From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #355 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 355 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: Homework - Favorite song poll (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: "That Song About The MIdway" [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: T -poll [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] "That Song About The MIdway" [Jerry Notaro ] Frank Tortorici's favorites ["Tortorici, Frank" ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Re: "That Song About The MIdway" ["Kate Bennett" ] i DID my homework! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: i DID my homework! (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: Joni mention in "OHIO" [KJHSF@aol.com] mingus [Keith Epley ] Current favorite/least favorite list. JC ["Russell Bowden" ] Today: Rikki Lee Jones on The World Cafe ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:01:15 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Homework - Favorite song poll (for AOL users) from Wally: > > > Song To A Seagull: > > > Most Favorite - cactus tree > > > Least Favorite - dawntreader > > > > > > Clouds: > > > Most Favorite - chelsea morning > > > Least Favorite - i think i understand > > > > > > Ladies Of The Canyon: > > > Most Favorite - conversation > > > Least Favorite - blue boy > > > > > > Blue: > > > Most Favorite - The Last Time I Saw Richard > > > Least Favorite - carey > > > > > > For The Roses: > > > Most Favorite - banquet > > > Least Favorite - Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire > > > > > > Court & Spark: > > > Most Favorite - just like this train > > > Least Favorite - Free Man In Paris > > > > > > Miles of Aisles: > > > Most Favorite - cactus tree > > > Least Favorite - for love or money > > > > > > Hissing Of Summer Lawns: > > > Most Favorite - Don't Interrupt The Sorrow > > > Least Favorite - sweet bird > > > > > > Hejira: > > > Most Favorite - coyote > > > Least Favorite - refuge of the roads > > > > > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: > > > Most Favorite - otis and marlena > > > Least Favorite - off night backstreet > > > > > > Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): > > > Most Favorite - wolf that lives in lindsay > > > Least Favorite - sweet sucker dance > > > > > > Shadows & Light: > > > Most Favorite - Amelia > > > Least Favorite - why do fools fall in love and all the solos > > > > > > Wild Things Run Fast: > > > Most Favorite - Be Cool > > > Least Favorite - you dream flat tires > > > > > > Dog Eat Dog: > > > Most Favorite - shiny toys > > > Least Favorite - ethiopia > > > > > > Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: > > > Most Favorite - The Beat Of Black Wings > > > Least Favorite - cool water > > > > > > Night Ride Home: > > > Most Favorite - none > > > Least Favorite - all > > > > > > Turbulent Indigo: > > > Most Favorite - none > > > Least Favorite -all > > > > > > (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) > > > > > > Taming The Tiger: > > > Most Favorite - none > > > Least Favorite - all > > > > > > Both Sides Now: > > > Most Favorite - none > > > Least Favorite - all > > > > > > Travelogue: > > > Most Favorite - none > > > Least Favorite - all > > > > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:03:57 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Janis ian's website > < I just want a chance to rave about Janis Ian.She seems to me to be > such a wonderful,caring person.How many other famous artists respond > personally to people on thier website,and in such a warm,kind,real > manner?very,very few,I'm sure...> > > and she is so good at it too. gotta like a celeb who takes time for the peeps > I have emailed her twice, and both times she responded. And Judy Collins and Betty Buckley have, also. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:13:23 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "That Song About The MIdway" In a message dated 11/14/03 1:55:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, MINGSDANCE@aol.com writes: > . She offered up a big gasp and said I went > with my daughter to the racetrack in Atlantic City to see her in 1969 and > that > lady with the raspy voice was there and I said you mean Janis Joplin. She > spoke > quite fondly of Joni and how she enjoyed her set best of all of the other > sets. I tried to drag as much as I could out of a foggy memory but I > couldn't get > to much more. She did remember Joni being a bit uncomfortable near the end > of > her set but couldn't recall the rest. She did say CSN, James Taylor and > Jimmy > Hendrix were there as well. She said the race track really wasn't in > Atlantic City but in a town called Millville. A friend of mine, Richard X. Heyman was a drummer in a garage band in my hometown of Plainfield. He wrote a book titled Boom Harangue. Life in Mid-century through the eyes of a Rock 'n' Roll Survivor. Richard attended this Atlantic City pop festival and I will try to best transcribe his recollection there. XX. Atlantic City Popfest I didn't go to Woodstock. The reason I didn't go was the Atlantic City Pop Fest. Not too many people talk about that festival. You don't hear it spoken of as a defining event of a generation. But it was, as we used to say back then, pretty groovy. The festival took place a week before Woodstock at a race track in A.C. Instead of frolicking a tripping on the grass of a huge farm, you had to plant your behind on the hard hot cement that faced the racetrack where the stage had been set up. Still it was an exhilarating three days of fantastic music and attempted sex. Jamie and I failed miserably at attracting any hippie chicks for wild and crazed sexcapades in their tent. We also failed at figuring out how to assemble the pup tent that we had purchased specifically for this occasion at the Army Navy store in Plainfield. The Three Stooges or Laurel & Hardy would have had better luck than us two citified Jew boys. We finally gave up on the notion of roughing it and slept each night in Jamie's Bonneville. The temperature those August nights was somewhere around 140 and we would be swimming in our own sweat on those fake