From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #298 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 298 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: please refresh my dim old memory (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Re: Today in History: September 23 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! ["Richard Flynn" ] Geffen Demos, out of the bag..... ["Christopher Treacy" ] Hosl ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni on A&E [vince ] Fw: Garrin Benfield Southern Cal Dates Start [Darice ] Re: Joni's reel-to-reel [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Boxed in [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #478 ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hosl ["Bree Mcdonough" ] "IT's All Over Now Baby Blue? [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Today's Library Links: September 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:51:29 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: please refresh my dim old memory (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; Enviado: martes, 23 de septiembre de 2003 6:43 Asunto: RE: please refresh my dim old memory > i don't think it could've been a home studio, at least if you go by the > lyrics. "i'm up all night in the studio (...) and i'll just be getting home > with my reel-to-reel." but then, the lyrics may be just that. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:51:49 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: is sam shepard coyote? (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: martes, 23 de septiembre de 2003 7:23 Asunto: is sam shepard coyote? > i have the slightest feeling of deja vu right now because maybe we have > already discussed this. > anyway, you must have noticed how DJRD (the song) sounds like "coyote, the > sequel" in terms of tuning and at least one very important chord change: the > opening chords in coyote and the closing chords in DJRD are the same. > all right, i've always felt that DJRD (the album) had some references to a > relationship between two scorpios ("it's been stinger to stinger, darling", > "the eagle and the serpent" and one or two more that i can't remember right > now). and then there's "i'm DJRD, i came out two days on your tail..." and i > thought, is she talking about someone who was born on november 5, 1943? > well, sam shepard was. > and wouldn't he be an ideal candidate for the coyote character? and given > the similarities between coyote and DJRD (the song) wouldn't a mind like > mine come to the conclusion that SS is coyote? > > wally, very national-enquirish tonight ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:22:15 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: is sam shepard coyote? (for AOL members) > "i'm DJRD, i came out two days on your tail..." and > i > > thought, is she talking about someone who was born on > november 5, 1943? > > well, sam shepard was. NOW that line finally makes sense, Wally!! And yes, there had been some previous discussion about SS being Coyote, I believe it was Julius who had turned up the evidence that made the argument pretty convincing, but yours pretty much puts a lock on it as far as I'm concerned. Bob NP: Jelly Roll Morton's Red Hot Peppers, "Kansas City Stomps" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:28:44 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:36:58 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Request Happy Birthday Bob Muller ! I was thinking about your recent wishes for a real box set and wondered about this (semi-related) possibility: - If you were to canvass your archives and select the best versions (your opinion) of songs that Joni wrote and performed but never recorded, that would make an interesting compilation CD, no ? Issue - should you cheat a little and include a 'live' Urge For Going' (you know, the one that never made the cut until "Hits" came out). Even if you don't do that (which I think you should - hint, hint), could you compile a set list for our inspection ? Also, is there a list of songs that Joni is known to have written and performed but with no known recordings in circulations ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:37:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: is sam shepard coyote? (for AOL members) In a message dated 9/23/03 7:58:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, emilianopd@mundo-r.com writes: > > i have the slightest feeling of deja vu right now because maybe we have > > already discussed this. > > anyway, you must have noticed how DJRD (the song) sounds like "coyote, the > > sequel" in terms of tuning and at least one very important chord change: > the > > opening chords in coyote and the closing chords in DJRD are the same. > > all right, i've always felt that DJRD (the album) had some references to a > > relationship between two scorpios ("it's been stinger to stinger, > darling", > > "the eagle and the serpent" and one or two more that i can't remember > right > > now). and then there's "i'm DJRD, i came out two days on your tail..." and > i > > thought, is she talking about someone who was born on november 5, 1943? > > well, sam shepard was. > > and wouldn't he be an ideal candidate for the coyote character? and given > > the similarities between coyote and DJRD (the song) wouldn't a mind like > > mine come to the conclusion that SS is coyote? > > > > wally, very national-enquirish tonight > Yes Wally , we have discussed this before and I am convinced Coyote is in FACT Sam Shepard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:47:53 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Coyote