From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #330 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 22 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 330 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bob 'Gentleman' Muller, Rachel Z, Chaka Khan etc ["Raffaele Malanga" ] song for sharon [ZZScotty@aol.com] Re: Bob 'Gentleman' Muller, Rachel Z, Chaka Khan etc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: question re: Me and My Uncle [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re: Joni in a sitcom ["c Karma" ] Re: me and my uncle, the midnight cowboy [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni in a sitcom [Murphycopy@aol.com] re: me and my uncle [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: Bob 'Gentleman' Muller, Rachel Z, Chaka Khan etc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.co] Re: Bob 'Gentleman' Muller, Rachel Z, Chaka Khan etc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.co] Crosby Interview with Joni Content [Michaelpaz@aol.com] re: me and my uncle [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] me and my uncle, the midnight cowboy [] Re: song for sharon ["amelio747" ] REQ: (Dutch) people willing to trade Joni bootlegs. I have not much to offer but some Jewel bootlegs. [Alex Oudshoor] re: me and my uncle [Deb Messling ] re: me and my uncle [Catherine McKay ] Perma-Vine ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com [Murphycopy@aol.co] Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com ["kakki" ] Re: Crosby Interview with Joni Content [Michael Paz ] Perma-Vine Disc passed along ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Today in History: October 22 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: October 22 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com [Les Irvin Subject: Bob 'Gentleman' Muller, Rachel Z, Chaka Khan etc Thanks to the most gentleman of all - Bob Muller - I had the chance to catch up with some of the covers in the vaults. Rachel Z's entire album 'Moon at the window' is a great jazz take on Joni. I particularly love her rendition of River and BSN. Nothing and no-one can compare to Chaka though... Her Man from Mars is truly a gem, she manages to make the song her own but you can tell how much respect she has for Joni. I love each second of it. I think Joni has written a modern classic with Man from Mars. It's such a beautiful and universal song. I quite like the version David Sanborn has done of it too. What else? I have to mention Keith Jarrett's All I Want. It's so nice hearing such a great musician playing with lots of tenderness that Joni tune. Last but not least, Bonnie Raitt's That Song About the Midway: another great gem. Listen to these songs if you have the chance or if you haven't already. And thanks to Bob again. You know you're the best. Raf (London) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thinking of changing jobs? Click here to search through thousands of vacancies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:47:52 +1000 From: ash Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #525 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMDL Digest" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #525 >Hello there! Could you please send no 524?... I got 523 and now 525 thank you Ash I really look forward to my digests! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:03:23 EDT From: ZZScotty@aol.com Subject: song for sharon Found this letter to the editor on the internet, from Acoustic Guitar magazine, April 1997. I couldn't find it in the library, so I thought I'd pass it on: I was listening the other day to Joni Mitchell's Hejira album, and I was struck by these lines in "Song for Sharon": "I went to Staten Island, Sharon / To buy myself a mandolin / And I saw the long white dress of love / On a store-front mannequin." Now, I've been listening to this album for years, but it just now occurred to me that these lyrics may refer to the Mandolin Brothers store in Staten Island. Is this the case? Did Joni Mitchell go buy a mandolin there sometime in the '70s? What did she buy? Am I crazy for even wondering about this stuff? Elaine Camero Boston, Massachusetts Stan Jay, president of Mandolin Brothers, would like to assure you that you are not crazy, and that he has been asked this question many times over the years. Joni Mitchell did indeed make a trip to his store on Staten Island in 1976, where she bought a Gibson K-4 mandocello, built around 1915. It is a large (guitar-sized) version of the Gibson F-4 mandolin and is tuned C G D A, one octave below a mandola. On the same trip, she also bought a circa 1915 Martin 000-28 herringbone guitar. It was during the ferry ride back to New York City from Staten Island that she began writing "Song for Sharon." - --Bronwen Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:09:27 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob 'Gentleman' Muller, Rachel Z, Chaka Khan etc In a message dated 21/10/2003 09:06:10 GMT Daylight Time, r_malanga@hotmail.com writes: << I think Joni has written a modern classic with Man from Mars. It's such a beautiful and universal song. I quite like the version David Sanborn has done of it too. >> Great to hear from you Raf! And just as I read your email, guess what song is playing on my stereo? Go on, guess! What a lovely coincidence. I've been going through Joni's more recent albums recently, and I'm tending towards the view, for what it's worth, that TTT is the best of them, maybe even my favourite since Mingus, certainly since Dog Eat Dog. Certainly Harlem in Havana and Man From Mars are a terrific opening brace. I must check out Chaka's version - it would certainly have to be pretty spectacular to supplant Kristen Vigard's version in my affections. Azeem in London NP: Lead Balloon (yes, moving swiftly on...