From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #396 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, December 21 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 396 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- question about Borderline performance(s) ["Marian" ] Re: Joni Compilation ["Rache A" ] Re: Nature of the JMDL [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #395 ["Timothy Spong" ] update on the mgval fund [magsnbrei ] mgval fund p.s. [magsnbrei ] Re: Joni Compilation ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Joni Compilation [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Compilation [Emiliano ] Open letter to the Joni List [MGVal@aol.com] Shadows And Light [David Marine ] it makes me sad [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Joni and darkness [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today's Library Links: December 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:58:02 -0500 From: "Marian" Subject: question about Borderline performance(s) I can remember seeing a video of Joni performing Borderline and I was able to find the one that was included on the first video tree - the CBC Troubadors of Folk performance on 5 June 1993. I really like this performance - I think the way she sings the song is more moving than the version that is on TI. However, I could swear I have seen a video of her singing this song to a different audience. I have tried to find it on the videos I have, but can't find it. It could be that I just FF'd past it at some point or maybe it's just a figment of my imagination. Does anybody know of another performance of Borderline and where I might find it? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:24:33 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Re: Joni Compilation delurking for a bit as it's winter break... yes eastern rain is great, also i'd nominate come to the sunshine and trouble man. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:33:26 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Nature of the JMDL I was away on vacation for a week, and then paid the price for another week at work, so I am catching up on two weeks of digests, and would like to weigh in (constructively, I hope) about the thread that Jim started. As has been pointed out, in any large group there will be a wide range of feelings and opinions. However, in this case, we are dealing with a list of Joni aficionados. And Joni was perhaps the first (and surely the quintessential) confessional singer songwriter - one who had the courage (and perhaps the folly - - or is it wisdom, after all) to bare her feelings publicly, even to those who did not know her personally. It is true that this was not mere spilling of guts - the art itself added redemptive justification for the self-revelations contained in it. But call it cathartic, or liberating, the act of opening oneself up - even in the tete a tete of saying 'I love you, right out loud' - resonated (and still does) with a lot of her listeners. From my perspective, it is not at all surprising that one will find more of this public openness on a Joni list than on other lists. Further triggering this post were my receipt of the Jonifest DVD's (thank you Ashara - they're truly wonderful !) and Michael Paz's post (repeated in part as follows): "Jim I wish I had the time to really get into this topic with you. I have been here since ALMOST the beginning and I have had my ups and downs like most. I do feel that I have grown as a person because of this list in many ways and most of all I feel I am closer to people here than people I work with or see socially regularly or people I Have none for 30 years +. One thing I recommend to you as a friend: GET THYSELF TO A JONIFEST!!!! It will change your life. It did mine and I know have friends that I will never forget or give up and we get so little time together." Unlike Michael, I have not been here from the beginning (I joined about 2-1/2 years ago). At first, I was not sure what to make of the rather odd (to my view) personal connections that appeared in the posts. Then, I learned that many had met each other at one gathering or another, which made it somewhat more understandable to me. I mean, there is a somewhat higher level of 'connectedness' that invariably and undeniably follows once people have "broken bread" with each other. But that is not really what Jim was alluding to, I do not think. I sense it was, instead, that rather "sit-commy like" discomfort that comes from being exposed to such openness, of partaking in others' - and sharing ones' own - private moments and flaws and virtues and pain and joy. There is risk in this, no doubt. But, like Joni says, you're bound to lose if you let the blues (or anything else, for that matter) get you scared to feel. So, I second Michael's suggestion - my first Jonifest this year changed my life in a positive way (as my after-fest post to the list attested). In that post, where I focused solely on the spirit of the fest - people rooting for and supporting one another in a pure, postive and loving way - I deliberately did not name names (thinking I might do so later). In viewing the DVD's, I