leather car seats. That was, of course, after walking around until 3 or 4 in the morning, trying to get involved in one of those deluxe tents filled with nubile young free spirited woman. We just didn't have the hippie nooky god looking down on us that weekend. I did happen to make out with a lovely young woman who happened to like my curly locks, though apparently not enough to let me in her tent. The music was the main reason we were there and it didn't disappoint; it was well worth the bruises on my butt. Fourteen hours sitting on concrete will do that. Credence, Janice Joplin, Procol Harum, Jefferson Airplane, Little Richard, Santana, Mother Earth with Tracey Nelson. The only downer was when Joni Mitchell left the stage in tears after a handful of songs. Some of the stoned-out audience was making too much noise (not me; I worship Ms. Mitchell) When I looked at the line-up for Woodstock, I didn't have the desire to shlep upstate. I had seen the Who many times as well as Hendrix and for the most part the acts at the AC popfest were going to perform at Woodstock. So why go. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:14:17 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: T -poll Steve P wrote: Travelogue: >Most Favorite -God Must be a Boogie Man >Least Favorite - the rest... (okay, okay, but MOST of them!) Joni I love you but you shoulda just done half those songs! But which half, Steve ? ( I hope you'll do your T-poll homework, too) :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:18:10 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? > However, I fully expect to feel the same way about some of my choices as they > are left off of others' lists. Again, my negativity toward T feels less > pronounced than yours - I genuinely like about half the efforts, even by > comparison > to the original versions. And I am sort of surprised that T's critics do not > seem to "get" the virtues of the better efforts on this recording. > Hello Two Bobs, I, like Bob M., find it hard to appreciate the virtues of T when considered ill conceived from the start. Revisiting her old material is a great concept. I just wish she would have done it alone at the piano and/or guitar, or with a small group. It was an OK idea to do the full orchestra thing for BSN, but over the top for all of T. Just my humble opinion. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:46:56 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Homework - Favorite song poll (for AOL users) From a hot, hot, hot early summer day down Mexico way, Wally writes: > > > > Night Ride Home: > > > > Most Favorite - none > > > > Least Favorite - all > > > > > > > > Turbulent Indigo: > > > > Most Favorite - none > > > > Least Favorite -all > > > > > > > > (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) > > > > > > > > Taming The Tiger: > > > > Most Favorite - none > > > > Least Favorite - all > > > > > > > > Both Sides Now: > > > > Most Favorite - none > > > > Least Favorite - all > > > > > > > > Travelogue: > > > > Most Favorite - none > > > > Least Favorite - all Hey, Wally! Kick off the sand flies, honey! Are you saying that you don't like or dislike *anything* post-CMIARS? Preposterous! (I think someone got distracted by something and didn't want to complete his assignment.) - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:13:55 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Chuck Mitchell I have received an email from someone who turned out to be one of our PhD9s, who had a connection to Florida9s folk scene in the 609s and is looking for some Chuck Mitchell and contemporaries information, specifically as it relates to Miami9s coffeehouse The Flick, where Joni and Chuck often performed. If you have any leads, let me know. Here are excerpts from our correspondence: Fred Neil, Joni Mitchell, John Sebastian, Jimmy Buffet and John Lee Hooker appeared often at The Flick. It was a serious time for serious songs about everything important. Sometimes Dion came over to my place after his shows. He admired my lyrics and I was absolutely enthralled by the way his fingers could make guitar strings speak with emotion. In those days Fred Neil made us think, Gabe Kaplan made us laugh and the whole folk-rock scene instilled us with a desperate desire to create music. Three years at The Flick in Miami followed, six nights a week. Michael did entirely his own material. "I would say the song was Fred Neil's. People would say 'Oh, I hadn't heard that one.' I'd say 'It's one of his better ones, don't you think?'" At the Flick Michael met his wife Barbara Barrow, and they traveled with a quartet called the Baker St. Irregulars, signed a contract with Decca as Juarez, and produced a recording that you can still find in very out-of-the-way record stores. I was once told that among the places Jimmy played at here in his 'early' days was a coffee house called "The Flick" on Ponce de Leon Blvd in Coral Gables near the Univ. of Miami. Can you verify ... He spent much of the 60s working in Florida, especially at a Miami venue called The Flick, which was part of a then-vibrant South Florida folk scene that included people like Fred Neil and a young David Crosby. For three years he played six nights a week at The Flick, writing a lot of songs that he categorizes as "what I thought was topcial humor" to hold audience interest week after week. One with the unlikely title of "Talking Green Beret New Super Teeny Bopper Blues" traveled north and then around the country with Boston singer Jamie Brockett. He worked as half of a duo with a singer named Sam Cancilla. Then he was part of what he describes as a Peter, Paul & Mary-style trio which included his wife, singer Barbara Barrow. After a couple of years, that trio in turn expanded into a rock band called Juarez, who recorded one album for Decca. about Don Harthcock After a time of personal growth in a hippy commune on Ewing Street in Los Angeles, which we named The Rose Feldman Company, the group grew up, got radical, and evolved into "Ewing Street Times." We became well-known in Miami, where I got married and became a father. We were "headquartered" in Coconut Grove, and we played mostly at The Flick coffeehouse in Coral