From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #385 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, December 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 385 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - remastering? ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Here we go again [Michael Paz ] Goodbye ["Mark or Travis" ] Thanks ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Miles of Aisles [Catherine McKay ] Re: Cool Water - What CD Is That On? [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - remastering? Thanks Richard - I'll grab myself a copy. A true remaster would, of course, require going back to the original master tapes. Sometimes they are no longer in existance - and with these personal projects I can only work from the best available commercial copy I can find. The purpose of true remastering is to be as faithful as possible to the original production, doing everything possible to bring that out in it's best light. What I'm doing with these projects is looking to see if I can reveal the music better than was originally done. Sounds a bit arrogant, but it's only what I do from day to day with normal mastering; I'm presented with mixes which, for whatever reasons, sometimes aren't sounding quite as good as they could. It's my job to recognise what, if anything, can be done to improve the audio, so that it can be presented in the best possible light. If I get a copy of the HDCD HOSL, it will likely be an accurate representation of the original masters, but still may have the thinness that I've heard on my cassette and CD-R, if that was how the original masters sound. I can give it a listen, and see if I can still bring some more out. Martin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Flynn To: Martin Giles ; Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: RE: The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - remastering? > HOSL does exist in an HDCD version. To my ears that and the vinyl are the > best existing versions. > > How do you remaster without master tapes? Oh, I just looked down and see > you use inverted commas with the term 'remaster'. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > > Martin Giles > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:56 PM > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - remastering? > > > > > > Hi folks > > > > I have to admit to a personal failing, in that I don't actually > > own a legit > > copy of HOSL. I have a CD-R and a rough old pre-recorded cassette, both of > > which sound very thin and 'edgy'. Some of you will know that I work in a > > music studio as a mastering engineer. Every now and then, I get > > the urge to > > 'remaster' (for my own benefit) an album in my collection. So, I was > > thinking of doing a remastering job on 'Hissing', but I need to start with > > the best commercially available version. > > > > So my question is - What's regarded as the best available > > edition? Is there > > a HDCD edition of it to be had? > > > > Some initial explorations with my CD-R copy seem to show very promising > > results, so I've definitely got the urge to tackle this now. If it bears > > fruit - would anyone be interested in a copy? > > > > Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:23:35 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #384 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:31:00 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #384 In a message dated 12/10/2003 6:24:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:10:54 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Here we go again I wish that you people would decide to have a Joni Mitchell discussion list (as the Joni Mitchell website advertises, and to which newbies are directed) -- Ah the irony of it all .... I just pretty much skipped the last issue - too much information on the "here we goes again" (did see that Christie Brinkley remark - huh???- vintage JMDL) 'cause I can. I don't even mind when sombody flubs and - heaven forbids - posts a NJC. Will check tomorrow and hope it all ends. By the way - I thought it wonderful that folks want to and support a cohort the way they have (and I'm talking about the original post - not all the lectures to the poor fellow who started this all). Peace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:41:09 +1100 From: Melissa Subject: Re: Here we go again At the risk of dragging this post out way longer than is warranted, I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth. As an infrequent poster but an avid reader, I accept the JMDL for what it has evolved into. If I'm not interested in a particular thread, I simply skip or skim it. On balance, the things that interest me outweigh those that don't, and while ever the balance stays in favour of things that interest me, I'm happy. It may be presumptuous of me to say so, but I have a feeling that Joni herself would want us listers to be supportive and tolerant. Joni's music, art and words evoke such strong emotions that it's almost possible not to get a bit "touchy-feely" when discussing her talent with those who appreciate it. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:32:33 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Here we go again Jim I wish I had the time to really get into this topic with you. I have been here since ALMOST the beginning and I have had my ups and downs like most. I do feel that I have grown as a person because of this list in many ways and most of all I feel I am closer to people here than people I work with or see socially regularly or people I Have none for 30 years +. One thing I recommend to you as a friend: GET THYSELF TO A JONIFEST!!!! It will change your life. It did mine and I know have friends that I will never forget or give up and we get so little time together. It's just not fair. Who the hell was gonna start the JoniList retirement home for wayward chirren??? I agonize over the last conversations I had with Andrea before we lost her because I truly believe that if she would have gotten in the car with Lori and come down to Full Moon, we would still count her amongst the active members here on the list. I also believe that this is like a family and you have your closer brothers and sisters and the ones that bug you and every variation thereof. My point is that I have learned to deal with my family and enjoy the