From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #390 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, December 15 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 390 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- whats in a name? [ash ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] A little Joni moment from today's Observer [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Grace suggestions ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now ["mike pritchard" ] apologies to joni onlys [vince ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now [magsnbrei ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now [Catherine McKay ] Today's Library Links: December 15 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:53:57 +1100 From: ash Subject: whats in a name? its almost Xmas..yes last night... My 15 year old son says.."I got you your present dad..what are you buying me he says?" I lie of course..."something you have always wanted.!"...its so easy as a parent to say these thing...... come back Doctor Suess!..he hopes its a girl as his hormones are racing! I then ask what he has got me?...his reply...as he is the type of lad who can't lie "You know.....mmm a CD of that old woman you like (he is teasing..of course?) the one with the white hair?" "You mean Joni...Joni Mitchell?"...I ask him..... as he is always on EBay! "er no...well its Jones!.......Rickie Lee Jones.......Jones?...Joni? whets the difference he says?" and I see that it is 'The Evening of My Best Day'...its had good revues..and I think what shall I get him?...... Emmylou Harris.....I am sure he would love that!!...okay Article in Australian Newspaper Magazine.... about Annie Leibovitz....... " Her Portrait of the R&B singer Mary J. Blige is striking in its raw simplicity, perfectly capturing both her subjects street cred and vulnerability. Joni Mitchell and Emmylou Harris are snapped with their eyes tightly closed, as if lost in thought, the simplest metaphor for the deep well of interior emotions both draw on in their music......." well it did mention Joni! Did you see Fleetwood Mac on the music awards?......what was done to them? Mick shouting we are 50+ and we are not dead...did look very good did it? Sheryl Crow!! and her greatest Hits Cd...she made the comment......I thought the greatest hits was good idea (mmm not the record company?)...I hope my career is not seen as being over by doing this? and the other Mick...Sir Mick...having a dig at Keef!! Ash last bit...how many boxed sets will be rushed out for the Xmas sales?...please not another Doors one...I have more that 10...!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:20:16 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 In a message dated 12/14/2003 3:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:41:49 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: grace songs Van Morrison - By His Grace Tim Hardin - You Upset the Grace of Living When You Lie Seems like Leonard Cohen should have one for this list huh? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:48:23 -0500 From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 Catherine writes: > actually - two questions for y'all: what's your favourite woodstock interpretation (original, csny version, miles of aisles, shadows and light, refuge of the roads, travelogue) and what's your favourite cut from travelogue? >> Hi JDML-ers, I'm coming out of lurkdom for a second to wish you all a very happy holiday season. As for my favorite version of Woodstock, I'd probably choose the one form Joni's Nov. 1998 Madison Sqaure Garden concert. Favorite track from Travelogue is The Last Time I Saw Richard, although The Circle Game is just as gorgeous. Best to you all, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:13:25 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: A little Joni moment from today's Observer In an article about monogamy from today's Observer review, a woman is talking about a choice she had to make thirty years ago between two men, one (Rob) a bit of a rake, the other (Mark) more stolid, she explains her reasons for choosing the latter thus: "Then they both proposed. I accepted Rob, but luckily a warning went off. It makes me think of the Joni Mitchell song, '...hot hot blazes come down to smoke and ash'." You see, Joni can help us all find our ideal life partner! Azeem in London NP: Adam Masterson - One Tale Too Many ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:30:08 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Grace suggestions Thanks, Daniel, That's a good one. Considering all the time Grace's father and I spent singing this in Irish bars when we should have been attending lectures... Cheers, Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel F. Carey" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: Grace suggestions > If I should Fall From Grace with God (The Pogues) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:47:16 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now Introduction - Chicago Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson Like a rolling stone - Bob Dylan Layla - Derek and the Dominoes Walk on the Wild Side - Lou Reed Paint it Black - Stones Superstition - Stevie Wonder I agree with Vince (no surprise there, then) that music is all about the sound, and here are some songs which hit me hard when I first heard the opening bars... Of course it is also true that words KEEP you interested but the music grabs your interest beforehand. I agree too (with someone else, not Vince) that reading lyrics ('Songs in the Key of Life' is one I remember particularly well) without the music is a ho-hum experience, but add the two together and you're off to the races. Cheers, mike in barcelona npimh Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock PS I would say that Chicago's 'Introduction' is the finest opening track on any first album. Heading for cover now... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:57:56 -0500 From: vince Subject: a personal story Labeled this for those who wish to avoid these things yesterday the grandson and I reviewed the list of grammy nominations for the top categories and the rap category - with all the rap and rock songs nominated - first time I can remember all the nominees good, really no treacle in the top categories - it was amazing how much of the music he and I have seen performed in the last year - went shopping and listened to the Soulful Celebration version of the Messiah and he got all into that - and for his Christmas present my little hippie hip hopin' rappin' chile wanted the new OutKast cd - but in the store, he held it, thought for a moment, put it back, got the new Blacked Eye Peas cd instead, and says this is the one I really want so I got that for him and (we did an immediate Christmas, who wants to wait) he popped in the jeep cd player and, having checked the track listing, said to put it on track 13... I did not know Black Eyed Peas much (saw them on the billboards awatds last wednesday, maybe 2nd or 3rd time I have seen them) and so when the song that he insisted on started playing, I hear this funky r&b rap thing and I am thinking, ok, cool, this is his taste, that's cool and it was a great sound - and then the words starting seeping into my head and I looked at him in wonder... asked him about it and he said this was the song he loved, he had seen the video on MTV a lot and wanted the song for the words - we high fived, he played the song over and over and over (the entire ride home that is all he played, kept hitting the repeat button), and I got choked up and he asked me if I were going to cry