Gables, adjacent to the University of Miami. We changed personnel several times, and we enjoyed our young lives, our travels, and considerable popularity on the college concert tours arranged by Good Karma Productions of Kansas City. Those were great days, fronting such acts as Brewer & Shipley, Dion, It's A Beautiful Day, The James Gang, Jerry Jeff Walker, Jethro Tull, Livingston Taylor, Miami Sound Machine, Michael Martin Murphy, The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Richie Havens, Steve Martin, and Theodore Bikel. To be honest, we terrified Good Karma, who eventually replaced us with Black Oak Arkansas. Thanks again for your response to my E Mail. Larry Bart - ------------------------------- Yes, it is indeed the same Chuck Mitchell. Unfortunately, Chuck has not done much recording lately, so most of his work is available only on vinyl. The best bet for getting in touch with Chuck would be to contact Dave Siglin at The Ark in Ann Arbor (734-761-1800)-- Chuck normally plays there when he is in town, so Dave would know how to reach him. - --------------------------------------- Hi, > Thanks for the come back. I saw Chuck Play numerous times. He did a > private able album called Dreams and Stories. He did pretty amazing > versions of a Bertol Brecht (I have to be spelling that wrong) piece > called the Bilbao song. (also spelled wrong). I am trying to track down > the guys who played at that time in the flick and see what became of > them and if there is any new music. Among the musicians, Mike Smith has > been the easiest to find. Before The Dutchman he mostly sang and wrote > silly songs that were very funny in their time. Titles like "she got a > nose job" and "the wonderful world of sex." That is where I first heard > Gambol Rodgers. I don't know how famous he ever became outside of the > south but he was amazing. He died a number of years ago saving the life > of a drowning tourist on a Fla. beach. There is a web site and > foundation devoted to him. There was a Ron Kickasolo (again spelled > badly) who played solo and with Mike Smith and Barbara Christopher in > The Flick Trio. There was a Johnny Vanderveer who supposedly played at > one time with Jerry Jeff Walker and David Bromberg in the JJW trio. > Anyway thanks for writing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:30:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] "That Song About The MIdway" > You can always teach an old dog something new. I went to Woodstock with a > group who had gone to the Atlantic City Pop Festival. Never once did they > mention Joni. All they talked about was Janis Joplin. And the whole drive > there all I talked about was whether or not Joni would be there! This is the > first I ever heard that she performed there. > > Jerry > > Atlantic City Pop Festival > > August 1,2 & 3 1969 > BB King, Procal Harum, Joni Mitchell, Blood Sweat & Tears, Chambers Brothers, > Creedence Clearwater Revival, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, Johnny Winter, > Lighthouse, Paul Butterfield, Santana, Three Dog Night, Byrds, Chicago, > Mothers-Zappa, Canned Heat, Dr.John, Little Richard, Miles Davis, AUM, > Tim Buckley, Joe Cocker, Mother Earth and a few more > > _____________________________________________________________ > Today at the ranch David and I hosted A Luncheon for his mother(79) and 14 > of her more active friends. What I thought would be a slow day got to be a > great trivia day for me. I was grilling burgers and hot-dogs when this woman > probably about 73, started talking to me and said she didn't know > Sally(David''s mother) but came with her friend Iris who his mother has known > for 45 years, she said she had a son and a daughter, the son was a journalist > and the daughter worked with the Native American tribes in health care in > Shiprock OK. I told her I was a journalism major but got sidelined after Art > School into landscape design for 26 years but I had the good fortune of > renewing my photography and reporting for Joni Mitchell.com. She offered up a > big gasp and said I went with my daughter to the racetrack in Atlantic City to > see her in 1969 and that lady with the raspy voice was there and I said you > mean Janis Joplin. She spoke quite fondly of Joni and how she enjoyed her set > best of all of the other sets. I tried to drag as much as I could out of a > foggy memory but I couldn't get to much more. She did remember Joni being a > bit uncomfortable near the end of her set but couldn't recall the rest. She > did say CSN, James Taylor and Jimmy Hendrix were there as well. She said the > race track really wasn't in Atlantic City but in a town called Millville. She > did say that her daughter did go on to Woodstock the following week and she > wanted her to go but she didn't though and was glad because of all that rain. > I said you know Joni wrote the song "Woodstock" and she said I know , I toId > her I didn't get to the first one but I went in 98 to see Joni. She then said > she watched her on the Dick Cavette show hoping to see clips from Woodstock to > see her daughter. The energy was flowing heavy on my part badgering this poor > old woman and then it hit me. I Also had a connection to her through Shiprock > too. One of my favorite Paintin gs is called "Mamma and Papa Got The Going > Home To The Shiprock Blues" by TC Cannon who was an American Indian artist who > was killed in a drunken wreck in 1978. It show s an old Indian couple > wearing rayban sunglasses sitting under a Greyhound Bus Stop Sign, the point > being Indians see through the sun's rays and there fore don't wear sunglasses > it's a social statement on the encroachment of western civilization brought > upon the tribes and their desire to return to the old ways. > I hope to reconnect with this woman so she can connect me up with her > daughter so I can pick her brain for all the trivia I can dig up on these two > events. and as they were getting in the car to leave I said you know I was > really upset I didn't get to go protest Bush's arrival in Fort Myers today but > felt I was well compensated by "The Great Spirit' for my good deed that day. > As the car started she said oh yeah I used to go to Philly to see Joni there > with