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:42:25 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: question re: Me and My Uncle Mia said: Yes indeed...it's funny to note that she tends to visually "sell" the songs that are not hers. On the 2 duets with Oscar Brand she nods, makes eye contact with the camera/audience, and uses expressions that match where the song is lyrically. In Uncle John she pouts when she sings "God bless my uncle, and God rest his soul", and then like you say lights up with the punch line. Yet when she sings her own songs, she seems more introverted, like she's more vulnerable or something. If I'm not imagining this, it's probably typical and normal when we're presenting something that's original as opposed to something that's familiar & not of our own creation...as Joni would say, we "watch for judgement anxiously..." Another thing I love about the performance of "Uncle" is when she bends that string, it just seems atypical for her. The only other time I hear that dramatic a string bending is when she plays "Come to the Sunshine". Is this just my imagination too? Bob NP: The Allman Brothers Band, "Jelly Jelly" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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It went by very quickly and I never saw the episode again (not being a regular fan) so I couldn't verify. CC "Yellow checkers for the kitchen, climbing ivy for the bath." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:50:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: me and my uncle, the midnight cowboy Buckaroo Bob said: "I tried to find the lyrics for Joni's "Midnight Cowboy," a song about Joe Buck, the film's Jon Voight character, although it does not seem to be known whether her song was actually written *for* the movie. (How come no one knows?)" We need to have SOME unknowns, Bob...but like you I love this film and I'm intrigued by the question. I'll see if I can turn over any other rocks for info. btw, the lyrics for the song are here: http://www.jonimitchell.com/MidnightCowboySongUnLyrics.html And besides 'Cool Water' she does 'My Best To You', both Sons Of The Pioneers songs. I'll bet her Dad had a SOTP record that she heard a lot growing up. Bob NP: The Allmans, "Jessica" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:06:14 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in a sitcom ckarma@hotmail.com writes: > I don't know if this qualifies, but does anyone recollect a segment from "Absolutely Fabulous" where Patsy sings bits of "The Hissing of Summer Lawns? This episode is included in Joni in Fiction on the JMDL site. (Transcribed by Hell -- thanks, Hell!) Just go to JMDL.com. click on Joni in FIction, then click on Television and voila! Absolutely Fabulous Joni! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:05:11 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: me and my uncle By changing the gender of the singer, Joni would give this song an interesting twist. There is a line that goes "Indian summer, I took off my shirt." Does she sing that? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:08:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Bob 'Gentleman' Muller, Rachel Z, Chaka Khan etc It is a beautiful song Raf, and is certainly the runaway breakout cover hit from TTT thus far; besides the lovely melody (Sanborn's version is obviously an instrumental) you've got a nice universal lyric of love & loss that complements it so well. Chaka of course fills it with overflowing emotion and the nice jazz instrumentation and keyboard solo puts her recording in the "better than Joni's" as far as I'm concerned. And with high-profile types like Sanborn & Chaka recording it hopefully it will find an even wider audience..."wow, that's a great song, who wrote it? Joni Mitchell? Funny, it don't sound like folk music!" ;~) Speaking of gentlemen, I'm forever in YOUR debt Raffaele for sharing the "Bird That Whistles" CD with me. As you know it's out of print, and I have yet to see it pop up on GEMM or ebay. So if not for you I would still have yet to hear it! Unthinkable & I'd have to surrender my crown! Bob NP: Allman Brothers, "Instrumental Illness" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I remember the night I went to her house with Wayne (Shorter) and heard him play gorgeous melodies on her poems. She was confident and inspiring to me and I left feeling more determined to follow my heart." The result of that inspirational visit is Moon At the Window where Rachel swings through versions of Mitchell classics such as "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Both Sides Now." While she breathes new life into these 2 warhorses, I really appreciate her picking up on some of the 80's stuff like Lakota, Moon At The Window, Ladies Man. Bob NP: Allman Brothers, "Old Friend" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Last month, David, I read a biography on Joni Mitchell, and I had know a little bit about it, but didnbt realize what a tremendous influence youb d had on her, you know, producing her first albumb&.. I read that that was the way that she produced albums for many years to come. But, I saw something on an out-take on the PBS channel the other night that saidb&.. it was you speaking b&.. and it said a hundred years from now Joni may be the only one thatbs remembered. DC: Thatbs almost what I said, what I said was a hundred years from now when they say who was the best singer/song writer of this generation, I think itbll be her. I think itbs a toss up between her and Dylan and I think shebs as good a poet as he is, different, you know, different as chicken and cheese, but b but, I think thatbs good, and way b way more interesting to me, musically. Now, again, thatbs taste, at that level whobs better b Clapton or Hendrix, you know, come