From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #336 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 28 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 336 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- nash ["Paul Mepschen" ] this is my intro, and it's long overdue ["Paul Mepschen" ] Daniel Lanois & Brian Blade ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: urge for going [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: "Joni Mitchell's Four Periods" , An essay for Joni's Internet community [Jerry Notaro ] re: Nash story ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue [Jerry Notaro ] Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue [Doug ] Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue ["Paul Mepschen" ] RE: urge for going ["patrick leader" ] FW: urge for going ["patrick leader" ] Re: Joni, Nash and Crosby [Rick and Susan ] Re: saskatoon in oct, re jmdl ["kakki" ] Re: Graham on Joni (SJC) ["kakki" ] Today in History: October 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: October 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] nash ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:34:01 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: nash Maybe to call Nash a mediocre prick is a bit off -- he certainly is a better singer/musician/songwriter than I am.... But still, he did annoy me on WOHAM.....I respect that he might be very human and nice to lesser gods, what remains is that I think he has a weird view of Joni........as if she is an expensive museum piece. Of course, her fans do that as well, but Nash knows Joni so personally, they shared a bed, they loved eachother......to see him talk about Joni makes me very uncomfortable, for her...... I don't know how else to say this. Didn't wanne upset anyone........ love, Paul of the Netherlands - -------------------------------------- Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful ones among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and cast away --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:03:06 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: this is my intro, and it's long overdue Hi list, I guess it's time for something like an intro-- This list is interesting to me, because it's so different than others I am on....like the Darlist (Dar Williams) or the Richard Shindell list. They are much more folkoriented than JMDL......... I got to know Joni when my dad bought me Ladies of the Canyon when I was thirteen. He must have figured I'd like it, because I was always listening to his sixties/seventies albums.....music of his generation....he is 54 now, I am 27.........I was a weird kid I guess......I didn't listen to contemporary music at all except for some Suzanne Vega and Tracy Chapman, Michelle Shocked. But my generation's alternative music was Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, brit-pop a little later, but I listened to Joni and Dylan and Paul Simon, Joan Baez. Me and some friends wanted to be in the past -- we wanted to sit and smoke pot and listen to Joni and feel part of all that she was singing about---------for years all I knew of Joni was her early work up till Hejira, but especially the first four albums and so the road from Joni to the contemporary independent 'folkunderground' was logical. Because these were the nineties and we were looking for meaning. And meaning was something that had become increasingly difficult to find. In this culture in decline....... where everything -- including music, including religion -- is marketed and commodified and transformed into a package so as no longer to force us to reflect........as a young guy the boundaries of what we could achieve intellectually, emotionally, culturally were so clear, forced upon us in such a monopolizing way, that even the idea of something else, even the ambition to achieve something beyond the boundaries, disappeared out of the minds of the people. No dreams, no hope, no utopia. The antithesis of that period that so many kids of my generation -- and later generations of teenagers -- idealized and romanticized, the sixties. So, it was no wonder that I was driven into the arms of the likes like Ani Difranco and Dar Williams, was it......? Because they are able to express these feelings for my generation of weird, radical, nonconformist people. One example is the genderbending, sexual diversity politics going on in the present folkscene -- the focus on feminism -- I love it. It made me stop listening to Joni for a while, until I sort of rediscovered Joni through her nineties work, expecially Turbulent Indigo......I love that album. So that's the story of me and Joni. I do have a top six/seven of albums, but it changes all the time, which I want to share anyway. Maybe you've done alll this, but I love lists, so please, what is your top five? 1. Hejira 2. Court and spark 3. Blue 4. Ladies of the canyon 5. Turbulent indigo 6. The hissing of summer lawns / Song to a seagull Ok, Paul of the Netherlands - -------------------------------------- Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful ones among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and cast away --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:10:14 -0600 From: Keith Epley Subject: urge for going Fellow Joniphiles, Here in the land of the"flat vowels and the slurred consonants" (Faulkner or RP Warren?), "a frost covered the town" this morning. A few days ago, through the advancements of modern technology (oxymoron?), I finally came across a recording of "Urge for Going." I have followed Joni through her career (at ten I heard her "Big Yellow Taxi" by a group called Neighborhood