my daughter. Well, my face hit the pasture as they drove away. Wait I > thought we have to discuss that now. It left me wondering how long will I have > to wait for that info from her and her daughter. I would say it was "A GREAT > DAY". Something I confirmed today: > "The moon eclipsed and you know > and happiness is the best facelift"! > > Peace > Mingus > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > b/S=1705016061:HM/EXP=1068879251/A=1750744/R=0/*http://servedby.advertising.co > m/click/site=552006/bnum=1068792851936006> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:39:50 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll Song To A Seagull: Most Favorite - Cactus Tree Least Favorite - The Pirate Of Penance Clouds: Most Favorite - I Don't Know Where I Stand Least Favorite - Roses Blue Ladies Of The Canyon: Most Favorite - The Circle Game (should have appeared on an earlier album, but can't be overlooked by my here) Least Favorite - Blue Boy Blue: Most Favorite - A Case Of You Least Favorite - Little Green (out of place on Blue, a throwback to an earlier Joni) For The Roses: Most Favorite - For The Roses Least Favorite - Judgement Of The Moon And Stars Court & Spark: Most Favorite - Down To You Least Favorite - Raised On Robbery (glad to see other votes for this one) Miles of Aisles: Most Favorite - Cactus Tree Least Favorite - Love or Money Hissing Of Summer Lawns: Most Favorite - The Boho Dance Least Favorite - The Jungle Line Hejira: Most Favorite - Song For Sharon Least Favorite - A Strange Boy Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Most Favorite - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Least Favorite - Talk To Me (The Tenth World should not count - it's Don Alias vanity filler, not a Joni Mitchell song) Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): Most Favorite - Sweet Sucker Dance Least Favorite - The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey Shadows & Light (my "desert island Joni," if I could only take one - I like these live versions of almost every song more than their studio counterparts - what great, expressive singing Joni was doing here!): Most Favorite - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (bests the studio version to the greatest degree) Least Favorite - Why Do Fools Fall In Love (does this cover count?) Wild Things Run Fast: Most Favorite - Chinese Cafe Least Favorite - (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care (does this cover count?) Dog Eat Dog: Most Favorite - Impossible Dreamer Least Favorite - Ethiopia Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: Most Favorite - My Secret Place Least Favorite - Dancin' Clown Night Ride Home: Most Favorite - Passion Play (When All The Slaves Are Free) Least Favorite - The Windfall (Everything For Nothing) Turbulent Indigo: Most Favorite - The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) Least Favorite - Yvette In English (I love the song, and Crosby's version of it, but Joni's version, because of the background singers interjecting "Yvette" all the time, gets on my nerves) Taming The Tiger: Most Favorite - Harlem In Havana Least Favorite - Lead Balloon Both Sides Now: Most Favorite - A Case Of You Least Favorite - Don't Go To Strangers Travelogue - I regret I haven't spent enough time with this set yet to choose favorites or least favorites. Wow. There sure were a lot of honorable mentions I'd have liked to include! Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:43:34 -0500 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Frank Tortorici's favorites Song To A Seagull: Most Favorite - Cactus Tree Least Favorite - The Pirate Of Penance Clouds: Most Favorite - Chelsea Morning Least Favorite - Fiddle and the Drum Ladies Of The Canyon: Most Favorite - Morning Morgantown Least Favorite - Blue Boy Blue: Most Favorite - All I Want Least Favorite - Last Time I Saw Richard For The Roses: Most Favorite - For The Roses Least Favorite - Barangrill Court & Spark: Most Favorite - Help Me Least Favorite - Twisted Miles of Aisles: Most Favorite - Big Yellow Taxi Least Favorite - Love Or Money Hissing Of Summer Lawns: Most Favorite - In France They Kiss on Main Street Least Favorite - The Jungle Line Hejira: Most Favorite - Refuge of the Roads Least Favorite - Furry Sings the Blues Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Most Favorite - Otis and Marlena Least Favorite - Paprika Plains Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): Most Favorite - God Must Be a Boogie Man Least Favorite - Sweet Sucker Dance Shadows & Light: Most Favorite - Amelia Least Favorite - Pat's Solo or-If that doesn't count-Furry Sings the Blues Wild Things Run Fast: Most Favorite - Chinese Cafe Least Favorite - Ladies Man Dog Eat Dog: Most Favorite - The Three Great Stimulants Least Favorite - Tax Free Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: Most Favorite - My Secret Place Least Favorite - Number One Night Ride Home: Most Favorite - Night Ride Home Least Favorite - The Windfall Turbulent Indigo: Most Favorite - The Magdalene Laundries Least Favorite - Last Chance Lost (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) Taming The Tiger: Most Favorite - Face Lift Least Favorite - Tiger Bones or - If That Doesn't Count - My Best to You Both Sides Now: Most Favorite - Comes Love Least Favorite - Don't Worry 'Bout Me Travelogue: Most Favorite - Otis and Marlena Least Favorite - The Sire of Sorrow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:21:03 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: [none] Song To A Seagull: Most Favorite - Sisotowbell Lane/ Song To A Seagull Least Favorite - Night In The City Clouds: Most Favorite - I Don't Know Where I Stand Least Favorite - Songs To Aging Children Come Ladies Of The Canyon: Most Favorite - Rainy Night House Least Favorite - Woodstock (lay low Zoob and watch the flames fly) Blue: Most Favorite - A Case Of You Least Favorite - This Flight Tonight For The Roses: Most Favorite - Woman Of Heart And Mind/Blonde In The Bleachers Least Favorite - Banquet Court & Spark: Most Favorite - The Same Situation Least Favorite - Twisted Miles of Aisles: Most Favorite - The Last Time I Saw Richard Least Favorite - Love Or Money Hissing Of Summer Lawns:(so hard to choose!) Most Favorite - The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Least Favorite - In France They Kiss On Main Street Hejira: Most Favorite - Refuge Of The Roads Least Favorite - Furry Sings The Blues Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Most Favorite - Silky Veils Of Ardour Least Favorite - The Tenth World (there just aren't any lyrics in this to like!) Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): Most Favorite - A Chair In The Sky Least Favorite - The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey (Although Marian from Vienna's version she played at the 1st London Jonifest changed my opinion of the guitar playing in this) Shadows & Light: Most Favorite - Hejira Least Favorite - Why Do Fools Fall In Love (is it me or is she slightly in the wrong key? or Vocally tired byt his point?) Wild Things Run Fast: Most Favorite - Love Least Favorite - Underneath The Streetlight Dog Eat Dog: Most Favorite - Three Great Stimulants Least Favorite - Smokin' (Empty) Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: Most Favorite - My Secret Place Least Favorite - Cool Water Night Ride Home: Most Favorite - Two Grey Rooms Least Favorite - The Windfall Turbulent Indigo: Most Favorite - Turbulent Indigo Least Favorite - Sex Kills (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) Taming The Tiger: Most Favorite - Harlem In Havana Least Favorite - My Best To You Both Sides Now: Most Favorite - Both Sides, now Least Favorite - Comes Love (she has done better versions with the band) Travelogue: Most Favorite - Sex Kills (note this is my least favourite for Turbulent Indigo, this is perfert orchestration and needs to be played LOUD!!!!) Least Favorite - Woodstock (ooh twice in the same category... maybe it's just my generation, being far too ME ME ME to just GET this song. Or maybe I just hate this song) ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:26:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Re: "That Song About The MIdway" >The music was the main reason we were there and it didn't disappoint; it was well worth the bruises on my butt. Fourteen hours sitting on concrete will do that. Credence, Janice Joplin, Procol Harum, Jefferson Airplane, Little Richard, Santana, Mother Earth with Tracey Nelson. < how cool...my good friend, coproducer & engineer as well as the guy who played all over my cd was in Mother Earth...Jack Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:41:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: i DID my homework! first off, it's spring and it was 45F when i wrote that last night. second off, it's argentina -- a 10 hour plane flight to mexico. third off, mingus was the last one i paid attention to. after mingus, well, yeah, maybe beat of black wings, shiny toys, dog eat dog (the song), secret place ... scattered stuff. most of the klein albums are so full of *PRODUCTION*. like joni wanted to prove that could have a guy's band? that she could rock? she could rock with only a dulcimer, for G's sake. slouching is such a wonderful song -- the background voices alone are superb and so scary. but what's with that bass? it sounds like the boxer by S & G. why all the 80's sound in those albums? we had the bangles and katrina and the waves already. why drown such powerful lyrics and masterly chord structures in canned sound? and travelogue is so dull, so john williams, so overstated. if that were my introduction to joni's music, i'd never give her a second chance. i'd miss blue and FTR and all the rest. imagine if i had first heard JOTMAS in the T'log version. i would have gone GACK!!!! at one of my favorite songs on earth. talk about disservice! i think someone got lazy and didn't want to do an album but got tempted by the power and the glory, the taste for worship, and is getting the hammers the boards and the nails. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Murphycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 14 de Noviembre de 2003 11:47 a.m. > Para: Emiliano; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Fw: Homework - Favorite song poll (for AOL users) > > > From a hot, hot, hot early summer day down Mexico way, Wally writes: snip snip snip > Hey, Wally! Kick off the sand flies, honey! > > Are you saying that you don't like or dislike *anything* > post-CMIARS? Preposterous! (I think someone got distracted by > something and didn't want to complete his assignment.) > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:56:17 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: i DID my homework! (for AOL users) Wally says: first off, it's spring and it was 45F when i wrote that last night. second off, it's argentina -- a 10 hour plane flight to mexico. third off, mingus was the last one i paid attention to. after mingus, well, yeah, maybe beat of black wings, shiny toys, dog eat dog (the song), secret place ... scattered stuff. most of the klein albums are so full of *PRODUCTION*. like joni wanted to prove that could have a guy's band? that she could rock? she could rock with only a dulcimer, for G's sake. slouching is such a wonderful song -- the background voices alone are superb and so scary. but what's with that bass? it sounds like the boxer by S & G. why all the 80's sound in those albums? we had the bangles and katrina and the waves already. why drown such powerful lyrics and masterly chord structures in canned sound? and travelogue is so dull, so john williams, so overstated. if that were my introduction to joni's music, i'd never give her a second chance. i'd miss blue and FTR and all the rest. imagine if i had first heard JOTMAS in the T'log version. i would have gone GACK!!!! at one of my favorite songs on earth. talk about disservice! > i think someone got lazy and didn't want to do an album but got tempted by the power and the glory, the taste for worship, and is getting the hammers the boards and the nails. > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > Murphycopy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Viernes, 14 de Noviembre de 2003 11:47 a.m. > > Para: Emiliano; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Fw: Homework - Favorite song