and DJRD Sittin in a Tree Wally re-hypothesized re Joni and Sam Shepard > and then there's "i'm DJRD, i came out two days on your tail..." and i > thought, is she talking about someone who was born on november 5, 1943? > well, sam shepard was. > and wouldn't he be an ideal candidate for the coyote character? and given > the similarities between coyote and DJRD (the song) wouldn't a mind like > mine come to the conclusion that SS is coyote? > > wally, very national-enquirish tonight Pretty compelling, Wally. I have am strongly drawn to both those songs, which excuses my interest in your NE-like gossip, I'm sure we'd all agree ;-) But could you please explain what connection you see in the eagle and the serpent, which I always have seen as a more generic part of Joni's struggle ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:44:25 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Boxed in select the best versions (your opinion) of songs that Joni wrote and performed > but never recorded, that would make an interesting compilation CD, no ? Yes, but for the most part that task has already been done with the "Second Fret Sets" compilations...although there are some ommissions there. I can tell you that it would take more than one CD to fit them all on. > > Issue - should you cheat a little and include a 'live' Urge For Going' (you > know, the one that never made the cut until "Hits" came out). She did released UFG as the B-side to "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio", so it was available prior to Hits. And there would be some live versions of songs that should be included; the versions of My Old Man, All I Want, Case of You, For Free that feature different lyrics should be there. > > Even if you don't do that (which I think you should - hint, hint), could you > compile a set list for our inspection ? I guess there's two "box set" discussions...one of which would be a boxset of the stuff that's already in circulation, the other would be the set of stuff that's not in circulation or at least not readily available at our level. The latter collection should include the alternate Mingus recordings and other demos, unreleased things that we don't know about. The former is one that I could assemble, I suppose, hypothetically at least. I'll look through my collection and see what I would theoretically put together. > > Also, is there a list of songs that Joni is known to have > written and > performed but with no known recordings in circulations ? Well, if we take the list from JM.com and delete the ones we've got, we come up with: Ballad In Blue CARA'S CASTLE DAISY SUMMER PIPER Endless Summer Free Darling GEMINI TWIN HERE TODAY, GONE TOMORROW I WON'T CRY JEREMY Julie's Mom Kelly Lazy Summer LOVE IS LIKE A BIG BRASS BAND MIDNIGHT COWBOY SONG, THE MIDSUMMER MORNING MOON IN THE MIRROR POOR SAD BABY STRAW-FLOWER ME What Will You Give Me WHO HAS SEEN THE WIND If anyone has any of these, a copy of the recording would make a GREAT birthday present! :~) Bob NP: Neil Young, "Journey Through The Past" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:08:28 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Coyote and DJRD Sittin in a Tree I always thought DJRD was written to John Guerin. Oh Well! In SFS there's the line: I left my man At a North Dakota Juction In DJRD: I touched you on the Central Plains It was plane to train, my twin In Coyote: I looked a Coyote right in the face On the road to Baljennie near my old home town Something of great emotional significance happenned to her to reference it in # different songs>> February 29th 1976 in Madison was her last stop on her tour. In an article about the Madison photo shoot for Hejira cover art, she mentions 'forces that were threatening to tear the tour apart'. Could this be related? Was Coyote written in '75? Steve, still confused, But inquiring minds, you know... At 08:47 AM 9/23/2003 EDT, Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: >Wally re-hypothesized re Joni and Sam Shepard > > >> and then there's "i'm DJRD, i came out two days on your tail..." and i >> thought, is she talking about someone who was born on november 5, 1943? >> well, sam shepard was. >> and wouldn't he be an ideal candidate for the coyote character? and given >> the similarities between coyote and DJRD (the song) wouldn't a mind like >> mine come to the conclusion that SS is coyote? >> >> wally, very national-enquirish tonight > >Pretty compelling, Wally. I have am strongly drawn to both those songs, which >excuses my interest in your NE-like gossip, I'm sure we'd all agree ;-) > >But could you please explain what connection you see in the eagle and the >serpent, which I always have seen as a more generic part of Joni's struggle ? > >Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:16:04 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Zagat releases first music guide Zagat which you're used to seeing rating restaurants and hotels around the world has come out with a music guide. The article gives Joni two mentions. Among Top Breakup Albums, with Surveyor's Favorite Tracks: Joni Mitchell, Blue, "A Case of You" "Hejira" was in the top 5 road albums. For complete article see : http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030923/nytu019_1.html Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:29:14 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Today in History: September 23 Today in History: September 23, Bob Muller, King of Joni Mitchell covers, was born. How many covers are you up to now? Thanks for all the music, Bob and Happy Birthday! Suze n.p. Joni and Johnny "Girl of the North