From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #388 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, December 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 388 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view ["ash" ] A lurker responds..... [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst [tantra-apso ] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view [Catherine McKay ] Today show [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Today show ["David Rahall" ] Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst [tantra-apso ] Re:Look to this day and remember Mary Grace [Bob Shemkovitz ] Re: Re:Look to this day and remember Mary Grace ["Jim Leonard" ] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view ["mike pritchard" ] planting seeds for mary grace [magsnbrei ] Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace [tantra-apso ] Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace [tantra-apso ] Martha Wainwright, again ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Joni's up for a Grammy! ["ron" ] Today's Library Links: December 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:08:41 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view If you're not a Jonifest attendee, > you're pretty much frozen out and your posts are ignored by the "popular > kids." I stay on for the Joni discussions and don't care about making > friends here. I hope that my contributions to the discussion (less > frequent these days) is appreciated by the lurkers and the other "unpopular > kids." > > > At 06:06 PM 12/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >More and more I have felt like I am on the periphery of this > >'community'. It seems to me that the list is mainly for Jonifest > >attendees these days. Personally I feel like the rest of us are out > >in the woods somewhere unless we work really hard to force our way in. Ash here..... Okay I am in the woods.... literally here in Tasmania and they are chopping em down at a huge rate of knots..... Posts ignored mmmm?. well mine have always been published in full. Everytime I have posted, I get something off site as well and its always been something of interest...I myself have felt none of the negative vibes that you think you are feeling, but then I am pretty thick skinned! At the beginning I went and looked up the photos of the folks who attended the Jonifest, just to put a face to a name and to me they all appear like very normal people..who I would gladly welcome to stay here... "on the periphery"..at first like you, the posts lost me as the "popular kids" would talk to each other in their posts about events that made no sense to me..but it did not make me feel unwelcome at all, I did latch on to musicians names and commented on them...but I did not 'force' my way in, as there was no need to. My reason to join was to know more about Ms Mitchell.....yes?... but really I have learnt more about other artist, which for me is a huge bonus...imagine a site...just...Joni, Joni, Joni, etc..to me that would be a site I would visit, say once a month.... I lie ...weekly.. okay everyday still! but to have the other topics..brilliant. I was on a writers site (David Gemmell) and I wished to talk of other subjects and was told not to go 'off Subject'. many times and then one day I asked why a lot of Gemmells names seemed like Tolkiens names..OOOOOH! I was driven off the site!! I had broken the 1st commandment..though shall have no writer except Mr Gemmell! But with this site, I have reappraised my opinion of other artists and found my musical horizons broadedened and did they need broadening!!! I also laffed with this term "popular kids" and before that the mention of the "inner circle"..all this is very amusing and actually shows a great sense of humour, as you can't really believe this, that there is a us and them? But then is it not normal for groups to have the founders as the "popular kids"?..and in a way they have earned the 'kudos' or credit of keeping this wonderful site going..all I do is waffle on..they at least have spent time and their own money and LOVE to achieve the high standard of professionalism and I take my hat off to them, for a fantastic achievement, that has brought so much pleasure to me. Where I work, I don't think I am a "popular kid" as I come from the mainland ...but I recognise that I am accepted and that my view is as important as the groups, so I in return I listen to the newer workers....I feel I fit in the group. I see myself as a "nerd" if we use the school as the terminology..but it does not worry me..I would love to be "Jock" or sneakily a "cheer leader" ..I jest! Like this site and work, you take on to yourself what you need? But there are times I have wanted to skip topics.....as there are always so many but I have made myself read them all... as a lot seem to be about America. In doing this I have actually learned a lot, that has helped me understand people more. In today's life styles we are 'busy' and if someone starts a thread or a topic and no one follows thru, its not that the person or topic is dismissed, its just that people would like to, but have time restraints....I have seen many topics..that I have gone to add to but have found myself putting off and the maddening thing about this site..that there are so many clever folk on it, that is ALWAYS another topic...so please do not think, your post is wasted....I have at least read It! And as to Newbies....I see that each