recalled an impression from the Fest that I think bears noting now (better late than never) - namely, how unselfishly Michael Paz contributed to the musical presentations, via assistance with the sound system and rehearsals, accompanying others on their sets, and bringing groups together on his own set. This involved almost a total time and energy committment on his part, which he volunteered without any apparent ego fulfillment or request for thanks or applause. He made a lot of people feel good with his generosity - and I believe him when he says he has "grown as a person because of this list". Michael's a great guy, Jim. Getting to meet him at the next Fest would in and of itself be sufficient to justify your commitment of attending it :-) But it would by no means be the only plus you would take from it. Best, Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:31:24 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #395 Doug obviously knows more about it than I do, and perhaps I should beg forgiveness for jumping in half-cocked. Anyway, happy holidays to all out there in JMDL land! Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. Doug Meek wrote: - ------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:28:52 -0500 >From: Doug >Subject: Re: Joni Compilations (Why is "WMMR is a misprint)? > >It's complicated and I don't know if I have all my facts right but here >goes: >Gene Shay, who interviewed Joni and I assume made the recordings, >worked at WHAT at the time. He later moved to WMMR and had a 2 hour >Joni "retrospective" show in Jan.1974 in which he unearthed the tapes from >1966/67/68. This show contained the songs used on The Second Fret Sets. > I guess someone taped the show and put it out on vinyl. >Unless Gene himself did it, but I wouldn't think so. >The (1974) show has been transcribed for the JMDL archives. >Again, I may be wrong on some details. If so feel free to correct >me. I won't cry. Promise >Doug > >Timothy Spong wrote: > > > I am puzzled by "(WMMR is a misprint)" below. WMMR was and is an FM > > radio station in Philadelphia. In the late 1960s and some time beyond, > > it was a progressive station, apparently one of the ones where, in the > > past, folk maven Gene Shay held forth, possibly during those exact > > years. He is now associated with WXPN, the AAA station affiliated with > > the University of Pennsylvania, and WMMR plays hard rock. In 1967 and > > 1968, I could hear WMMR when I was home in Dover, Del., from Duke > > University in Durham, N.C., for summer, semester breaks or holidays -- > > or was it 1969 or 1970 until I discovered it? Not sure. While I don't > > remember hearing Joni Mitchell at all, there was other compatible music. > > > > Tim Spong > > Dover, Del., U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:31:26 -0500 > > From: Doug > > Subject: Re: Joni Compilation > > > > I will be receiving soon a 3 disc set called The Posall ans the Mosalm. > > It contains all of > > the Second Fret Sets plus others from the Second Fret Coffee House and > > the local > > Philadelphia radio station. (WMMR is a misprint) More discs on the way, > > I'll keep you posted. > > Doug > > > > Posall and the Mosalm Vol.1 contains: > > > > Live at the Second Fret,Philadelphia 10/12/67 (Night in the > > City,Come to the Sunshine,Chelsea Morning,Conversation, > > I Had A King,Cactus Tree,Little Green,Marcie,London > > Bridge,Ballerina Valeriel, Michael from Mountains,The Drummer > > Man, I Don't Know Where I stand, & Both Sides Now) > > WMMR Philadelphia Studios 5/28/67, Sugar Mountain, WMMR > > Studios 11/19/66 (with Chuck Mitchell), Circle game, > > Interview > > > > Posall and the Mosalm Vol.2 contains: > > > > Live at the Second Fret Club Philadelphia 3/17/67 (Morning > > Morgantown,Born to take the Highway,Eastern Rain, Circle > > Game, Song to a Seagull, Carnival in Kenora, Brandy Eyes, > > Winter Lady, Mr. Blue, Urge for Going, Both Sides Now, Night > > in the City, Circle Game, & Conversation) > > > > Posall and the Mosalm Vol.3 contains: > > > > WMMR Studios Fall 1968 (Sisowtobell Lane, The Gallery, > > Nathan LaFraneer) > > WMMR Studios 3/12/67 (Both Sides Now, Night in the City, and > > Circle Game) > > Second Fret Club 11/66 (Brandy Eyes, Urge for Going, > > Mr. Blue, Eastern Rain, Circle Game, and Night in the City) > > > _________________________________________________________________ Its our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: update on the mgval fund An update on the fund which has been generously built upon by this wonderful community: initially, $1,215.00 was sent to Mary Grace on 12/13/03 the next cheque was sent out today, 12/20/03for a total of $555.00 another $100.00 was received after that cheque was posted, and this will be included in the next cheque which will be sent out approximately a week from now...depending on what we have received in the meantime. A total of 33 people have graciously taken part thus far. One person who contributed had visited the jmdl web site once. This person was so moved by the spirit of this community that they decided to send something too. Some of the contributors have never met MG, and again, I am completely and deeply moved by the generosity and good will of the community, be that donations, thoughts, prayers and well wishes which, in my understanding are coming to MG in many forms. thank you to all the angels who are making this possible. Mags and Brian xo ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: mgval fund p.s. sorry i meant to say that the total, including the most recent receipt of the 100 dollars as per mentioned in my last post is : $1,850.00 many many thanks, mags. