From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #354 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 354 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Song Poll ["Timothy Foldoe" ] Re: CSN&Y VCD Vine (vlJC) [Emiliano ] Re: Homework - Favorite song poll [Steve Polifka ] Re: Songs by Album poll, now WELCOME Cory! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re:Homework - Favorite song poll ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Cory's choices [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Homework - Favorite song poll [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Songs by Album Poll ["michael o'malley" ] Woolf and RLJ and Joni ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Janis ian's website [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni mention in "OHIO" [] Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: Homework - Favorite song poll ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in History: November 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Cory's choices [] Re: Artwork Archive [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:21:45 -0500 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: Song Poll Song To A Seagull: Most Favorite - The Dawntreader Least Favorite - I love every song on here, but I guess the one I least identify with is Sisotowbell Lane Clouds: Most Favorite - I Think I Understand Least Favorite - (Another really hard choice) Songs to Aging Children Come Ladies Of The Canyon: Most Favorite - For Free Least Favorite - Blue Boy Blue: Most Favorite - River Least Favorite - Carey (but only because it's the only song that starts to annoy me by the tenth repeat of the album!) For The Roses: Most Favorite - Judgment of the Moon and Stars Least Favorite - You Turn me on I'm a Radio Court & Spark: Most Favorite - Court and Spark Least Favorite - Raised on Robbery Miles of Aisles: For this album I'm going to judge on arrangement since most are previously recorded. Most Favorite - A Case of You Least Favorite - People's Parties Hissing Of Summer Lawns: Most Favorite - The Jungle Line Least Favorite - In France They Kiss on Main Street Hejira: Most Favorite - Amelia Least Favorite - Furry Sings the Blues Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Most Favorite - Dreamland Least Favorite - Talk To Me Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): Most Favorite -The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey Least Favorite - Sweet Sucker Dance Shadows & Light: Most Favorite - Amelia Least Favorite - Raised on Robbery Wild Things Run Fast: Most Favorite - Love Least Favorite - Man to Man Dog Eat Dog: Most Favorite - Ethiopia Least Favorite - Smokin' Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: Most Favorite - My Secret Place Least Favorite - The Dancin' Clown Night Ride Home: Most Favorite -Come in From the Cold Least Favorite - Ray's Dad's Cadillac Turbulent Indigo: Most Favorite - The Sire of Sorrow Least Favorite - Last Chance Lost (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) Taming The Tiger: Most Favorite - Harlem in Havana Least Favorite - Lead Balloon Both Sides Now: Most Favorite - A Case of You Least Favorite - Don't Go to Strangers Travelogue: Most Favorite - Amelia Least Favorite - Be Cool ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:24:50 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: CSN&Y VCD Vine (vlJC) Hi, folks! Just t olet you know that the original discs are already in its way to our mutual friend Doug, from Ontario. A copy of these are also heading now to awaiting Don's hands, in Sidney. Many thanks to all of you! and... Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: He lives in you, The Lion King II, Broadway OrCast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:30:39 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll At 09:44 AM 11/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: >"I bet that if we polled the >JMDL, we'd get votes for each song on the record as the "favorite song" - >another Joni trademark." This is where I stand righ now. Next week I might feel a bit different about my choices... t >Song To A Seagull: >Most Favorite - The Dawntreader >Least Favorite - Pirate of Penance > >Clouds: >Most Favorite - Tin Angel >Least Favorite - Roses BLue > >Ladies Of The Canyon: >Most Favorite - Ladies of the Canyon >Least Favorite - none > >Blue: >Most Favorite - All I Want >Least Favorite - None > >For The Roses: >Most Favorite - Judgement of the Moon and Stars >Least Favorite - None > >Court & Spark: >Most Favorite - Down to You >Least Favorite - None > >Miles of Aisles: >Most Favorite -Rainy Night House >Least Favorite -(version) You Turn...Radio > >Hissing Of Summer Lawns: >Most Favorite -Don't Interrupt the Sorrow >Least Favorite -Harry's House > >Hejira: >Most Favorite -Amelia >Least Favorite -Furry Sings the Blues > >Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: >Most Favorite -Talk to Me >Least Favorite -Tenth World > >Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): >Most Favorite -Wolf That Lives in Lindsey >Least Favorite -Sweet Sucker Dance > >Shadows & Light: >Most Favorite -Amelia/Pat's Solo/Hejira >Least Favorite -none > >Wild Things Run Fast: >Most Favorite -Love >Least Favorite -none > >Dog Eat Dog: >Most Favorite -Good Friends >Least