And Joni tosses it off in a line in a verse in a song about something so much more encompassing! She's criticized for being verbose, but when you consider the vast amount of information she conveys, there really aren't that many words. Am I making sense? ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:29:18 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 8 1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:29:18 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 8 On January 8 the following article was published: 1969: "Joni pleases New York critic" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=772 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #4 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)