Country" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:09:37 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: September 23 > How many covers are you up to now? As of yesterday, 1,277 give or take one or two that may not be legit. And while trolling for new covers yesterday I found 1 new Big Yellow Taxi & THREE new Urge For Going's! And the good news - NO new BSN's! And in the mail when I got home yesterday, a jazz vocal recording of "Song For Sharon". Whoo-Hoo, Hejira covers make me SO happy. And hard though it may be to believe, a new month and a new Volume in the never-ending covers saga is almost upon us, so everyone get your guessers calibrated. ;~) Also, I'm awaiting the new Christmas releases to see who will add our favorite "Christmas" song (River) on it. Last year Barry Manilow, this year...? Bob NP: Neil Young, "The Old Country Waltz" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:57:32 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! ICE Magazine has this blurb about the box: Joni Mitchell's The Complete Geffen Recordings (September 23) box set enshrines, on four separate discs, the Canadian empress's four label releases - 1982's Wild Things Run Fast, which reflected her growing interest in jazz music; Dog Eat Dog, her political-awakening album; Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm, featuring a stellar guest roster including Willie Nelson, Peter Gabriel, Don Henley, Tom Petty and Billy Idol; and 1991's Night Ride Home, her final Geffen release that served as the artistic stepping stone to her next album, Turbulent Indigo. An unreleased piano-and-vocal version of "Good Friends" accompanies Dog Eat Dog, while a previously unheard demo version of Bob Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" enriches Night Ride Home. As compilation producer Mike Ragogna explains to ICE, "We hardly did any remastering. In fact, these are basically flat transfers of the albums, since we found them in such good shape. We had the original master tapes, which have only been used once - when Mobile Fidelity licensed the Wild Things Run Fast album. Otherwise, these masters have never been touched." A candid introductory note by Mitchell, her insightful liner notes (where she individually addresses 90% of the tracks) and rare photos from the Dog Eat Dog and Night Ride Home sessions - all housed within an 88-page booklet - fill out the collection. http://www.icemagazine.com/cubes/cubes_198.shtm#joni > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:12 PM > To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! > > > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > me why I'm supposed to be > > > > > Two words...bonus tracks! > > There's how many... two? Maybe three? Yeesh! Anyway, I > won't be banging down the door at the record store the > day this one shows up. But I'm a sucker so I'll > probably buy it. Eventually. When the price comes down > - like, way down. > > And, by the way, HAPPY FRIGGIN' BIRTHDAY! > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:44:42 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! > 1982's Wild Things Run Fast, which reflected her growing > interest > in jazz music; Say WHAT? WTRF reflected her running like a wild thing AWAY from jazz music after the commercial failure of Mingus. She recruited a cracker-jack troupe of rock and rollers to back her up. Sure, she may have gotten some jazzers to contribute (Shorter, Larry Carlton, Victor Feldman), and some of these melodies have been re-interpreted in a jazzier style, but I don't think Joni was thinking "Ooh, let's explore jazz further" with WTRF. She was trying to avoid an early retirement! And none of this is intended to dis WTRF which I love... Bob NP: Dave Matthews, "Jimi Thing" live 3-22-03 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:55:38 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! What a horrendous inaccuracy. This is one of the reasons I've begun to pursue a career in media journalism...there may not be a lot of money there, but the arts are my life, and we've got WAAAAAAYYY too many fools writing both promotional blurbs and critical horseshit who simply haven't done their homework. - -Chris, back form the music shop, getting ready to sit down to a small salad of 3 measly Geffen demos....it's one of those little suck-ass boxes too, not the big rectangular kind. Glad I had a gift certificate...good timing. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! > > 1982's Wild Things Run Fast, which reflected her growing > > interest > > in jazz music; > > Say WHAT? > > WTRF reflected her running like a wild thing AWAY from jazz > music after the commercial failure of Mingus. She recruited a > cracker-jack troupe of rock and rollers to back her up. Sure, > she may have gotten some jazzers to contribute (Shorter, Larry > Carlton, Victor Feldman), and some of these melodies have been > re-interpreted in a jazzier style, but I don't think Joni was > thinking "Ooh, let's explore jazz further" with WTRF. She was > trying to avoid an early retirement! > > And none of this is intended to dis WTRF which I love... > > Bob > > NP: Dave Matthews, "Jimi Thing" live 3-22-03 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:07:21 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! Absolutely, Bob. There are cuts on WTRF that are wonderful: my favorites are "Chinese Cafe" and Moon at the Window," but she is running away from jazz. The big problem with _Mingus_ is that it pales compared to actual Mingus in his prime. And I find the lyrics to "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" kind of embarrassing, to tell you the truth. Then, after WTRF, we get Joni