From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #332 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 332 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Crosby Interview with Joni Content ["kakki" ] Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The 3 Great Stimulants & Nietzsche [Emiliano ] Re: Crosby Interview with Joni Content [Susan Guzzi ] Newsday article, WAS Re: Croz interview re: Joni [Deb Messling ] Joni in Fiction news! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Newsday article, WAS Re: Croz interview re: Joni [Steve Polifka ] RE: The 3 Great Stimulants & Nietzsche ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 [peter stefanides ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] I read a Joni song at a poetry reading ["anon anon" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 ["kakki" ] More Lady of the Canyon ["kakki" ] Re:Woodstock on piano [Bobsart48@aol.com] New Joni Box Set - Improved sound quality [Paul ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 [FMYFL@aol.com] Today in History: October 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: October 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:31:53 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Crosby Interview with Joni Content What's the old saying - something like "behind every superiority complex there lies a huge inferiority complex." I'd rather not see her bitter and rehashing her old grievances over and over for her own sake. But I wonder how hard it might be to listen to if you were a close friend such as (let's assume) Crosby is to her. I've known people who get stuck for years on old grievances and it can be so frustrating and draining at some point to listen to the same old story over and over for years. Her ongoing kvetching really makes no sense to me on many levels but I look at it as an outsider. I see her talent and legendary contributions to art and music and life and just can't figure why she can't be more graceful about it all. But we just don't know what may have happened to her - maybe years ago - that stuck all this in her craw. Sort of along these lines, I had a discussion with a friend tonight about how certain people we have met through our lives have had profound influences on us. Influences and inspirations that changed the course of our lives in a positive direction and in a way that even the best of parents, friends and family could never bring to us. After I'd named off some of those people who had helped change the direction in my life I also remembered they were also very flawed themselves in many ways. Maybe that's the way it is with Joni. I think it is safe to say she has had a profound influence on most if not all of us here. I know she has helped me through many stages in my own life and has always been an inspiration. But - she has her human flaws just like anyone else. Ultimately her flaws take nothing away from what she has brought to me in my life. I can only hope she will someday be able to resolve and get beyond her own baggage - a process all of us probably deal with on an ongoing basis to some extent, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:10:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing haha! & there's a blue bedspread too! & some with patterns of filigree on leaf & vine (another never ending thread i think) >But of course! The patterns are printed on Both Sides Now & the fabric is flame-retardant so you can smoke in bed! :~)< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:14:23 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: The 3 Great Stimulants & Nietzsche Hi, Bob! Many many thanks for that information! I must admit that amongst the eight Nietzsche books I got (and I've carefully read) isn't "The Case of Wagner" (a 48 pages pamphlet, as is called by Jose' Mari'a Valverde). Anyway, it's great to relate "The Three Great Stimulants", a song I'm truly fond of, with Nietzsche, an author who is still very modern, very appropiate for these days we're living. If I understand well the quotation, "his art" is referring to Richard Wagner's, isn't it? Keep on sharing your thoughts, brother! and Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Wonderful Remark, Van, Dublin, 17-12-95 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: miircoles, 22 de octubre de 2003 17:33 Asunto: The 3 Great Stimulants & Nietzsche > Well, the Geffen box set did give me one tidbit of info. I thought the > Three Great Stimulants was lyrically original to Joni, but it was actually > lifted from Nietzsche. In his 1895 "The Case Of Wagner" he writes: > > All that the world most > needs today is combined > in the most seductive > way in his art-the > three great stimulants > of exhausted people : > brutality, > artificiality, and > innocence... > > Bob > > NP: Tori, "Sweet" live > 1996 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Crosby Interview with Joni Content Well I too feel Joni has much more to revel in then to complain about, she is totally respected by her peers. She needs to accentuate that positive more so - in my opinion - that is the highest form of praise. And she is not changing anyones opinion with her rants. I should talk, I know its hard to change or not be who you are but she knows her greatness and talents ... her peers do as well and she has us a loyal fan base that has contributed to her personal comfort level. Yes she is an artist and poet who like so many before will be loooked upon for years and will be reeborn many times after the are gone and given their place in the sun. I think it would be nice if she appreciated those who do support and love her more ... pull together rather than pull apart. Much like I think Rickie Lee does and other artists. I hope she finds peace - yes I know a its word I throw around alot but it has so many meanings on so many levels. Her complaints are valid - no doubt but they are falling on deaf ears while we here celebrate her and her peers do as well. Lets show the world what we as artist and star and colllegues have found and share. All of her kudos have come from this base - she should use it more in more positive ways. To have influenced so many so deeply is and should be warming to her and affirming. I wish she felt that more or got in touch with that phenomenom. I truly wish her all that she deserves - but recognize what you got or it may be gone - hmmmm? So .. Joni and all ... once and again ... Peace, Susan kakki wrote: What's the old saying - something like "behind every superiority complex there lies a huge inferiority complex." I'd rather not see her bitter and rehashing her old grievances over and over for her own sake. But I wonder how hard it might be to listen to if you were a close friend such as (let's assume) Crosby is to her. I've known people who get stuck for years on old grievances and it can be so frustrating and draining at some point to listen to the same old story over and over for years. The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:14:37 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Croz interview re: Joni DC: Well, she knows just how I feel, so it's no secret. She carries around so much anger and bitterness, and stuff, baggage that is so unnecessary, and she shows so little gratitude for being given the gift that she's been given. She treats it like it was her just desserts or something, you know, and it's b all I can say is if that had been me, I would have been very, very grateful and tried to be nice to everybody. And, she's very angry and bitter and feels underappreciated, and she'll tell you about it for hours. And, I think that's graceless of her, you know. I wrote it all down in a song which I can't print.