on, itbs oranges and apples. For me, I think shebs the best of us, Ibve always thought that, I thought she was the best song writer I ever encountered. A deeply frustrating human being b to me b in many, many ways. But, talented beyond belief. BP: Frustrating, complex? DC: Well, she knows just how I feel, so itbs no secret. She carries around so much anger and bitterness, and stuff, baggage that is so unnecessary, and she shows so little gratitude for being given the gift that shebs been given. She treats it like it was her just desserts or something, you know, and itbs b all I can say is if that had been me, I would have been very, very grateful and tried to be nice to everybody. And, shebs very angry and bitter and feels underappreciated, and shebll tell you about it for hours. And, I think thatbs graceless of her, you know. I wrote it all down in a song which I canbt print. (laughter) I wrote a really good song about Joni, which I canbt printb&.. anywhere. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:51:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: re: me and my uncle She sings something about a shirt, because she rhymes it with dirt. I don't have access to the cd right now so maybe somebody who does can fill us in. If she does sing about taking off her shirt, no wonder all the young men in the "Let's Sing Out" audience were paying such close attention! ;~) Bob NP: Allmans, "Mountain Jam" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Have you seen the childhood photograph in which she wears a cowgirl suit? And then there's "Cool Water" with Willie Nelson. Her attraction to Georgia O'Keefe comes to mind, too. I am sure we could do a very long thread on Joni's Western/Native American references, etc., >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:28:53 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: song for sharon Thanks, I love reading this kind of stuff! That line always pops in my head at random but annoys me cos I can't really sing/whistle in tune with it unless the records playing! I guess she never perused playing it enough to ever play it on record. Just goes to show how honest her lyrics are! NP: Frog On My Toe - Tori ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: song for sharon > Found this letter to the editor on the internet, from Acoustic Guitar > magazine, April 1997. I couldn't find it in the library, so I thought I'd pass it > on: > > I was listening the other day to Joni Mitchell's Hejira album, and I was > struck by these lines in "Song for Sharon": "I went to Staten Island, Sharon / To > buy myself a mandolin / And I saw the long white dress of love / On a > store-front mannequin." Now, I've been listening to this album for years, but it just > now occurred to me that these lyrics may refer to the Mandolin Brothers store > in Staten Island. Is this the case? Did Joni Mitchell go buy a mandolin there > sometime in the '70s? What did she buy? Am I crazy for even wondering about > this stuff? > Elaine Camero > Boston, Massachusetts > > Stan Jay, president of Mandolin Brothers, would like to assure you that you > are not crazy, and that he has been asked this question many times over the > years. Joni Mitchell did indeed make a trip to his store on Staten Island in > 1976, where she bought a Gibson K-4 mandocello, built around 1915. It is a large > (guitar-sized) version of the Gibson F-4 mandolin and is tuned C G D A, one > octave below a mandola. On the same trip, she also bought a circa 1915 Martin > 000-28 herringbone guitar. It was during the ferry ride back to New York City > from Staten Island that she began writing "Song for Sharon." > --Bronwen Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:47:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Alex Oudshoorn Subject: REQ: (Dutch) people willing to trade Joni bootlegs. I have not much to offer but some Jewel bootlegs. Hi, Since I'm pretty new to most of Joni Mitchell's songs, I don't have much non-official material at all. I do have the 1970 BBC performance on a SVCD. I also saw the JM Woman of Heart and Mind documentary, which was great. I was wondering if any of this material is available in in its entirety (uncut) through tading ways. I also have got a 1970 Joni & James Taylor concert in MP3 files. I have been trading Jewel tapes a few years ago. So I have some of that to offer in return, if one is interested. Most of it I saved to cd. Anyway I got my first Jewel tapes for free, which was nice. Trading through internet(mpg/mp3) or real mail(tapes/cd's) is okay with me. Regards, Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:01:28 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: re: me and my uncle She does sing the line about taking off her shirt. Unless I'm hearing wrong, she calls herself "Denver Gal" in the song, though. Are gals allowed to take their shirts off? At 11:05 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >By changing the gender of the singer, Joni would give this song an >interesting twist. > >There is a line that goes "Indian summer, I took off my shirt." Does she >sing that? > >Bruce - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:38:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: me and my uncle --- Deb Messling wrote: > She does sing the line about taking off her shirt. > Unless I'm hearing > wrong, she calls herself "Denver Gal" in the song, > though. Are gals > allowed to take their shirts off? Apparently not. Which makes taking a shower difficult. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:43:25 -0400 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Perma-Vine Sorry for the delay, but I have been attempting to post from my new e-mail address and the posts have not appeared. Anyone know why? Does the list reject mail from Yahoo? Anyway, the disc is ready to be sent along to the next burner and burner-less persons. Please contact me by e-mail at ppeter4@yahoo.com. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:46:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com Stephen writes: << While perusing the women's dept., I came across a label of knitwear, tees and the like, named "Ladies of the Canyon"!!! >> I was curious enough to do an online search for these clothes, although I am sure they're not the sort of gitcha gitcha yaya hee-yah stuff Paz likes me to wear. Anyway, I found this site: http://www.ladiesofthecanyon.com Here's something I cut and pasted from the site, apparently about a book by Marjorie Muro -- whoever she is -- that's for sale there: This is the true story of women musicians and artists living in a canyon in Southern California during the 1960bs and 70bs when everything was about love and music. Human interest sagas begin when these cabins become occupied by hippies in the 1960bs and 70bs. The central characters are five women (click here to see a picture of them) musicians and artists who tell about their travels with their music around the world, their love lives and difficulties raising children in this era. There are many unusual characters such as "Rattlesnake Buck", "Davebs Not Here" and "Canyon Annie" who are all real people with real stories to tell, some humorous and some heartbreaking, all true. But even more, these stories were shared as a tribute to women everywhere who make the daily sacrificess all women make to ensure the continuance of the human race. To make life on this earth more than simple survival requires all humanity, but especially women, to consider those things that will make everyone's existence filled with grace--and to be pleasurable and meaningful. To accomplish this often requires that we put others before ourselves. Does it mean that we will never have anything we want in this life? Do we have to wait to get to heaven to get our reward? The women in this book, the ladies of the canyon, believe in happy endings, even if there is sorrow along the way. They believe that it is the sorrow and hard work that make the pleasures in life precious. What is their final message to you? "We can promise you from our experiences that your reward will not be in jewelry, real estate, or money in the bank. It will be in the peaceful sleep that comes with knowing you have done the best you can for yourself and those you love." That's all, --Bob, now wondering if there's a songforaseagull.com site, or dogeatdog.com . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:58:02 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com In a message dated 10/21/2003 7:47:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: Bob, now wondering if there's a songforaseagull.com site, or dogeatdog.com . . . Well, you just had to make me look Bob. There's no songforaseagull.com, but there is a dogeatdog.com...........it's some punk band (i think), plus there's a blue.com, but I think it's just a bunch of smurf dolls :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:46:50 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com Wow, thanks Bob, what a fantastic find! It's so funny - I've always wondered if there was a book like this out there somewhere - telling the real stories beyond all the legend of the Canyon. And to get to know a little about the real Annie and other Ladies, too! I look forward to reading it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:32:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com bob!!! this is such a great find! i take back what i said about mr. yazejian. and they mention "annie", my favorite canyon lady! love you!!! wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Murphycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Martes, 21 de Octubre de 2003 08:47 p.m. > Para: frasere@intergate.ca; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com > Anyway, I found this site: > > http://www.ladiesofthecanyon.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:43:31 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Crosby Interview with Joni Content Paz sez Crosby said: << She carries around so much anger and bitterness, and stuff, baggage that is so unnecessary, and she shows so little gratitude for being given the gift that she's been given. She treats it like it was her just desserts or something, you know <> And, she's very angry and bitter and feels underappreciated, and she'll tell you about it for hours. >> Hmm, I was joking last year when I suggested that we get Joni an anger management course for her birthday. Now I wonder. But then again, the "she'll tell you about it for hours" part sounds a bit embellished -- to me anyway. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it aint sooo ... not a dogeatdog.com!!!!! STOP the INSANITY!!!!! I may have nightmares about this. Peace, Susan (returning from lurkdom and a living hell) Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: - --Bob, now wondering if there's a songforaseagull.com site, or dogeatdog.com . . . The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:08:19 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: lakota Which I would like to add my comment that if it hadn't have been for the song or the video that obviously makes money for a lot of people other than the Lakota, I would not have a clue who the Lakota are. I don't even think Joni in ALL her wisdom knows the whole story or understands it herself, but what ever she did get inspired her to write and express her feelings about the matter. I understand the Native American (if I can use that term without offending anyone) (not just the Lakota) issues of history, and I feel terrible about their plight and circumstance. None of us has the power to change what our forefathers did on both sides of the story (and there are