From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #328 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 328 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #522 - Anders film [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! ["Kate Bennett" ] article on "blue" in october uncut ["ron" ] Re: article on "blue" in october uncut [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedi] Today's Library Links: October 20 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:19:27 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #522 - Anders film 'BLUE MOVIE After setting her past three feature films in a musical milieu, Allison Anders (Gas Food Lodging) is making a documentary about - surprise- a musician: Joni Mitchell. So does anybody know the scoop on that film? Isn't it finished, is it going to be released? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:45:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! iron eyes cody sounds like he was a good man & did a lot for his people...here is a website about him: http://www.ironeyescody.com/... i found out he was cree-cherokee... on the lakota site (http://www.elexion.com/lakota/rites/index2.html) which i posted a piece from already it says this: "When something is sacred, it does not have a price. I don't care if it is white people talking about heaven or Indian people talking about ceremonies. If you can buy it, it isn't sacred. And once you start to sell it, it doesn't matter whether your reasons are good or not. You are taking what is sacred and making it ordinary." the above is what they mean (in part) by exploitation...they go on to describe all manner of ways they feel our modern culture has exploited their spirituality... i have no doubts that joni had the best of intentions when she wrote her song lakota & personally i don't think joni is exploiting the people (by that i mean borrowing their words or ideas & using them for commercial purposes) by writing a song from their point of view but i honestly have met people who might see it differently... please don't shoot the messenger... in my own experience, throughout the years i have met many people from hopi, lakota, navaho & chumash tribes...they are all very different in their views (even within the same nation) & some are more accepting of 'white people' learning their songs, dances & ceremonies than others are...i have been at weddings & celebrations & have danced many times to their singing & drumming....i studied native american spirituality with a woman who was an elder (i think navajo) but who was also a university teacher with a phd (quite unusual)... of native spirituality...some of my friends have spent years studying & working on reservations with friends of native american heritge...what i have learned is there are things & places where some (not all) native americans are very very sensitive & adamant about concerning their beliefs...& that they are not for entertainment or commercial purposes especially if it is the white race doing so... when i wrote wolfsong it was from a very deep place & it was also directly inspired by native american spirituality (to which i have been drawn like iron to magnet for as long as i can remember...from very young childhood)....way before it was ever a 'new age' kind of thing...(i even asked my mom once if i might have native blood somehow back there & she said no...lol) anyway there have been times & places where i have had to question whether or not i should sing this song because i might offend someone who was a native american for the reasons i have explained...so far no one has said anything negative though i wonder if they would say something if they thought it wrong, dunno....(although last month i was approached by a chumash brother who asked if i'd like to play at a concert he was putting together of both native american & other people to help them buy some land to start a college of native american studies...) anyway it was with all of this experience in mind that i offered my question about joni's song... >Reposting so it's clear to all that Joni Mitchell was not exploiting the Lakota nation... Lama< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:10:45 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: short sharp socked reissue - slight joni mention hi from the notes to michelle shocked's reissue of short sharp shocked: "I was in Norway, doing a record when I got a call that on my way back I should stop off in London and see this girl, who was causing quite a stir in England, called the Texas Campfire Tapes. Mercury was interested in doing a record with her, so they wanted me to stop off and see her. I went to this theatre in London, witnessing something I thought was quite amazing. Here was this young girl, probably 22, 23 years old at the time, in this small play house. It had three stage sets for her performance. She displayed this troubador skill that I hadnt seen sincer I was a teenager. It was somewhat of a lost art that I hadnt seen anyone pick up since watching Joni Mitchell, Tom Rush, Dave van Ronk, and spider John Koerner, folk performers I grew up listening to and seeing come up in Detroit................................Im very proud of it. Its the best record ive ever made. I hope you enjoy the reissue of Short Sharp shocked"" Pete Anderson - Producer of Short Sharp Shocked The Rolling Stones Reviewer called it bliss......... a +/- 40 minute album released with 80 minutes of wonderful bonus material - now that works for me ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:14:10 +0200 (CEST) From: dean2302@fsmail.net Subject: Re: Early Gems Wow! I didn't realise there were so many. Fo someone like me who has so little of her early work a 2CD compilation would be a Godsend. Thanks Bob. Message date : Oct 18 2003, 01:59 PM From : SCJoniGuy@aol.com To : dean2302@fsmail.net, joni@smoe.org Copy to : Subject : Re: Early Gems There's a mess of 'em, Kevin. I'm working on re-consolidating them onto 2 cd's...here's some titles: 1. Play Little David, Play 2. The Wizard Of Is 3. The Gift Of The Magi 4. The Way It Is 5. Day After Day 6. Dr. Junk 7. Brandy Eyes 8. Mr. Blue 9. Eastern Rain 10. Born To Take The Highway 11. Carnival In Kenora 12. Winter Lady 13. Just Like Me 14. Blue On Blue 15. Sugar Mountain 16. Come To The Sunshine 17. The London Bridge Song 18. Ballerina Valerie 1. Go Tell The Drummer Man 2. A Melody In Your Name 3. Looking Out For Love 4. Hunter 5. Get Together 6. Mr. Tambourine