From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #310 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 310 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge [BRIANASYMES@aol] Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge [David Sadow] Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! ["Susan E McNamara] Re: Alt Joni draft 2 (ignore if you're not following the thesaurus project) [AzeemAK@aol] Re: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! [SCJoniGuy@aol] Re: Sundry comments...(Covers) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni duds ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Duds [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] duds ["mack watson-bush" ] re: American Indian song subject ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Girl In The Picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Girl In The Picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Joni duds ["mia ortlieb" ] Dancing Clown ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Joni duds [Murphycopy@aol.com] Moon? [] Re: Dancing Clown [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Sundry comments...(Covers) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [Susan McNamara ] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [Susan McNamara ] Re: last chance lost [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [Susan McNamara ] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] lakota ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Pirates of Penance and No Apologies ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] why do i do this [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] "Lakota", the story behind the song... ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge My grandfather used to drink beer with a raw egg in the glass... looked like pretty horrible stuff to me, I was never sure why he did that... BRIANASYMES@aol.com wrote: >I made it to 50 years 10-02-53. I met a man who told me a story of meeting >Dylan Thomas in an NYC bar drinking whiskey with an Egg in the glass, Dylan >Thomas died in 53 of course. He had another story of hiring Bob Dylan to play in >an NYC club. >My story is of visiting the Check Mate for folk music and getting wired on >Coca Cola >"hey I was a 6'-0" tall skinny white ass teenager" all night and after the >Folk stuff was over Chicago electric blue players "of the Muddy Waters family" >would show up.and they would play till 3 or 4 in the morning. Joni probably >stayed at the club and met these Chicago Cats. Bob Dylan's early "Electric" >recordings do sound so similar to these 60's Chess bands I cannot but recall the >dark smoky electric blues I heard at this club. >Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! Just thought I would report back on the GREAT turnout we had for the open mike. There were so many people signing up to sing that we had to limit to one song a piece. Unfortunately the sound guy never showed so we couldn't record the event but it was very memorable in any case. The first act was a local musician named Joe Gaylord who played (you might want to sit down for this) The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay!!!!! An amazing version with the audience adding wolf howls! Other highlights included a sweet high school student who did a goosebump a cappela version of The Last Time I Saw Richard. Another a cappela group (3 women) performed Carey, which was also right on. The musical talent was pretty high and we had the treat of listening to a number of great versions of You Turn Me On I'm a Radio, Coyote, A Case of You, Cactus Tree, All I Want, and Urge For Going. We had a great mix of men and women play and Chris another local musician played a great version of Silky Veils of Ardor and a guy named Barry played a soft version of Marcie. Gavin played That Song About the Midway. The crowd was stoked with Joniphiles obviously because anytime there was a slight absence of "what's the next line" which always happens with Joni tunes there was somebody right on the money to call out the verse. I played Magdalene Laundries and Patti played a beautiful version of Hejira. My husband Joe played his Only Joni parody song to the tune of "Only the Lonely" [orbison] which was really funny. I'll send the lyrics later so you can check them out. Clearly Ithaca loves Joni Mitchell, so we will probably do an Only Joni Open Mike II sometime in the near future. take care, sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:01:20 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Alt Joni draft 2 (ignore if you're not following the thesaurus project) Hi Michael, I have a feeling that you didn't get any of my emails (which is why I'm sending this to the main list as well), as I replied with a few suggestions about changes and then to let you know my location; there is one correction I would like to make to my "Assist Me"; I missed a word out at the end of each verse, which should read "But not TO the extent that we/you etc" Also, in the intro at the beginning of the whole book, I think "embarked ON" is better than "embarked in." You've done a fantastic job with this! Azeem Ali Khan in London, England NP: David Bowie - Teenage Wildlife PS Please drop me a line to let me know if you get this. Ta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:37:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! Shear Lunacy! All of you! > What Joni duds, I ask you; what? > Dancin' Clown? LCL? NA? GF??? > > I have yet to hear a Joni dud. > > So there. > > (insert evil grin here) > Steve > Finally, someone else who gets it. Bobsart (half-enjoying listening to my friends complaining to each other because one of their personl favorites hit someone else's 