From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #387 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 12 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 387 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: festers are the besters [LCStanley7@aol.com] (no subject) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst [Randy Remote ] Today's Library Links: December 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today in History: December 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:43:42 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: festers are the besters Lori wrote: > Since I go to Jonifest, does this mean I've finally achieved that goal? In the words of Wayne and Garth, from down on my knees and bowing: I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy!!! Love and laughs, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:47:46 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: (no subject) "Every time I read one post expressing something for another poster, it does my heart good whether I am involved in that conversation or not." This from Vince tonight really says it all, IMO. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:48:48 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst tantra-apso wrote: > despite all the njc debates, whenever I > write about Joni driectly, no responses, no nothing ...weird...but maybe > it is because i have no musical talent and therefore what i write > is not considered worthy...or as someone once > suggested, you need a degree to truly get Joni whenever? no one ever replies? we must fix that.... Actually, Colin, I had been thinking about the post you wrote about Joni's need for her mother's approval, and her resentment of same. I thought you were definitely on to something, and there is good support of this idea within some of Joni's songs. I no longer have all of your original post... tantra-apso wrote: > From what i ahev read of what is availbale, it would seem she neevr > felt she had her mothers approval > (I > don't know about her father's level of approval/acceptance). Maybe some clues in her songs: Papa's faith is people Mama, she believes in cleanin' Papa brought home the sugar Mama taught me the deeper meaning (sarcasm?) She don't like my kickpleat skirt She don't like my eyelids painted green She don't like me stayin' up late Livin' for that rock and roll dancin' scene Papa says leave the girl alone Mama She's lookin' like a movie queen Mama thinks she spoiled me rotten Papa knows he set me free Mama thinks she spoiled me rotten She blames herself But Papa he blesses me It's a rough road to travel mama Let go now It's always called for me Sometimes I get that feelin' like I want to raise up a child with somebody But it passes like the summer, I'm a wild seed again Let the Wind Carry Me (Let The Wind Carry Me) (FTR) She seems to be so sour on mother issues that she rejects completely the idea of being one. Mom is critical, guilt tripping, Dad has been embraced as okay and supportive. And in "Facelift" she recounts a tense Christmas as she confronts her mother's disapproval over Joni's unmarried sex. She shoots a guilt dart of her own back at her mother, telling her to open her gifts and be happy (even though you ruined my day). There are other examples, I'm sure. It seems she has alot of conflict over issues of control, morality and conscience with her mother. Or did when she wrote the songs- maybe she is past that by now. Anyway, I thought you had some interesting insights. So there. RR > > One way out of her bind is to realise, at gut level, that her mother is > just a fallible human being and her accpetance/approval of her daughter > is of no real value. Her mother's ideas and standards are just her > mother's, they are not universal truths. her mothers opinion of her > daughter, is nothing more than an opinion and ought carry no more weight > than the opinion of any one else. In the end, it is Joni's opinion that > counts, her own approval and acceptance of herself that will releive her > of this weight she carries. Armed with her own approval, the lack of > honours will not cut so deeply becauseit won't be so wrapped in that > intial rejection-that of her mother's. > > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:28:20 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 12 On December 12 the following articles were published: 1970: "Joni Mitchell" - Cue (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=938 1996: "Songwriters Honor Mitchell, Leiber & Stoller, Robinson" - Reuters/Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=317 2001: "Joni Mitchell, Al Green To Be Honored At 2002 Grammys" - Launch.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=706 2001: "Singing Sensation" - Pulse24.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=726 2002: "Travelogue" - Santa Barbara Independent (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1037 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:28:20 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 12 1995: Joni appeared on the Tonight Show - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #387 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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