From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #341 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 2 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 341 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and James PermaVine [Rick and Susan ] CGRs - Baby Blue, #1, and other stuff ["Marian Russell " ] Re: Permavines [Emiliano ] Cranky C & N ["Laurent Olszer" ] Jonifest DVD's- correction [AsharaJM@aol.com] permavine ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Jonifest DVD's- correction [Chris Marshall ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #540 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Covers [David Sadowski ] Re: Covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! ["kakki" ] Re: Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra; Metis (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: just a facet SJC [Emiliano ] Re: Joni : In Other Words [Murphycopy@aol.com] re: just a fan ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: Sweet Bird [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra; Metis (SJC) [Catherine McKay ] Today in History: November 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Oh my God - GREAT Joni in new movie [Susan Glumac ] Beating the Covers ["Paul Castle" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:09:01 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: Joni and James PermaVine Okay, I think I put this permavine out for the taking once and got no takers so here goes again. This is the Joni and James Taylor concert recorded in London in 1970. I will send the original to the first person to ask for it and a copy to the first burnerless person to respond. Sorry I no longer have the official permavine rules but maybe CDTrader John could repost them? Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:11:39 -0500 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: CGRs - Baby Blue, #1, and other stuff Well, I had to do some pretty serious driving yesterday and today. The only time I ever intentionally listen to music is driving in my car when I am alone. If I'm not alone, I like to talk with the people in my car (usually my kids) and music always seems to discourage communication so I just don't turn it on. And sometimes I just want to think about stuff, so I don't turn it one when I'm alone, but yesterday I felt like listening to something so I listened to NRH yesterday and today to the beginning songs on CMIARS. What a surprise to hear Baby Blue! made me wonder what other non-Joni songs can be played in Joni tunings. I can remember when I first heard the songs NRH and CL - I loved those songs so much - and now they seem a little bit boring, although I still love CL and think it is one of the few songs where Joni really got in touch with something special - some deep emotions - the song still made me cry yesterday. I also felt amazed yesterday at the emotion in Everything For Nothing. It is not one of my favorite songs, but I liked its intensity. My favorites on the album are BBB and R'sD'sC. I know a lot of you really hate R'sD'sC, but to me it seems so joyful and playful and also very clever musically. I also like NCBD quite a lot. As a aging person myself, this album seems to be about getting older - Joni's middle-aged lamenting. Today I had CMIARS in the player. I was stunned by #1. She really experimented with rhythm and harmony in that song. Even though I am a musician and I'm comfortable with harmonizing, I was struck by the unusual harmonies and found it hard to "hear" what was going on - I wanted to sing along, but it will take me a few more listens to figure out what the harmonies are. Joni has written quite a few songs with unusual harmonies (most notably S&L, which will go in the player after I finish the other CGRs CDs). I love that about her - the unusual harmonies in some of her songs. I wonder how she comes up with them. Does she hear them in her head? Does she sit down at the piano and work out weird chords and then do the vocals? I would love to ask her about this someday. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:17:24 EST From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Re: Perma Vine discs Please note: the recipients name and email address for these Perma-Vines should be posted to the group so others can track the flow. Thanks, John In a message dated 11/1/03 3:01:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:17:36 +0200 > From: "ron" > Subject: perma vine status > > hi > > > ok - the perma vine has been snapped up &will be winging its way back to > america!! > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:37:50 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: article with pics Catherine wrote: This article is worth is for the photos alone - beautiful! http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=9 Mmmmmmmmmm. Thanks Catherine ! Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:38:46 -0000 From: "TheWizardOfIs" Subject: Permavines Is anyone free to start a vine or tree? (Emiliano knows what's coming next as, I suspect, do some others.) AMO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:47:39 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Permavines Hi, AMO! First one thing: I'm intrigued by your many incarnations (ie: your e-mail addresses): this last one is superb, trust me. Are you the same who described himself two days ago as "Your very own tamed tiger"? If so, kitty kitty, please feel free to tell us (as dear Catherine pointed) about how did you find Joni's art, how much represnts in your life, etc... even you could tell us about how you rejected K.B.'s advances, so everyone of us could laugh a little! (excuse me if I'm being indiscreet, I'm famous for being that!) regarding Vines... I took myself the liberty to open a vine, so I guess is open to everyone who wants it: I assumed that, being an offer, nobody could feel harmed by it; besides, some people can discriminate vine's sources, ie: John's vines are of proven high quality, mine's... who knows? I suggest using E.A.C. (Exact Audio Copy) for finding any possible error on disc. Bottom line: if someone's offering some rare (unofficially released) SIQUOMB's stuff, I think it's a good thing for everybody, don't you? Well, whats my two centavos on it. Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: It Doesn't Matter Anymore, Linda Ronstadt - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "TheWizardOfIs" Para: "JMDL" Enviado: sabado, 01 de noviembre de 2003 14:38 Asunto: Permavines > Is anyone free to start a vine or tree? > > (Emiliano knows what's coming next as, I suspect, do some others.) > > > AMO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:11:37 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Cranky C & N I've been mulling over this thread about Croz being bitter, etc. , waiting to find the right words. I've always felt a special cosmic bond to Croz, as strong as my bond to Joni. So I can only convey my feelings about him in a personal manner When I went to the bookstore in W.Hollywood where Croz was signing authographs for the release of his bio, I was accompanied by a 75 year old friend (the one who passed away last august at 90) who was himself quite a character. I don't recall saying anything to Croz, I didn't need to. He just looked at us and I'll always remember the look of complicity he gave me, which was both intense and facetious, like he had figured me out without my saying a word, like he knew me forever. On the other hand I just got some VCDs on CSN&Y between 66 and 73 which I watched last night. In one, there is a segment at Big Sur in 69 where Joni joins them for this old hippie anthem I can't remember the name of, perhaps a Joan Baez song about "getting together". I'm not sure whether this segment is officially released (the VCDs all being bootlegs), if not I'll happily make it available to the list (Permavine?). Joni looks gorgeous, Nash is obviously a love-addict and at his creative peak with his muse. Quite a contrast with the next segment probably from 73: in it Nash is just a shadow of himself, a total wreck, sarcastic, bitter and grumpy (I guess anybody would after been dumped by Joni). There's an obvious rivality between Nash and Stills, Croz is flying high and Young is also in a dark phase, although for different reasons . Then all 4 sing Neil's "Only Love can Break your Heart", with just Stills playing an acoustic bass, and one can sense the emotion in the singing of this appropriate song. Just some euro cents' worth of thoughts about the ups and downs and how anybody can have his or her cranky moments. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:16:42 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest DVD's- correction I wrote: <> I have been duly corrected by techno-man, Mr. Simon Montgomery. Region free does not mean it can be played anywhere. I don't completely understand it, but I guess because it's made in the good ol' US of A, it's an NTSC DVD, thus cannot be played anywhere. Sorry for the misinformation. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:26:22 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: permavine I get the Joni digest so it's difficult to be the 1st to answer when it is being offered back. I'd appreciate it if I could get the Joni in ciculation one of these days. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:30:40 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Jonifest DVD's- correction On 1 Nov 2003, at 17:16, AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > I have been duly corrected by techno-man, Mr. Simon Montgomery. Region > free > does not mean it can be played anywhere. I don't completely understand > it, but > I guess because it's made in the good ol' US of A, it's an NTSC DVD, > thus > cannot be played anywhere. Sorry for the misinformation. But you may well find that your DVD player can handle NTSC discs even if you are not in the USA. As a rule of thumb, you should be OK if you already own Region 1 DVDs that play just fine on your player. It's most probable that you'll be OK, for instance, you're in the UK and have a multiregion player. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:48:53 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #540 Subject: TRAVELOGUE, used $17 in a store Muller said it this week. I saw it for myself today. Stunned in Covington, Lama Not sure why that would be so shocking, it's used. A used single CD (if not rare) sells for $2 to $8. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:11:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! Greetings to Joni fans around this wonderful world of ours! And I see by the dusty calendar on the wall (I need to vacuum this place one of these days but all the cobwebs just seemed appropriate for Halloween) that it's time to trot out another in the never-ending series of Joni Mitchell covers compilations! And November finds us cradling another winner in Volume #46! But first, let's look at all the fine folks who helped me gather in the bounty: Me Me Me OK, now that I'm vocally warmed up, let's look see what he have here: 1. Dengue Fever - Both Sides Now: By now I could probably put together a complete foreign-language edition, and if I did even then there would be only ONE in the Cambodian Khmer language - this one. It was used in the Soundtrack to Matt Dillon's film "City Of Ghosts". 2. The Practicers - Chelsea Morning 3. The Practicers - Carey/This Flight Tonight: A command return performance thanks to Jimmy Stewart who loves them so! ;~) As for me, I love the spirit of this duo, maybe lo-fi but they obviously love playing and singing these great songs. 4. Spring Fever - Woodstock: Straight from the hippie days (daze?) with a nice electrified psych-rock version. 5. Des O'Connor - Both Sides Now: Don't know much about him, a soft-pop singer from the UK I would guess. 6. Iron Savior - This Flight Tonight: Another heavy-metal cover of the Nazareth cover. Joni with facepaint & a codpiece. 7. Jimmy Angel - You're So Square: This guy is trying to sound like Buddy Holly, he sounds like some kind of mutant midget or something. Hilarious, especially when he sings "I don't know any dancesteps that I do..." Huh? 8. Lorin Grean - Green Fields/Big Yellow Taxi: Now this one is really pretty. Lorin (not to be confused with Lorne Green of Bonanza fame who recorded the cheesy "Ringo") uses a snippet of the first song to lead into BYT, with very nice acoustic & bass accompaniments which remind me of the intro music to "thirtysomething" if that rings any bells for anyone. 9. John Cacavas - Both Sides Now: Muzak. This Cacavas is ca-ca. 10. Michael Perlowin - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: This instrumental take on the Mingus melody is interesting due to its being played on the pedal steel guitar. And if you don't dig it, no sweat, cuz it's only a minute & a half! 11. Judd Grossman - Carey: This one made the cut for me Sweet Sixteen volume 2, and I love it. Judd (a pal of the JMDL's own Jenny Goodspeed) gives this one a nice driving-country treatment and has a nice clear true voice. 12. Toni Jannotta - Twisted: This one's pretty fun, and Toni gives her musicians a chance to stretch out on some nice solos. Funny thing is her voice sometimes sounds like Geddy Lee from Rush. All in all, a nice workout. 13. Ted Mulry - Both Sides Now: Australian folk-pop singer Mulry takes the franchise out for a perfunctory spin. 14. Pam Bricker - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: This one also made my Sweet 16 for 2003...great jazz vocal, love it. If only Joni would hook up with this sort of jazz trio, wow it would be unbeatable. 15. Patchy Fogg - Woodstock: Very obscure early 70's recording from a UK folk group, nice vocal blend, obviously influenced by the Matthews Southern Comfort recording but they still manage to make it their own. 16. Catherine Reed - Big Yellow Taxi: Nice guitar, nice vocal if a bit timid. 17. Syncopation - Both Sides Now: I really really LOVE this acapella version, totally unique and harmonies that will leave you breathless, like some of the stuff that Take 6 does where you say "how do they do that?". One of the group members handled the arrangement, and these guys are really tight. 18. Donna Deussen - River: Another excellent jazz version, besides her stunning vocal, the track features lovely and creative piano accompaniment and a wonderful acoustic bass anchoring the rhythm. Sweet. 19. David Sanborn - Man From Mars: Just out this year and also very well done. I love it when high-profile artists pick out Joni's 80's & 90's work to expose music fans to its compositional strength. This one is very mellow, not recommended for car-listening unless you're in a traffic jam and have time for a little napper. 20. Jumble Lane - The Gallery: More obscure UK folk, thankfully re-released this year on CD, so I didn't have to pick it up at a high auction price. Pretty much a dupe of Joni's lovely version, which means it's also lovely. 21. Gary Gendron - Both Sides Now: Forgettable, that's what you are... So there you go - a cornucopia of cover delights for your November enjoyment. Joe-bob says check it out. Stay tuned to find out how you can share in the joy. Bob NP: Dengue Fever - "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:15:19 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Covers Speaking of covers, do any of the covers collections include the sublime version of All I Want recorded by Keith Jarrett in 1971? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:24:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers "Speaking of covers" And this should be done at ALL times! :~D , "do any of the covers collections include the sublime version of All I Want recorded by Keith Jarrett in 1971?" But of course mon frer! It can be found on Volume #24 which has this excellent lineup: 1. Bruce Anthony - The Jungle Line 2. Bruce Anthony - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3. Bruce Anthony b Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 4. Kebb Mob b Big Yellow Taxi 5. Thom MacFarlane b Edith and the Kingpin 6. Shawn Colvin b Free Man In Paris (Live) 7. Don Henley b River (Live) 8. The Lilac Time b Big Yellow Taxi 9. Hal Frazier b Both Sides Now 10. Milan & Bibiloni b The Circle Game 11. Sue Medley b Raised On Robbery (Live) 12. Akiko Pavolka b Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 13. Akiko Pavolka b Amelia 14. The Newcomers b Both Sides Now 15. Lonnie Knight b For Free 16. Walt Barr b Chelsea Morning 17. Keith Jarrett b All I Want 18. Louis van Dyke/Rogier van Otterloo b Both Sides Now Bob NP: Ben Gibbard, "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" (Covers played by Death Cab For Cutie last night - Tom Petty's "Freefallin" & The Cure's "Love Song") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:36:25 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! Mine arrived yesterday (thank you - it's always a nice lift to find the padded package from S.C. in amongst the bills and junk mail!) and from your descriptions, it sounds like a very good one! I've noticed that Dengue Fever plays the clubs here a lot, too. Amazing to see a BSN cover from them! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:59:20 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: just a facet SJC Steve wrote: > I am. I just am. It's just a facet on my diamond- like being a musician, > writer, friend, sci-fi fan, a son, a brother, an artist, a dreamer, a > hopeful in a room like this, an instigator- there's so many things I am. > However, sometimes I have found it neccessary to be OUT and make it known. I really like your post Steve. One thing strikes me here... if it is a facet of your diamond like all these other things, then it will be shining beautifully just like the other facets, always out. I understand what you are saying though. Sometimes we have to stand up for our various facets... not everybody appreciates them and some try to put mud on them. Joni is one I admire along these lines; she definitely stands up for the facets of her beautiful diamond in her songs and interviews. Love and joy, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:09:04 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: just a facet SJC Hi Laura, As far as being OUT goes, I've always been nothing other than myself. Niether hide nor deny, as a late friend of mine used to put it. So in my mind, that facet was always shining. At what point do you have to be OUT? Do we tell the world-everyone we meet? Or do we just live our lives, love our lovers, and not look for acknowlegement from others? (I can't decide/ I don't know Which way to go The more you learn/ the less you know Which way to go Some follow blind and never know Which way to go To lead you need some place to go...) As with everything, (I think) we have to find our own way. This is the lesson I'm so focused on right now in my life. It's been a struggle that I've always been engaged in- that wanting someone to tell me what is what - Truth- Fiction...the meaning of life (maybe it IS Monty Python!) :-0 The journey is everything, right? The most interesting thought I've had is in regards to borderlines is that there is no US and Them. It is just US. We're all in this together. It's a sobering thought. Everything touches something. Everything affects everything else. Even science touches on it, though it is focused on the physical plane. I rather hate the fact that humanity likes to inflict misery on everything it touches- especially itself. In the middle of this Continent In the middle of our time on earth We perceive one another Stay in Touch We should Stay in Touch... Thanks, Joni... Steve, running with a way too serious tangent again! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: just a facet SJC > Steve wrote: > > > I am. I just am. It's just a facet on my diamond- like being a musician, > > writer, friend, sci-fi fan, a son, a brother, an artist, a dreamer, a > > hopeful in a room like this, an instigator- there's so many things I am. > > However, sometimes I have found it neccessary to be OUT and make it known. > > I really like your post Steve. One thing strikes me here... if it is > a facet of your diamond like all these other things, then it will be shining > beautifully just like the other facets, always out. I understand what you are > saying though. Sometimes we have to stand up for our various facets... not > everybody appreciates them and some try to put mud on them. Joni is one I > admire along these lines; she definitely stands up for the facets of her beautiful > diamond in her songs and interviews. > > Love and joy, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:00:10 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra; Metis (SJC) On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, "David Rahall" wrote, Re: "Prowler" and Davis/Slick (LJC) > >Speaking