From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #380 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, December 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 380 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: One degree of separation ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: One degree of separation (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds [AsharaProducLLC@ao] Re: Fwd: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds [Catherine McKay ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds [Janet Hess Subject: RE: One degree of separation ok let's see: > > 1. Blue - Joni Mitchell well, it's a joni michell album > 2. Car Wheels on a Gravel Road - Lucinda Williams williams rercorded a song called "blue". i don't know if it's joni's blue though. > 3. The Essential Leonard Cohen cohen dated joni? > 4. Alice's Restaurant - Arlo Guthrie the movie of the same title featured "songs to aging children come" > 5. The Very Best of Judy Collins contains both sides now boy, i suck at the degree game wally > > Any one care to play "one degree of separation" from Joni with this list? > > Les > > NP: John Zorn "Cobra" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:25:21 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: One degree of separation (for AOL users) Wally says: > ok let's see: > > > > > 1. Blue - Joni Mitchell > well, it's a joni michell album > > > 2. Car Wheels on a Gravel Road - Lucinda Williams williams rercorded a song called "blue". i don't know if it's joni's blue though. > > > 3. The Essential Leonard Cohen > cohen dated joni? > > > 4. Alice's Restaurant - Arlo Guthrie the movie of the same title featured "songs to aging children come" > > > 5. The Very Best of Judy Collins > contains both sides now > > boy, i suck at the degree game > wally > > > > > Any one care to play "one degree of separation" from Joni with this list? > > > > Les > > > > NP: John Zorn "Cobra" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:08:49 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: [acousticharmonies] What is/was the 1st CD in your player this morning........ Hi, people! In labour days I can't afford music till reach the car (that with its old cassette player). This Saturday is/was Constitution Day here in Espaqa, blue and sunny sky in this bleak winter: Night Ride Home, from Joni Mitchell. This blonde queen sure knows how to make up my days! (Most days, first morning music here, in our house, is from Joni Mitchell!. Ah, yeah, I've got a personal made cd from Roy Orbison + John Lennon that plays many: after all, that's *mzsica clasica* to me! with Heart and Humour & Humility: Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: ***THE AMAZING MARY GRACE (MGVal) FUND *** A CALL TO THE JONI COMMUNITY *** I am sending this to the Joni onlies too, and as you read on, you will understand why it is necessary to reach as many of you in our community as possible. MG has been an active member of our Joni family since before the first Fest at Julie's in April of 1998. Mary Grace is a kind and compassionate 'woman of heart and mind'. MG's posts are intelligent, insightful and filled with her wonderful sense of humour. Many of us have grown to know and love her for the remarkable woman she is. As many of you know, our dear sister and friend is facing a serious illness and needs our support, love, thoughts and prayers. We would like to take this a step further and begin, now, to raise money to help Mary Grace, her children, and her new husband Jeff, to offset any costs that they may be facing. You can help make this wonderful act of kindness and compassion a reality by either sending a cheque or utilizing paypal via the AsharaProductions, LLC account. The information you need to do so is as follows: all cheques are to be made payable to: AsharaProductions, LLC please be sure to indicate on the cheque memo that the money you are sending is meant for the Mary Grace (MG) fund. (very important) please include your name, email address, snail mail address for acknowledgment purposes. please mail your cheque to : Ashara Stansfield 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 USA the AsharaProductions, LLC paypal account may be accessed here: ASHARAPRODUCLLC@AOL.COM our most heartfelt thanks for anything you can do to help make this happen. Mags and Brian ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:40:56 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Conservatives/liberals In a message dated 12/6/03 3:04:39 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu >Reply-To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu >To: jon i >Subject: limbaugh >Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:49:19 -0500 (EST) > >All this talk about Limbaugh in the media and his replies reminds me of >definitions: > >Conservative: A liberal who has been robbed. > >Liberal: A conservative who has been indicted. > >Jerry ;-) I wish EVERYONE was a liberal... >> Uhhhh... judging by the above definition, I'm beginning to think everyone IS a liberal. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Fwd: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds I didnt realize that this message of Jim's was sent to the big list too, and I feel it is of utmost importance to fill you all in on how we arrived at the decision to use the LLC account so that we could facilitate and expediate the sending of funds to MG, the kids and Jeff. As an act of love and kindness and concern. MG , I apologize to you sincerely that this has escalated to this level. This was never my intention. Please know that our hearts are in the right place. love, Mags. magsnbrei wrote: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds, njc To: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" , northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com Lama, This is about helping Mary Grace and her family and nothing more. It is not about you or me or Brian or Ashara or anyone else, but Mary Grace when it comes down to it. I dont even know how to begin to respond to this mail of yours, but Im sure going to try. I cannot let this one go. and since you didnt go private, neither will I. Here's the deal. Brian and I spent a considerable amount of time working with our bank manager this week to explore opening an account which would facilitate collecting funds for Mary Grace and her children, two of which are under 14 years of age. It was becoming very complicated and there are many many legal implications and ramifications with merely opening up an account to do this. Ashara and I had a discussion about this issue and she offered the use of the LLC which is already set up . I am doing so because I trust Ashara with my life. and with the life of my loved ones, which includes Mary Grace. Im sure you get the picture by now. I sure as hell hope so. It was meant to make this easier to HELP Mary Grace for God's sake. I dont know if she has this list or not, so Im really going to have to hold back on what I'd like to say to you. Most of all, I am shocked that you would even speak to this issue in this manner.in a public space. If you have a problem with this or with the LLC or how Joni Fest is handled , then perhaps you need to have a serious conversation with Ashara, in private , where such thoughts belong. and conversations belong. a very pissed off Mags "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: Uhmm. I love Mary Grace and she knows it. It seriously hurts to learn that we're losing her. My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we even consider aggregating funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and scholarships to JoniFest? Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. There's never been reporting from the LLC to the community at large. There's certainly no broad-based decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL general fund. I love MG but it doesn't cloud my perspective that we've already slipped on a steep slope. All the best, Lama ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:36:41 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:59:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we even consider aggregating funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and scholarships to JoniFest? Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. There's never been reporting from the LLC to the community at large. There's certainly no broad-based decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL general fund. Jim, This is not the first time you have questioned my appropriateness with either the LLC or with money received from members of the JMDL. FACTS: 1) The Limited Liability Corporation under the name Ashara Productions, LLC was set up specifically to legally protect me, personally, while doing business as the Jonifest coordinator. The considerable funds that it took to set up this corporation came from my personal checkbook. It is a private corporation, and once set up, allows me, if I so desire, to conduct other business through this corporation. 2) Not only do I (still) spend countless hours making Jonifest happen for all of you, I have never in the 7 years I have been involved in Jonifest, nor do I ever intend to in the future, made a single cent on this endeavor. In reality, Jonifest has always cost me (by my own free will) several hundred dollars every year. For the first 3 years, when Jonifest was held at my house, I spent a lot of money to make it happen over and beyond what I asked from all of you for food. Once it moved to Full Moon, and I then did not have *personal* expenses related to Jonifest, I spent hundreds of dollars of my own money helping others get to Jonifest by way of scholarship. In addition, even though I sign the Jonifest contract under the LLC, it is *still* under my name, and *I* am responsible for coming up with any money under the promised amount to Full Moon. 3) I will repeat, the corporation is a PRIVATE endeavor. I do not owe you or anyone else the right to look at my personal corporation books. If you think I am misappropriating funds, and do not trust me to make Jonifest happen for the least possible amount of money, then don't come, pure and simple. 4) I offered to allow Mags and Brian to *use* the LLC to let money come in and go out to MG to help her in whatever way we can. This simplified an otherwise difficult process that they were having with their bank in setting up an account that would not make them *personally* liable in any way. I am APPALLED that you took this as misappropriating funds. I will end by saying that you, Jim, are WAY out of line with this, and to use an effort to help MG, a valued member of this community, as a platform for your issues is beyond reproach. Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:00:08 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds Jim, Exactly what are you getting at here? In the best of times I usually skip over your posts because they make little sense to me, but you have really confused me with this one. To me, Mags has made it pretty clear that she is using Ashara's LLC corp. as a vehicle to receive money in honour of Mary Grace, and only because of the difficulties in setting up a normal bank account, and with Ashara's blessings and kind offer in order to make it all easier. That you would question ANYONE'S integrity regarding a life and death situation on this very public list, and one you know MG subscribes to, is incredible. And to even slightly hint that Ashara would innapropriately mishandle any funds, is truly beyond belief. What do you think? Ashara is going to take a few dollars from someone's donation to a scholarship fund to send to MG's child? Give your head a shake, Jim, re-read the original post, and show some respect for people in need and those who are truly trying to help from a hearfelt place. Stephen from Vancouver PS Ashara legally is not required to report to you, the list, or anyone, as to what she does with her account. > "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Uhmm. I love Mary Grace and she knows it. It seriously hurts to learn that > we're losing her. > > My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we even consider aggregating > funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and scholarships to > JoniFest? Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. There's never > been reporting from the LLC to the community at large. There's certainly no > broad-based decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL general fund. > > I love MG but it doesn't cloud my perspective that we've already slipped on > a steep slope. > > All the best, > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:05:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds > In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:59:32 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we > even consider aggregating > funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and > scholarships to JoniFest? > Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. > There's never been > reporting from the LLC to the community at large. > There's certainly no broad-based > decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL > general fund. > Jim, --- AsharaProducLLC@aol.com wrote: > This is not the first time you have questioned my > appropriateness with either > the LLC or with money received from members of the > JMDL. ... > 4) I offered to allow Mags and Brian to *use* the > LLC to let money come in > and go out to MG to help her in whatever way we can. > This simplified an > otherwise difficult process that they were having > with their bank in setting up an > account that would not make them *personally* liable > in any way. I am APPALLED > that you took this as misappropriating funds. > > I will end by saying that you, Jim, are WAY out of > line with this, and to use > an effort to help MG, a valued member of this > community, as a platform for > your issues is beyond reproach. Jim, if you have a problem trusting Ashara or Mags after all this time, that's really unfortunate. Ashara puts so much time and so much of her own money into making Jonifest happen each year, and she is generous to a fault. I would trust either of these women with my life. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:24:33 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds Hey all - as a legal assistant member of the Michigan State Bar who works a lot with corporations and other legal entities and cannot give legal advice because I am not a lawyer but I can speak to what my experience is: Ashara's LLC (limited liability company) will be governed by the laws of the state in which her LLC is organized (and I guess that would be Massachusetts) but the LLC is a private company (corporation) set up for many necessary legal protection reasons. Ashara would be a fool (let alone br placing herself and family in financial jeopardy) to do anything with JoniFests and inviting other people outside of her immediate family to come to one without such legal protection. No one but a member of the LLC has a right to see the books. The clients of the law firm I work for don't get to see our office financial records just because they are clients. Ashara can do what she wants to with any proceeds the LLC brings in, subject to the bylaws of the LLC (and the state). If Ashara wanted to buy big blue balloons and fill her house with them with all receipts of the LLC, she is free to do so. Ashara has publicly stated that she forwards the money for certain purposes. The purposes she states continue to operate. Given the public statements she has made about where the money goes to, someone could easily say "Ashara's LLC has never given us a cent." That has never happened. I am a bit astounded this is at all an issue. Vince AsharaProducLLC@aol.com wrote: > >3) I will repeat, the corporation is a PRIVATE endeavor. I do not owe you or >anyone else the right to look at my personal corporation books. If you think I >am misappropriating funds, and do not trust me to make Jonifest happen for >the least possible amount of money, then don't come, pure and simple. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:41:20 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Peter Gabriel "Hit & Miss" Peter Gabriel has always been a favorite of mine ever since the days of seeing Genesis at the Bowl years ago (70's). I enjoyed when he sang with Joni on "Secret Place". Two very gifted artist. I like the correlation between their retrospective CD's. He packaged his together and just labeled them different. Good stuff both need to be on the shelf. Peace, Craig NP: Jars of Clay - Jealous Kind ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:59:16 -0700 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds Actually, I wasn't going to mention this, but... for years now, Ashara has pretended to stage annual Jonifest events as a ruse to raise money that she siphons off to buy truckloads of Fishy treats for a certain kitty we know. The devil made her do it. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who thinks the devil has always received entirely too much bad press ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:59:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 7 1975: The Rolling Thunder Review, including Joni, performed at the Correctional Institution for Women at Clinton, New Jersey. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=299 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:59:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 7 On December 7 the following article was published: 1974: "...and now it's Our Lady of Optimism" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=452 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #380 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)