one is welcomed by others..which makes this site seem like a family or a community of caring and loving people. I have got so much out of this group of people and everyone seems so different as are the NJC bits, my evening at the computer is not complete unless I have sat and read my digest, sometimes I have come away awed by the reasoning, shook my head at certain comments, felt guilty that I will impress my friends with knowledge I have borrowed from the site, (mainly musical) nodded in agreement with certain topics and pissed myself laughing at others..I love the ones, where the poster has to explain what he posted was a joke..well I saw it as a joke in the 1st place!! I try to image each poster to this site, some in an apartment opposite Centeral park, a villa in Spain, a mansion in London, a huge log cabin in Canada etc I just love my 1/2 hour of my Joni digest (yep a slow reader) on this computer and then go and put on a Ms Mitchell CD.. and my last point..I actually have favourite posters.....I look at the index and am thrilled when I see certain names as I know that will be of interest or argument and then read or is it savour these digests?. and there has to be more than 30 posters on this site? and what's wrong with lurking??? after all its what is known as democracy? I think it was pointed out....that there was the Old Guard, Middle Guard and the Young Guard.....and any title with the word Young is pleasing to me!! oh yes this is meant to be a joke! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:41:15 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: A lurker responds..... Hi Jmdlers, A wee refection from Scotland...no its not a hand held mirror...as someone involved in training Community Educators, the concept of 'community' is important to me and professionals in this field. Communities change and develop all the time and in fact its that ability to re-build community which is an enduring feature of such groups. I see whats happening as entirely understandable and people will leave and new people wil join. Sad and good all at the one time. If anyone wants to read about 'community' theres a lot written about it...Delanty's book "Community' is a good start Hey, its coming on Christmas....Mike in Barcelona..r u gonna be in town from 22nd - 28th? If so , so will I . Staying near Placa Catalunya so if your about, get me an 'e'. (no Im not on drugs) Lighten up sweetie(s) Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:12:49 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst Randy Remote wrote: > >She seems to be so sour on mother issues that she rejects >completely the idea of being one. Mom is critical, guilt tripping, >Dad has been embraced as okay and supportive. > >And in "Facelift" she recounts a tense Christmas as she confronts >her mother's disapproval over Joni's unmarried sex. She shoots a >guilt dart of her own back at her mother, telling her to open her >gifts and be happy (even though you ruined my day). > >There are other examples, I'm sure. It seems she has alot of conflict >over issues of control, morality and conscience with her mother. Or >did when she wrote the songs- maybe she is past that by now. > It does seem to me that Joni has not learned to be her own parent and that her 'critical parent' is still lugged around by her. A sad situation. If she could free herself of her mother it would make such a difference. It may even affect her work positively. Sometimes what we project outwards is what we get back. Thank you for your response. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view --- ash wrote: > Ash here..... > Okay I am in the woods.... literally here in > Tasmania and they are chopping > em down at a huge rate of knots..... > > Posts ignored mmmm?. > well mine have always been published in full. > Everytime I have posted, I get something off site as > well and its always > been something of interest...I myself have felt none > of the negative vibes > that you think you are feeling, but then I am pretty > thick skinned! ... That helps. I'm not too easily offended myself and often don't even understand what exactly it was that pissed someone else off (so maybe I'm thick-headed as well as thick-skinned.) If I find something offensive, I generally try to give myself a cooling-off period before responding, in order to figure out just exactly what it was that pissed me off about whatever that person said and whether it's related to some other baggage I've been carrying around. Often it is. I was talking to some friends the other day about that - when people use certain words that my ex-husband used to use when we were fighting or he was putting me down (particularly when he was using them incorrectly to begin with), I find my hackles rising - even though the words themselves are basically innocuous (at least, when used correctly, LOL). So I have to realize it's not necessarily what the other person said, but the bad feelings it raises about bad times with my ex. With time, therapy and lots of drugs, this too shall pass. In the meantime, I have a list of words that really piss me off for no rational reason. > In today's life styles we are 'busy' and if someone > starts a thread or a > topic > and no one follows thru, its not that the person or > topic is dismissed, > its just that people would like to, but have time > restraints....I have seen > many topics..that I have gone to add to but have > found myself putting off > and the maddening thing about this site..that