experimenting & I think floundering for the most part, Thomas Dolby stuff, weird guest stars like Billy Idol. And her politics become less and less nuanced. (This lack of nuance carries over into "Sex Kills" later on _Turbulent Indigo_, esp. compared to the magnificent "Magdalene Laundries.") Of course _Night Ride Home_ has many wonderful moments, including political ones on the recently discussed "Passion Play." The floundering may just be a necessary step for an artist to make good art again. I wondered with the "no need to remaster" remarks, "who needs this box?" But there is that 88 page booklet with candid Joni commentary . . . > -----Original Message----- > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:45 PM > To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! > > > > 1982's Wild Things Run Fast, which reflected her growing > > interest > > in jazz music; > > Say WHAT? > > WTRF reflected her running like a wild thing AWAY from jazz > music after the commercial failure of Mingus. She recruited a > cracker-jack troupe of rock and rollers to back her up. Sure, > she may have gotten some jazzers to contribute (Shorter, Larry > Carlton, Victor Feldman), and some of these melodies have been > re-interpreted in a jazzier style, but I don't think Joni was > thinking "Ooh, let's explore jazz further" with WTRF. She was > trying to avoid an early retirement! > > And none of this is intended to dis WTRF which I love... > > Bob > > NP: Dave Matthews, "Jimi Thing" live 3-22-03 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:07:11 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! Chris writes: << we've got WAAAAAAYYY too many fools writing both promotional blurbs and critical horseshit who simply haven't done their homework >> At least they give Joni credit on her guitar work in "California" once in a while! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:11:55 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni on NPR On 9/22/03 9:19 PM, "vince" wrote: > Yeah and Joni was on A&E last Friday? Saturday? They did a bio on Janis > (there is only one Janis and she is from Port Arthur Texas) and a bio on > Mama Cass and lots of face time from Crosby and Nash saying Mama Cass > put CSN together and sings on the first album and how Cass' was the > place to hang out and several pictures of Joni with Cass and C and N all > partying, nice pics. One pic I think Joni had a dulcimer but could > be wrong. But the Joni pictures were happy smiley partying Joni. Those great photos were thanks to great Henry Diltz. When I went to see Dream a Little Dream off Broadway there was a Henry Diltz photo exhibit which had several wonderful shots of Joni. > > Both bios were excellent. There was footage on both that I have never > seen before and really intelligent insights for a change. If I arise > from poverty, I shall buy those two cds from A&E. They sure were excellent. I was a big fan of both, who were closer in culture than most people knew. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:20:16 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Geffen Demos, out of the bag..... Well, in a nutshell... It's "Two Grey Rooms" the dipthong mix, and "Baby Blue" is almost exactly the same chord progression as NRH's title track, but still pretty cool. One can easily see that there's absolutely no way both tracks could've been included on the same release (they're almost identical...it's amazing the way she 'joni-izes' it compared to, let's say, Judy Collins' beautiful early 90's version...). "Good Friends" is the winner of the lot (I had a feeling). As the track ended, I found myself saying aloud "They should've left these just the way they were." Between this demo and the 3 piano/vocal tracks on Rock's Master Class (1985), you can get a real feel for what could've been a stellar JM album. Oh well, I guess we're lucky to even have those 4. The lyrics and phrasings on the GF demo are different - "Synchronized & Vital" as opposed to "Synchronized Like Magic". I'll be rotating it heavy for a while. - -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:22:00 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! Chris wrote: << we've got WAAAAAAYYY too many fools writing both promotional blurbs and critical horseshit who simply haven't done their homework >> The I wrote: << At least they give Joni credit on her guitar work in "California" once in a while! >> Me again . . . Talk about not doing one's homework, "California" isn't the song Rolling Stone mentioned as being one of Joni's best examples of her guitar work, is it? I wonder if fact checkers still exist. That was the job the guy in "Bright Lights, Big City" had. I think. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:35:20 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday!/Bad Journalism Precisely. It was actually an article in the Boston Phoenix on Tori Amos that set me off originally. The author said something like "Whether she's casually complaining about the service in a restaurant ("The Waitress")..... The waitress is about 2 co-workers, one who secretly wants to murder the other. There's no mention of service whatsoever. In the same piece it was stated that the songwriting on "Strange Little Girls" was lacking/weak and out of sync with Tori's usual M.O. - might that be because SLG is a covers album? And actually, the songwriting on SLG isn't really THAT far from Tori's usual bag. The clincher was when, while commenting on Tori's show in Providence, RI last fall, the genius-writer said something like "lead guitar was strangely inaudible" and eluded to some potential technical/mix problems. Tori was on tour with a