'duds' list) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:56:56 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Duds Bob Muller speculated > Bob, wondering if Joni should have issued a "Duds" along with Hits > & Misses? :~) I'll bet I can draw 10 songs from among those already named in the duds category by JMDL'ers and make a really fine album out of it. In fact, I'll make it a project this weekend. Gotta go. Bobsart Question - If Bob Muller made a 10 song list that he felt would make up 'Duds' (the CD), would anyone enjoy listening to it ? I'd take a chance ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:07:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Duds Subject: duds a few joni tunes i don't like but how can anything anyone wrote being considered a dud? to them it was special, to them it was their best at that moment in time. Not only that, they shared it. Not an easy thing to do. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:23:51 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: American Indian song subject Stephen wrote: <> Joni is also part Native American Indian. In an interactive show that she does in Toronto, she explains to the audience that although her songs are not all fictional, they are not all autobiographical either. She uses the example of "Lakota." She sings "I am Lakota," even though she is not a Lakota Sioux. However, Joni admits that she does have Indian blood in her, and this is something that she was taught to deny while growing up. She explains that there was a sort of caste system in Canada, and that everyone who had part Indian blood was taught to deny it. Very sad, if you ask me. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:35:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: duds Subject: re: Joni duds Mark wrote: <<'Snakes and snails and puppy tails are waggin' in the wound/beneath the trampled moon' She really resents the fact that humans have somehow defiled the moon, doesn't she?>> Wow, Mark! Great observation! I never thought of that before. I suppose you are correct. Joni really romanticizes the moon in so many of her lyrics, and now humans have spoiled it. "Willie" may have another clue that proves your statement correct: "He stood looking thru the lace at the face of the CONQUERED moon." And in "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow": "He says,'We walked on the moon, you be polite.'" But the best example may be in Refuge of the Roads: In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball Or a forest or a highway Or me here least of all You couldn't see these cold water restrooms Or this baggage overload Westbound and rolling taking refuge in the roads This passage seems to stress just how insignificant we all are now, when compared with the magnitude of the cosmos. I personally believe in space exploration, it's our destiny....but it really forces humans to examine ourselves from a different perspective. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:46:39 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Dancing Clown I'm not a defender of Dancing Clown although I like it more since I saw the video of Joni dancing in her kitchen with her cat. But I wonder if part of our dislike is because we don't like our Joni silly. The thought being she is too great an artist to waste her talent on a throwaway tune. But can't Joni have fun like everyone else? I would also submit that this is outstanding writing: Down the street comes last word Suzie She's high yellow lookin' top nice You hear the swoosh of jungle blades And the crackle of northern ice We know right away what Suzie looks like, creatively and with a minimum use of words. Very visual. Plus I had never heard "top nice" - I like that description. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:37:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni duds Mia writes: << I never thought of that before. I suppose you are correct. Joni really romanticizes the moon in so many of her lyrics, and now humans have spoiled it. >> I once read an interview in the JMDL archives in which Joni talks about how landing on the moon was the beginning of the end, or something like that. I think she also tied her belief to some Native American prediction about man on the moon. Sorry, but that's all I remember. Maybe someone else knows the interview am talking about. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:45:29 -0400 From: Subject: Moon? On the Dylan album Infidels Dylan sing, "Man has created his doom. First step was touching the moon." This is on License To Kill. Never knew what he meant with that. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:55:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dancing Clown David writes: << But can't Joni have fun like everyone else? >> No, David, she can't. When Joni's having fun, the writing stops and then the new music stops and before we know it, we're all left here tearing apart T'log months after its release while Joni is off frolicking with the grandkids. So no, Joni can't have fun like everyone else. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:02:27 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Sundry comments...