there > are so many clever folk > on it, that is ALWAYS another topic...so please do > not think, your post is > wasted....I have at least read It! Exactly. There are days I want to respond to every post (and days when I do) but I'm either really busy and decide to save it and respond later, and then too much time passes; or else I start feeling a little of that Catholic guilt about taking up too much bandwidth and wondering if everyone's going to hate me for posting too much (not that there's an actual limit, but there could be a perceived one.) > And as to Newbies....I see that each one is welcomed > by others..which makes > this site seem like a family or a community of > caring and loving people. > > I have got so much out of this group of people and > everyone seems so > different as are the NJC bits, my evening at the > computer is not complete > unless I have sat > and read my digest, sometimes I have come away awed > by the reasoning, shook > my head at certain comments, felt guilty that I will > impress my friends with > knowledge I have borrowed from the site, (mainly > musical) nodded in > agreement with certain topics and pissed myself > laughing at others.. Hello, my name is Catherine, and I'm a jmdl-holic. That's what I want to say sometimes. Every now & then I go into lurk mode to see if I can handle it. A couple of times I unsubbed for various reasons, but found myself sneaking back to read the archives. It's kind of sick! and I too have used info I picked up from the list in discussions with in-front-of-me-flesh-and-blood people, and I too, feel slightly (but not terribly) guilty about that. After all, if you read it in the newspaper, would you feel bad about it? btw, Ash, I always get a kick out of your posts. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst Randy Remote wrote: > >She seems to be so sour on mother issues that she > rejects > >completely the idea of being one. Mom is critical, > guilt tripping, > >Dad has been embraced as okay and supportive. > > > >And in "Facelift" she recounts a tense Christmas as > she confronts > >her mother's disapproval over Joni's unmarried sex. > She shoots a > >guilt dart of her own back at her mother, telling > her to open her > >gifts and be happy (even though you ruined my day). > > > >There are other examples, I'm sure. It seems she > has alot of conflict > >over issues of control, morality and conscience > with her mother. Or > >did when she wrote the songs- maybe she is past > that by now. > > --- tantra-apso wrote: > > It does seem to me that Joni has not learned to be > her own parent and > that her 'critical parent' is still lugged around by > her. A sad > situation. If she could free herself of her mother > it would make such a > difference. It may even affect her work positively. > Sometimes what we > project outwards is what we get back. I can relate to that. Joni says it well. Colin, I think you posted about this a little while ago and I wanted to respond at the time but then things got busy, so thank you, Colin and RR, for raising this issue again. Parents don't necessarily have to be abusive. Mine certainly weren't, but sometimes, if a kid is really sensitive and wants to please her parents, then nothing she can do is ever good enough. I have dealt with that in my own life and, even though both my parents are now dead, some of it remains. Often I tend to see only the bad things (about myself) and wonder whether I'll ever be "worthy" (of what?) I heard an interview with Seal on the radio last week or the week before and he said something that I found very touching and profound. His father used to abuse him, but Seal said that that was all part of what made HIM (Seal, that is) who he is today and if it weren't for that, then maybe he wouldn't have achieved what he has done. And he said, despite the abuse, he loves his father for that and thanks him for it. It wasn't said in a way that sound masochistic at all, not "thanks, Dad, for beating the crap out of me" - it was more a reflection on the fact that what we go through, what we deal with in life, is all part of what makes us the people we are now. I suppose a person could give in to the futility and drink or do drugs, but some people learn from every experience, no matter how terrible, and create something good out of it. In Joni's own words, "Life is for learning". ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:42:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Today show Michelle Branch is singing River live on the Today show right now. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:50:21 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Today show Dontcha wish we had even *faster* means of communication sometimes?:-) David Rahall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Joni List" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Today show > Michelle Branch is singing River live on the Today show right now. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:37:39 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst Catherine McKay wrote: > but some people >learn from every experience, no matter how terrible, >and create something good out of it. > > > yes. The best revenge is to live well as someone once said. However, I don't think it right to be grateful or thankful for abuse. Imagine how Seal's talent may have been expressed without the abuse. The act of abuse is purely negative and to turn into a power for good is outrageous. Seal is what he is because of himself, not because he was abused. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:59:20 -0500 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re:Look to this day and remember Mary Grace on 12/11/03 mags wrote: > Let me speak, for I have no bitterness there. > > This is not a time for analysis, or putting forth expertise on how things > should or should not be done, this is a grass roots, down to earth request, a > chance to help someone in need... > > I leave you with this Sanskrit Proverb > > Look to this day > for it is life > The very life of life > In its brief course lie all > the realities and verities of existence > The bliss of growth > The splendor of action > The glory of power > > For yesterday is but a dream > And tomorrow is only a vision > But today, well lived, > makes every yestereday a dream of happiness > And every tomorrow a vision of hope > Look well, therefore, to this day. Thank you, mags. I wasn't going to say anymore about this whole situation, but then you had to go and post a poem that has been a powerful force in my life for thirty years now, so I have to respond just one more time. With all the back-and-forth that's been going on here, your post sums it all up for me. It's not a time for analysis, expertise, intellectualization, rationalization, criticism, complaints, or arguments. A member of the community is in need. It's time to help. As far as I'm concerned, those who can help financially, even in a small way, are welcome to do so. Those who believe in the efficacy of prayer and wish to send some healing or comforting energy to Mary & her loved ones, should take the time to do so. Those who want to express their feelings about Mary privately, should do so. And those who want to express their feelings about Mary in the public forum in which they've "met" her, if only through her posts, should feel FREE to do so. I'm sorry that Mary is ill. I pray that a miracle will happen that will allow her loved ones to have her in their lives for a long, full, healthy lifetime. I appreciate the opportunity to give whatever small assistance I am able to. Thank you for inviting me to do so. You are a good soul. No bitterness here either! Peace to all. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:20:04 -0600 From: "William Waddell" Subject: River Hi everyone and Season's Greetings. On NBC's 'Today' show this morning, Michelle Branch sang 'River'. Maybe she does a version of it on a new album or something. WtSx _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year  six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:50:18 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Re:Look to this day and remember Mary Grace From: "Bob Shemkovitz" > And those who want to express their feelings about Mary in the public forum in which they've "met" her, if only through her posts, should feel FREE to do so. > I agree wholeheartedly, and am saddened that not everyone understood the distinctions I was trying to draw the last couple of days between posts such as the ones Bob is describing and those which are one-to-one communications for the whole of the JMDL is used as the delivery method. At this point, however, I do want to retreat from my argument, and to also apologize. I did understand what Vince was saying in his post of yesterday, about his need to be reassured that people who are alone and in need of comfort are being consoled, and I thank you Vince for your eye-opening rationale and for the gentle tone of your post. I can't say that I agree with you that the "official" Joni Mitchell Discussion List, which is linked from the Joni Mitchell web site, is the proper forum for a plethora of what, in my opinion, should be private messages to those individuals who cry out, but mine seems to be the minority opinion (to say the least). I respect the decision. As far as an apology is concerned, Kate is right in that I was out of line to assign ulterior motives to the public posting of what I considered to be private, one-to-one messages. Until Vince spoke up, it didn't occur to me that there was a rationale for posting -- "so that all may see" -- a lot of birthday greetings, messages of support, etc. I always thought those messages would be more sincere and be more meaningful to the recipient if sent off-list, and that people who were using the greater JMDL as the delivery vehicle for one-to-one messages were not being entirely selfless, but I now see that other possibilities exist. I do apologize. At this point, I would appreciate it if my apology is accepted and that we all move on. I don't think this was necessarily a debate which shouldn't have taken place, and I hope you join me in being glad that we've aired-out our differences of opinion on what should be "the nature of the JMDL" as the "official" discussion list of the Joni Mitchell web site. That's where I was really coming from. Welcome, you newbies, and please come home, Mark. I alluded to the fact that one of the reasons I stay subscribed is that I genuinely look forward to certain people's posts. You were at the top of my short list. Best to all, sincerely, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:57:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now I really treasure both. But when it comes to what I respond to initially and strongest, it's the music. When I hear a song for the first time, unless I really focus my attention, I can't even hear the words. I think the lyrics to Court and Spark and Hejira are