and I told him no but I almost did - when an 8 year old who is deeply influenced by someone like me picks out a song like this as his song of the year, somehow, something has been done right... it was my Christmas moment of a lifetime, hope lives --- and it turns out Justin Timberlake is featured on this song so I will not listen to any more knocks on Timberlake - he has developed into an accomplished artist all this time, has been doing some good work - of all the songs he could choose to be associated with, this is the one he chose - Vince and now for you all, the lyrics of Black Eyed Peas "Where is the Love" and hope lives, hope lives, from my grandson to you: What's wrong with the world, mama People livin' like they ain't got no mamas I think the whole world addicted to the drama Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism But we still got terrorists here livin' In the USA, the big CIA The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK But if you only have love for your own race Then you only leave space to discriminate And to discriminate only generates hate And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah Badness is what you demonstrate And that's exactly how it works and operates you gotta have love just to set it straight Take control of your mind and meditate Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love It just ain't the same, always unchanged New days are strange, is the world insane If love and peace is so strong Why are there pieces of love that don't belong Nations droppin' bombs Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones With the ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin' in Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug If you never know truth then you never know love Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the love, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder Most of us only care about money makin' Selfishness got us followin' our own direction Wrong information always shown by the media Negative images is the main criteria Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria Kids act like what they see in the cinema Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity Whatever happened to the fairness in equality Instead in spreading love we spreading animosity Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under Gotta keep my faith alive to lovers bound People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:01:19 -0500 From: vince Subject: apologies to joni onlys I just posted something and forgot the njc tag - it hasn't shown up in my inbox so maybe it got lost somewhere but if it comes through it is totally NJC and I forgot to label it and i deeply apologize Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now mike pritchard wrote: <<>> I'd like to back track on my initial post when I said that lyrics are the first thing for me....having read other posts about how much the music can reach inside you in those deep places, I cannot help but agree. So it's alittle of both. Funny, when I talked about lyrics being first, the truth of the matter is that I have a difficult time 'hearing' them unless I have headphones . np: schindler's list soundtrack....joshua bell does such a beautiful job on this . no words necessary... love, Mags catching up on email. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:38:33 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Stay connected and Dream Merry merry, I have been running around the last week back and forth to Ohio to the funeral of an aunt so I am just now reading all these posts! CRIPES! What is there in this life if we can not connect with one another? I have not been to a Jonifest, but have been able to meet up with and CONNECT with others on this list in person or off-list by choice. No one person is perfect, no list is perfect, but isn't that the beauty? There is great beauty in reaching out and making that connection blindly sometimes. I can not tell you how enriched I feel due to this list. I do not post often, and I take what I like and leave the rest. I have learned so much about Joni's music and life, it is unreal (and other musicians.) I have learned even more about the power of connecting!!!There is an old saying about if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem (or something like that). You mostly get out of it WHAT you put into something. I guess it depends on what level you choose to involve yourself. I know my doubting husband was blown away when we met up with a Jonilist member in person (love you Paz) recently. He could not imagine such love and generosity just from being on a list and posting to one another! Just a little venting there... on a lighter note I had a very vivid dream I was at Joni's house with her and she was showing me all around. I woke up and could have sworn I was really there conversing with her. Anyone care to interpret??? Happy Holidays and love to all, Janine NP: Women of Christmas in the Garden of Lillith: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now --- magsnbrei wrote: > mike pritchard wrote: > << music is all about the > sound, and here are some songs which hit me hard > when I first heard the > opening bars...>>> > > I'd like to back track on my initial post when I > said that lyrics are the first thing for > me....having read other posts about how much the > music can reach inside you in those deep places, I > cannot help but agree. So it's alittle of both. Yeah, I have to renege too. I first said I was a "words first" person, but now I take that back. I think initially the music draws me in, and then I listen to the lyrics. If the lyrics really suck, I probably won't keep listening to the music - on the other hand, sometimes it's just the beat - if it's good "beat" music, you just want to dance to it, so who cares about the words? If it's vocal music (um, yeah, there wouldn't be lyrics without that, eh?), then it's sometimes the particular voice of the singer that draws me in - if I don't care for the voice, it's hard to hear the lyrics. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:30:24 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Grace suggestions Hey what's wrong with Irish Bars, many of Guiness were put down then rather listen to a dry lecture at divinity school. We probably discussed more that had to do with day to day living then what we were taught in classes like History of the church which usually depressed me. Peace, Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike pritchard" To: "Daniel F. Carey" Cc: "list" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Grace suggestions > Thanks, Daniel, > That's a good one. Considering all the time Grace's father and I spent > singing this in Irish bars when we should have been attending lectures... > Cheers, > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel F. Carey" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:33 PM > Subject: Grace suggestions > > > > If I should Fall From Grace with God (The Pogues) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:20:05 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 15 On December 15 the following articles were published: 1994: "Question and Answer: Joni Mitchell" - Rolling Stone (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=19 1994: "Turbulent Indigo" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=290 2002: "The teacher and the debt" - The Age (Australia) (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1038 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #390 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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