on, forgive me, Dick Clark's Rate a Record. Hey, it "has a great beat, and you can dance to it." Hairspray). I don't know if I could have made it through my teen years in small town Kentucky (beautiful visually) without her music--Hejira being my favorite from my own personal "Rate A Record." Back to "Urge." I don't think this ever appeared on any of her albums. So, when I heard this the other morning, it "Prousted" me right back to the days of beautiful autumn leaves, walks in the woods when I was supposed to be in school (hearing encomiums about the great new Captain and Tenile record), and listening to other great Joni Mitchell songs: everything from "Pirate of Penance" to "Blue" to "Song for Sharon." (A large portion of Buffy Sainte-Marie thrown in to vent my angst. By the bye, what's in Canada's water that it can turn out so many wonderful singer/songwriters?) Another "by the bye," how surprised was I upon hearing that Joni Mitchell had such a large gay following? While all my gay friends were really into disco during the seventies, I immersed myself in the more poetic singer/songwriters. However, even my disco-loving best friend of 30 plus years said, "I always know that when I come to your [Keith's] house, I am always going to hear great music"--referring to Joni Mitchell. While I may have said this in my first email (this being my second and I will learn the list's requirements fully when I come up from paper grading trench), if Joni had been a classical musician, she would have been a Mahler or Beethoven. If these two greats underwent a musical apotheosis, they would be, if lucky, Joni Mitchell. A final note. A gay acquaintance visiting from Amsterdam a few months back asked for something to commemorate our time together. He took back with him my personal copy of Taming the Tiger. He left me a Norah Jones cd. It's the thought that counts--one of the few times a cliche says it all. Love, peace, and more Joni Mitchell--Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:21:12 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Daniel Lanois & Brian Blade Hi I'm not labeling this njc due to the presence of the "beautiful" Brian Blade live in concert with Daniel Lanois on guitar (producer of U2, Dylan, Eno, Peter Gabriel) and no less than Daryl Johnson on bass (from Miles' last band). I would have gone just for Brian Blade, after missing him with Wayne Shorter this spring. This was the best line up though I don't know who plays on DL's latest CD. A recording is available. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:27:56 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: urge for going Hi Keith, UFG is one of my favorite Joni songs...it was first released as the B-side to "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio", and then got wider release on her "Hits" CD in 1996. It was also included on the pre-release tapes for Blue but didn't make it to the final release. Besides being a beautiful song musically & lyrically, it along with Circle Game was her stepping stone to fame, being recorded and released by Tom Rush & George Hamilton IV. It's one of her more popular covers as well, having been recorded by 40 or so other artists & bands. You can get your week started right by listening to one here: http://66.82.75.68/restless/ I just wish all the Canadian Geese here at work would pack up & leave in chevron flight...it's getting hard to walk from my car to the office without stepping in poo. Bob NP: B-52's, "Vision Of A Kiss" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:40:55 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Pink dress concert in VCD permavine Hi, dears! I've forgotten to tell you I?ve already sent this to: Jamie in London, and Dave in WI(sconsin?). Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: I Heard It Through The Grapevine, Elton John, London 3 nov '77 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:17:44 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Nash story From http://www.lehibou.ca/nash.html "Shortly after, Nash left the Hollies, moved to California and continued his blossoming relationship with Mitchell, who introduced him to her good friend David Crosby. Nash and former Byrds member Crosby hit it off, and stars were born." Interesting story, but wasn't it Nash himself in the WOHAM video who said that Crosby had told Nash to introduce himself to Joni should he run into Joni during his travels, and that Crosby predicted that Nash and Joni would "get it on?" Mia _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:17:52 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue On 10/27/03 7:03 AM, "Paul Mepschen" wrote: Me and some friends > wanted to be in the past -- we wanted to sit and smoke pot and listen to Joni > and feel part of all that she was singing about > > 1. Hejira > 2. Court and spark > 3. Blue > 4. Ladies of the canyon > 5. Turbulent indigo > 6. The hissing of summer lawns / Song to a seagull You must still be in a haze. You forgot For the Roses! Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:25:21 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Nash story Yes, just after I clicked "send", I thought I should have added the disclaimer: "I can't vouch for the accracy of this" Doug mia ortlieb wrote: >> From http://www.lehibou.ca/nash.html > > > "Shortly after, Nash left the Hollies, moved to California and > continued his blossoming relationship with Mitchell, who introduced > him to her good friend David Crosby. Nash and former Byrds member > Crosby hit it off, and stars were born." > > Interesting story, but wasn't it Nash himself in the WOHAM video who > said that Crosby had told Nash to introduce himself to Joni should he > run into Joni during his travels, and that Crosby predicted that Nash > and Joni would "get it on?" > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus > scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:26:44 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue And what about Clouds! Doug Jerry Notaro wrote: >On 10/27/03 7:03 AM, "Paul Mepschen" wrote: > > Me and some friends > > >>wanted to be in the past -- we wanted to sit and smoke pot and listen to Joni >>and feel part of all that she was singing about >> >>1. Hejira >>2. Court and spark >>3. Blue >>4. Ladies of the canyon >>5. Turbulent indigo >>6. The hissing of summer lawns / Song to a seagull >> >> > >You must still be in a haze. You forgot For the Roses! > >Jerry :-) > >. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:48:25 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue no -- sorry, can't say For the Roses is a favorite of mine. I mean, not a top 6 album.........who knows, things change.......... Paul of the Netherlands - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Paul Mepschen" ; "Joni List" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue > On 10/27/03 7:03 AM, "Paul Mepschen" wrote: > > Me and some friends > > wanted to be in the past -- we wanted to sit and smoke pot and listen to Joni > > and feel part of all that she was singing about > > > > 1. Hejira > > 2. Court and spark > > 3. Blue > > 4. Ladies of the canyon > > 5. Turbulent indigo > > 6. The hissing of summer lawns / Song to a seagull > > You must still be in a haze. You forgot For the Roses! > > Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:58:15 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: warm and cold chords Harold. All the best, Lama > mike pritchard asked, >>And does anyone know the name of the 'weird minor chord' mentioned on the Mingus album?>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:52:03 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: this is my intro, and it's long overdue Oh here's my top 6 (at the moment): 1. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns 2. Miles Of Aisles 3. Blue 4. For The Roses 5. Hejira 6. Song To A Seagull NP: Amelia (TLOG) Steve > > So that's the story of me and Joni. I do have a top six/seven of albums, but > it changes all the time, which I want to share anyway. Maybe you've done alll > this, but I love lists, so please, what is your top five? > > 1. Hejira > 2. Court and spark > 3. Blue > 4. Ladies of the canyon > 5. Turbulent indigo > 6. The hissing of summer lawns / Song to a seagull > > Ok, Paul of the Netherlands > > -------------------------------------- > Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / > Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful > ones > among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and > cast away > > --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:05:53 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: [singer-songwriters] Digest Number 1241 Hi, dears! Probably most of you are still receiving this, but I felt of interes to post it to all of you. I've edited the usual repetitons, although :-) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: lunes, 27 de octubre de 2003 18:15 Asunto: [singer-songwriters] Digest Number 1241 > > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Joni, and my Faves > From: "Andrew Perry" > 2. RE: Joni, and my Faves > From: "drbongo" > 3. Re: Joni, and my Faves > From: "Don Henn" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:56:46 +0100 > From: "Andrew Perry" > Subject: Re: Joni, and my Faves > > Hi Andy in the UK here, > Yes, of course - Joni Mitchell is one of the finest singer-songwriters of > the late 20th C. > After a girlfriend made me (once a head-banging heavy blues and R&B drummer) > to see Tom Rush, she introduced me to several singer-songwriters - including > Joni. > Thence JT and many others. > > Latterly, > I went to see David Olney in concert in the UK - even got to dine with him > and a small party prior to the gig. > > I sing his songs, and somehow some years ago, he found out and sent me an > e-mail "thanking me" for singing his songs in the UK. What a gent ! > > If you aren't aware of his work, I strongly recommend it. > > He writes about many biblical and historical events but from an unusual > point of view. > For instance - a bystander - John Dillnger's come-uppance. > Christ entering Jerusalem - from the point of view of the donkey ! > There is also a wonderfully cynical song about same from the POV of a > disciple who reveals himself to be nothing more than a snake oil medicine > show charlatan. > > "Women Across the River" - a very intriguing story line with the format > based on an ancient Japanese poetry form : Two lines about one concept, two > about another and then a final line linking the two thoughts : > e.g. > The women 'cross the river carry water from the well every day > They talk to one another, heaven knows what they may say > After years of dedication, you might get an education > You'll finally get a glimpse of what is right, and what is wrong > But the women 'cross the river - well they knew that all along. > > Whilst I am British, and performing in England, I am very keen on the Texas > singer-songwriter genre - with Guy Clark being my all time favourite, and > Joe Ely, Robert Keen, Butch Hancock, TVZ, and Kimmie Rhodes high on my > playlist. > > I also collect albums by many more from Texas, but don't do their stuff. > > I'm also very impressed by John Gorka and Greg Brown, and indeed almost all > involved with Red House Records of Minnesota (?) > > I saw and met Slaid Cleaves a year or