bass/drums/keyboard ensemble. No lead guitar person on the stage AT ALL. I rest my case. And oddly enough (or perhaps an irony), the Phoenix has been particularly difficult to deal with as far as editing goes. They sit on one's work for weeks at a time and are rather clipped in their email responses...gone are the days when persistence is rewarded. - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! > Chris writes: > > << we've got WAAAAAAYYY too many fools writing both promotional blurbs and > critical horseshit who simply haven't done their homework >> > > At least they give Joni credit on her guitar work in "California" once in a > while! > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:51:55 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! In a message dated 9/23/2003 4:22:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy writes: > "California" isn't the > song Rolling Stone mentioned as being one of Joni's best > examples of her guitar > work, is it? No, they chose "All I Want", which has as much guitar as "Fiddle & The Drum". Bob NP: Emmylou, "Cup Of Kindness" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:55:40 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Boy is my face red... Hi gang, Just a quick note (I hope this was obvious anyway): when someone mentioned admiring my and Mingus' fortitude, etc., and I made the seemingly callous remark that "we haven't heard much from him since '79", I obviously wasn't referring to *David* M., who just sent me a lovely note, I was referring to the great Charles M. And in retrospect, given the hell he went through, it was a callous remark in any context. Apologies to anyone who was offended. Maybe my new screen name shoulda been Bigf**kingfauxpas@aol.com. Must be the Irish in me -- speak before you think. love to all, walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:01:48 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Geffen Demos, out of the bag..... The liner notes look like fun, actually, and the booklet is very nice, though mostly filled with familair images/graphics. What little I've read has made sense to me since I can hear JM's voice in my head, etc. I'm not sure how it will read to someone who isn't familair with how she thinks. Not sure where these 'rare photographs' are...but, each CD comes in it's own sleeve with the original cover art. My copies of all 4 releases have, up until now, been vinyl, so it's not SUCH an outrageous/useless purchase for me. Overall, it's an elegantly presented little box. But all it's really succeeded in doing is making me jones for a REAL box with shitloads of outakes and demos. Hejira/DJRD/Mingus demos....we know they're out there. Now THAT would be something. - -C - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ""Christopher Treacy"" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Geffen Demos, out of the bag..... > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:20:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whizzboom@comcast.net writes: > > > Well, in a nutshell... > > Thanks for the review Chris...any take on the liner notes yet? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:04:29 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #478 In a message dated 9/22/03 12:01:11 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << Does anyone know of Joni covering any of Laura's songs and vice versa? I couldnt think of any. This question came up over dinner last night when Mrs. Brei and I were listening to Laura Nyro in San Francisco (thanks Uncle John!) >> Hey, Brei, Funny you should mention this -- I'm always looking for connections between my big four -- Joni, Laura, Bacharach and jimmy Webb. I've had no luck so far with any direct connections between Joni and Laura. (Joni and Bacharach via Grace of My Heart, Laura and Bacharach cuz she sang Walk On By and the almost totally unknown Be Aware, Laura, Bach and Jimmy Webb cuz the Fifth dimension sang hits by all three of them (!)-- but to my knowledge, never sang anything by Joni). Looking forward to hearing of other possible connections, hugs to you andth' wife, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:15:19 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Joni 's Geffen releases I wish Joni Mitchell would go ahead and write that damn autobiography. This is a nice packaged set - with a few demos - the best being Two Grey Rooms. But it is worth the price to read Ms. Mitchell's notes about many of the tracks - I laughed out loud a few times - and was rather stunned (again) with some insights and a few answered questions. She has such the gift for prose as well as the brilliant conversationalist, well known fact. Also a nice perspective comes into focus with the four disks. An odd capsule of sorts...since they are a foursome now. I hope Dog Eat Dog somehow, someday has its day in the sun - it is so good. I also picked up Rufus Wainwright's Want. I think he is a remarkable artist. I give him another A. And is anyone out there into Erykah Badu??? Her new World Wide Underground gets another A. Goose bumps from both. Brittany is next!!! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:45:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Fw: is sam shepard coyote? you've convinced me detective wally! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:56:31 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Hosl Well, three more days and continuous play of this album leave me empty and I still don't get it. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! --- Richard Flynn wrote: > ICE Magazine has this blurb about the box: > >... Otherwise, these masters have > never been touched." A > candid introductory note by Mitchell, her insightful > liner notes (where she > individually addresses 90% of the tracks) and rare > photos from the Dog Eat > Dog and Night Ride Home sessions - all housed within > an 88-page booklet - > fill out the collection. > http://www.icemagazine.com/cubes/cubes_198.shtm#joni This is likely the reason I might, eventually, at some point, after it goes on sale, yadayada, buy it. Or maybe Santa will bring it for Christmas. Oh yeah, I am Santa, aren't I? Dang! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:13:19 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Geffen Demos, out of the bag..... Christopher- Thanks for the comments on the new Joni. I was at Tower this afternoon and held it my hot hands, but I resisted $38 for the time being as money is too tight to mention. It looks like a nice package tho. I can't wait to hear these new tracks and see and read the new stuff. I did have some nice presents waiting at home when I got here (slurp of a big martini thanks Steve I am still pending the wagon thanks to you and Bob). The new Dave Matthews with my buddies Brian, Brady, and Tony playing in the band. It's really a nice record, but dark in most places. Also thanks to Ron in South Africa for the new music from over that way. And I got a new Warren Zevon/ Jackson Browne Boot which is always nice. Ah new music!!!!! Best Paz NP- An' Another Thing-Dave Matthew's > Well, in a nutshell... > > It's "Two Grey Rooms" the dipthong mix, > and "Baby Blue" is almost exactly the same chord progression as NRH's title > track, but still pretty cool. One can easily see that there's absolutely no > way both tracks could've been included on the same release (they're almost > identical...it's amazing the way she 'joni-izes' it compared to, let's say, > Judy Collins' beautiful early 90's version...). > > "Good Friends" is the winner of the lot (I had a feeling). As the track ended, > I found myself saying aloud "They should've left these just the way they > were." Between this demo and the 3 piano/vocal tracks on Rock's Master Class > (1985), you can get a real feel for what could've been a stellar JM album. Oh > well, I guess we're lucky to even have those 4. > > The lyrics and phrasings on the GF demo are different - "Synchronized & Vital" > as opposed to "Synchronized Like Magic". I'll be rotating it heavy for a > while. > > -Chris > The liner notes look like fun, actually, and the booklet is very nice, though mostly filled with familair images/graphics. What little I've read has made sense to me since I can hear JM's voice in my head, etc. I'm not sure how it will read to someone who isn't familair with how she thinks. Not sure where these 'rare photographs' are...but, each CD comes in it's own sleeve with the original cover art. My copies of all 4 releases have, up until now, been vinyl, so it's not SUCH an outrageous/useless purchase for me. Overall, it's an elegantly presented little box. But all it's really succeeded in doing is making me jones for a REAL box with shitloads of outakes and demos. Hejira/DJRD/Mingus demos....we know they're out there. Now THAT would be something. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:09:31 -0400 From: Subject: Home studio I think I heard her in an interview saying DOG EAT DOG was her most expensive album ever. I think she said she ran up tons of billable studio time while reigning in Thomas Dolby. As an economy move, she built the studio, but of course, the Company never tried to push a Producer on her against her will again. Anyway, I think that was in the interview at THE WORLD CAFE so maybe it's already in the JMDL archive. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:30:41 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Joni on A&E Jerry, thanks for the info on the photos and your other comments - I had so much to do that night and stumbled on the Janis bio and was glued to the set - both bios were incredibly well crafted and a lot of great context and new (to me) info - if anyone ever gets the chance to see these (part of the Women Who Rock series) please watch them - these are far, far above the usual tv fare. Vince Jerry Notaro wrote: >On 9/22/03 9:19 PM, "vince" wrote: > > > >>Yeah and Joni was on A&E last Friday? Saturday? They did a bio on Janis >>(there is only one Janis and she is from Port Arthur Texas) and a bio on >>Mama Cass and lots of face time from Crosby and Nash saying Mama Cass >>put CSN together and sings on the first album and how Cass' was the >>place to hang out and several pictures of Joni with Cass and C and N all >>partying, nice pics. One pic I think Joni had a dulcimer but could >>be wrong. But the Joni pictures were happy smiley partying Joni. >> >> > >Those great photos were thanks to great Henry Diltz. When I went to see >Dream a Little Dream off Broadway there was a Henry Diltz photo exhibit >which had several wonderful shots of Joni. > > > >>Both bios were excellent. There was footage on both that I have never >>seen before and really intelligent insights for a change. If I arise >>from poverty, I shall buy those two cds from A&E. >> >> > >They sure were excellent. I was a big fan of both, who were closer in >culture than most people knew. > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:35:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Darice Subject: Fw: Garrin Benfield Southern Cal Dates Start Please try and see Garrin....He is very talented (and quite a nice person). Darice Return-Path: Received: from affinity-3pmvlr ([207.36.18.54]) by watson.mail.atl.earthlink.net (Earthlink Mail Service) with ESMTP id 1a1Xay5Cz3Nl3qW0 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by affinity-3pmvlr with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:07:29 -0700 From: "garrin.com" To: Subject: Garrin Benfield Southern Cal Dates Start Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:07:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2003 00:07:29.