some of the finest ever written. But I could listen to these songs with the vocal track removed and be tremendously affected and probably have an emotional experience very similar to the one i have listening to both the words and the music. That is something Joni does so damn well. Creating emotional landscapes with her musical compositions that reflect the intent behind her lyrics to a tee. And complex landscapes too, not just "I'm happy" "I'm sad." but more like "I'm content, but searching, tinged with longing, atop an undercurrent of regret..." And Buck, since Bob Muller our "covers king" and oh so reliable welcome wagon is on hiatus until January, let me be the first to say welcome to the list and keep on posting. Jenny Norman Pennington wrote: For me, it has to be BOTH before I'll put my money down. The artists I've stayed with over the years (e.g., Van Morrison, Neil Young, Lyle Lovett, Etta James) seem to be equally good at creating (or purloining) outstanding music and combining it with thoughtful lyrics with either insight or emotion that strikes a chord with me. As an example, I fell off the Joni boat for a while after DJRD and Mingus...I guess I'm just not as musically developed as others when it comes to appreciating jazz. I need that catchy melodic "hook" along with The Deeper Meaning for anything to work for me! Buck Pennington, a newbie temporarily living in Portales, New Mexico. NP: SportsCenter From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > > >>>Are you a words-first person or a music-first person?<<< New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:59:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace > As far as an apology is concerned, Kate is right in that I was out of line > to assign ulterior motives to the public posting of what I considered to be > private, one-to-one messages. Until Vince spoke up, it didn't occur to me > that there was a rationale for posting -- "so that all may see" -- a lot of > birthday greetings, messages of support, etc. I always thought those > messages would be more sincere and be more meaningful to the recipient if > sent off-list, and that people who were using the greater JMDL as the > delivery vehicle for one-to-one messages were not being entirely selfless, > but I now see that other possibilities exist. I do apologize. > > Best to all, sincerely, > Jim > You are a class act, and a valued member of this group. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:28:41 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now Stated beautifully, Jen. I'm thinking "Cold Blue Steel" but it applies just as aptly to, say, "Night Ride Home" Her whole body of work, really. It becomes just a question of degree. That ability, above all her many other gifts, exemplifies her musical genius to me. Welcome to the JMDL, Buck! Many happy returns. - -Julius In a message dated 12/12/2003 7:58:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > That is something Joni does so damn well. Creating emotional landscapes > with her musical compositions that reflect the intent behind her lyrics to a > tee. And complex landscapes too, not just "I'm happy" "I'm sad." but more like > "I'm content, but searching, tinged with longing, atop an undercurrent of > regret..." > > Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:30:32 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now Pre-Joni, I was very much a music-first person. Then I bought Hejira, primarily to check out Jaco's work sans Weather Report. That was the point where I started really listening to the words. Not just listening, but looking for the meaning behind songs, reading between the lines. What a revelation! It's an amazing thing in that it led my to find some of the gems among my existing CD collection that had lain hidden until then. That said, it's made me into a words AND music person, which is why I've had so much trouble with much of Joni's material from the 80s onwards: while the words are still good, I'm just not a huge fan of the musical direction she took. Wild Dogs In A Rainstorm being my biggest sticking points, even now. Regards, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: joni stuff and other stuff SJC (are we still using that tag?) hey everybody! how's my healthy happy joni family !?!? anybody see that girlie michelle branch on the today show this morning singing river? it was a pretty popped out version, but still good and still made me cry in my coffee a bit, as it does nearly every time i hear it... i played it on my radio show last week, and will continue to play it until people complain (which won't happen because my listeners love the joan). radio show is krcl.org web-listenable, by the way, each wednesday morning from 6 to 9 am mountain slacker time. so my good friend calls me up last night and says, hey i just got some new joni cd's from a co-worker, do you have the hissing of summer lawns? and i'm like, "uh, YEAH, duh", the nerve..and she says "well what about night ride home?" and i'm like, "well, duh, yeah!, of course!", and she's like "both sides now?" and i'm like, well, yeah! and she says, damn, i wanted to get rid of that one, and i said, "me too!" and we had a good laugh. also, one short story...the first time I met MG was at my first jonifest i think, i guess four years ago now, and i sat down next to her and was idly jabbering away as i am wont to do, and she kind of ignored me and i thought, well, hmpff, she obviously isn't interested in what I have