so ago, and whilst I already had his > albums, his very energetic performance only increased my regard. > > Darrell Scott is probably the most expressive and souliest singer-songwriter > I know. > John Prine has a unique way of condensing concepts into three verses and a > chorus. > > Any comments, recommendations ? > > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:09 AM > Subject: [singer-songwriters] anyone like Joni Mitchell or indigo girls?? > > > > I love Joni's older stuff! That rocks! I live in LA and gonna see the > > indigo girls in November, anyone going?? > > > > Bon > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:28:07 -0600 > From: "drbongo" > Subject: RE: Joni, and my Faves > > I saw Joni in Atlanta in a few years ago and she can not only write great > songs but she is a hell of a performer and guitar player. > > > DrBongo > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:04:05 -0000 > From: "Don Henn" > Subject: Re: Joni, and my Faves > > Recommendations ? Joni is one of a very few that I consider to be in > the same league as Patty Griffin. I compare Patty to Joni & Billie > Holiday in what I think her staying power will be for generations to > come. > > Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:06:14 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: saskatoon in oct, re jmdl In a message dated 27/10/2003 20:37:44 GMT Standard Time, twoshoes@sasktel.net writes: > Jacky, > > Do tell how your time in Saskatoon went! > > Kate > Hi Kate, I've been wanting to write ever since returning last Friday but have been just too busy with a big orchestra event I was involved with over the weekend. Anyway, I had a great time in Saskatoon. Owing to the fact that there was a huge mining conference going on, we couldn't get into the Bessborough Hotel which was disappointing but stayed, instead, right next door in the Sheraton with lovely views of the river, the bridges and the Bessborough itself and, naturally, we checked out the Bessborough facililities. We were lucky with the weather - door to door sunshine producing brilliant reflections of the bridges on the water. Such an attractive place and everywhere I went the feeling that Joni's been here or has written a song about that. Our first night we went to John's restaurant - a smart place just round the corner from the hotel. Of course, we asked about Joni and were told that she had eaten there many times, quite recently as part of a large party in to celebrate Graham Nash's daughter's birthday. The food was great and the atmosphere buzzing even though the place was full of miners! The waiter mentioned a couple of other places Joni likes to go, including Winston's English Bar where I could just visualise her shooting pool. Next day I set off on the Joni trail(they seem to call it the Meeswasin trail for some reason) starting with the Mendel, over the University Bridge, back along the river to Cherokee Louise's Broadway Bridge, taking in the Visitor Centre and some other places of interest along the way. I then checked out the shopping area (couldn't really imagine Joni shopping there much) and looked for the bar you mentioned where she takes her cranberry cocktail. Well I found the Ottowa restaurant and right opposite was O'Shea's Irish Bar. Is that it? I wasn't convinced as it certainly didn't look like the kind of place you would get anything so sophisticated as a cocktail in the UK! Later that evening we were taken out to an Indian restaurant called the Taj Mahal on Broadway. After the meal we asked about Joni and I was amazed to be told that Joni never visits Saskatoon without at least one visit to the Taj Mahal. It's run by a delightful couple,Rano and Nito Vasani and I told them I would give them a plug on the JMDL as, in addition to being a Joni haunt, they produce delicious, "healthy heart" curries. Every meal they have ever served in 10 years or more has been cooked by Nitu. If they want to go away they close the place. Anyway, they described JM as a very classy lady who never arrives by cab always on food, very friendly and down to earth, but always having to nip outside to smoke, not surprisingly. They were impressed that she never tries to smoke inside. Various other female stars have also eaten there like Alanis Morisette and Cher apparently. I also made a visit to the lovely University where Joni received an honary award of some kind recently according to the English guy who works in the Belgian chocolate shop. (There was a murder outside his shop the day we arrived!) The Wanuskewin Heritage Park is amazing if you are interested in the native Indians so I'm quite sure she must have spent a bit of time there. We had a good couple of days in Vancouver as well and were very impressed with the friendliness and politeness of everyone everywhere. That's about it really. Great trip. Many thanks for you advice. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:33:44 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Graham on Joni (SJC) Kakki wrote of Graham Nash's comments over the years on Joni: <> His comments to me sound very respectful and loving and I sense he "gets" her amazon talent/gift. And the comments in Crosby's book ("Long Time Gone") are very respectful of Joni and, again, I've heard him say how people don't even understand how talented she is and won't for many years. (Ah, be *we* do!) My one question is what Nash's current wife (Susan I think is her name) must feel like to hear Graham wax on about Joni in concerts and in interview after interview. I guess she married him and came to terms with that in her own way. I don't know that I could ever look at it as anything but being his second choice. Lindsay P.S. We're 5 miles west of the "Cedar Fire" in Scripps Ranch/Poway here in San Diego. We've got things packed just in case but for now we feel like it's slowing down and the winds aren't as strong as they were yesterday. We've just been glued to the TV watching the city/county go up in flames. A devastating situation for so many. The numbers of homes lost/acres burned are staggering and unbelievable. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:33:44 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: urge for going lovely post, keith. i've always felt that a particular aspect of the connection between joni and her gay fans was beautifully described in the fantastic essay by cliff chase, on jonimitchell.com. i'd love for you to go give that a read (it's in three sections). i printed it out and sent it to numerous friends in my early internet days... wally breese, another gay man who loved joni and created the site (and in a lot of ways, this community) wrote, upon receiving chase's essay, "From somewhere out of the blue, Cliff Chase sent me this piece, and I think it's beautifully written and appropriate here on the homepage as an example of just how deeply Joni's music affects so many peoples lives." Trouble Child (Joni Mitchell and the History of My Sadness) http://www.jonimitchell.com/TroubleChildPart1.html and part2 and part3. regarding comparing joni with mahler or beethoven: in my opinion, a false comparison. joni can't orchestrate. she can pick hugely talented sidemen, give them inspiring direction (to shorter, "make it like high heels down the street" for yvette in english) have significant input into the sounds of individual songs, whether with or without collaborators (the soundscapes are part of what make hissing, chalkmark and night ride home such such strong albums for me) but she can't arrange a piece. for paprika plains, she did a piano solo and sent it to the orchestrator. mahler and beethoven could actually write for orchestras. john kelly, the performance artist who has done a couple of shows of all joni songs, made a better comparison of joni to classical music. he compared joni to franz schubert or robert schumann, 19th century masters of lieder (bassically, art songs with piano). lieder is as important and central to classical music as the symphonies and operas, and joni has matched the masters. 'blue' would sound just perfect on a lieder recital. patrick np - schubert, auf den strvm (benita valente) "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >I upon hearing that Joni Mitchell had such a large gay following? >While all my gay friends were really into disco during the seventies, I >immersed myself in the more poetic singer/songwriters. >However, even my disco-loving best friend of 30 plus years said, "I always >know that when I come to your [Keith's] house, I am always going >to hear great >music"--referring to Joni Mitchell. While I may have said this in my first >email (this being my second and I will learn the list's requirements fully >when I come up from paper grading trench), if Joni had been a classical >musician, she would have been a Mahler or Beethoven. If these two greats >underwent a musical apotheosis, they would be, if lucky, Joni Mitchell. A >final note. A gay acquaintance visiting from Amsterdam a few months back >asked for something to commemorate our time together. He took >back with him >my personal copy of Taming the Tiger. He left me a Norah Jones >cd. It's the >thought that counts--one of the few times a cliche says it all. > >Love, peace, and more Joni Mitchell--Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:44:04 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: FW: urge for going lovely post, keith. i've always felt that a particular aspect of the connection between joni and her gay fans was beautifully described in the fantastic essay by cliff chase, on jonimitchell.com. i'd love for you to go give that a read (it's in three sections). i printed it out and sent it to numerous friends in my early internet days... wally breese, another gay man who loved joni and created the site (and in a lot of ways, this community) wrote, upon receiving chase's essay, "From somewhere out of the blue, Cliff Chase sent me this piece, and I think it's beautifully written and appropriate here on the homepage as an example of just how deeply Joni's music affects so many peoples lives." Trouble Child (Joni Mitchell and the History of My Sadness) http://www.jonimitchell.com/TroubleChildPart1.html and part2 and part3. regarding comparing joni with mahler or beethoven: in my opinion, a false comparison. joni can't orchestrate. she can pick hugely talented sidemen, give them inspiring direction (to shorter, "make it like high heels down the street" for yvette in english) have significant input into the sounds of individual songs, whether with or without collaborators (the soundscapes are part of what make hissing, chalkmark and night ride home such such strong albums for me) but she can't arrange a piece. for paprika plains, she did a piano solo and sent it to the orchestrator. mahler and beethoven could actually write for orchestras. john kelly, the performance artist who has done a couple of shows of all joni songs, made a better comparison of joni to classical music. he compared joni to franz schubert or robert schumann, 19th century masters of lieder (basically, art songs with piano). lieder is as important and central to classical music as the symphonies and operas, and joni has matched the masters. 