Favorite -Tax Free > >Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: >Most Favorite -Beat of Black Wings >Least Favorite -Reoccuring Dream > >Night Ride Home: >Most Favorite -Two Grey Rooms >Least Favorite -None > >Turbulent Indigo: >Most Favorite -Sire of Sorrow >Least Favorite -Not to Blame > >(I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) > >Taming The Tiger: >Most Favorite -Man From Mars >Least Favorite -No Apologies > >Both Sides Now: >Most Favorite -A Case Of You >Least Favorite -You've Changed > >Travelogue: >Most Favorite -God Must be a Boogie Man >Least Favorite - the rest... (okay, okay, but MOST of them!) Joni I love you but you shoulda just done half those songs! Steve > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential >and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient >of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, >retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any >action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you >received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. 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Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:34:20 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Songs by Album poll, now WELCOME Cory! Hey - thanks for the responses Cory, and welcome to the JMDL! We actually have quite a few younger members here, and it's always great to see that great music like that of Joni Mitchell is breaking through to the next generation. I'm sure that your Dad has no problem with your "borrowing" his Joni; indeed I imagine you could convince him to give you all the Joni you want. We Joni fans are notorious pushers! I couldn't help but notice some of the records NOT listed on your response (i.e. you haven't heard them yet)...Hissing, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Shadows & Light...my my my, are you in for a great ride. Good luck at Berkeley, and please don't be a stranger. New voices rock. Bob NP: Peter Case, "Lost In Your Eyes" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Yep, all data will be released, and no chad will be left hanging. And remember, we're not talking 'best vs. worst', but 'most favorite vs. least favorite'. Keep those responses coming in...only 14 so far, but since most are on digest I'm hoping for some good numbers today & tomorrow. In addition to my prediction that there will be votes for each song (or nearly each song) on Clouds as "most favorite", I am also interested in one other statistic, which I will dub "most controvertial". This title might go to the song that is named most frequently as "most favorite and least favorite", using the lesser of the two results as the answer. For example, if a song gets 5 most favorite votes and 3 least favorite votes, it beats out a song with, say 8 and 2, respectively. We already have at least one or two such inversions posted on the digest responses to date. IMO, that goes not only to taste, but to the overall high consistency of Joni's work - almost all of her songs are high quality. Bobsart (recovering from tooth extraction today - a day off to enjoy some pain killers !) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:20:58 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll Oh, we'll keep it open for another week or so...JMDLer's are notorious for always running behind the times. Besides, every time I see "Dancin' Clown" as a Least Favorite it just warms my heart so. As for Clouds, so far (7) of the songs have been picked as "Most Favored". Bob NP: Cat Power, "Peking Saint" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:41:10 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Cory's choices Cory wrote: Hey I'm new to this list and rather new to Joni, having "discovered" Blue last January. My Dad is a fan, but it took me awhile to really give her a listen (I'm 19, a sophomore at UC Berkeley); now she's my favorite recording artist. Hi, Cory, and a big welcome to the list. The people here are really amazing people (some are musicians and even songwriters), and we love it when new members post. There's so much to learn about the list, this site and the people here - in addition to the postings, members get together formally and informally, in their travels etc - in some cases at medium to large gatherings (one took place this past week in England, and one back in August in New York, where about 70 people attended, ranging in age from 14 to 80 , from all over the country and the world - not just New England- played songs, recorded etc over a 4 day period ) We "older folks" especially love it when younger members join - apart from the young blood, it goes to Joni's legacy. Congratulations, you are among the elite, the connoisseurs, - and the cognoscenti. My daughter (23) had no choice but to give her a listen - and rejected Joni for years (perhaps because it was too close to attempted indoctrination). This past year, she opened up to her, and is now a huge fan (and has introduced joni to her friends in Paris and now Oxford). Your choices are astute - but you may well find yourself waking up one day in amazement at your "least favorite" choices. I once felt the same way about The Banquet, Black Crow and The Priest - but the latter nearly got my vote yesterday for most favorite (still edged out by Circle Game), while Black