From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #303 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 28 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 303 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni's Geffen essay [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Court and Spark [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? ["David Rahall" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ ["Susan E McNamara" ] Dylan on Joni - the exact quote [Deb Messling ] [Fwd: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!!] ["Susan E McNamara" ] $$$$?.... [ash ] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: CMIAR, all mixed up [Bobsart48@aol.com] Joni & JT BBC In Concert Video [PAUL LOGAN ] Re: CMIAR, all mixed up [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell [patti haskins ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell ["Bree Mcd] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell ["Bree Mcd] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell ["Mark or ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell [Murphycop] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell ["Bree Mcd] Update on Jonifest 2003 Videos and DVD's [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: boxed set bummer...a welcome ...masterpiece [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Today's Library Links: September 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today in History: September 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Perspectives - Long [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:09:54 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ An interviewer asked this Rock God who he thought were some of the best women songwriters in Rock and Roll? He answered that he didn't know of any. When the interviewer asked incredulously, "What about Joni Mitchell?" he answered, "Joni Mitchell is a man." Who made this notorious quote? That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like "Joni's more like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, or something like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:23:06 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni's Geffen essay You heard the word "victim" bandied about, but never the word "victimizer". I don't know if that statement is original to Joni, but it hit me between the eyes. Maybe worth the $50. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:24:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ the quote is: "joni is an honorary man.". bob dylan. wally > > That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like > "Joni's more > like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, > or something > like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:05:04 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ; Enviado: sabado, 27 de septiembre de 2003 9:24 Asunto: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ > the quote is: "joni is an honorary man.". bob dylan. > wally > > > > That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like > > "Joni's more > > like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, > > or something > > like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:27:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re: test your Joni IQ <Perhaps a better lyric hint might be: "There's a man who's been out sailing, in a decade full of dreams, and he takes her to a schooner...."< i like that or how about "you were playin on the guitar strings, you were playin like a devil wearing wings, wearing wings you looked so grand wearing wings, did you tape them to your shoulder just to sing" ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:20:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Court and Spark Fredrick wrote: Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? Mine's on the way from cd universe. I bought it because I like sonic upgrades (not to mention cool booklets and liner notes, etc., especially from Joni Mitchell. I know, I'm a freak) and I *do* have a great stereo. I don't have WTRF on cd. I like CMIARS. It took a lot of getting used to way back when, but it got under my skin eventually. I'm still waiting to fall in love with DED, though. Maybe my new self-indulgent purchase of this box set will do the trick, cause I'll listen to it a lot, trying to get my money's worth! At least I know how I am. David Rahall listening to Renee Geyer (a "best of" compilation) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? > In response to: > > I seriously don't understand why so many of you all blame Joni personally for this stuff. These types of products come from record company business and marketing decisions. I only have a rough idea of how song licensing and record contracts work (where's Brenda?!) but I'm pretty sure Joni has very > little to do with what they release, etc...... > > Kakki > > Yes...my relatively uneducated guess is that the guys in suits (or whatever they wear in LA) made many of the decisions here...at least it is they who decide whether to produce/release the thing or not. The record company, except