to say! later i was saying to someone, i think it was jimmy?, i don't think MG likes me! and he says, why? and i say, well i was trying to start a conversation with her, and she just ignored me! and he says, alison, you moron, she's hearing impaired! she probably didn't have clue you were talking to her! and i go DOH! in true homer fashion. later, i was able to repair my idiocy, and we had a good laugh, and i have since gone on to have fascinating discussions with this kind and wonderful soul. MG, my heart and thoughts are with you and your family now. love to all this nutty miscellaneous holiday season... sorry for the touchy feely shit, jim! ;-) alison e. in slc np: willie porter __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:35 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Seeding Artwork For those of you interested on artwork for the Seeding of Summer Lawns CD, a guy from the Acoustic Harmonies List did this fab artwork for it and you can find it at this link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/acousticharmonies/files/Joni%20Mitchell/ For those of you who like trading music this is a great list with lots of the stuff that I know many of you like. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:34:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: Love: Joni content!!!!!!!!!! Jim Leonard wrote: > > > > and I thank you Vince for your eye-opening >rationale and for the gentle tone of your post. Until Vince spoke up, it didn't occur to me >that there was a rationale for posting -- "so that all may see" -- > whoa, something I said was meaningful and worthwhile? I am marking this day down on my calendar! It was not just another silly post from me!!!!! Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while... thank you Jim for your kind words and I will echo what Jerry Notaro posted about you... now within the last 30 minutes, just before I read Jim's email, it finally dawned on me what is the name of a Joni Mitchell song that another musician has used as the same name for another song.... Love (WTRF) Love by John Lennon - love is you, you are love... love is reaching... love is needing to be loved... Love to everyone! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:29:45 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view >>I try to image each poster to this site, some in an apartment opposite Central park, a villa in Spain, a mansion in London, a huge log cabin in Canada etc<< I can't speak for the other jonilistas in Spain (hello Emiliano, Paul, Gill, Jordi...) but I DO live here although not in a villa. 92 square metres of inner city building, with mostly 'Filipino' and Moroccan neighbours and the occasional green parrot flying past the window. What's your view like Ash? I enjoy your posts. mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:42:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst Colin >It does seem to me that Joni has not learned to be her own parent and that her 'critical parent' is still lugged around by her. A sad situation. If she could free herself of her mother it would make such a difference. It may even affect her work positively. Sometimes what we project outwards is what we get back.< Great insight colin! I feel privileged to be in some wonderful groups where people tackle these kinds of issues on a regular basis & so much is reveled! Our parents affect us to the core of our being & sorting & separating is a lifelong process... I recall sting writing two records related in some way to this...one he wrote after he lost his mom, the other when he lost his dad... I forget which is which right now... I think so much work can be done around our mothers & fathers but are we truly ever free? Don't know (now I am wondering about my own son & how much he may be lugging around about me!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: planting seeds for mary grace thus far, 20 people have donated a total of $1,215.00 for mary grace . again, this is an incredible, incredible demonstration of the care and concern that exists in this community . and for those who offer thoughts, prayers, and well wishes, thank you for those priceless gifts as well. with more gratitude than i can express, love, mags. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:32 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace what a grown up you are Jim. Not everyday you get to read a post like that. thank you. and no i m not being sarcastic. i am tuly impressed by your seeing a different point and your apology. both happenings are rare indeed, not just here but in the world. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:57:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Today show I wonder if that is who I heard singing that song when I was in a restaurant the other night...the woman had an enjoyable but not all that distinctive voice...she sang the song pretty close to joni's version... >Michelle Branch is singing River live on the Today show right now. Jerry< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:52:56 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:34:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: one more thing about the mary grace fund Yes, well said chuck...MG really amazed me with her ability to combine all those elements together in her posts...a unique one of a kind person & I have not even met her in person... one that will always shine brightly in my memory is her description of when nikki visted her & something about when her ex came to get the kids she found nikki in the car with them... What a treasure of a human being she is... Kate, saying big prayers for her health recovery... >I have been thinking tonight about the earlier days of the JMDL list, and wondering if it would even be here today without MG's input, her wisdom, her wit, and always, her straight shooting, during formative times.