Man 7. I Still Miss Someone (w/Johnny Cash) 8. Yarrow 9. The Dolphin Song (w/Fred Neill) 10. The Long Black Veil (w/Johnny Cash) 11. Girl From The North Country (w/Johnny Cash) 12. Heard It Through The Grapevine 13. Itb€™s All Over Now, Baby Blue 14. Favorite Colour 15. Blow Away The Morning Dew 16. Me & My Uncle Maybe I'll do it this weekend, except for it's such a beautiful day here, even raking leaves will be pleasurable! Bob NP: Rachel Z Trio, "Ladies Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:09:54 +0000 From: fauchja@comcast.net Subject: Re: short sharp socked reissue - slight joni mention me too. it is wonderful - -- GUITAR GUY EXTRAORDINAIRE > hi > > from the notes to michelle shocked's reissue of short sharp shocked: > > "I was in Norway, doing a record when I got a call that on my way back I > should stop off in London and see this girl, who was causing quite a stir in > England, called the Texas Campfire Tapes. Mercury was interested in doing a > record with her, so they wanted me to stop off and see her. I went to this > theatre in London, witnessing something I thought was quite amazing. Here was > this young girl, probably 22, 23 years old at the time, in this small play > house. It had three stage sets for her performance. She displayed this > troubador skill that I hadnt seen sincer I was a teenager. It was somewhat of > a lost art that I hadnt seen anyone pick up since watching Joni Mitchell, Tom > Rush, Dave van Ronk, and spider John Koerner, folk performers I grew up > listening to and seeing come up in Detroit................................Im > very proud of it. Its the best record ive ever made. I hope you enjoy the > reissue of Short Sharp shocked"" > > Pete Anderson - Producer of Short Sharp Shocked > > > The Rolling Stones Reviewer called it bliss......... > > a +/- 40 minute album released with 80 minutes of wonderful bonus material - > now that works for me > > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:10:08 +1000 From: ash Subject: Joni on OZ TV > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:55:27 +1000 > From: "Don Whiteman" > Subject: Re: Joni on Tasmanian TV > > Hey Ash, > > I will get someone in my house to tape it in case it isn't. I will be in > western NSW working. > My 15 yr old daughter, who is a Joni fan bought Woman of Heart and Mind for > my birthday last Friday. It is very cool. > I am taking her to see Neil Young on Nov 21 in Sydney. This will be her > first Neil concert, my 6th. Can't wait. > > Don in Sydney > Dear Don Happy belated birthday wishes.. I have 2 video recorders set up! but as ever at this time of the year...we have the wild weather and that effects the television transmitters here! i.e. all you get is a blue screen with NO sound. The weather never effects the commercial TV stations broadcasts! so by next week..I will be constantly checking weather reports for the Friday! Ash ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:35:55 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: article on "blue" in october uncut hi just picked up the october edition of uncut. this months all time classic album is - obviously - blue. quite an interesting article - would it be worth my time to transcribe & post?? they also have a review of emmylou's latest - its rated 5 star and proclaimed as album of the month!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:07:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: article on "blue" in october uncut "quite an interesting article - would it be worth my time to transcribe & post??" - ------------------------------------------------------------- That's a question that only you can answer, roomie, but I CAN assure you that I'll read it and appreciate the effort, and Les can add it to his article database! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:07:21 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! Kate, Okay, NOW I see what you're saying. Here's my idea of exploitation. There's sacred and then there's secular. Joni did not take a sacred Lakota song and add words to it. That would have been sacriligous and exploitative. As if writing a news story, she wrote of their plight. That's secular. If you write a song about a man building a house and he happens to be Catholic, it's not automatically exploitation. It's not offensive; it's okay cause it's a secular song about a person who also has a religous dimension. The religous is not a component of the song. If I someone Handel's Messiah and grafted on a bawdy lyric, that would be exploitation of a (somewhat) sacred work, in my opinion. Maybe some Lakota want others to never speak of the tribe, never describe their struggle, never try to help them, lest they be accused of exploitation. I think it's possible just as there are some extremists among Baptists, Muslims, and Protestants. "You're acting like TOURISTS, man!!" Lama > From: Kate Bennett [mailto:kate@katebennett.com] > on the lakota site > (http://www.elexion.com/lakota/rites/index2.html) which i > posted a piece from already it says this: > > "When something is sacred, it does not have a price. I don't care if it is > white people talking about heaven or Indian people talking about > ceremonies. > If you can buy it, it isn't sacred. And once you start to sell it, it > doesn't matter whether your reasons are good or not. You are > taking what is > sacred and making it ordinary." > > the above is what they mean (in part) by exploitation...they go on to > describe all manner of ways they feel our modern culture has > exploited their > spirituality... > > i have no doubts that joni had the best of intentions when she wrote her > song lakota & personally i don't think joni is exploiting the people (by > that i mean borrowing their words or ideas & using them for commercial > purposes) by writing a song from their point of view but i > honestly have met > people who might see it differently... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:27:41 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 20 On October 20 the following articles were published: 2001: "Atwood, Mitchell on Walk of Fame" - Toronto Star (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=687 2001: "Rodin Thinkers to the Rom: We think not, thank you" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=686 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #328 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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