fruits (not YOU Jimmy) of all aspects of this list including the negative because I learn and grow from it. I am personllay inviting you to come to the next fest wherever that may be. And also open invitation to a mini fest in New Orleans (the mini ones are better cause you have more one on one time RIGHT GISELE????) Anyways thanks for taking the pressure off of others with a new thread. Best Paz NP-Billboard Music awards (OMG I love the song No Doubt did by Talk Talk but she was so flat vocally. > I wish that you people would decide to have a Joni Mitchell discussion list > (as the Joni Mitchell website advertises, and to which newbies are > directed) -- one which would be like other music-oriented discussion lists > I'm on -- instead of a "Caring Friends Network" list. (I'm speaking in > general here, and not specifically about the call for funds for MG.) All of > this *on-list*, community involvement in each other's personal lives has > made me uncomfortable here from the first, and, in my opinion, it has always > been a potential powder keg -- one which is now about to blow, it would > appear. > > I have been moved to post at length, several times over the past couple of > years, as to my rationale for feeling this way (so I won't again tonight), > and, in doing so, I have made some (imo) very persuasive arguments for there > being a different "environment" here on what is supposed to me the > J(oni)M(itchell)D(iscussion)L(ist). "Joni Only" is not the answer for me -- > nor should it be my alternative -- as my interests are more wide-ranging as > they pertain to music and other arts enjoyed by fans of Joni Mitchell. How > about, instead, if people want to have a "supportive friends' list," they be > asked to start a new "supportive friends' list" instead? Those same people > could be active here on the JMDL, as well, if the topics are of sufficient > interest to them. > > How many active posters are there here, really? Thirty, maybe? Do we have > any idea what that number represents, percentage-wise, verses the total > number of subscribers? Think of the music content we are likely missing > because of this touchy-feely close-knit group thing that goes on ad nauseum. > How many people come to the list via the website (as I did), lurk for a week > or so, and then unsub? I'll bet it's a fair number. Either that or they > continue to lurk for the perverse enjoyment of watching you all. I've stayed > because Joni Mitchell is one of the handful of artists who's meant the most > to me in my lifetime, and because there are people here whose posts I > genuinely look forward to reading. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:06:13 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Goodbye There are 48 unread emails in the Joni file tonight. I don't want to read them. More and more I have felt like I am on the periphery of this 'community'. It seems to me that the list is mainly for Jonifest attendees these days. Personally I feel like the rest of us are out in the woods somewhere unless we work really hard to force our way in. I don't want to do it anymore. Ashara, I love you. I'm sorry you have been hurt. I admire you and in no way mean to say anything negative about Jonifest. I think it's a wonderful thing you have created and have the utmost respect for your organizational skills, generosity and good intentions. Your ability to make things happen never ceases to amaze me. You are a light in a dark world. Mags, Although we have never met, I feel that I know you. You have one of the biggest hearts and most generous spirits I have ever encountered. I am sorry that you have been hurt as well. Please, please stay in touch. Jim, There was a time when you would never have admitted to being in the wrong. You would have responded with anger and sarcasm. You didn't do that this time. You admitted you were wrong and you apologized. I respect you for that. I think you have grown as a human being. For that reason I think you deserve to have some slack cut for you. I hope people will do that. Btw, the live Junkies cds you sent me are wonderful. Thank you so much for your generosity. MG, If you're still reading the list, I love you too. I have met you on two occasions (Ashara's and the BSN concert) and can only say you are a complete delight. A truly lovely human being. You are in my thoughts and prayers. To everyone else whose generosity I have benefited from or who have had a kind word for me over the years, thank you all. There are a lot of very fine people on this list and I will miss many of you. Many of you know that I am lousy at keeping up a correspondence but if you want to write me, please do. For now, I think I need to find some other outlet for my obvious need to express myself via the written word. So here's to you May your skies be blue And your love blest That's my best to you. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:04:16 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Thanks Mr. Jimmy Stewart always reposts my Thanksgiving message to the list. Thanks for doing that Jimmy. There is a lot more that, in recent days, I have reflected on and been thankful for. Thanks to Julie Z. Webb, who took the plunge and first opened her home to a bunch of internet crazies. What courage it must have taken for you to do this. I don't know if you are still here, or if you ever drop by the archives, but if you do, bless you and happy holidays. It was at Julie's that I met Mary Grace. What a wonderful, giving, caring individual. We have shared mailings on and off for years. Everyday I light a candle for you and send healing thoughts your way. Thank you for entering my life and lifting my spirits. I know that you have done the same for many others here. Out of nowhere came Ashara, willing to pick up the torch when Julie understood that it was just too much to think of EVER making this an annual event. Because, you see, those of us that went, and basically did NONE of the work, wanted to go again. Who wouldn't? After all, the only thing we really did was travel! Thank you Ashara. You opened your heart and home to me. Let me stay with you, break bread, sing, laugh and cry. This past year, the most difficult ever in my life, you helped me with a scholarship to attend Jonifest at Full Moon. I would not have been able to go without this help. Mostly, thanks for having a FOURTH fest. Each year I wasn't able to attend