of a crowd of musicians hanging out, both Grace and Joni appear on >David Crosby's "If I Could Only Remember My Name," and both of their photos >grace the inner "whatchamacallit" of the gatefold LP (along with Graham >Nash, Neil Young, Jerry Garcia, Paul Kantner, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, >Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart, David Geffen, and others). I could be wrong, but I >think Paul Kantner refers to this bunch as the Planet Earth Rock and Roll >Orchestra (not to be confused with his later album that has that title). > Comment: The name "Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra" generates the acronym "PERRO," which is Spanish for "DOG." I imagine such an assemblage was not a "dog," nor did it bark up the wrong tree. Comparisons with Bonzo Dog Band or Three Dog Night, anybody? Among the articles published on Nov. 1 of past years was: > >2000: "Beyond the star-making machine" - Toronto Globe and Mail > (Biography) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=550 ... and in it is reference to Don Freed's "Metis heritage" (I do not have access to an acute-accent mark to put over the "e"), a term which has come up in other articles from the archives, but without definition. Is "Metis" the name of an Indian tribe, or is it a local term for a person of mixed Indian/Native American/First Nations/(you name it) and Caucasian/European/"white" ancestry? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:34:15 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harmonies, NRH and Blue Marian wrote "Joni has written quite a few songs with unusual harmonies (most notably S&L, which will go in the player after I finish the other CGRs CDs). I love that about her - the unusual harmonies in some of her songs" I agree about the unusual harmonies- and some of the not so unusual ones, too. NRH is an album full of harmonies. Blue, by way of contrast, had almost no harmonies. A little background harmony on This Flight Tonight (Good by baby, baby good bye, ooh ooh love is blind"), and some counterpoint type stuff in two or three part harmony on Carey. That's it. A record based solely on incredible melodies, near perfect lyrics and one or two superb instrumental accompaniments per song. How wondrous is that ? Bobsart Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:04:36 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni : In Other Words Hi everyone, Well, one fun thing about November (are there any others ??) is Joni's birthday, on the 7th. As you know, she's turnin' 60 this year, the ol' gal she is, and that's no laughin' matter, eh! To ease the pain, a group of us got together a couple of months ago and put together a book of the alternate Joni lyrics that spang up on the List this summer. The book is done - and we're very pleased with the final product. It contains 36 entries from 22 contributors, spread accross 7 countries on 4 continents. Impressive! The book was culled from cyberspace, touched up, printed up, wrapped up with love, then sent to Joni's management company in Vancouver in mid-October. I spoke to them by phone beforehand; they were brief but courteous, and assured me she would get our gift package. That was a relief! The package includes our book and Ashara's video, which features a clip of the ``Cease Interfering With the Sadness`` (DITS) number, as performed at Jonifest 2003. So, If any of you would like an electronic copy of the book manuscript (in Word), please contact me off-list and I will be happy to click one over to you. Fair warning - it is a 90-page document (190K) that includes a JPEG, so it could take a few moments to download, for those of you with dial-up modems. I must say, this project was a great learning experience for all, and it was also great fun working with 22 dedicated authors and editors! If you haven't already done so - now would be the time to remind your favourite radio hosts why November 7th is such a special day. Looking forward to Friday, Michael in Quebec NP: Lhasa de Sela - The Living Road ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 01:34:18 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: just a facet SJC Hi, Steve! Yes! Yes! Yes! How beautiful to read your post: *********We're all in this together********** I must say I enjoy reading each and everyone's posts about this thread: ***********United we stand**************** Yours: Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Steve Polifka" Para: ; Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 1:09 Asunto: Re: just a facet SJC > Hi Laura, > As far as being OUT goes, I've always been nothing other than myself. > Niether hide nor deny, as a late friend of mine used to put it. So in my > mind, > that facet was always shining. > At what point do you have to be OUT? Do we tell the world-everyone we > meet? > Or do we just live our lives, love our lovers, and not look for > acknowlegement from others? > > (I can't decide/ I don't know > Which way to go > The more you learn/ the less you know > Which way to go > Some follow blind and never know > Which way to go > To lead you need some place to go...) > > As with everything, (I think) we have to find our own way. This is the > lesson I'm