in a few cases, absolutely holds the legal right to manufacture and release or re-release recordings (though of course some artists these days are running their own labels and others are negotiating the ownership, or possibly licensing, if that's a better word, rights to their recordings). > > Anyway though, do you remember when the Geffen box set discussion started months ago? At some point after Joni, as she mentioned in some interview, contacted the company and reminded them that they have her Geffen cds in a vault and would they like to do something with them. So perhaps it was Joni who got the disk rolling, but the to-do-or-not-to-do decision belongs to the suits currently in charge, which do not include the free-man-in-paris himself, as I understand it. > > It is very likely that Joni sees this as another effort (as was "Misses") to reintroduce some of her more-neglected work to the public, and perhaps a way of boosting her legacy. I don't know if it will succeed at that or not. > > I will definitely buy this set, probably as a holiday gift to myself. I may be a member of a small minority, but I really like the Geffen period work. As I've said earlier, it doesn't hold up too well when compared to the 70s masterpieces (what does?), but I nonetheless enjoy these albums a great deal. I am neither ashamed nor embarrassed to include CMIARS among my most enjoyed. Yes, I wish they had included more previously unreleased stuff. > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:06:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR, all mixed up Subject: joni mitchell is a man Who made that remark about joni being a man -- I forget -- is it Dylan? It's stupid, sexist bullshit if you ask me. Paul of the Netherlands - -------------------------------------- Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful ones among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and cast away --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ Excellent research!! I knew I could count on you guys. And the best part is, it doesn't make the quote any less outrageous!! :-) sue > the quote is: "joni is an honorary man.". bob dylan. > wally >> >> That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like >> "Joni's more >> like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, or >> something >> like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:45:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni mitchell is a man --- Paul Mepschen wrote: > Who made that remark about joni being a man -- I > forget -- is it Dylan? It's > stupid, sexist bullshit if you ask me. > > Paul of the Netherlands > Well, now we know it was Dylan. Quelle surprise, eh? I doubt we'd ever make him an honorary woman. His loss. ;-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:53:43 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Dylan on Joni - the exact quote Here is the interview where Dylan compares Joni to a man. It's from Rolling Stone, in 1987. BD: I don't know. Showbiz -- well, I don't dig it. I don't go to see someone jump around I hate to see chicks perform. _Hate_ it. KL: Why? BD: Because they whore themselves. Especially the ones that don't wear anything. They f**in' whore themselves. KL: Even someone like Joni Mitchell? BD: Well, no. but, then, Joni Mitchell is almost like a _man_ [laughs]. I mean, I love Joni, too. But Joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's all her own, and she lives on that timetable.. Joni Mitchell is in her own world all by herself, so she has a right to keep any rhythm she wants. She's allowed to tell you what time it is. http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/int/RS1987.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!!] - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! From: "Susan E McNamara" Date: Sat, September 27, 2003 8:12 am To: The questions that would be hard for us is stuff that Joni has never said out loud!!! The Ithaca crowd will be for the most part old folkies and cornell students who either only know Big Yellow Taxi by the Counting Crows or stopped listening to her after Court and Spark. I hope in some ways I'm wrong about that but we'll see. Right now I'm definitely playing Magdalene Laundries but the second song is a toss up between The Priest (I like the Catholic theme there), I Think I Understand (which has been obsession of mine for about a month now) or A Strange Boy. They are recording the sessions, so I'll make sure you get a copy (if you would like one). Hope you are well, Sue > > Hi Sue - good job on the questions, a tad on the easy side for this > crowd but I'm sure you'll challenge your audience all right. > > What songs are you going to perform? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:08:35 +1000 From: ash Subject: $$$$?.... From John Stanley's 2002 book Collecting Vinyl. that's those big black Frisbees things...... under the heading Pop Composers...page 193 Quote....... "Joni Mitchell offered a more sophisticated and reflective mood, having little care for singles. Each LP was like some personal sketchpad of her visions on her life and relationships".....and "Prices for her records aren't high- for example, two later LPs an audiophile form, Court and Spark and the The Hissing of Summer Lawns, are worth $50 (US) and 15 pounds (British) respectively". While French mime artist Marcel Marceau, who made an LP with 19 mins of silence on each side, plus two mins of clapping....there is no price on this!! Ash ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:05:28 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell Now Lama again: Page 3 is now barely hanging on to the binder. The cardstock has stressed the glue too much during the time it took me to type in this essay. Very soon, it's going to end up like the loose cardstock in the BSN box, which MG called "trading cards". short-sighted businessmen nothin' lasts for long nothin' lasts for long nothin' lasts for long Lama - ------------------------------ Well, after just one read through, the first three pages were in my lap in the car. It is like those paste-up pads were you just barely rip to pull off another one. I also realized the new sunset picture is actually the back side of the CMIARS CD, so even that isn't new. If Joni was able to obtain the Masters that would mean she had complete control over their Re-release, and since she has maintained all packaging rights I would figure most of the responsibility lies on her shoulders. As she shows the booklet to her friends and the pages start to shuffle out of place she'll get pissed, then maybe she'll do a remake. Remember how the lovely candy box of BSN had recording flaws in the begging? Who knows maybe she needs some quick cash for Kiluren"s defense fund on the husband's child abuse charge, or she is trying to start the grand kids college fund now before the cost of education gets to out of controll:~) Most order houses already have dropped the price by $10.00. Inspite of it all, I still love her more than anyone else in the business! I listen to every thing she does day after day (sorry that's a title) and enjoy it all, even the Geffen years, and have been using "Dog Eat Dog" for the last several years to fend off the religious right influence of our home town of Fort Myers. So for now if you can't afford it your all invited over to my house to listen to it. We'll send Rolls on a long errand as not to get any interruptions, just bring a joint or two:~))) "Happy Rosh Hashanah" Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:24:27 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR, all mixed up Bob Muller suggested > A Strange Crow > Black Boy > > Bob, punishing himself by listening to: > > NP: Joni, "Dancin' Clown" (on repeat) > Wait a minute ! I do not believe in excessive punishment. If you feel the guilt, that's punishment enough for me ;-) Seriously, if you keeping listening to Dancin Clown on repeat, you'll end up like that character in A Clockwork Orange, vomiting at the sight of the CMIAR CD cover. And we do not want that result. If you wanted to punish yourself, you might put Hejira on and leave it there for the next month. You may think to yourself (a la Brer Rabbit) "please don't throw me in that briar patch", but by November I bet you'll be begging for Chalkmark :~) ? But as I said, I do not believe in unwarranted punishment. This weekend, I'm gonna start getting immersed in Emmy Lou (going to a concert at Carnegie Hall next month with a friend who's a big fan of hers, who lent me "Portraits" and one other CD that is a bit more recent. I may also pick up her new one - I have Red Dirt Girl). Is it adultery even if you don't enjoy it ? Oops, maybe I should save that question for Bill Clinton ? Naughty Bobsart NP - The Boho Line - er, I mean, The Jungle Dance. Whatever. I just listened to Don't Interrupt the Sire (my kind of song, but so is The Sorrow of Sorrow - Bob's Sad Song). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:35:15 -0700 From: PAUL LOGAN Subject: Joni & JT BBC In Concert Video Hi--I am looking for a video of the BBC In Concert of Joni & James Taylor which aired in October,1970. Any information would be appreciated---thanks, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:35:42 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR, all mixed up In a message dated 9/27/2003 8:07:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Bob, punishing himself by listening to: > > NP: Joni, "Dancin' Clown" (on repeat) > ROTF!!!!!!!!!! You must be feeling *really* guilty!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:02:39 -0500 From: patti haskins Subject: Re: "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell Patti in Dallas here to report that my wonderful husband came home last night from a business trip to Austin and brought my two presents, the box set and the alternative Blue. My booklet from the box set is actually stitched together, with actual thread. It really is a gorgeous package. Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >This is the forward in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS box set: >------------------------------- >THE LOST YEARS by Joni Mitchell >------------------------------- > It was Christmas. I was signing prints for Geffen's "A" list, when I was >informed by an alarmed friend that my first two (Geffen) albums had been cut >out. I called up the company president and I said, "You mean I'm sitting >here, getting writer's cramp, giving you these signed lithos for nothing and >you've dropped WILD THINGS RUN FAST and DOG EAT DOG?" I was demoralized. > > I made four albums for Geffen. For one reason or another, they were >viewed as being out of sync with the '80s. But I was out of synch with the >'80s. Thanks God! To be in sync with these times, in my opinion, was to be >degenerating both morally and artistically. Materialism became a virtue; >greed was "hip". You heard the word "victim" bandied about, but never the >word "victimizer". It seemed like everyone was dressed in black everywhere. >What were we mourning? > > When Geffen Records sold to MCA, they announced with pride, on the radio, >all of the great and near great artists transferred in the deal. I was not >mentioned. In '98, when the conglomerate possessing my masters merged with >another conglomerate, PolyGram, again the roster was highlighted in the >media and again I was not mentioned. When this "multiglomerate" announced >its intentions to sell itself to France, I called the CEO and requested that >he return my masters to me. "They're like an old pair of slippers at the >back of your closet. They're just gathering dust. You don't even know >they're there." He agreed that he didn't. "I know this is audacious," I >said, "But you're not making any money off of them so, give 'em to me!" He >passed me down to the president. For the last three years, I have been >meeting with Universal representatives trying to get these records back on >the street. > > So, here, sprung from the dungeons of Geffen Records after doing twelve >years for failing to be wildly popular, are these four parolees. Much >thanks to Mike Ragogna and Andy McKaie and Bruce Resnikoff and Jimmy Iovine- >friends on the inside. Special thanks to David Geffen for the file in the >cake. > > > > >------------------------------- >Now Lama again: >Page 3 is now barely hanging on to the binder. The cardstock has stressed >the glue too much during the time it took me to type in this essay. Very >soon, it's going to end up like the loose cardstock in the BSN box, which MG >called "trading cards". > >short-sighted businessmen >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long > > >Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:44:25 -0400 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Joni Box Set Hi all. Been away from the list for a while so excuse me if this has already been covered. My only interest in the box set is whether the discs have been re-mastered at current 20 bit quality or in HDCD. Does anyone know? If not (and MCA has a terrible track record at re-mastering, usually not bothering to bring re-issues up to current CD standards) there really is no reason to get it. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:50:06 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell >short-sighted businessmen >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long > > >Lama > >------------------------------ >So for now if you can't afford it your all invited over to my house to >listen to it. We'll send >Rolls on a long errand as not to get any interruptions, just bring a joint >or >two:~))) HI!! I agree with you and Lama and others. This boxed set was mostly if not all Joni's doings. I have not bought it yet. I suppose I eventually will just because I have *everything and I want to be complete. But I was thinking......... Mingus you wrote about people coming and listening to the boxed set with you... AND while this would be wonderful too. BUTjust think, if the Joan puts out old but unreleased stuff or catching my breath here...something NEW.....ALL NEW MATERIAL. ......would this not be the ultimate Joni get-together?! Where in unison we would all hear it for the VERY first time!! I know ..just a dream some of us had..a fantasy.. but a dream I will hold onto....... AND I'll happily bring a few goodies along... I hope Rolls is doing well. Love... Bree >"Happy Rosh Hashanah" > >Peace >Mingus > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:50:32 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell >short-sighted businessmen >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long > > >Lama > >------------------------------ >So for now if you can't afford it your all invited over to my house to >listen to it. We'll send >Rolls on a long errand as not to get any interruptions, just bring a joint >or >two:~))) HI!! I agree with you and Lama and others. This boxed set was mostly if not all Joni's doings. I have not bought it yet. I suppose I eventually will just because I have *everything and I want to be complete. But I was thinking......... Mingus you wrote about people coming and listening to the boxed set with you... AND while this would be wonderful too. BUTjust think, if the Joan puts out old but unreleased stuff or catching my breath here...something NEW.....ALL NEW MATERIAL. ......would this not be the ultimate Joni get-together?! Where in unison we would all hear it for the VERY first time!! I know ..just a dream some of us had..a fantasy.. but a dream I will hold onto....... AND I'll happily bring a few goodies along... I hope Rolls is doing well. Love... Bree >"Happy Rosh Hashanah" > >Peace >Mingus > _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:22:49 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell BUTjust think, if the Joan puts out old but > unreleased stuff or catching my breath here...something NEW.....ALL > NEW MATERIAL. ......would this not be the ultimate Joni > get-together?! Where in unison we would all hear it for the VERY > first time!! What, are you CRAZY!! Just imagine if reactions were as far-ranging as what greeted 'Taming the Tiger' or (heaven forbid!) Travelogue! You'd have the biggest brawl on your hands since Carly & Chrissie at the Fez! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:34:56 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell Mark writes: << Just imagine if reactions were as far-ranging as what greeted 'Taming the Tiger' or (heaven forbid!) Travelogue! >> I was at a T'log get-together at Ashara's last November, I think it was. It was where I and a few others heard it for the first time. There was no brawl, but there was at least one person who was outspoken about not really liking it from the beginning. (Hi, Ric!) I have gone back and forth on T'log, and have decided to hold off on judging whether it is good or bad. (I like Joni's current voice, so that's not an issue.) What T'log *is* is dark. It is very much -- from packaging to musical content -- a product of Joni's post-9/11 frame of mind, I think, and I can't take too much of that right now without going into an end-of-summer, pre-holiday funk. So I have been spinning mostly joyful Joni lately, like Coyote. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:57:24 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell LOL!! I never thought of the *possible*dissension. But I'm sure the *goodies* would bring a lot of love peace, and understanding. Bree >BUTjust think, if the Joan puts out old but > > unreleased stuff or catching my breath here...something NEW.....ALL > > NEW MATERIAL. ......would this not be the ultimate Joni > > get-together?! Where in unison we would all hear it for the VERY > > first time!! > >What, are you CRAZY!! Just imagine if reactions were as far-ranging >as what greeted 'Taming the Tiger' or (heaven forbid!) Travelogue! >You'd have the biggest brawl on your hands since Carly & Chrissie at >the Fez! > >Mark > > _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:33:51 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Update on Jonifest 2003 Videos and DVD's Hi Everyone, Just to let you know, I haven't been intentionally dragging my feet on this. I've been talking to Paz about another source that he found that will duplicate the DVD's for less money than the company I was dealing with. I am still trying to figure some things out like the cost of duplicating just one set (expensive at the moment) so we can have it for the rest of the duplication. As you can imagine, this is a little more complicated as 1) I will (hopefully!) be offering refunds of the price difference to those that ordered DVD's (or you can donate the difference to the scholarship fund, put it towards next year's Jonifest deposit, etc.) 2) People will have the opportunity of changing their video orders to DVD orders 3) I will also take additional orders from anyone that didn't have a chance to order them from the original deadline I deeply apologize to everyone that has already placed orders and will need to wait a bit longer. I will get back to everyone as soon as I know anything. So, please just sit tight for now. Also, since we have this great opportunity to duplicate DVD's at a reasonable cost, how many people would be interested in the Jonifest 2002 videos/DVD's that were never released? If there is sufficient interest, I will make an effort to Master those as well for this project. **Please e-mail me at *this* address if you are interested in the 2002 videos/DVD's. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:04:58 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: boxed set bummer...a welcome ...masterpiece In a message dated 9/27/03 3:00:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << The sad fact is that out of the last 10 cd's that Joni (or the suits) have put out, a mere ONE has been new material. That would test the patience of anybody's fans I think. Bob >> I've read what all of you have written, and i agree your points are valid. for me, i'm a freakshow with a passion for passionate people and a thirst to know their every thought, move and reason, even if, in the future, these things change. what does this mean? if Joni has anything to do with it i want it. i'd buy a gum wrapper with two words on it if she wrote them. <> welcome fredrick...peace << > So I trust you'll all forgive me if I put > Chalk Mark back on the shelf, even those of you who think it's a > masterpiece. > > Cheers, > Richard > > I forgive you richard :) <> holy mother of God... <> are you serious...pffffffffffffff damn my memory, i've forgotten my favorite song, and i heard