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:39:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni stuff and other stuff SJC (are we still using that tag?) --- Alison E wrote: > hey everybody! how's my healthy happy joni family > !?!? > anybody see that girlie michelle branch on the today > show this morning singing river? it was a pretty > popped out version, but still good and still made me > cry in my coffee a bit, as it does nearly every time > i > hear it... > i played it on my radio show last week, and will > continue to play it until people complain (which > won't > happen because my listeners love the joan). > radio show is krcl.org web-listenable, by the way, > each wednesday morning from 6 to 9 am mountain > slacker > time. Ha. Another road to Joni for my Sarah who also likes Michelle Branch. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:22:49 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Joni's up for a Grammy! I just noticed this at Grammy.com: Best Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vocalist(s) (An Arranger's Award. (Artist names appear in parenthesis.) Singles or Tracks only.) * Woodstock Vince Mendoza, arranger (Joni Mitchell) Track from: Travelogue [Nonesuch] well it's a vince mendoza award, not gonna have joni's name on it, but still, it's great to see some recognition of Travelogue at this year's awards! strange that they picked woodstock, though. i've always felt it was the weakest cut from travelogue - the arrangement was dull, and joni seems cut off from the lyrics, like she's reading a script in a monotone. something like you dream flat tires, slouching towards bethlehem, judgement of the moon and stars, sex kills, would've been a better choice. i'd love to see a grammy with "God Must Be A Boogie Man" engraved on it, too. perhaps they chose woodstock cause it's the most famous cut.] the competition is: Armando's Rhumba Chick Corea, arranger (Chick Corea & Bobby McFerrin) Track from: Rendezvous In New York [Stretch Records] Chega De Saudade Jorge Calandrelli, arranger (Yo-Yo Ma & Rosa Passos) Track from: Obrigado Brazil [Sony Classical] Comes Love Gordon Goodwin, arranger (Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band Featuring Brian McKnight And Take 6) Track from: XXL [Silverline Records] In The Bleak Midwinter John Patitucci, arranger (John Patitucci) Track from: Songs, Stories & Spirituals [Concord Records] _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:59:42 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Martha Wainwright, again I'm re-sending this because I think perhaps it didn't make it to the list. I didn't receive any comments on this post, and I'm unsure what that means. I dont get the full digest so I don't know if Martha W. has been discussed here. I recently saw her with bro Rufus and co. at their Quebec City gig. Mom Kate was on hand to accompany each of them on the piano for one song, that was a treat. Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Rufus - he has always struck me as being a bit of a brat, albeit a talented one. I must say though, in his defense, he is a charming and generous performer. He chatted extensively with the audience, in his horrible French, which, of course, endeared him to us even more. And he delivered the musical goods with applomb. Maria Muldaur's daughter, Jenny, was also one of his back-up singers. However, for me, the star of the show was Rufus' younger sister, Martha, who opened for him on solo guitar. This young lady has an amazing voice - touches of Mary Margaret O'Hara (another unsung Canadian great) - great fire in her belly - and most of all - dramatic stage presence. Martha is very much the actress and seems to be able to bring her emotions to the fore when she performs. Wow - she is a knockout. I could have easily spent the entire evening listening and watching her. For those of you in New York City, apparently she often performs at that ``most unhip of sleazy dives, the Nightengale Bar (2nd Ave. & 13th St. in Manhattan) Monday nights at 10pm . `` Martha has a demo out, and a fan site on the net as well. Catch a rising star. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:20:05 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni's up for a Grammy! hi >>>>>dylan wrote > Best Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vocalist(s) > * Woodstock> Vince Mendoza, arranger (Joni Mitchell) well, for a long time, i found that woodstock was the only track i enjoyed on the album. of course, that has all changed now & ive grown to love the album :-) and on the subject of grammy's - i se that sonny landreth is up for one as well !!!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:37:59 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 13 On December 13 the following article was published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Hangs It Up" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=142 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #388 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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