Crow did get my vote as most favorite (but on the Shadows and Light disc - live version). What turns you on the most - the music, the lyrics, the singing, the arrangements - or the whole package ? Tell us more about yourself. If you do not have the Shadows and Light DVD (and the Joni Mitchell - WOHAM DVD), those are two investments that I would recommend as next additions to your collection. Best Bob Sartorius (on this list, Bobsart, from NJ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:11:35 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll THis was HARD! No more HOmework! Song To A Seagull: Most Favorite - Cactus Tree Least Favorite - Pirate of Penance Clouds: Most Favorite - Both Sides Now Least Favorite - Fiddle and Drum Ladies Of The Canyon: Most Favorite - Conversation Least Favorite - Blue Boy Blue: Most Favorite - River (This was the hardest one of all - almost did a 3 way tie here with Blue and The Last Time I saw Richard) Least Favorite - My Old Man For The Roses: Most Favorite - Ludwig's Tune Least Favorite - Banquet (another hard one, I like do like this one but had to say something) Court & Spark: Most Favorite - Down to you Least Favorite - Free Man in Paris Miles of Aisles: Most Favorite - The Last Time I saw Richard Least Favorite - Circle Game Hissing Of Summer Lawns: Most Favorite - Boho Dance Least Favorite - Jungle Line Hejira: Most Favorite - Hejira Least Favorite - Blue Motel Room Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Most Favorite - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Least Favorite - Jericho Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): Most Favorite - Dry Cleaner from Des Moines Least Favorite - Sweet Sucker Dance Shadows & Light: Most Favorite - Coyote Least Favorite - Shadows and Light Wild Things Run Fast: Most Favorite - Moon at the Window Least Favorite - Underneath the Streetlight Dog Eat Dog: Most Favorite - Dog Eat Dog Least Favorite - Ethiopia Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: Most Favorite - Number One Least Favorite - Lakota Night Ride Home: Most Favorite - Passion Play Least Favorite - Ray's Dad's Cadillac Turbulent Indigo: Most Favorite - Sire of Sorrow Least Favorite - Yvette in English (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) Taming The Tiger: Most Favorite - Man from Mars Least Favorite - lead balloon Both Sides Now: Most Favorite - I Wish I Were in Love Again Least Favorite - You're my Thrill Travelogue: Most Favorite - The Dawntreader Least Favorite - Ludwig's Tune (note this is my fav from FTR) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:36:11 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Song Poll The results are not as fascinating as the songs themselves, but fascinating. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:56:23 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Songs by Album poll >From: "Cory Thompson-Briggs" >Reply-To: "Cory Thompson-Briggs" >To: joni@smoe.org >least favorite--Banquet Wow,I'm very suprised.I think "Banquet" is a very deep,wonderful song that kind of summarizes the themes of the album. by the way,have you listened to "Hissing of summer lawns" yet?That's a great album. _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:21:03 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re: Songs by Album Poll Hi Cory, Great to have you aboard - it's always a pleasure to hear the opinions and impressions of younger Joni affecionados. It's also a relief to learn that Joni's words and music can speak to a generation younger than her own. I wonder what your pals think of her? I like your two choices - Hejira and A Case of You. I think you'll find a lot of people here that would agree with you in these two picks. Personally, I find it hard to choose between Hejira and Refuge of the Roads, but ACOY is my all time fav. If you haven't discovered Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (not unlike Hejira) or Turbulent Indigo yet - you're in for a treat. There are great moments on TI as well, and Joni's guitar playing on it is amazing. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:46:07 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Woolf and RLJ and Joni I was listening to Rickie Lee's latest on the way home from work tonight and wishing I could catch more of the words to these songs. I know that 'Ugly Man' is supposed to be about W and the sense of 'Tell Somebody' is pretty clear. Anyway I got to thinking about Rickie being politicized and trying to combine this with her art and I started thinking about the following excerpt from a letter written by Virginia Woolf to a novice writer that I had just read last night: 'I think your poetry and your realism are at present tripping each other up; but I remember this (how condescendingly I am writing!) in my own beginnings: two instincts each running away, and seeming to refuse to combine. Both are genuine in you; which is very attractive to me; the poet and the realist; but I am sure that writers thus complicated with two points of view develop more slowly and blunderingly than the simpler sort.' It seems to me that both Joni and Rickie Lee were realists with a flair and instinct for poetry right from the start. I don't see that either one of them developed 'slowly' or 'blunderingly', however. But when I listen to 'Living It Up' or 'Don't Interrupt the Sorrow' I get a sense of someone trying to communicate hard, not necessarily pretty realities in unsentimental but very poetic words. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:01:48 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? With the day off for my tooth extraction and the follow-up drugs :-), I got to thinking again about my ultimately mixed feelings about Travelogue (including my sense of disappointment that the project might have succeeded with 'something' different - perhaps a different arranger, or perhaps a few arrangers, or was it the song selection, or too much orchestration, or perhaps just too much - i.e., too much of a project for both the creators and the listeners). I realize that T has some critics who feel it is without redeeming value, and others who feel it is a great work. I felt it was somewhere in between. So, I got to thinking about which cuts I liked the best, and wondered if I shortened it from two 11 track CD's to one, would that help ? So, I started by picking the 11 re-creations that I liked the most, and then set about the task of re-ordering them. At that point, I came to a couple of conclusions and observations: 1. The task of ordering these songs must have been quite problematic for Joni. There were so many "big" songs that needed to be separated, and naturally there was no intentionally created 'theme' to the writings (which were culled from songs over a 30 year period). 2. Despite the need for 'change of pace', there were no real "love songs" on this record - why not, I wonder ? I surmise that Joni was looking for songs she felt were "important" songs, by and large, and perhaps had reached a point in her life where she viewed personal songs of romance to not be inherently important. Hmmm. But "Love" was OK in the sense that its plane was universal and spiritual rather than personal and corporal. 3. I discovered that I had pretty strong reasons for the songs I ditched - some, because I did not like the arrangements, a couple because they have not been among my favorites, but several because they just did not lend themselves to full orchestration, by the nature of the art itself (especially For the Roses and The Circle Game) Anyway, I digress. I ended up breaking the one CD into two sides - one of which I saw a more along the lines of universal / spiritual / societal, and the other a bit more personal in tone (one could argue about my placement). I ended up with the following order: Side One Otis & Marlena Slouching Toward Bethlehem Judgement of the Moon and Stars The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) God Must Be a Boogie Man Side Two Hejira You Dream Flat Tires Cherokee Louise Chinese Cafe / Unchained Melody Be Cool Refuge of the Roads I will be trying to figure out how to burn these onto a CD, so I can listen to this subset and see if it increases my enjoyment. I wondered if this could lead to another poll - your 11 'most favorite' songs on Travelogue - whence to formulate a consensus single CD. Also, I wondered how skewed the voting would end up (i.e., would it be a tightly bunched set of selections, surrounding the 50% mark, or would some songs garner a very high percentage of votes and others a very small percentage). Anyway, if y'all want to have your crack at your "favorite 11 from T", I will be happy to compile the survey and report back the results. Again, you can keep your choices anonymous by sending them to me, or you can post them to the list (I'll keep my eyes open). We can tackle ordering them after the selections are done ;-) Bobsart For your convenience, the full set list is Otis And Marlena Amelia You Dream Flat Tires Love Woodstock Slouching Toward Bethlehem Judgement Of The Moon And Stars The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) For The Roses Trouble Child God Must Be A Boogie Man Be Cool Just Like This Train Sex Kills Refuge Of The Roads Hejira Chinese Cafi Cherokee Louise The Dawntreader The Last Time I Saw Richard Borderline The Circle Game ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:46:15 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: Janis ian's website < I just want a chance to rave about Janis Ian.She seems to me to be such a wonderful,caring person.How many other famous artists respond personally to people on thier website,and in such a warm,kind,real manner?very,very few,I'm sure...> and she is so good at it too. gotta like a celeb who takes time for the peeps ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:04:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? My heavens! Why would you not include "The Dawntreader"? One of the few reasons to own Tlog. I like your idea though Bob, like the other Bob said it could be called "Travelong"...don't know if I can come up with 11 tracks though - is there an EP or CD-single option? ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:51:53 -0500 From: Subject: Joni mention in "OHIO" Okay, I don't think that everytime someone mentions the name "Joni" it means Our Lady Of Duality but... On her website Karin Berquist of "Over The Rhine", mentions Joni's "BLUE" as one of the pivotal documents in her youth. OtR has a new album, OHIO, and there's a Joni mention. I was leaving this stone unturned, like a Bouncing Betty, so that I'd know when some JMDLers came along the trail and "discovered" this new album. Since no one has uncovered it, I guess it means that inspite of my tireless Pimping for OtR, no one bought the album, OHIO. In addition, on the new album by Over The Rhine, she's revisiting her teenage home where the strip-mining has finally stopped... - ---------- Hello Ohio The back roads I know Ohio Like the back of my hand Alone Ohio Where the river bends And it's strange to see your story end In my life I"ve seen a thousand dreams Through the threshers all torn to pieces And the land lay bear Someone turned a profit there And a good son lost his life in a strip pit When the sun went down we would all leave town And light our fires in Egypt Bottom And the reservoir was just as good for Joni 'Cause we knew we would Dream outloud in the night air Holly said, Don't go inside the children's home Mary said, Don't leave your man alone Valerie was singin' to the radio Ohio - ---------- Let's do the math: 1. Karin mentions Joni's BLUE. 2. Karin invokes the Great One's name in lyric, and 3. The mention is followed by advice for the love-lorn. I'd say that's probably enough evidence to recommend this as a "Joni-in-song" mention. What say ye? All the best, Lama PS, I'd give my starboard jib sheet to do their pictures next time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:04:14 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" - A new poll ? Bob Muller asked: My heavens! Why would you not include "The Dawntreader"? One of the few reasons to own Tlog. .....don't know if I can come up with 11 tracks though - is there an EP or CD-single option? ;~) Well, if it is any consolation, Dawntreader was my number 12 - and perhaps the song I felt least strongly about leaving off. However, I fully expect to feel the same way about some of my choices as they are left off of others' lists. Again, my negativity toward T feels less pronounced than yours - I genuinely like about half the efforts, even by comparison to the original versions. And I am sort of surprised that T's critics do not seem to "get" the virtues of the better efforts on this recording. In answer to your question, I find The Dawntreader (a song that I loved from STAS) to be closer to ingenue work lyrically - and one that was better treated with guitar alone than with the orchestra. Also, the arrangement did not add much that was not already captured in the original, IMO - really, a wonderful composition by Joni from the beginning. So, that's why ultimately I left it off. As far as finding enough tracks goes, in this case, the whole concept relies on everyone picking their 11 "most favorite" - or if you prefer "least unfavorite". And yes, I think that the votes of those who dislike T are just as important to this process as those who love T. I know y'all love the songs - surely the results are not horrible in an "absolute" sense (the songs are just too strong) - even if one views them as inferior in a relative sense to the originals. Hope I get your list (even if you want to caveat the ones you actually "dislike the least"). Best bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:54:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Homework - Favorite song poll > > Song To A Seagull: > > Most Favorite - cactus tree > > Least Favorite - dawntreader > > > > Clouds: > > Most Favorite - chelsea morning > > Least Favorite - i think i understand > > > > Ladies Of The Canyon: > > Most Favorite - conversation > > Least Favorite - blue boy > > > > Blue: > > Most Favorite - The Last Time I Saw Richard > > Least Favorite - carey > > > > For The Roses: > > Most Favorite - banquet > > Least Favorite - Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire > > > > Court & Spark: > > Most Favorite - just like this train > > Least Favorite - Free Man In Paris > > > > Miles of Aisles: > > Most Favorite - cactus tree > > Least Favorite - for love or money > > > > Hissing Of Summer Lawns: > > Most Favorite - Don't Interrupt The Sorrow > > Least Favorite - sweet bird > > > > Hejira: > > Most Favorite - coyote > > Least Favorite - refuge of the roads > > > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: > > Most Favorite - otis and marlena > > Least Favorite - off night backstreet > > > > Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): > > Most Favorite - wolf that lives in lindsay > > Least Favorite - sweet sucker dance > > > > Shadows & Light: > > Most Favorite - Amelia > > Least Favorite - why do fools fall in love and all the solos > > > > Wild Things Run Fast: > > Most Favorite - Be Cool > > Least Favorite - you dream flat tires > > > > Dog Eat Dog: > > Most Favorite - shiny toys > > Least Favorite - ethiopia > > > > Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: > > Most Favorite - The Beat Of Black Wings > > Least Favorite - cool water > > > > Night Ride Home: > > Most Favorite - none > > Least Favorite - all > > > > Turbulent Indigo: > > Most Favorite - none > > Least Favorite -all > > > > (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) > > > > Taming The Tiger: > > Most Favorite - none > > Least Favorite - all > > > > Both Sides Now: > > Most Favorite - none > > Least Favorite - all > > > > Travelogue: > > Most Favorite - none > > Least Favorite - all > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:13:36 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #563 - Janis Ian NJ I just want a chance to rave about Janis Ian.She seems to me to be such a wonderful,caring person.How many other famous artists respond personally to people on thier website,and in such a warm,kind,real manner?very,very few,I'm sure... http://www.janisian.com I'm a frequent visitor to that site and a frequent poster on the bulletin board. It is an unusual experience to converse with the artist that way. I've chatted with JI online too, and she seemed to express genuine interest in my work, etc. Anyway, yes, it's cool, though sometimes it's almost as if the artist's mystique is eliminated (unlike a certain other singer/songwriter we all know, who has tons of mystique...that's OK too). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:53:57 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: "That Song About The MIdway" Atlantic City Pop Festival August 1,2 & 3 1969 BB King, Procal Harum, Joni Mitchell, Blood Sweat & Tears, Chambers Brothers, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, Johnny Winter, Lighthouse, Paul Butterfield, Santana, Three Dog Night, Byrds, Chicago, Mothers-Zappa, Canned Heat, Dr.John, Little Richard, Miles Davis, AUM, Tim Buckley, Joe Cocker, Mother Earth and a few more _____________________________________________________________ Today at the ranch David and I hosted A Luncheon for his mother(79) and 14 of her more active friends. What I thought would be a slow day got to be a great trivia day for me. I was grilling burgers and hot-dogs when this woman probably about 73, started talking to me and said she didn't know Sally(David''s mother) but came with her friend Iris who his mother has known for 45 years, she said she had a son and a daughter, the son was a journalist and the daughter worked with the Native American tribes in health care in Shiprock OK. I told her I was a journalism major but got sidelined after Art School into landscape design for 26 years but I had the good fortune of renewing my photography and reporting for Joni Mitchell.com. She offered up a big gasp and said I went with my daughter to the racetrack in Atlantic City to see her in 1969 and that lady with the raspy voice was there and I said you mean Janis Joplin. She spoke quite fondly of Joni and how she enjoyed her set best of all of the other sets. I tried to drag as much as I could out of a foggy memory but I couldn't get to much more. She did remember Joni being a bit uncomfortable near the end of her set but couldn't recall the rest. She did say CSN, James Taylor and Jimmy Hendrix were there as well. She said the race track really wasn't in Atlantic City but in a town called Millville. She did say that her daughter did go on to Woodstock the following week and she wanted her to go but she didn't though and was glad because of all that rain. I said you know Joni wrote the song "Woodstock" and she said I know , I toId her I didn't get to the first one but I went in 98 to see Joni. She then said she watched her on the Dick Cavette show hoping to see clips from Woodstock to see her daughter. The energy was flowing heavy on my part badgering this poor old woman and then it hit me. I Also had a connection to her through Shiprock too. One of my favorite Paintings is called "Mamma and Papa Got The Going Home To The Shiprock Blues" by TC Cannon who was an American Indian artist who was killed in a drunken wreck in 1978. It show s an old Indian couple wearing rayban sunglasses sitting under a Greyhound Bus Stop Sign, the point being Indians see through the sun's rays and there fore don't wear sunglasses it's a social statement on the encroachment of western civilization brought upon the tribes and their desire to return to the old ways. I hope to reconnect with this woman so she can connect me up with her daughter so I can pick her brain for all the trivia I can dig up on these two events. and as they were getting in the car to leave I said you know I was really upset I didn't get to go protest Bush's arrival in Fort Myers today but felt I was well compensated by "The Great Spirit' for my good deed that day. As the car started she said oh yeah I used to go to Philly to see Joni there with my daughter. Well, my face hit the pasture as they drove away. Wait I thought we have to discuss that now. It left me wondering how long will I have to wait for that info from her and her daughter. I would say it was "A GREAT DAY". Something I confirmed today: "The moon eclipsed and you know and happiness is the best facelift"! Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:06:34 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Homework - Favorite song poll Song To A Seagull: Most Favorite - Nathan La Franeer Least Favorite - Night in the City Clouds: Most Favorite - I Think I Understand Least Favorite - Songs to Aging Children Ladies Of The Canyon: Most Favorite - For Free Least Favorite - Morning Morgantown Blue: Most Favorite - Blue Least Favorite - This Flight Tonight For The Roses: Most Favorite - Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Least Favorite - Barangrill Court & Spark: Most Favorite - Same Situation Least Favorite - Car on a Hill Miles of Aisles: Most Favorite - Jericho Least Favorite - You turn me on I'm a radio. Hissing Of Summer Lawns: Most Favorite - All (but The Boho Dance, for list purposes) Least Favorite - None (but Jungle Line, for list purposes) Hejira: Most Favorite - All (but Hejira, for list purposes) Least Favorite - None (but Black Crow, for list purposes) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Most Favorite - Silky Veils of Ardour Least Favorite - The Tenth World Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): Most Favorite - Chair in the Sky Least Favorite - The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay (the wolves that end over-stay their welcome a tad) Shadows & Light: Most Favorite - Hejira Least Favorite - Why do Fools fall in Love Wild Things Run Fast: Most Favorite - Love Least Favorite - Dream Flat Tyres Dog Eat Dog: Most Favorite - Impossible Dreamer Least Favorite - Shiny Toys Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: Most Favorite - Secret Place Least Favorite - Dancing Clone Night Ride Home: Most Favorite - Passion Play Least Favorite - Rays Dad's f*g Cadillac Turbulent Indigo: Most Favorite - The Sire of Sorrow Least Favorite - Borderline (I'm intentionally leaving out Hits & Misses) Taming The Tiger: Most Favorite - Stay in Touch Least Favorite - Lead Balloon Both Sides Now: Most Favorite - A Case of You Least Favorite - Don't go to Strangers Travelogue: Most Favorite - None (Refuge of the Roads...maybe) Least Favorite - All...perhaps I'm being harsh. (Sire of Sorrow...gads) Les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:18:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 14 1993: Joni received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Saskatchewan Recording Industry Association. The presentation was held in front of about 150 people at the Willows Golf Resort in Saskatoon. After the presentation Joni gave an hour long interview and performed a new song called 'The Magdalene Laundries" that she said she planned to record as a duet with Sinead O'Connor. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=743 http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#TheBio 1994: Joni was in London, England for a solo showcase for the media at a townhouse off Gloucester Road in South Kensington. Before the event, Joni was interviewed and performed two songs for the BBC series "The Late Show." She then went on stage and performed for more than an hour in front of 200 media and record company people. An amazing footnote is that Joni didn't smoke a single cigarette for the duration of her show! Mike Quinn posted to the JMDL: I have a press cutting from The Independent describing [this event] which Joni played at 41 Queensgate Terrace in Kensington, UK. According to the piece she played alone for an hour, the set consisting of 11 songs, 4 from TI and some that were then unrecorded (such as Face Lift). She started with Refuge from the Roads and finished with Just like this Train. She talked about Saskatoon, how she came to write The Magdalene Laundries and about Dave Crosby who was very ill at the time. The audience "became more appreciative" the longer she played. "No lighted matches and stomping feet but prolonged, insistent clapping at the end. And an encore". More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/LondonShowcase94.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:18:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 14 On November 14 the following articles were published: 1991: "100 Greatest Album Covers of All-Time" - Rolling Stone (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=674 2002: "Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow, Trisha Yearwood Sing For Walden Woods" - Launch.com (Review - Appearance) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=968 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 2:21:30 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Cory's choices Yeah, Cory. BLUE is a terrific piece of work. She's very vulnerable on that one that one. When you've lived in that collection for awhile, it may also amaze you that she can talk about all that pain but it doesn't bring you (the listener) down. It makes you feel better to go through hell with her and come though it. It elevates you somehow. It's cathartic. In less skilled hands, it would have been a collection of songs by a person who lets herself be used (like a doormat) but that's not Joni. About BLUE, last week I wrote, "This is the album that defined for our generation, the pinnacle of songwriting when an artist is holding nothing back. She was hurting yet, luckily for us, she had some amazingly incisive and often breathtakingly cathartic skill with rendering a story. This is not navel-gazing. This is the sound of a phoenix crashing and beginning again." Yeah, discovering "BLUE" is a terrific thing. All the best, Lama Cory wrote: > Hey I'm new to this list and rather new to Joni, having "discovered" Blue last January. My Dad is a fan, but it took me awhile to really give her a listen (I'm 19, a sophomore at UC Berkeley); now she's my favorite recording artist.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:21:25 EST From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Re: Artwork Archive There was some mention here the other day of an Artwork Archive for Joni's live shows. I'd be very interested in that, should it come together. Please keep us posted. Thanks, John in Massachusetts ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #354 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)