so focused on > right now in my life. It's been a struggle that I've always been engaged in- > that wanting > someone to tell me what is what - Truth- Fiction...the meaning of life > (maybe it IS Monty Python!) :-0 > The journey is everything, right? The most interesting thought I've had > is in regards to borderlines > is that there is no US and Them. It is just US. We're all in this together. > It's a sobering thought. > Everything touches something. Everything affects everything else. > Even science touches on it, though it is focused on the physical plane. > I rather hate the fact that humanity likes to inflict misery on > everything it touches- especially itself. > > In the middle of this Continent > In the middle of our time on earth > We perceive one another > Stay in Touch > We should Stay in Touch... > > Thanks, Joni... > > Steve, > running with a way too serious tangent again! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:15:37 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni : In Other Words Michael writes: << I must say, this project was a great learning experience for all, and it was also great fun working with 22 dedicated authors and editors! >> And it was great working with you, Michael. Without you, the thesaurus Joni project never would have seen the brightness of morning*. Thanks! --Bob * light of day ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:08:50 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: re: just a fan Mack writes: "Violence begets violence' I don't recall proposing some kind of violent revolt against the heterosexual world. Mack also writes: "It (violence against gay people, (Paul) is the result of ignorance and hate I would put forth and that is why I feel education is so important. I fully support hate crime legislation but I don't feel that two wrongs make a right." This is more serious -- what two wrongs? In this case, there is one wrong -- the wrong is the fact that queer people get hurt, beaten up, bashed, raped and what have you. What do you mean by two wrongs? What second wrong is there -- the gay community hasn't even begon to defend itself? Matthew Shepard's father wanted the dead penalty for the murderers of his son. That would be wrong -- but nobody is asking for that kind of reactionay response. I would make no difference as long as the society we live in is structurally oppressive of queer people. I don't know in what community you live, mack. I myself live in the netherlands, one of the most liberal countries in the world, no doubt. But my heart goes out to all those people who are not that lucky -- who did not choose the family they live in, let alone the school they go to, the town they grow up in. It breaks my heart that so many young gay boys and lesbian girls, teenagers, feel it is better to take your own life than to face the consequences of not being 'normal'. that is, i think, what this debate is about. It is my view that we should not adjust to a social order that has outlawed us - -- we have to replace that social order by one that no longer oppresses anyone on the basis of sexual identity. Perhaps, in such a society, sexual identity can be a choice we make, instead of something essentialized in such a way that makes us think that we are the way we are born. Do you believe that everything we are is already determined genetically? No, we are like everything the product of society. And that is why we can change and make choices. I have no problem with the heterosexuals -- some of my best friends are straight (pun intended). what I have a problem with is that straight people think it's the most normal thing in the world to say a thing like this: "a month or two ago i met a gay man, who was totally different to most i have met. in fact, that's not the right way to put it - he was just a helluva nice person" now I rest my case. peace, paul of the netherlands - ---------------------------------- we will push on into that mystery, and it will push right back, and there are worse things than that -- dar williams: after all --- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:09:37 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Sweet Bird In a message dated 11/1/03 5:58:49 PM Central Standard Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > The journey is everything, right? The most interesting thought I've had > is in regards to borderlines > is that there is no US and Them. It is just US. We're all in this together. > It's a sobering thought. > Everything touches something. Everything affects everything else. > Even science touches on it, though it is focused on the physical plane. > I rather hate the fact that humanity likes to inflict misery on > everything it touches- especially itself. This REALLY reminds me of Joni's song Sweet Bird which sweet Kevin told me to listen to recently when I told him I just bought The Hissing of Summer Lawns. "Out on some borderline, some mark of in between." I've been meditating on this song for hours. I've wondered, was she laying on a beach, between the land and the sun, turning golden? I've woken up vanishing before after laying in the sun for a long time. This time we have, our youth, really is "briefer than a falling star." Time does go on and seems to be laughing. The last part of the song... "Guesses at most. Guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching." Ours are guesses that are rooted in what this set of time and change is touching. It's all a guess like this. Everything I write is a guess like this. My guess is that society is in the birthing process so there's bound to be pain. But, the outcome is very hopeful. We've got to look beyond and see the sweetness in the bird. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:08:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra; Metis (SJC) --- Timothy Spong wrote: > Among the articles published on Nov. 1 of past > years was: > > > >2000: "Beyond the star-making machine" - Toronto > Globe and Mail > > (Biography) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=550 > > > ... and in it is reference to Don Freed's "Metis > heritage" (I do not have > access to an acute-accent mark to put over the "e"), > a term which has come > up in other articles from the archives, but without > definition. Is "Metis" > the name of an Indian tribe, or is it a local term > for a person of mixed > Indian/Native American/First Nations/(you name it) > and > Caucasian/European/"white" ancestry? A Metis is someone who is part Native (etc as above) and part "white". I always thought the word itself came from the French "Moitie" (again accent on the e) which means "half", but I could be mistaken. http://www.metisnation.ca/DEFINITION/home.html One famous Metis - Louis Riel, hanged as a traitor by the Canadian gov't in 1885, now considered a hero, and with many schools, parks & buildings named after him, as well as a coffee house that Joni played at once upon a time. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:17:26 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: and you thought joni was cranky no, actually, i never did feel that way about her at all. she is honest, she does her things her way, she changes her mind when sh comes up with what she thinks is a better way of doing things, she takes high risks for the sake of experience and the hope for wisdom. if this makes her cranky, then God bless the cranks in the world. peace Noel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:49:48 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: amelia/buckley (SJC) Someone posted about Betty Buckley's show in NYC where she did Amelia. This I would really love to hear. I'm sure she did a great job with it. I'm a big fan of Betty's -- think she has great taste in song selection. And a terrific talent for conveying the emotional content of a tune. On one of her CDs she did Mary Chapin Carpenter's "C'mon, C'mon" (a GREAT song), and it was stunning. She is also a super Sondheim interpreter. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 02:11:03 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 2 1968: Joni performs at The Main Point in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania. 1998: Joni performed in Syracuse. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981102.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainSyracuse1098.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 02:11:03 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 2 On November 2 the following articles were published: 1980: "Joni's New Album Stays in Shadows" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=159 1998: "We Are Stardust" - Entertainment Weekly Online (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=105 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:33:18 -0800 From: Susan Glumac Subject: Oh my God - GREAT Joni in new movie Ok - I'm emerging from the lurk world to bring news about some great Joni moments in a new movie I saw tonite "Love Actually". Has a great cast, very lighthearted, ok a little corny, but a nice change of pace. So..., the Joni content: At one point Emma Thompson is listening to some Joni in the background (couldn't quite make out the song because my young friend who knows I love Joni started asking me " is that Joni Mitchell?" Anyway, the dialogue goes something like this. Husband " I can't believe you still listen to Joni Mitchell" Emma (wife) "I can't help it, she taught me to feel". Then later in the movie, there's a long scene in which the Emma Thompson character receives the "Both Sides Now" CD set for a Christmas present and.... well I don't want give away the movie but I will say they play about a minute of BSN with close ups of the album cover. Aaah, it was sweet!!! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:57:18 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Beating the Covers Sad as it may seem, I am prone to play a litte game called 'Beating the Covers' - - bit like fishing. From time to time, my float will bob (!) a bit and I'll feel a little tug on my line. Had a nibble this morning, reading that Cris Williamson & Holly Near had covered "The Tea Leaf Prophecy" on their new album "Cris & Holly". As my rod started to bend, I quickly clicked on http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byartist.cfm Dang! Another one got away! PaulC ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #341 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)