poll (for AOL users) > > > > > > From a hot, hot, hot early summer day down Mexico way, Wally writes: > > snip snip snip > > > Hey, Wally! Kick off the sand flies, honey! > > > > Are you saying that you don't like or dislike *anything* > > post-CMIARS? Preposterous! (I think someone got distracted by > > something and didn't want to complete his assignment.) > > > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:16:33 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mention in "OHIO" Well, I just received OHIO as a birthday present last week and it is very good. I've listened to it twice, and the songs are finding their way under my skin. This band is "on the verge" I think, production values and songwriting get better with each effort. Ken in Columbus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:19:00 -0600 From: Keith Epley Subject: mingus Hello, folks In the fall of '79, I started my college career (at 22) at Western Kentucky University--unloading my car at a boy's dorm where "My Sharona" was blaring out of every window it seemed. At that time, Caroline (spelling?) Mingus--daughter of Charles Mingus--was a student here. The album Mingus had not been out too long. In an interview with Ms. Mingus, she revealed she didn't own the album, and didn't like her father's music, preferring, I remember, the more pedestrian fare of the day. I kept the interview from our school paper (brushes with greatness if you will) for a long time. To Mingus of this email post, thank you for quoting those beautiful lines from Face Lift. Keith in Kentucky JMDL Digest wrote: > JMDL Digest Friday, November 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 565 > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #563 - Janis Ian NJ [BRYAN8847@aol.com] > "That Song About The MIdway" [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] > Re: Homework - Favorite song poll ["Ross, Les" ] > Today in History: November 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Today's Library Links: November 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Re: Cory's choices [] > Re: Artwork Archive [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:13:36 EST > From: BRYAN8847@aol.com > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #563 - Janis Ian NJ > > I just want a chance to rave about Janis Ian.She seems to me to be > such a wonderful,caring person.How many other famous artists respond > personally to people on thier website,and in such a warm,kind,real > manner?very,very few,I'm sure... > > http://www.janisian.com > > I'm a frequent visitor to that site and a frequent poster on the bulletin > board. It is an unusual experience to converse with the artist that way. I've > chatted with JI online too, and she seemed to express genuine interest in my > work, etc. Anyway, yes, it's cool, though sometimes it's almost as if the artist's > mystique is eliminated (unlike a certain other singer/songwriter we all know, > who has tons of mystique...that's OK too). > Bryan > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:53:57 EST > From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com > Subject: "That Song About The MIdway" > > Atlantic City Pop Festival > August 1,2 & 3 1969 > BB King, Procal Harum, Joni Mitchell, Blood Sweat & Tears, Chambers Brothers, > Creedence Clearwater Revival, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, Johnny > Winter, > Lighthouse, Paul Butterfield, Santana, Three Dog Night, Byrds, Chicago, > Mothers-Zappa, Canned Heat, Dr.John, Little Richard, Miles Davis, AUM, > Tim Buckley, Joe Cocker, Mother Earth and a few more > > _____________________________________________________________ > Today at the ranch David and I hosted A Luncheon for his mother(79) and 14 > of her more active friends. What I thought would be a slow day got to be a > great trivia day for me. I was grilling burgers and hot-dogs when this woman > probably about 73, started talking to me and said she didn't know Sally(David''s > mother) but came with her friend Iris who his mother has known for 45 years, > she said she had a son and a daughter, the son was a journalist and the daughter > worked with the Native American tribes in health care in Shiprock OK. I told > her I was a journalism major but got sidelined after Art School into landscape > design for 26 years but I had the good fortune of renewing my photography and > reporting for Joni Mitchell.com. She offered up a big gasp and said I went > with my daughter to the racetrack in Atlantic City to see her in 1969 and that > lady with the raspy voice was there and I said you mean Janis Joplin. She spoke > quite fondly of Joni and how she enjoyed her set best of all of the other > sets. I tried to drag as much as I could out of a foggy memory but I couldn't get > to much more. She did remember Joni being a bit uncomfortable near the end of > her set but couldn't recall the rest. She did say CSN, James Taylor and Jimmy > Hendrix were there as well. She said the race track really wasn't in > Atlantic City but in a town called Millville. She did say that her daughter did go on > to Woodstock the following week and she wanted her to go but she didn't > though and was glad because of all that rain. I said you know Joni wrote the song > "Woodstock" and she said I know , I toId her I didn't get to the first one but > I went in 98 to see Joni. She then said she watched her on the Dick Cavette > show hoping to see clips from Woodstock to see her daughter. The energy was > flowing heavy on my part badgering this poor old woman and then it hit me. I Also > had a connection to her through Shiprock too. One of my favorite Paintings is > called "Mamma and Papa Got The Going Home To The Shiprock Blues" by TC Cannon > who was an American Indian artist who was killed in a drunken wreck in 1978. > It show s an old Indian couple wearing rayban sunglasses sitting under a > Greyhound Bus Stop Sign, the point being Indians see through the sun's rays and > there fore don't wear sunglasses it's a social statement on the encroachment of > western civilization brought upon the tribes and their desire to return to > the old ways. > I hope to reconnect with this woman so she can connect me up with her > daughter