always at least two sides). I firmly believe that Joni had no intention of being disrespectful, or to take advantage of their situation or profiting from it other than to tell a story which is what being a songwriter is all about. This thread has been eating at me (obviously) since I was inclined to post on a topic I would normally delete because of the time issue or because I felt I had nothing really significant to offer on it (being that I don't know the whole story either). I really would rather enjoy the little parts of life that I am blessed with that are wonderful and try to heal the needy and the sick and change the past thru a positive change for the future. I hope this makes sense to someone other than me cause I am in a weird place myself this evening and I mean no disrespect to anyone or anything. I only wish we could bury the dead and learn from the past and move on. If this means we have to condemn songwriters and storytellers for their efforts to make these issues more accessible to the masses than I need to get off this list as well as many others. With this being said I feel the same way about allowing people like Eminem to express his views in his own fashion as well cause to tell you the truth I fought him from the beginning cause I didn't understand (appreciate) the vehicle, but I am starting to and it is even sounding better now that I get it a bit more. Sorry I am so weird tonight. Love Paz > Lama asked: > >> Kakki, what you describe sounds like the "Lakota" video on the COME IN > FROM >> THE COLD, long-form, video. Slo-mo shots of children, right? This video >> (c) 1991 runs about 45 minutes. > > That is the one. I must have the short-form version of the video because I > don't remember seeing it before until at Paz's house. (Funny she released > it with NRH instead of when Chalkmark came out.) Do you have any liner > notes about it from the video? I would like to hear more about it. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:10:49 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Crosby Interview with Joni Content Funny that9s the part that really made me laugh caude I know no one can present a case better than our Joan. I relish the truth of this statement by Croz and mourn the reality of it because I agree with her (most of the time) on the (what Croz calls) baggage. Best Paz > Paz sez Crosby said: > > << She carries around so much anger and bitterness, and stuff, baggage that > is so unnecessary, and she shows so little gratitude for being given the gift > that she's been given. She treats it like it was her just desserts or > something, you know <> And, she's very angry and bitter and feels > underappreciated, and she'll tell you about it for hours. >> > > Hmm, I was joking last year when I suggested that we get Joni an anger > management course for her birthday. Now I wonder. But then again, the "she'll > tell > you about it for hours" part sounds a bit embellished -- to me anyway. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:03:49 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Paz, you da man! Hello all, My husband and I spent a luscious, long weekend in N'awlins.There's a Latin man who lives in the bayou who does not know a stranger. Michael Paz met up with us and offered us his special brand of hospitality. We were whisked off and directed to delectable dining spots, as well as serenaded with Joni Mitchell tunes. He and his lovely wife sang a heartfelt Chinese Cafe duet at their gleaming baby grand. Next came the magic Parker VG8 that made me believe Joni 's fingers and spirit had been transported to that space and time. It was glorious. Throughout this whole exchange my Doubting Daniel of a husband actually showed a flicker of appreciation for Joni and her alternate tunings. In fact, he was so impressed and inspired by musically adept Paz' generous spirit and his devotion to Joni, I think he may attempt a few of her songs on his guitar or piano. Thanks, Paz, you 'da man! God Bless. Janine NP: World Turning- Lindsey Buckingham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:39:18 -0400 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Perma-Vine Disc passed along My perma vine disc of Joni's 1969 concert has been passed along to Doug Meek of Ontario Canada. I have one copy to send to a burnerless JMDL'er. Contact me at ppeter4@yahoo.com Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:13:01 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 22 1988: Joni performed a short set in San Remo, Italy. Mauro Regis writes "This was the second (and last) Joni's appearance in Italy after 1983 tour. She was prized with the Premio Tenco, and performed a solo set of about thirty minutes. She was cold and throat ill, but played an incredible set, with one of the early (or maybe the first) live performance of "Night Ride home", and a building up "Passion Play" with no words." - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:13:01 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 22 On October 22 the following articles were published: 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Seattle Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=369 2001: "Wonder, Joy and Magic" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Appearance) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=689 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:39:42 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com At 10/21/2003 05:46 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >now wondering if there's a songforaseagull.com site, or >dogeatdog.com . . . There is actually a www.siquomb.com :-) Les NP: Jerry Garcia and the Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers, 6/11/1962 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #330 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)