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:22:15 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re: Joni Compilation Hi Michael, This is a great idea and long overdue. As you remarked earlier, the sound quality of many of these unofficial recordings is quite poor, and unfortunately this probably eliminates a lot of stuff. However, as you know, there are some good quality recordings out there, including the Hissing Demos, A Day in the Garden, and the Gene Autry Museum concert. Another that has quite good sound is the Tokyo-London concert series of 1983. I particularly like A Case of You from this, which features a very soulful Joni on solo guitar. Amelia and Woodstock are also favorites here. Everything from Gene Autry is brilliant, and I'd be hard-pressed to chose my favorites of that show. The Rock Master Class radio show of 1985 has a great version of Joni on acoustic piano singing Impossible Dreamer. In the Hissing Demos, I especially like Boho Dance and Dreamland, the latter of which is the only version I've heard that features a strong guitar track. Happy holidays, Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Compilation --- michael o'malley wrote: > Hi Michael, > > This is a great idea and long overdue. As you > remarked earlier, the sound > quality of many of these unofficial recordings is > quite poor, and > unfortunately this probably eliminates a lot of > stuff. However, as you know, > there are some good quality recordings out there, > including the Hissing Demos, > A Day in the Garden, and the Gene Autry Museum > concert. Another that has quite > good sound is the Tokyo-London concert series of > 1983. I particularly like A > Case of You from this, which features a very soulful > Joni on solo guitar. > Amelia and Woodstock are also favorites here. I was holding off on replying to this at all because, I dunno, I just hate voting on favourite anythings. It requires too much commitment, LOL, but I'm a tad tipsy right now, having polished off half-a-bottle of wine on my own (just because). OK, so maybe the sound quality isn't the best, but I do LOVE the version of Shadows and Light that Joni does on the live at the Philly Spectrum show (when was that? 76? je ne said pas...) so much so that I'm practicing it for Jonifest 04 (but don't tell anyone, heh-heh.) I'd vote for that simply because of its "difference" and I'm not aware of any similar versions (that might "sound" a bit better) out there. Long live Joni. She rocks. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:54:48 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni Compilation Hi, You Rock! This is going very well! of course the original sound qualities aren't always the best ones, but... these songs! I only hope that I, a truly manazas, can be able to do a good editing on this :-) Peace and Love & Understanding! Emiliano NP: The Three Great Stimulants, from All Things Considered, NPR, Wahsington 28 may 1995 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Catherine McKay" Para: "michael o'malley" ; CC: Enviado: domingo, 21 de diciembre de 2003 0:36 Asunto: Re: Joni Compilation > --- michael o'malley wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > > > This is a great idea and long overdue. As you > > remarked earlier, the sound > > quality of many of these unofficial recordings is > > quite poor, and > > unfortunately this probably eliminates a lot of > > stuff. However, as you know, > > there are some good quality recordings out there, > > including the Hissing Demos, > > A Day in the Garden, and the Gene Autry Museum > > concert. Another that has quite > > good sound is the Tokyo-London concert series of > > 1983. I particularly like A > > Case of You from this, which features a very soulful > > Joni on solo guitar. > > Amelia and Woodstock are also favorites here. > > I was holding off on replying to this at all because, > I dunno, I just hate voting on favourite anythings. It > requires too much commitment, LOL, but I'm a tad tipsy > right now, having polished off half-a-bottle of wine > on my own (just because). OK, so maybe the sound > quality isn't the best, but I do LOVE the version of > Shadows and Light that Joni does on the live at the > Philly Spectrum show (when was that? 76? je ne sais > pas...) so much so that I'm practicing it for Jonifest > 04 (but don't tell anyone, heh-heh.) I'd vote for that > simply because of its "difference" and I'm not aware > of any similar versions (that might "sound" a bit > better) out there. (btw: The Spectrum Philadelphia, PA February 16, 1976) > > Long live Joni. She rocks. > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:44:11 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Open letter to the Joni List