'blue' would sound just perfect on a lieder recital. patrick np - schubert, auf den strvm (benita valente) "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >I upon hearing that Joni Mitchell had such a large gay following? >While all my gay friends were really into disco during the seventies, I >immersed myself in the more poetic singer/songwriters. >However, even my disco-loving best friend of 30 plus years said, "I always >know that when I come to your [Keith's] house, I am always going >to hear great >music"--referring to Joni Mitchell. While I may have said this in my first >email (this being my second and I will learn the list's requirements fully >when I come up from paper grading trench), if Joni had been a classical >musician, she would have been a Mahler or Beethoven. If these two greats >underwent a musical apotheosis, they would be, if lucky, Joni Mitchell. A >final note. A gay acquaintance visiting from Amsterdam a few months back >asked for something to commemorate our time together. He took >back with him >my personal copy of Taming the Tiger. He left me a Norah Jones >cd. It's the >thought that counts--one of the few times a cliche says it all. > >Love, peace, and more Joni Mitchell--Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:44:11 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: Joni, Nash and Crosby On 10/26/03 6:27 AM, dmeek@falls.igs.net wrote > A tiny bit of history: http://www.lehibou.ca/nash.html > Doug And if you go to this page http://www.lehibou.ca/recollect.html you'll see a photo of Joni playing there in '67 (along with several incarnations of Bruce Cockburn's early bands and a baby-like Gordon Lightfoot.) Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:53:59 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: saskatoon in oct, re jmdl Wow Jacky! What a great load of information! Sounds like you had a wonderful time. Thanks for the fantastic report. I thought this bit was very interesting in light of some recent talk here about Graham: >Of course, we asked about Joni and were told that she > had eaten there many times, quite recently as part of a large party in to > celebrate Graham Nash's daughter's birthday. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:12:25 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Graham on Joni (SJC) Hi Lindsay - you wrote: > My one question is what Nash's current wife (Susan I think is her name) > must feel like to hear Graham wax on about Joni in concerts and in > interview after interview. I guess she married him and came to terms with > that in her own way. I don't know that I could ever look at it as anything > but being his second choice. I've wondered the same. I've met her twice - once with him and another time when she stood next to me for awhile at his show in L.A. last year. The first time Nash gushed openly about Joni to me in front of her and she seemed fine about it. She seems like a very sweet and beautiful woman. At one show (can't remember now) I do recall Nash raving all about Susan for a change, calling her the angel of his life and so on. All I can guess is that they have a huge love that encompasses it all. I also recall Joni saying in some interview recently what great friends she is with Nash. (And how cool, as Jacky just reported, that they all spent his daughter's birthday together in Saskatoon recently). I'm also still friends with a few boyfriends (and their wives) from 25-30 years ago. It's like it all happened in another lifetime in a way and as long as everyone gets along and still enjoys each other's company, it works. Some friends are too dear to ever stop being in touch. > P.S. We're 5 miles west of the "Cedar Fire" in Scripps Ranch/Poway here in > San Diego. We've got things packed just in case but for now we feel like > it's slowing down and the winds aren't as strong as they were yesterday. > We've just been glued to the TV watching the city/county go up in flames. > A devastating situation for so many. The numbers of homes lost/acres > burned are staggering and unbelievable. I've been thinking about you and wondering how it is affecting you. In all my life here I have never seen such wildfires (and smoke) of this scope. I have friends who have been evacuated in San Diego, Simi Valley, San Bernardino and Lake Arrowhead (hundreds of miles apart in 3 counties). It is staggering. I hope you and anyone else here affected will be safe and that it will be over soon. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:09:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 28 1998: Joni performed in Detroit. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981028.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainDetroit1098.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:09:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 28 On October 28 the following articles were published: 1998: "Preview of NYC Performance by Bob and Joni" - Time Out New York (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=385 2001: "Joni Mitchell: prime progenitor of pop" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Book) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=734 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:28:13 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: nash Paul, Maybe this will help. In France, they call a revered hero "a national treasure"... Nash speaks from adoration. All the best, Lama Paul said,> what remains is that I think he has a weird view of Joni........as if she is an expensive museum piece. Of course, her fans do that as well, but Nash knows Joni so personally, they shared a bed, they loved eachother......to see him talk about Joni makes me very uncomfortable, for her......> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #336 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)