so I can pick her brain for all the trivia I can dig up on these two > events. and as they were getting in the car to leave I said you know I was really > upset I didn't get to go protest Bush's arrival in Fort Myers today but felt I > was well compensated by "The Great Spirit' for my good deed that day. As the > car started she said oh yeah I used to go to Philly to see Joni there with my > daughter. Well, my face hit the pasture as they drove away. Wait I thought we > have to discuss that now. It left me wondering how long will I have to wait > for that info from her and her daughter. I would say it was "A GREAT DAY". > Something I confirmed today: > "The moon eclipsed and you know > and happiness is the best facelift"! > > Peace > Mingus > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:06:34 -0000 > From: "Ross, Les" > Subject: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll > > Song To A Seagull: > Most Favorite - Nathan La Franeer > Least Favorite - Night in the City > > Clouds: > Most Favorite - I Think I Understand > Least Favorite - Songs to Aging Children > > Ladies Of The Canyon: > Most Favorite - For Free > Least Favorite - Morning Morgantown > > Blue: > Most Favorite - Blue > Least Favorite - This Flight Tonight > > For The Roses: > Most Favorite - Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire > Least Favorite - Barangrill > > Court & Spark: > Most Favorite - Same Situation > Least Favorite - Car on a Hill > > Miles of Aisles: > Most Favorite - Jericho > Least Favorite - You turn me on I'm a radio. > > Hissing Of Summer Lawns: > Most Favorite - All (but The Boho Dance, for list purposes) > Least Favorite - None (but Jungle Line, for list purposes) > > Hejira: > Most Favorite - All (but Hejira, for list purposes) > Least Favorite - None (but Black Crow, for list purposes) > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: > Most Favorite - Silky Veils of Ardour > Least Favorite - The Tenth World > > Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): > Most Favorite - Chair in the Sky > Least Favorite - The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay (the wolves that end > over-stay their welcome a tad) > > Shadows & Light: > Most Favorite - Hejira > Least Favorite - Why do Fools fall in Love > > Wild Things Run Fast: > Most Favorite - Love > Least Favorite - Dream Flat Tyres > > Dog Eat Dog: > Most Favorite - Impossible Dreamer > Least Favorite - Shiny Toys > > Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: > Most Favorite - Secret Place > Least Favorite - Dancing Clone > > Night Ride Home: > Most Favorite - Passion Play > Least Favorite - Rays Dad's f*g Cadillac > > Turbulent Indigo: > Most Favorite - The Sire of Sorrow > Least Favorite - Borderline > > (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) > > Taming The Tiger: > Most Favorite - Stay in Touch > Least Favorite - Lead Balloon > > Both Sides Now: > Most Favorite - A Case of You > Least Favorite - Don't go to Strangers > > Travelogue: > Most Favorite - None (Refuge of the Roads...maybe) > Least Favorite - All...perhaps I'm being harsh. (Sire of Sorrow...gads) > > Les (london) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:18:58 -0500 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today in History: November 14 > > 1993: Joni received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Saskatchewan Recording Industry Association. The presentation was held in front of about 150 people at the Willows Golf Resort in Saskatoon. After the presentation Joni gave an hour long interview and performed a new song called 'The Magdalene Laundries" that she said she planned to record as a duet with Sinead O'Connor. > More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=743 http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#TheBio > 1994: Joni was in London, England for a solo showcase for the media at a townhouse off Gloucester Road in South Kensington. Before the event, Joni was interviewed and performed two songs for the BBC series "The Late Show." She then went on stage and performed for more than an hour in front of 200 media and record company people. An amazing footnote is that Joni didn't smoke a single cigarette for the duration of her show! > > Mike Quinn posted to the JMDL: I have a press cutting from The Independent describing [this event] which Joni played at 41 Queensgate Terrace in Kensington, UK. According to the piece she played alone for an hour, the set consisting of 11 songs, 4 from TI and some that were then unrecorded (such as Face Lift). She started with Refuge from the Roads and finished with Just like this Train. She talked about Saskatoon, how she came to write The Magdalene Laundries and about Dave Crosby who was very ill at the time. The audience "became more appreciative" the longer she played. "No lighted matches and stomping feet but prolonged, insistent clapping at the end. And an encore". > More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/LondonShowcase94.html > - ---- > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:18:58 -0500 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today's Library Links: November 14 > > On November 14 the following articles were published: > > 1991: "100 Greatest Album Covers of All-Time" - Rolling Stone > (Appreciation) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=674 > > > 2002: "Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow, Trisha Yearwood Sing For Walden Woods" - Launch.com > (Review - Appearance) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=968 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 2:21:30 -0500 > From: > Subject: Re: Cory's choices > > Yeah, Cory. BLUE is a terrific piece of work. She's very vulnerable on that one that one. When you've lived in that collection for awhile, it may also amaze you that she can talk about all that pain but it doesn't bring you (the listener) down. It makes you feel better to go through hell with her and come though it. It elevates you somehow. It's cathartic. > > In less skilled hands, it would have been a collection of songs by a person who lets herself be used (like a doormat) but that's not Joni. About BLUE, last week I wrote, "This is the album that defined for our generation, the pinnacle of songwriting when an artist is holding nothing back. She was hurting yet, luckily for us, she had some amazingly incisive and often breathtakingly cathartic skill with rendering a story. This is not navel-gazing. This is the sound of a phoenix crashing and beginning again." > > Yeah, discovering "BLUE" is a terrific thing. > > All the best, > Lama > > Cory wrote: > > Hey I'm new to this list and rather new to Joni, having "discovered" Blue last January. My Dad is a fan, but it took me awhile to really give her a listen (I'm 19, a sophomore at UC Berkeley); now she's my favorite recording artist.> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:21:25 EST > From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com > Subject: Re: Artwork Archive > > There was some mention here the other day of an Artwork Archive for Joni's > live shows. > > I'd be very interested in that, should it come together. > > Please keep us posted. > > Thanks, > John in Massachusetts > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2003 #565 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:32:36 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Current favorite/least favorite list. JC Gang, The favorites...they go round and round....Best are up....least admired are down. Proceed. STAS: Cactus Tree Marcie CLOUDS: Tin Angel Roses Blue LOTC: Conversation Blue Boy (sorry, this one is a real gagger) BLUE: Carey River FTR: Electricity Blonde in the Bleachers C&S: C&S (or, all of 'Side 1'...as in LP) Just Like This Train MOA: For Free Jericho THOSL: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Shadows and Light HEJIRA: Hejira Black Crow DJRD: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Talk to Me MINGUS: The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines The live snippets, (especially Sue Mingus whining about that 'weird minor chord') Sue, honey, it's just a plain old minor chord. 'Kay? S&L: Coyote Rebel Without a Cause WTRF: Moon at the Window You Dream Flat Tires DED: Shiny Toys Empty...Try Another CMIARS: My Secret Place Dancin' Clown NRH: Two Grey Rooms Nothing Can Be Done TI: Job's Sad Song Sex Kills TTT: Love Puts on a New Face Lead Balloon BSN: Both Sides, Now I Wish I Were in Love Again (A great song turned to clay in this versions) TLOG: Refuge of the Roads Songs from the emphysema ward.....that would be all the rest. Thanks....can't wait to see how I do on the next one. Aloha, Russ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:42:07 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Mingus 'raps'...my bad! Gang, An amendment to my fave/least fave list. For Mingus, I put the junk between the songs as least fave......OK...My least favorite song is Sweet Sucker Dance, but I still really dislike the chatter. Aloha, Russ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Customize MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:42:20 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Today: Rikki Lee Jones on The World Cafe I missed the 1st half hour. RLJ is on The World Cafe today. It's different times on different stations so as they say, check your local listings. Always proud to pimp for my favorites, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: ooooh my turn my turn...... Song To A Seagull: Most Favorite - night in the friggin city!!!! Least Favorite - pirate of penance (if it tweren't for that song i really could not pick out a least favorite--- they ALL shine like a handfull of gems) Clouds: Most Favorite - chelsea morning (i guess i like "up" joni best) Least Favorite - fiddle and the drum (and thats only cause of its stark treatment) Ladies Of The Canyon: Most Favorite - conversation Least Favorite - willie (a grating song for me AND it's about graham-ick) Blue: Most Favorite - this flight tonight Least Favorite - my old man (corny) For The Roses: Most Favorite - electricity Least Favorite - none my fave lp. period. Court & Spark: Most Favorite - free man in paris Least Favorite - help me (am i the only one that thinks joni's biggest hit single is LAME?) Miles of Aisles: Most Favorite - love or money (how come no one likes this song?) Least Favorite - none- a remarkably consistant lp Hissing Of Summer Lawns: Most Favorite - don't interrupt the sorrow Least Favorite - none. (i mean HOW can you pick a weak song from this masterpiece?) Hejira: Most Favorite - hejira Least Favorite - blue motel room (my second favorite joni lp) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Most Favorite - the title tune (this song transports me) Least Favorite - paprika plains (yawn) Mingus: Most Favorite -dry cleaner (so clever so fast) Least Favorite - goodbye porkpie hat Shadows & Light: Most Favorite - hejira Least Favorite - none-all decent-(altho some of those extended solos get on my friggin nerves) Wild Things Run Fast: Most Favorite - chinese cafe Least Favorite - man to man Dog Eat Dog: Most Favorite - impossible dreamer Least Favorite - the rest (save for smokin which is at least clever) her worst lp for me Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: Most Favorite - beat of black wings Least Favorite - good friends (tuneless) Night Ride Home: Most Favorite -night ride home Least Favorite - Ray's Dad's Cadillac (when did she start repeating phrases ad nauseum?) Turbulent Indigo: Most Favorite - title tune & sire of sorrow (ha ah so what-sue me) Least Favorite - magdelena diaries (i know i'm alone here, but i'm catholic and the song is so obvious and it has no tune to speak of to boot!) Taming The Tiger: Most Favorite - (title AND the instrumental version) Least Favorite - none (again i think this is a very consistent lp) Both Sides Now: Most Favorite - A Case of You Least Favorite - the rest-what was she thinking Travelogue: Most Favorite - just like this train Least Favorite - i've learened that most of these songs sound best listened to ONE at a time (isolated). any several in a row makes me want to fling the thing(s) i love my joni and will patiently await for her to write and record new songs. she will you know. xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #355 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)