Dear Joni-philes, I'm sitting here wondering what to do with my window of opportunity of feeling "normal," when it occurred to me that the time is long past due to send a deep, heartfelt thank you to the JMDL from the bottom of my heart. When my husband and I went to the emergency ward over Thanksgiving, the most we were expecting was medical wonderment at how such a hairball ended up in my guts. To find out that it's cancer right when I was still enjoying my honeymoon period has just been the worst news I've had since the Mets lost the World Series back in the 70's. Fortunately, the list has so sweetly and kindly sprung into action; spearheaded by Colin, Ashara, Mags and others. I can't tell you enough how much Jeff and I appreciate it. The fund raising was so helpful - I'm not much up to adding, subtracting and dividing on the 10-key these days and Jeff will be taking a leave of absence in January. The cards, phone calls, emails and prayers have also been touching. After I was done being weepy at your kindness and out of Puffs tissues, it certainly lifted my spirits to know so many out there are sending such positive thoughts. Even in the worst of moments these past weeks, Jeff and I have experienced more than a little bit of divine intervention. So thank you all again. Right now, I'm just trying to regain my strength after a bout with a secondary infection. I have some doctor appointments right after the holidays and will then settle on a treatment plan. We'll keep you posted. much love and thanks, MG and Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:09:16 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Shadows And Light Dear List -- I need to replace my old Shadows And Light CD, and figure I may as well buy the DVD. Is there more than one release of the DVD, and if so, which do you suggest? Thanks, David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:57:39 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: it makes me sad it makes me sad sometimes to read the list, because you all have so much that i will never have. you've heard words that i will never hear, sounds that will never resonate in my ear. you are given lessons from the great joni that i will never share in. but then i think again, and she has given me so much, shared so very deeply with me and i am overwhelmingly grateful for what i have been offered and able to receive. why am i saying this? i guess we all wish for more sometimes, yet i know i am given all i need. praise God. thank you for sharing with me, all of you. peace Noel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:00:09 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and darkness Lori replied, re: a thread started I believe via a Jim/Anita dialogue "Doing a quick search of the JMDL lyrics database (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/), I found 27 songs where the word "dark" or "darkness" appears. Of course that doesn't mean that all those songs are about connecting with someone else in their darkness, but it might be fun and useful to do your own search and read the lyrics and see." Having just watched the DVD of Anita's emotionally charged version of "I Think I Understand", with virtually the entire audience chiming in as requested during the refrain lines (I Think I Understand, fear is like a wilderland, stepping stones and sinking sand), I would nominate that song (and Anita's performance) as evidence enough of that type of connection. I would add that it was a song that also made me shiver (and helped me not sink too deep) in my hours of darkness 30 + years ago. So, I'm with you on that one, Anita. Got my vote for "most favorite" song on "Clouds". :-) Best Bobsart I Think I Understand by Joni Mitchell Daylight falls upon the path The forest falls behind Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty The shadow trembles in its wrath I've robbed its blackness blind And tasted sunlight as my fear came clear to me I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones or sinking sand Now the way leads to the hills Above the steeple's chime Below me sleepy rooftops round the harbor It's there I'll take my thirsty fill Of friendship over wine Forgetting fear but never disregarding her Oh, I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones or sinking sand Sometimes voices in the night Will call me back again Back along the pathway of a troubled mind When forests rise to block the light That keeps a traveler sane I'll challenge them with flashes from a brighter time Oh, I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones and sinking sand Copyright ) 1969; Siquomb Publishing Company ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:01:08 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 21 On December 21 the following articles were published: 1998: "Asner, Mitchell in anti-DreamWorks Documentary" - PRNewswire (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=246 1999: "Interview of Joni Mitchell" - KCSN-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=426 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #396 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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