(laughter) I wrote a really good song about Joni, which I can't print anywhere." About the Crosby comment - as unsettling as it is to feel the truth slapped in your face, this kind of comment is really a starting point for the stuff of good biographies. I also find it interesting that this remark didn't make it into WOHAM or the Karen O'Brien so-called biography. Here we start to get into the deeper dimensions of Joni, the person, warts and all. If the purpose of art is the resolution of conflict on some level, it seems reasonable to assume that wrestling with that conflict or excess baggage can be the source of much creativity.So maybe we should be grateful for some of the bagage. There is no light without shadows. That's my take on this. I am very curious to hear that Crosby song about Joni, though! Coincidence, the link Les just posted called A Darker Shade of Blue (1994) that also makes reference to Joni's excess baggage. Strange echoes... http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=226 Here's hoping she learns to lighten that heavy load. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:51:24 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Newsday article, WAS Re: Croz interview re: Joni Have people read this article? An abridged version went out over one of the wires, but I've never seen the whole thing. An glaring error appears somewhere in the piece; who can find it? At 08:14 AM 10/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Coincidence, the link Les just posted called A Darker Shade of Blue (1994) >that also makes reference to Joni's excess baggage. Strange echoes... >http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=226 >Here's hoping she learns to lighten that heavy load. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:02:23 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Me and My Uncle That's a helluva story Doug, nice find! I wasn't sure if the "John Phillips" was the Mama & Papas one or another one so thanks for the clarification. It sounded like an older song to me. Bob NP: Tori, "'97 Bonnie & Clyde" (the easiest way to "six degrees" Joni to Eminem as Tori covers both!) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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CC "The virtue of your style inscribed on your contempt for mine." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:21:25 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Joni in Fiction news! Hey Murph, Amazon.com is introducing a new search technique today...they now have the ability to search the ENTIRE text of the book! For instance, I notice that you have "Fight Club" in the film section, because the shoot script references Joni, but according to Amazon, the book references it too, and it even gives you the page # and excerpt! There may be some new finds there for you too...I see a book called "Violets Are Blue" from 9/02 that I didn't see in your fiction section, and there are 388 in all! Probably most are non-fiction, but still, looks like you need to get to work! :o) Not that I expect you to come up with 1300+, mind you... 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Strange echoes... >>http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=226 >>Here's hoping she learns to lighten that heavy load. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net >---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:55:33 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni in Fiction news! Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >...I see a book called >"Violets Are Blue" from 9/02 that I didn't see in your fiction section, > I've been meaning to send that one in. A friend gave me the book because of the Joni content.. The book sucks IMHO. It's a lame, gruesome crime story. I only read it to find the JC, which was miniscule. Phyliss, back on list! Hi All! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:01:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The 3 Great Stimulants & Nietzsche can you believe that the only nietzsche book i kept is the pamphlet and i never noticed this reference? like everybody else, i read nietzsche in highschool (it was mandatory reading for the high school philosophy course) and i hated it when he became so anti-wagner so i left his books behind when i moved out. i kept this one because i always had to "defend" my love for wagner's music (NOT wagner the man!!!) and i needed to quote something or other all the time. we got together in cafes for all night bull sessions in those years. now everything closes at 2 am lest you should be kidnapped and later murdered and little pieces of your body get strewn around the whole city. times change. wally, np: sade, "when am i gonna make a living" > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Emiliano > Enviado el: Jueves, 23 de Octubre de 2003 08:14 a.m. > Para: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: The 3 Great Stimulants & Nietzsche > > > Hi, Bob! > > Many many thanks for that information! > I must admit that amongst the eight Nietzsche books I got (and I've > carefully read) isn't "The Case of Wagner" (a 48 pages pamphlet, as is > called by Jose' Mari'a Valverde). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:13:07 -0400 From: Subject: "A Woman" By Any Other Name With apologies to the Bard, I'm wondering... Did everyone already knew that the DVD known as something like "Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart And Mind" in Canada and the USA is called "Joni Mitchell A Life Story" in the UK? A region 2 DVD by that name is on auction now at ebay. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: peter stefanides Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 subject: screw david crosby, i met that loser while i was in dublin. saw him walking down the street by himself. went up to him and tried to say hi, but he was not gracious at all. If there is any one who is ungrateful, it is crosby, not joni. Crosby should thank his lucky stars for getting a damn liver transplant after he boozed it away. The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:35:01 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 I'm with you, Peter. I've heard this about David too many times for it not to be true. And of all the times Joni has been approached by many on this list it has always been graciously. Jerry Quoting peter stefanides : > subject: screw david crosby, > > i met that loser while i was in dublin. saw him walking > down the street by himself. went up to him and tried to say hi, but he > was not gracious at all. If there is any one who is ungrateful, it is > crosby, not joni. Crosby should thank his lucky stars for getting a > damn liver transplant after he boozed it away. > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:20:07 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: I read a Joni song at a poetry reading I wandered into a poetry reading at my local library.At first I thought I'd just listen to the poems.Then I decided to read a song of Joni's.The poetry reading was for teenagers,but adults were allowed to read as well.Before I read the song,I explained that I was going to read a song,not a poem, by Joni Mitchell,but Joni was considered by many to be a poet like Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen.I always like the opportunitty to introduce people to Joni.It probably won't work beause this was a poetry reading by and for teenagers who probably never heard the name "Joni Mitchell"(how sad!),but there's always a small chance at least one teen will look into Joni's work.It can't hurt at any rate...Does anyone want to guess the song I read?I'll give you a hint.Joni thinks the lyrics were divinely inspired... _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:23:46 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 LOL! As much as I enjoy him for his voice, music, the character he is and for beating the odds and being a survivor, I also think he has a HUGE ego and can be very arrogant. And you are right - Joni is far more naturally friendly and gracious to her "fans" when they meet up. Nash is just as sweet, for the record. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:53:57 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: More Lady of the Canyon I got my November L.A. magazine yesterday and the issue is all about the "timeless greats" of "classic L.A." On page 111 there is a tribute to the Canyons of L.A. complete with one of the most beautiful photos (by Henry Diltz) of Joni looking out her Laurel Canyon window circa 1969. Here is the article: "Ah, Wilderness - Dumps, dropouts and D-girls- the canyon shelters them all" by Dave Gardetta "Sepulveda and Cahuenga, Benedict and Laurel, Coldwater and Beverly Glen - is there another major city splayed out around a series of canyons such as our own? Both beautiful and dark, places to retreat to or come to no good end, our canyons sit geographically where L.A.'s downtown should glow. That bait and switch - wilderness for urban core - turns the city inside out. In those dozen or so chasms all our best and worst fantasies are drawn. The street names famous for mass murder are there: Wonderland and John Holmes and cocaine; Cielo (Spanish for "heaven") and Manson and Sharon Tate. The hippies and their balladeer, Joni Mitchell, disappeared into them and can still be found in places like Topanga, taking along the belief that L.A. is a rural precinct. All the city's wildlife ventures out to be caught, shot, run over. Our McMansions are found there in gross, and so are the last of our country stores. We hike along the bottomlands and bury our mounting refuse inside our canyons until they exist no more and are - as with the aptly misnamed Scholl Canyon - blanketed with sod and drilled with 18 shallow holes. Finally, the major freeways and major traffic jams are found there, because L.A. canyons constrain and allow us passage, emancipate and bond us, uniting our cars, our trash, our dreams, our dead. They are the heart of the city and the hole in the metropolitan fabric." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:04:54 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re:Woodstock on piano I am way behind on my replies, Kate, so this was probably answered before. The songbook arrangement I have is pap. However, one thing is obvious to me from watching the videos of her early performances of Woodstock - she uses only black keys to play the song. So, ignore the songbooks, and just fiddle with the black keys in E flat. Clever girl. bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Subject: New Joni Box Set - Improved sound quality In case any other JMDL'ers are like me and have trouble enduring the sound of 80's and early 90's CD's, you may be as interested as I to know that the new Geffen box set has been re-mastered using 24 bit/ 96 Khz technology. Can't wait to hear them without the accompanying ringing in my ears. Paul Peterson, NYC The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:27:36 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 In a message dated 10/23/2003 8:36:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: I'm with you, Peter. I've heard this about David too many times for it not to be true. And of all the times Joni has been approached by many on this list it has always been graciously. I couldn't agree with you more Peter. I posted about my meeting Crosby back in February, so I won't go there again. He's a great musician, singer, performer, songwriter............but in person I was SOOOOOO disappointed. Joni would never treat a fan like that! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:03:13 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 24 1994: Reprise Records held a "Turbulent Indigo" record release "meet & greet" at the Ruth Bloom Art Gallery in Santa Monica. The invited guests and the press could view more than 30 of Joni's paintings while hearing the new album tracks on the gallery's sound system. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:03:13 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 24 On October 24 the following articles were published: 1980: "Shadows and Light" - BAM (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=563 1998: "Dylan, Mitchell keep the old crowd coming" - Minneapolis Star Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=197 1998: "Legends of the fall" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=378 1998: "Oh what a night! Jimi and Joni Come Together" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=733 1998: "There's no escaping the Sixties time warp" - Ottawa Citizen (Concert Preview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=234 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #332 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)