(Covers) >Please don't get the idea that it's all MY >labor, however. Just about everyone reading this message has helped me out >in >terms of sending me stuff from their personal collection, buying stuff they >saw >in shops, or given me a heads up about an upcoming release. I'm constantly on the lookout but no success yet? Covers are great for conversation too..and fun! On a recent trip to Niagara Falls I played "covers 44" track one ..Night Ride home sung by Melissa Errico. A very sweet version of the song. My eldest sister who really is not a joni fan but appreciates her... (loves her hits..especially BYT) perked up and said..."Who is that ? Such a pretty song!" I told her who and then I said guess who wrote that. JONI!! I went on to tell her that Joni really has put out a lot of good stuff SINCE BYT. :-) OH...I then played her Joni's version of her own song...she liked it very much. So Bob....thank you...and keep on keeping on!! (I know you will) Bree >Bob > >NP: Eric Day, "It's Nearly Africa" (from someone else's XTC covers project) _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:02:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! sue, this is so great! we should turn all these people on to the list and automatically increase fundraising for the next jonifest. :-) good job, suemac! love, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Susan E > McNamara > Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Octubre de 2003 07:42 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! > > > Just thought I would report back on the GREAT turnout we had for the open > mike. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:09:15 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! I actually had the website address on my Joni Trivia Table Tents, so I wouldn't be surprised if the site got some hits today. (by the way, people LOVED the trivia questions. All night people were coming up to me saying: So who is she talking about in This Flight Tonight, or who is she talking about in Cactus Tree? I know Joni says she hates it when people say stuff like that, but Inquiring Minds Want to Know!!! ) :-) take care, Wally!!! sue At 4:02 PM -0300 10/3/03, Wally Kairuz wrote: >sue, >this is so great! we should turn all these people on to the list and >automatically increase fundraising for the next jonifest. :-) >good job, suemac! >love, >wally > >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Susan E >> McNamara >> Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Octubre de 2003 07:42 a.m. >> Para: joni@smoe.org >> Asunto: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! >> >> >> Just thought I would report back on the GREAT turnout we had for the open >> mike. - -- Susan McNamara Assistant to the Dean of Students Cornell University 401 Willard Straight Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Voice: (607) 255-1115 FAX: (607) 255-8082 E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:12:11 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mitchel "duds" IMO, if one listens from every possible view point that one can image and/or listens more than a million times, there is genious to be found if every note and every word. but , who am i? peace hoops ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:22:14 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: last chance lost Last Chance Lost I have always liked the song . . . you know, it is interesting that so many songs probably conjure up so many different visual images for us all. . . When I hear this song (especially just hearing the Joni sing the words, "last chance lost.," I am imagining: a woman, worn from romance, in a very long, swankie, older model car. . . . (the car is longer than life, accentuated to represent the long goodbye) She's alone, she's leaving. . . but she is traveling almost in slow motion. . . . a l o n g good bye. . . she's giving her lover a long -minute, last chance. . . this woman that I see has a kerchief on and dark glasses. . . like from the 1950's it is a convertable. . . the scene is on a lonely long road, maybe like a desert. . . . reminds me a little of an Edward Hopper scene. a bit remote Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:22:25 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds I'd like to chime in on this thread since I'm still in trivia mode. I almost talked about Last Chance Lost at the Open Mike last night when I was praising TI to the skies. After not touring for a long time (i can't remember how long) Joni opened the Edmonton Folk Festival in 1994 with Last Chance Lost. OK, how bold is that. That song has one of the most discordant tunings in the catalog and the vocal is so challenging, but she waltzes out there and plays it FIRST. The woman has steel ones as far as I'm concerned. And yes I agree, LCL is NOT a dud. take care, sue At 3:00 AM -0400 10/3/03, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:38:50 EDT >From: KJHSF@aol.com >Subject: Last Chance Lost/Joni Duds > >I absolutely love this song. It may be my favorite on TI. I think it is >Joni at her best. The guitar playing is wonderful, her voice, while >husky, has >some real strength to it still, the words are honed down to poetic perfection >and her overlapped harmonies on the brief chorus are what I like best about >Joni's work-the ability she has to nail intricate and difficult musical >intervals, 2nds, 4ths, 9ths, etc. I have to echo the sentiment of >whoever said they >heard this and thought it was a real return to form for Joni. >Ken H - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:27:57 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:23:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: That song has one of the most discordant tunings in the catalog and the vocal is so challenging, but she waltzes out there and plays it FIRST. I am so glad that the open mike was so successful! Wonder if i could get one going here in Columbus? LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in Lindsey. I would KILL to hear a live version of either! Her picking style is so original, so effortless (for her, anyway). Ken np Rufus Wainwright/Oh what a World (sounds like he came through the awfulness of crystal meth addiction with his talent intact and growing.