it yesterday peace hoops ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:03:42 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 28 On September 28 the following articles were published: 1968: "Joni, The Seagull From Saskatoon" - Melody Maker (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=178 1974: "Yes Rule - Okay!" - Melody Maker (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=781 1998: "Playful Aggression" - Daily Telegraph (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=99 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Calgary Sun (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=70 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:03:42 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 28 1968: Joni appeared along with headliners Fairport Convention at the Festival Of Contemporary Song at Royal Festival Hall in London, England. Jackson C. Frank and Al Stewart also performed. Jonis first album "Song to a Seagull" is released in the United Kingdom today on Reprise Records. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:13:18 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Perspectives - Long I had one of those precious alone days today (my wife is out of town, and my kids are out of the nest, so I grabbed it). Between yesterday and today, I listened to 75 songs from Emmylou's boxset "Portraits" and the CD "Spyboy". Now, I can understand how one could fall in love with her voice (though I wish she would use more of it straight up, and hide it less behind the harmonies). And like Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt, who trio with her on several cuts (and like Joni, and Bruce Springsteen, for that matter), there is more than a little appeal to her 'whole package' - I mean this sincerely, not in any derogatory way. And I realize that she wrote very few of the 75 songs (she had a hand in writing no more than ten of the 75). But she got to pick the songs she covered. She tapped a lot of songwriters - including Gram Parsons, Lennon/McCartney, Delbert McClinton, Chuck Berry, Dolly Parton, Robbie Robertson, Don McClean, Paul Simon, James Taylor, Richard Thompson, Bruce Springsteen, Phil Spector, Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson, Stephen Foster, Bob Dylan, Tom Rush, Roy Orbison, Townes Van Zandt (and others). Yet despite that, I found the songwriting truly paled by comparison to even a random sample of Joni's - for example, take her 200 or so songs, put 'em on a dartboard, and fire off 75 of them. And I'm just talking about the music - forget about the lyrical comparisons. And I really like quite a number of the songs - heck, I picked The Boxer for the song circle at the fest. Will an Emmylou fan out there please give me a list of what they think the really good songs on this box set include, so I can pay even harder attention to them the next time I listen to these albums ? (I already know and like Here, There and Everywhere, Evangeline, Save the Last Dance for Me, Mr. Sandman, And I Love You So, The Boxer, Millworker, To Know Him is to Love Him and Hard Times. That's 9 out of 61. Can we get me up to 25 (that would be batting .400 or so on really good songs). Now I know these are pretty much all considered good songs - she doesn't have to cover lousy songs, after all. I'm looking for really good. What I'm saying is not just that I'm spoiled. I'm saying Joni sort of ruined listening to popular music for me. Darn her. Her work is just so superior. By the way, did Kristofferson ever sue Dolly Parton for "To Daddy" - I mean, isn't that verse note for note the same as "Me and Bobby Mcghee" ? Shameless ! Anyway, after the Emmylou marathon, I watched the Let's Sing Out tape, then the WOHAM DVD (kudos to Susan Lacy for a truly artistic, sensitive and passionate job of producing and editing that show - the videos of Blue, Dog Eat Dog and Raised on Robbery were especially great on the music end, and the bonus interview snippets were impressive, also, and Joni enhanced her image on them, IMO) and finally the Shadows and Light DVD (and kudos to Joni for producing such an artistic piece so early in the 'video' era). No need to print out the setlist from those 3 collections. Stunning. I even have an earworm for I Was Born to Take the Highway - one of her 'baby' songs :-) Sorry to go on like this. There has been some complaining over tha past few days - much of it meritorious, no doubt - about the new 'box set' et al. But for the pleasure Joni's given me over the years - including that of admiring her and her work - she can have her way with me any time (and I'll try my best never to complain). Bobsart PS - By way of comparison, I enjoyed listening to Bob Muller's two "Sweet Sixteen" covers CD's more than I did Portraits - a tribute to Joni's songwriting, IMO. And of those covers, very few were 'better' overall performances than Joni's own on her records - a tribute to her arranging, producing and performing talents. She is really something (in case any of you all out there in the choir hadn't noticed) ;-) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #303 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)