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8262C40:01C3822F] Hello Friends of Garrin Benfield, Begining Wednesday night (9/24), Garrin will begin the final leg of his West Coast Tour. If you know folks in the following towns, please tell them to come to the shows! If you happen to live somewhere along the route, we hope to see you! As always, check out www.garrin.com for more details and pretty pictures. Wednesday 9/24/03 7:30 pm Zoey's Main St @ Oak Ventura, CA Solo Acoustic with Raechel Sedacca Thursday 9/25/03 7pm House Concert Santa Barbara, CA Solo Acoustic with Nicola Gordon For reservations: (805) 687-2035 Friday 9/26/03 8pm Ojai Brew Pub 423 E. Ojai Ave. #101 Ojai, CA Solo Acoustic Saturday 9/27/03 8pm Hot Monkey Love 5960 El Cajon Blvd.San Diego, CA Solo Acoustic Sunday 09/28/03 6pm Westwood Brewing Co 1097 Glendon Blvd, Westwood CA Solo Acoustic as part of Acoustic Live- "Battle of the Bands/Songwriting Competition" Sunday 09/28/03 9:30pm Genghis Cohen 740 N. Fairfax Ave. Los Angeles, CA Solo Acoustic Garrin will be touring the East Coast in October. For details, check www.garrin.com A Note From garrin.com - -Thanks to all of you for sending friends out to the shows! We are growing fast but WE NEED YOUR HELP! We are building a community and everybody who likes the music and is into the scene is welcome. So, if you''ve got friends in one of these towns, send 'em out to the shows! - -A Suggestion.... Throw a party at the show! Invite your friends out for a night of good times, good music and good lovin'... If you need help, let us know and we'll pitch in! - -See ya at the show! garrin.com __________________________________________________________ Click on the link below to be removed from the mailing list http://www.garrin.com/maillist/mailing_list/remove.asp?ID=da316241461209408 Powered by Web Wiz Mailing List version 3.02 - http://www.webwizguide.info ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:36:30 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Home studio Right, but I think NRH was the first home recording...CMIARS was done at Peter Gabriel's, right? - -C - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Home studio > I think I heard her in an interview saying DOG EAT DOG was her most expensive album ever. > > I think she said she ran up tons of billable studio time while reigning in Thomas Dolby. As an economy move, she built the studio, but of course, the Company never tried to push a Producer on her against her will again. > > Anyway, I think that was in the interview at THE WORLD CAFE so maybe it's already in the JMDL archive. > > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:38:26 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's reel-to-reel << From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: please refresh my dim old memory Here are my questions: In "Coyote" Joni sings about getting home with her reel-to-reel and that made me think about the fact that she once had a home recording studio, didn't she? --Bob >> Hi, Bob. I don't know anything about Joni having a home recording studio but keep in mind one thing: LOTS of folks had reel-to-reel tape machines when they were younger... including ME! There were plenty of them in use throughout the '50's & '60's and Joni and I are about the same age. (Uhhh... I STILL have one in working condition.) What I'm suggesting is that maybe Joni was referring to a regular home reel-to-reel deck in the song (although I don't doubt that she may have had a home studio.) Kenny B (Anxiously awaiting the Sept 23rd release of the new Rufus Wainwright album. Hey, THIS is Sept. 23rd... I've got to stop off at a store tomorrow after work!) P.S. The techies at AOL got my system working again but I've lost ALL my saved e-mails that I received and sent. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:45:58 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Boxed in Birthday Bob listed as unrecorded 20 Joni songs > Ballad In Blue > CARA'S CASTLE > DAISY SUMMER PIPER > Endless Summer > Free Darling > GEMINI TWIN > HERE TODAY, GONE TOMORROW > I WON'T CRY > JEREMY > Julie's Mom > Kelly > Lazy Summer > LOVE IS LIKE A BIG BRASS BAND > MIDNIGHT COWBOY SONG, THE > MIDSUMMER MORNING > MOON IN THE MIRROR > POOR SAD BABY > STRAW-FLOWER ME > What Will You Give Me > WHO HAS SEEN THE WIND > That's a big CD full - it is hard to imagine that these are all uncaptured on a live recording. Six of them (Jeremy, A Melody in Your Name, Moon in the Mirror, Poor Sad Baby, Straw-Flower Me and Who Has Seen the Wind) are in "Music of Joni Mitchell Song Book", published in 1969. How did you come to know that the others even exist ? Of the others, even though many are on Second Fret sets, I thought that if they stood alone (instead of side by side with recorded songs) they would make an interesting CD. And I would love to see a complete set list. Those that I have in one form or another (mostly that you sent me) include these 19 (not certain all are Joni's songs): Ballerina Valerie Blue on Blue Born to Take the Highway Brandy Eyes Carnival in Kenora Come to The Sunshine Dr. Junk Eastern Rain Go Tell the Drummer Man Hunter (The Good Samaritan) Just like Me London Bridge Mr. Blue My Favorite Color (Love) ????:(Hers ? Correct Title) Play Little David, Play The Gift of the Magi The Way it Is Winter lady Yarrow That would fill a CD - and I would enjoy having it as a stand-alone item - but you imply there are more. Could you list a few of the others when you have a chance? Best Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:10:47 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Complete Geffen Recordings", Due Tuesday! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> 1982's Wild Things Run Fast, which reflected her growing >> interest >> in jazz music; > I agree with this statement. Outside of 'Mingus' I think 'WTRF' is her jazziest album. 'Moon at the Window', 'Ladies Man', 'Be Cool', 'Solid Love', 'You Dream Flat Tires', 'Man to Man' - all sound pretty 'jazzy' to my ears. 'Mingus' was only partially Joni's project. She talked about being shoved into jazz and paddling around in water over her head. WTRF was getting back to *Joni's* music and yeah, she was still exploring jazz. AND WTRF IS NOT A COLLECTION OF HAPPY POPPY LOVE SONGS! Ok, rant mode off. Still feisty and contrary as ever, Mark somewhere in Washington State ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:29:21 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: PR blitz for the Mitch's Bday I am thinking we could be sending out little innocent emails to our favourite radio stations and such, to gently remind them of the significance of this upcoming November 7th. Perhaps we can engender some interesting Joni tribute radio segments and get some Joni tunes on the airwaves! Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:34:01 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #478 I've had no > luck so far with any direct connections between Joni and Laura. > (Joni and Bacharach via Grace of My Heart, Laura and Bacharach cuz > she sang Walk On By and the almost totally unknown Be Aware, Laura, > Bach and Jimmy Webb cuz the Fifth dimension sang hits by all three of > them (!)-- but to my knowledge, never sang anything by Joni). > > Looking forward to hearing of other possible connections, > Don't know if this counts or not, Walt, but on Barbra Streisand's 'Stoney End' album she performs the title track and also 'I Don't Know Where I Stand'. She also does 'Hands Off the Man (the Flim Flam Man)' and 'Time and Love' on that album. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:45:35 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Hosl Not even DITS? Harry's house? See Lama. Bree >Well, three more days and continuous play of this album leave me empty and >I >still don't get it. > >mack _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:13:43 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: "IT's All Over Now Baby Blue? Well, After staying awake most of the night in anticipation of "Joni Mitchell The Complete Geffen Recordings," then hurrying to feed cats, do shots, take meds, bandage toe, run to the local Best Buy, I'm told after a computer search "Oh we didn"t get that in, no one put it on the list." Darn now I have to drive all the way to Miami for doctors appointment at 2pm with no new Joni release. After I finished up my appointment by asking to see the Yellow Pages, I find the Best Buy pages, I hurriedly rip the page out, run down to the parking lot, which is looking onto Biscyane Bay which is about 8 blocks north from where her and Crosby played on the Myan, where "The Dawntreader" , "Cactus Tree" ( down US-1 to the Keys there actually is a Cactus Tree Motel) not to mention "Songs To A Seagull" were conceived I find it so inspiring to be calling like crazy from that location. I finally find one at the Southwest section of the city when I have to go North to get back to Fort Myres. It's for Joni who cares, it's now rush hour, stop and go for miles, I've never missed a release date for her. Well, I read the liner notes on the way home, not nearly the descriptive intro I would expect Joni to paint I found it descriptively lacking, as well as the liner notes on the songs." Moon At The Window ", " Tax Free", " Two Grey Rooms" , "Good Friends",and "The windfall", were the only descriptive landscapes painted, A bit of a let down to say the least. I already have all of the CD"s even WTRF, so why do I need them again for a total of $55.71 with tax, for the new tracks, New Art work, and rare photos. Well, I've seen the paintings except for one (pages 34-35), and all the photos I've seen except a sunset( must be a message in there) on page 53 and a few new wolf shots. When I got home I put the head phones on as not to irritate Rolls, and listened to the bonus tracks. "Two Grey Rooms" was somewhat interesting in a slow skatt way, but not worth a bonus maybe an inclusion, "Good friends was alittle sparse and choppy [I like the one on the WTRF CD better) but "It's All Over Now Baby Blue" was the show stopper for me. It was beautiful, but 1 new song cost me $55.71 and I'm on Disability. Come on Joan! It just ain't what I expected. But I do love the 80's stuff back out there again especially "Dog Eat Dog" in light of what is happening to our country because of that Idiot in the White House. A nice package but not much new. Still no one else compares. But maybe it really is all over now baby blue? Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:24:10 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 24 On September 24 the following articles were published: 1997: "Feud Takes A Public Turn" - Dallas Morning News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=73 1998: "New Stripes" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=327 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #298 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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