From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #307 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 307 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Name That Tune", part6 ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Name That Tune", part7 ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "Name That Tune", part5; 100% JC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Name That Tune", part6 Chelsea Morning. Was the first one Tax Free? >This one's fun too. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I had an apartment in New York (City). My living room windows looked down >on Little Italy- when it was still Little Italy, before it became >gentrified >Soho. It was near the Holland Tunnel. Great traffic jam chords- >impertinent, impatient- like Mingus sometimes, all that brass, ya know- >cacophony. > >I sat at my window expecting a song would go by Underneath The Streetlight. >These are some things I saw. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Lama _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:03:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Name That Tune", part7 About the last track on the "WILD THINGS RUN FAST" disc, the bonus track, the so-called demo of Two Grey Rooms, Joni said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two Grey Rooms unfinished demo version Words and Music by Joni Mitchell (previously unreleased from the Wild Things Run Fast sessions) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's it. I posted the whole story in JMDL Digest V2003 #484 on 25 September anyway. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:06:11 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: "Name That Tune", part5; 100% JC Plastics?? Bree >For this song about a fickle lover, Joni replace her original backing >singer >with a different one. :) How sly is that? The song is "Ladies Man". >(Shouldn't it be "Ladies' Man" as it is in the lyric?) > >Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I invited Don Henley to come and sing with me on this one. After he left, >when I was playing it back, I was amazed at how similar our voices sounded. >It took a while to even noticed that a new singer had been introduced. So >I >went across the hall to where Lionel Richie was recording and I conscripted >him. There was the contrast I wanted, so I replaced Don with Lionel. The >old cutting room floor routine. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Lama wondering who else would have the chutzpah to cut Henley's >contribution >to their album... _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:14:18 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued... When Scarlet used the drapes to make a gown she "stole" from her beloved Tara. Impermanent herself, she protected her claim on "the only thing that lasts". Her father said, "Tara. It's the only thing that lasts." Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:24:09 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #494 - BSN again BSN and Travelouge have fine -- beautiful moments -- but ultimately baffle and dishearten, too. I listened to BSN (twice) last weekend, the first listening in at least nine months. I found that my earlier fondness and reverence for that album -- was confirmed. I know some of you hate it, consider it a low point. For me it stands up and lasts. I also found the voice to be in considerably finer shape than I had considered earlier (probably comparing it to Travelogue now). Perhaps I will listen to Travelogue months from now and my opinion will be elevated, or remain where it is, which is "ultimately baffling and disheartening." Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:46:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: "Shades of Scarlett..." I still haven't quite decided whether Joni was reverting to a stereotype on this one or not. The one line that bothers me in this respect is 'she comes from a school of southern charm' - which may only have been a poetic way of saying this character comes from the American South. But the phrase seems to carry with it some implications of what this woman's personality is like, at least on the surface anyway. If you put all that aside, I don't think the song necessarily says anything about the American South or southern women. She is describing a woman who has characterics very like Scarlet O'Hara, who of course is a character from the South. But I think the chief parallel that Joni is trying to draw is more to Scarlet's shallowness, vanity, self-centeredness and her driven nature. I think Scarlet's being the stereotypical southern belle is beside the point. Besides, the song is titled *Shades* of Scarlet Conquering, which to me implies a suggestion of the heroine of GWTW in this woman's character, not an exact replica. I see this person as a very determined character, born into a family that doesn't have much as far as money and material things go. She is fairly young, attractive and has learned how to be a very skillful manipulator. She has a high opinion of herself and lets you know it. She has set her sites on being wealthy and getting out of her present situation. At the same time she has this romanticized idea of what the perfect mate should be like from watching old movies on television. When a movie company comes to her town to shoot on location, she pushes her way into being first in line at the call for extras. Once in, she proceeds to flirt with, wheedle, date and/or do any guy that she thinks might somehow get her into the movie business or get her further along on her road to material success. Some of her 'entertaining' goes on into the late hours of the night with the music turned up too loud or results in noisey love-making or drunken brawls, as the case may be. She manages to steal at least some of the wardrobe she wears as an extra in the movie. Someone has already pointed out that the line about her hands is a contrast. The 'gentle hands' belie the decidedly ungentle nature of the woman they belong to. The real story is in the blood-red fingernails, hard, shiney, faux-glamorous and somewhat claw-like. She lives in denial about the more sordid nature of her life but it finds its way into her dreams and she doesn't like what she dreams. The men who get involved with her are lured on by a nature that seems sweet and pliant on the surface. But they soon find out that underneath the pretty veneer is someone who is not pleasant to be around when she doesn't get her way. She would like to find a rich husband, someone like one of those old movie stars she idealizes. But she doesn't really want to lose her independence and no-one she has met has ever lived up to her expectations. She doesn't just want everything, she feels it is her right to have it all. I kind of made this up as I went. I had never really formulated my thoughts on this song before. I always loved the images and turns of phrase so much but wondered if this wasn't a rather superficial sketch. Now that I've written all of this, I don't think it is. Once again, Joni has given us just enough in her lyrics to draw any number of conclusions. Don't ya just love it? Chicka-boom, chicka-boom boom boom Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers Mac, I think our Joan was in Cellophane Mode and ill on that tour. There was a circus / medicine show environment on that tour so almost anyone could have been a coyote on any given night. Maybe it was Ramblin' Jack Elliot on an off-night backstreet in Altoona, Pennsylvania observed from down the hall by a travel-sick Singer-Songwriter. Personally though, I don't think it was inspired by the Rolling Thunder thing. Joni's barely in Shepard's book, "The Rolling Thunder Log" and from Simon's table of Appearances, I was lucky to see her on that tour. I think she actually did Coyote on that tour. It seems like many dim years ago but my flickering memory was what ever song she did in Rochester, New York's War Memorial was an honest-to-God-radio-hit-of-the-moment and was either "Coyote" or "Amelia". Coyote fits the upbeat, driving-tune memory better... Lama, feeling like I'm going to be almost single-handedly responsible for Digest #495 in 3 hours. >>>So the question is how many men have been speculated as Coyote: I've heard Dylan, Robbie Robertson, now Sam Shepherd. I guess you could take the list of all the men who were in the Rolling Thunder Revue and shake them up in your hat and pick one. Not that Joni did them all...just that Joni ain't tellin. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 02:08:36 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 1 On October 1 the following articles were published: 1979: "Joan, Joni, and Neil: '60s Stars in the '70s" - Chatelaine (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=10 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=377 1998: "Tiger, Tiger" - Boston Globe (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=53 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #307 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)