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:32:37 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds I was really quite blown away by how packed this coffee house got by 9:00 pm. Signups started at 7:15 and the list was full by 7:25!!! We actually added four people to the list by asking people to only play one song. At the end it seemed like we would have been ok with the time because we had enough time to do two singalongs (BYT and Circle game). What a blast. I'm still on an emotional high. If you have a local club that does regular open mike nights (as this club did) it might bring in the regulars plus some new joni fans. Try it!!! Sue At 3:27 PM -0400 10/3/03, KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:23:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sem8@cornell.edu writes: > >That >song has one of the most discordant tunings in the catalog and the >vocal is so challenging, but she waltzes out there and plays it >FIRST. > > > >I am so glad that the open mike was so successful! Wonder if i >could get one going here in Columbus? >LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in >Lindsey. I would KILL to hear a live version of either! Her >picking style is so original, so effortless (for her, anyway). >Ken >np Rufus Wainwright/Oh what a World (sounds like he came through >the awfulness of crystal meth addiction with his talent intact and >growing.) - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:39:55 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: last chance lost In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:33:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: When I hear this song (especially just hearing the Joni sing the words, "last chance lost.," I am imagining: what beautiful cinematic images for LCL! For me, it is tied to a period of time in my life-my first autumn in San Francisco-coffee at the Cafe Flore in the evening with the shadows long and the light low. It would have been October of 94, I think, right when the album was released. When I hear that song, I remember those times. Jeez-almost ten years ago??? Where does the time go? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:48:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:32:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KJHSF@aol.com writes: LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in Lindsey. I would KILL to hear a live version of either! No need to kill, Ken - yikes! All you have to do is ask! ;~) Bob NP: Cassandra Wilson w/Pat Martino, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:52:05 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds Isn't the Edmonton Folk Festival among the trees circulating? I still have it on archaic tape cassette. I'm hoping to get some sort of usb cable and an imic to transfer all my rare cassettes into cds. I wish I was more of a techy with more time!! waahh! take care, sue At 3:48 PM -0400 10/3/03, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:32:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >KJHSF@aol.com writes: > >LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in Lindsey. I >would KILL to hear a live version of either! > >No need to kill, Ken - yikes! > >All you have to do is ask! ;~) > >Bob > >NP: Cassandra Wilson w/Pat Martino, "Both Sides Now" - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:56:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds Subject: lakota > >In the case of "Lakota", I think the Indian American thing is an issue >that >is so easy to preach about that a lot of artists jump on the opportunity >(i.e. Enigma in "The Cross of Changes"). It kinda sickens me, actually. >- - Dylan AND I like Lakota. .. Thanks Joan for reminding people about the the plight of the indians. I have been listening to it quite a lot lately. . . . trying to rediscover Chalk Mark. . . it is very refreshing to me to hear Joni acknowlege the atrocities of life here. .. ("absurdities come over me") Thanks for taking a stand Joni. . . I love it everytime you have and everytime you do. You give me strength. I am going to play Lakota a bit this week in response to "columbus day." Weren't the indians here first or did I get that wrong? Hey, let's make the day before Columbus day: N a t i v e A m e r i c a n Day. Okay? We'll make it a national holiday . . .the Sunday before columbus day. . . . \ I / S u n day (the 12th this year). . .that sounds about right. . . / I \ oaky? afterall. . . "The Native Americans discovered Columbus." I am lakota, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:32:22 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies Yes, yes, the singing is spot on, but she uses entirely too many notes. Paraphrase from "AMADEUS" and fighting off bronchitis for 3 weeks, Lama P.S., It's 3 weeks and still COUNTING... np: A HARD DAY'S NIGHT video and I'm gradually remembering why I've never in all this time sat all the way through it. And here I sit, catching up on email between the songs! > Not to mention, the vocal performance is pedal-point singing, hard to pull off and flawlessly executed....> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:14:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni & the moon >I think she also tied her belief to some Native American prediction about man on the moon. Sorry, but that's all I remember. Maybe someone else knows the interview am talking about. < i heard hopi elder thomas bynanca (sp?) speak many moons (!) ago...about this very subject & a prophesy that we should not take anything back with us from the moon or it would bring about disaster...the prophecy may be in 'book of the hopi' ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:49:26 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: why do i do this happy birthday brian!!! Question - If Bob Muller made a 10 song list that he felt would make up <'Duds' (the CD), would anyone enjoy listening to it ? I'd take a chance ;-) dang right i would!!! in my 36 yrs. i've never seen Miss Joni live, i've seen her live on video, but that doesn't really count, i know. with my limited knowledge of the living honesty of the Queen, who am i to say a word. you all have so much inside info on the genious, and i just have second hand news. what i've seen and heard in it's store bought manner. i've looked in her tape recorded eyes and seen love, love for her listeners, love for her gift, love for more and hope that "we'll" love it too. i see her wondering how she is gonna reach the people who aren't listening or watching, the ones who dance with her at the clubs to music most joni fans couldn't sit thru. "how do i speak to the soul of the universe without losing those who i have touched already?". i see a woman who has fears and knows she could stay the same, but that's not the person who proved to the dr's that they were wrong when they said she'd never walk again. the woman has big bold brass ones. no wonder bob dylan said what he did. more than just a woman of heart and mind, not that a man is, but the combination of the two are. i look in the photograph of this woman's eyes and see... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:30:04 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Lakota", the story behind the song... I'm not gonna mess around with inserting jokes into the liner notes anymore. Here's the best story I've read yet in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. About "Lakota", Joni said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who is a Macatek Indian. His name is Federico. He owned a shop down the street from where we were recording in Santa Monica. I went in to see him one afternoon before going to work on this song and he told me there was an Indian artifact show at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium opening at 5 o'clock that afternoon. He said, "There's gonna be some great stuff there like hummingbird baskets." Hummingbird and eagle feathers are illegal now, like elephant ivory, and would have to be sold under the counter. Federico said I should go early and meet him there because he knew the merchants and they would show me those rare old things. So, at 4 o'clock, I told Shipley and Klein, "I want to leave for an hour," and Klein said, "Joan-Joan, we need you here!" In all my recording career, this is the only time I can recall that I was in the studio and wanted to be someplace else. I told them I would only be gone for an hour. Again they protested. Just then the machines went down and I said, "Okay! Down time!" and I borrowed ten dollars and a watch and promised to be back in an hour. I left. Inside the Santa Monica Civic, this woman came up to me, stuck a 16mm (film) camera in my face and asked, "What are you here for?" I looked into the lens and said, "I'm here to look at the artifacts and I can't stay very long." She asked, still filming, "Do you know Iron Eyes Cody?" I said, "No." "Would you like to meet him?" "Okay," I say. Up comes Iron Eyes Cody wearing a grey braided wig (he'd gone bald) tied like a bonnet under his chin. He had on gobs of turquoise. I say to him, "Do you know any Indian songs?" And he says, "Well yes, I know a few." And I say, "Would you sing me on?" Now we're standing in the aisle of this Indian show, he tilts back his head and goes, "Hey-ya-ho-ho, hey-ya-ho, hey-ya-ho, hey-ya, hey-ya," and I'm delighted. Now I say to him, "What are you doing right now?" And he says, "Well I'm going to dinner with some people at 9 o'clock." I say, "I'm recording nearby. It's a song about the Lakota and the Black Hills. Would you come and sing on it?" And he says, "You want me to overdub?" So I come back to the studio. I'm 20 minutes late. I come back with four Indians and a film crew. The machine is still down, but Klein and Shipley give me the stink-eye anyway, like I broke my promise. They finally fix the machine and we play back "Lakota" for Iron Eyes. He listens with his eyes closed and when it's over, he says, "Oh, it's got the haunting! I think you're turning Indian! You want me to overdub?" So, Iron Eyes Cody overdubs his beautiful song. He has just finished when we hear this clap of thunder. He and I rush to the back door and standing on the back steps, we see coming down the telephone wire - a golden ball of lightning - riding on the lines and its coming straight at the building. I run into the studio and yell, "Get the tapes off the heads!" That electrical storm was only in Santa Monica - nowhere else in L.A. I'd never seen ball lightning before. I haven't seen it since." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:46:21 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Jungle Line dud? In a message dated 10/3/03 3:01:24 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Joni "duds" Ciao Joniphiles, For me at least her biggest dud is "Jungle Line". >> I LOVE "JUNGLE LINE"; probably my favorite song on HOSL. Not that it matters 'cause it's all a matter of taste anyway. But I had to chime in. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:55:16 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Becker's remarks re: Joni << From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Walter Becker's Musings on Joni My final thought on Steely Dan was why can't I be one of their back-up singers? I know all the words and harmonies. I have a mind for dense lyrics. I'd look pretty good in some tight black leather if I'd just knock off the Haagen Dasz for about a month ... Maybe I'll shoot for it by the time I'm 50. Okay, that gives me about 3 years to get into the music business. Hmmm. Lindsay >> Lindsey, have you seen the back-up singers on Neil Young's new Greendale tour? They're supposedly all the wives and mothers of members of the band... looks like an AARP chorus. There's still hope for you. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:41:37 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Duds Bob Muller replied: > If you had no knowledge of Joni's music and listened only to my 10-track > "Duds" CD, I doubt that you'd listen any further. I'm afraid I agree. But I still don't have your list to confirm for sure :-) What songs did you send Leah to make her a Joni convert? Anything remotely resembling a dud? Well, that's an interesting question. Over the years, Leah had been exposed to all of Joni's stuff, and had rejected it (pretty much did not like Joni's voice, and may have resented the attention I gave her). Then, from time to time, I'd bring up a Joni song in context of our discussion and read her the lyrics. She conceded circa Christmas (while home from Paris on vacation) after a few such episodes that she liked Joni's lyrics. That's when I started sending her the 'songs of the day' (which she liked), in chronological order. When she visited again circa March, I played a few songs for her on the guitar from the first 3 albums, and she said "all right, burn me some CD's to take back with me to Paris". I burned the first 6 studio albums, plus the JT concert and Hits. So, I guess the answer is "at least one dud - by your standards - but not many". For the record, Leah fell in love with the LOTC CD first (Just Like Me). Then she got blown away by Down to You. She was pretty ambivalent about Blue for a few months. Then, in August, she went on a vacation with her boyfriend to the south of France - he is sort of a music snob, and was initially dismissive of Joni's music. When he fell in love with Blue, she followed. She was home for a month and just took some more CD's back with her to Oxford (where she is just starting grad school), including Hejira (which she liked when I played it on a 90 minute drive to my parents') and THOSL (which she hated in years past when I tried out a song or two on her, but now seems to like also). I do not think she has tried to get into the 80's and later stuff yet (though as I said she has been exposed to it). Bobsart PS - maybe she'll become a UK JMDL'er some day ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:12:52 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Good Friends" in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS This may be the most frightening Joni story I've ever read. In her notes on "Good Friends" in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS, Joni said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This song went through several rewrites. In the first draft, I wrote a line that went "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident, you get minor cuts and bruises that's all You can hammer out the dents." Then I rewrote it: "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident, there is chaos to the order, random things you can't prevent." One night after mixing this song, Klein and I were driving home to Malibu. We had just gotten off of the Santa Monica freeway and onto the PCH - which, in the summer, is the most dangerous road in California. It's full of drunk teenagers, coming back from the beach. That night a drunk kid ran into us. He was passed out at the wheel. He nailed us head on and totaled our car. My hard head went through the windsheild. We were taken to the hospital where Klein took 16 stitches in his tongue and six hours later, we were sent home in a taxi. We were approaching the site of our accident. Broken glass was strewn about - glinting in the morning light. I said to the cab driver, "Oh look, there's our glaaaa...s." Just as I was saying that, the car next to us swerved out of control and we had to dodge to miss it. So within six hours, we nearly bit it again on the same spot, as if something hovered there - laying in wait. We made a video of this song with some animators who lived in Portland (Oregon, USA). We went up there to meet with them and we were sitting in a Vietnamese restaurant decideing what the accident should look like on film. We conceived of the car rolling on its side with the trunk and the doors flapping. At 11 o'clock, we left the restaurant. The driver pulled out without looking. There was a screech of brakes. I looked out the back window and saw a car coming at us sideways. He skidded. When he straightened out, he was so pissed-off that he chased us for 25 minutes through the streets of Portland. My hands were in the prayer position in the back window pleading for hime to calm down, calm down. We're sorry. We're sorry. It was an accident! In the following month, every time I drove," change came at me", threatening an accident. Time after time my car was nicked or grazed or rammed. Finally I stopped driving altogether. Then we went to England and the pattern broke. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay close to your loved ones when you play "Good Friends". All the best, Lama PS, Special note to the west coast: Don't miss Robin Williams on the Letterman show. He did 8 minutes on The Tour de France and had me laughing the whole time. He even worked in a reference to one of Dave's jokes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:14:00 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 4 On October 4 the following article was published: 1998: "The Hissing of a Living Legend" - New York Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=231 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #310 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)