at your home it bummed me out. When I finally did go I understood why everyone wanted you to continue but I couldn't imagine HOW you ever pulled it off year after year. I really would like to take the time to thank each and every one of you who I have met. There are so many acts of unselfish kindness that I have been the recipient of. By that same token, when times were better for me I have always tried to reciprocate. My life in recent months has taken a turn for the better. I was glad to read Mag's post about fundraising for Mary Grace. Thank you Mags for offering to do this on MG's behalf. I know that in the past you have felt the warmth of the JMDL wash over you in your time of need, so how wonderful of you to want to give back in return. I have been around this list for years. There are so many acts of kindness that I would love to share. The most recent, however, was by a lister whom I haven't had the pleasure of meeting. You see, though, it isn't always about who you know. Sometimes we are just THERE for each other, know what I mean? Janine Sherman answered a post I wrote about a Fleetwood Mac concert. From there, we went into a private discussion where she gave me some wonderful, comforting advice. A few days later, I got an unsolicited gift from her in the mail. Kindness is a wonderful thing. Trust grows from each and every act of kindness. This community is full of caring individuals who I would trust with my life and finances. How many of us have opened our home to listers? I know that I did. I'll bet there are at least fifty of us who at one time or another have allowed a traveling lister to stay over, free of charge. We are a great community. Please open your heart and allow the light of caring and kindness to enter. This is the season of miracles. I know they can happen. I pray that the healing power of our combined community will create a force for good. Thanks for the bandwidth. Please donate if you are able. Suze ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:29:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Miles of Aisles --- Donna Binkley wrote: > How about a new thread? Yes we've done this, but > here's the thing, > > I recently met a new friend, she lives in Austin and > is a new Joni fan > - but only has a couple of her albums. She bought > and listened to > Miles of Aisles this week for the first time and > loves it!! > > She is thinking of joining us here, so I thought > this: name or quote > your favorite line, moment, song etc. > from Miles of Ailes or why you like or dislike it... "Joni, you're better than (something) and Gomer Pyle and (something)." some overenthusiastic and annoying fan. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cool Water - What CD Is That On? --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > "Cool Water" is one of the high spots for me on what > is imo one of Joni's > weaker efforts. Of the celebrity duets on this > record, it's far & away the > most effective, as Willie Nelson's voice is a nice > contrast to hers and > since he evokes desert imagery with his dusty and > sun-weathered appearance > and dry voice. Thanks for posting the lyrics - I didn't realize how much Joni had changed them. I do remember hearing the original song and being surprised on hearing Joni sing it, that the writers were so ahead of their time ecologically speaking - now I know why! > PS: I couldn't help noticing your address...I was a > stamp collector for > most of my youth, then at some point I got my first > kiss (a next door > neighbor named Janey) and soon lost interest in my > stamp collection! :~) > (My favorite stamps to collect were Russia and > Burundi) And of course there are Burundi drums in "The Jungle Line" so it all makes sense Jonily. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:36 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Joni mention in Esquire Hi Kate, I found that an odd statement as well. Christie is 49- hardly possible for Joni to be her mother!! Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Kate Bennett : > That is so sweet! I know how christie feels! Funny that joni says people > think she's christie's mom as christie must be closer to joni's age than > to her daughter's age... > > >Former model Christie Brinkley: > > "I couldn't count the hours I spent by my stereo deciphering Joni > Mitchell's > lyrics and adding them to my life's meaning. When I got the chance to > meet > her, there were so many things I wanted to say, and I was so overwhelmed > that I > couldn't talk. She said, "You know how many times people ask me if I'm > your > Mom?" I tried to speak again, but nothing came out."< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:12:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 11 1996: The National Academy of Songwriters awards Joni a Lifetime Achievement Award and BMI awards the following: One Million Performance Certificate for "Big Yellow Taxi"; One Million Performance Certificate for "Woodstock"; Two Million Performance Certificate for "Help Me"; Four Million Performance Certificate for "Both Sides Now" More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=317 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:12:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 11 On December 11 the following articles were published: 1976: "Mitchell Misses Her Own Mark" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=155 1995: "Birthday Suite" - New Yorker (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=18 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:56:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Cool Water - What CD Is That On? Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > And it doesn't get talked about much, but she lyrically reinterprets the > Bob Nolan/Sons Of The Pioneers song significantly. The way I see it, the > original is basically about 2 guys wandering the desert, in search of water > and given instead a mirage. Enjoyed your analysis of this song, Bob. I would only add that "Dan" would seem to be the narrator's mule. The last verse: Dan's feet are sore He's yearning for Just one thing more than water Like me I guess he'd like to rest Where there's no quest for water Cool, clear water RR, with no shortage of water in No Cal at this point. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #385 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)