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onlyJMDL Digest     Saturday, September 20 2003     Volume 2003 : Number 294



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: breaking down                     [Susan Guzzi <groovchacha@yahoo.com>]
  Re: the last waltz, joni on poetry(ljc)                [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com]
  Re:  Judie Tzuke in Britain                     [ash <millsac@bigpond.com>]
  First lines                          [Catherine Finn <catiefinn@yahoo.com>]
  Re: First lines                                         [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  Sylvia's Birth Day and other things.                   [MINGSDANCE@aol.com]
  Re: First lines                       [Susan Guzzi <groovchacha@yahoo.com>]
  Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain      [Andrew Smith <andy.smith@iracema.com>]
  Re: Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain          ["kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>]
  Re: First lines               ["StephenToogood" <amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk>]
  Calling Michael Paz!                             ["hell" <hell@ihug.co.nz>]
  Re: First lines                   [Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
  Clouds in other words              ["Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>]
  Re: Clouds in other words/Ginny Woolf                  [Murphycopy@aol.com]
  Stevie agrees with Joni                     ["kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>]
  Today's Library Links: September 20                      [ljirvin@jmdl.com]

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:28:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Susan Guzzi <groovchacha@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: breaking down

Well I am the biggest freaking cry baby - speaking of keeping up a butch image! Sheesh Bob - didnt know you were butch.  But anyyway, when Joni appeared on Letterman and did "Sex Kills," not having actually seen her in many years ... I burst into tears.  Robin was on the phone with our two friends Dan and Chris and Chris was doing the same thing as me - there was a beauty and sweetness to that night I will never forget.
 
Then in October of 98, my ex took me to see Joni and Bobbi D - this was 2 months after Robin died - I cried through the whole show!!!!  But there was comfort in it and healing too much as I could at that time.  So yes Joni break downs  - I have been there - and yes there is comfort in melancholy.  
 
Peace,
Susan

SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:
Still, I don't remember crying at too many concerts as I have to
keep up my macho butch image in public doncha know. :~)
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:44:01 EDT
From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com
Subject: Re: the last waltz, joni on poetry(ljc)

<<At 10.20am today on a Tasmania local radio station
A half hour review of the NEW DVD (4 disc set)
Of
the 'Last Waltz' by the Band by Aussie icon reviewer Glen A. Baker>>

this was the video in which i spoke of joni doing a most wonderful version of 
"coyote"  I talked about it last week , i believe i called it "the last 
dance".  i saw this 150 years ago( i'm not exaggerating ...lol...well maybe a 
little)...see it,love is. with joni, van the man, muddy waters, levon helms and the 
band, emmylou harris and many other great perfomances, it is not to be 
missed. thank you ash, for being my memory.

bob wrote:

<<One of the reasons I 
love Joni so much is for her "poetry," and I wish I knew of a bunch of others 
who 
wrote as well.>>

bob, i'm not sure, but i found  this the other day, tell me what you think, 
maybe there are some "good poets" left, then again, maybe I just like this and 
wish to find out who wrote it.

"spew,vomit,bile!
Vile! Vile! Vile!
Let the
sticks and stones
break my bones
Just 
keep your words
to yourself.
Keep you mouth shut
till your mind
can open up,
till you soul
glows bright
with the colors
of the Master Potter.
Heart of stone
leave me alone
till love's fire
melts you down,
then burn me
at the stake.
Don't touch me
with the breath
that passes
through you lips,
bite off my 
ears instead.
Beat me dead
beat me dead
just don't let
your poison language
come inside my head.
Hate me
with a passion
with 
the devil's anger
and hell's diease
just don't love me
even simply
and say
those things
to me."

am i kidding myself or what?
peace
that fool noel
NP: Sire of sorrows

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:00:33 +1000
From: ash <millsac@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re:  Judie Tzuke in Britain

Subject: More Tour Info - Judie Tzuke

I was sent an email about the wonderful British Singer called Judie Tzuke,
she has been around since 1979 and her big hit was  'Stay With Me Till
Dawn'..well she is on tour in Britain
and this is what I was sent.......

Thank you

dated 19th September 2003
Ash




Hello Everyone,

Just a quick update on how the tour is going. The first three nights
went very well. We've had loads of very complimentary emails and
messages. This is great as it really helps Judie and sets her up in a
great state of mind for the rest of the tour. Thanks to all of those
responsible.

Tonight we are in Worcester Huntingdon Hall always a lovely venue
(almost sold out, a few tickets left). On Sunday we are in Birmingham
at the Old Rep theatre, this show will be starting at 7:30pm and Jude
is doing two sets so there is no support, a few people have been
caught out by the two set strategy (thinking they are only missing the
support), then finding they have missed half an hour of Judie. If
anyone is worried about the Birmingham gig finishing to late (as it is
a Sunday) the show will finish around 9:40pm.

Looking forwards to seeing loads of you at Leeds and Newcastle on
Monday and Tuesday nights.

Further to my last mail, Judie has decided that we should go ahead
with all of the gigs even if they aren't doing so well as she doesn't
want to let down those of you who have booked tickets. She always
hates it when a gig has to be cancelled. Hopefully the less busy gigs
will pick up in particular, Birmingham, Bognor and London on Sunday
night.

We have had a few enquiries as to the last track of 'Beauty Of
Hindsight' and yes it is meant to do what it does (I don't want ruin
the surprise for those who haven't heard it).


Hope this finds you well,

Jamie

Beauty Of Hindsight Tour (Remaining Gigs)
September 2003

Fri 19th, Worcester Huntingdon Hall, 01905 611427,
www.huntingdonhall.com
Sun 21st, Birmingham The Old Rep Theatre, 0121 236 5622,
www.birmingham.gov.uk/oldrep
Mon 22nd, Leeds City Varieties Music Hall, 0113 243 0808,
www.cityvarieties.co.uk
Tue 23rd, Newcastle Opera House, 0191 232 0899,
www.newcastleoperahouse.org
Thu 25th, Bognor Regis Alexandra Theatre, 01243 862020,
www.alexandratheatre.co.uk
Fri 26th, Maidstone Hazlitt Theatre, 01622 758611
Sat 27th, London Bush Hall, 020 8222 6933, www.bushhallmusic.co.uk
Sun 28th, London Bush Hall, 020 8222 6933, www.bushhallmusic.co.uk
Mon 29th, Wavendon The Stables, 01908 280800, www.stables.org

'The Beauty of Hindsight - Vol. 1' will initially be available at the
concerts and will be released via mail order on the 13th of October.



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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:54:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Catherine Finn <catiefinn@yahoo.com>
Subject: First lines

I am new to this list, and a Joni desciple (sp?)  I am a beginning songwriter and among the many things that blows me away about Joni is her knack for wrting a really great first line.  Meaning, a line that commands you to keep listening.  My favorites:
 
Sitting in a park in Paris France reading the news and it sure looks bad
 
Woke up it was a Chelsea Morning and the first thing that I heard was a song outside my window and the traffic wrote the words.
 
I came upon a child of God, he was walking along the road. . .
 
The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68 and he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday. . .
 
 
 
Anyone have favorites to add?
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:12:49 EDT
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: First lines

<Anyone have favorites to add?

Hi Catie, & welcome to the JMDL...we actually just did this thread about a 
week ago, but maybe some of the folks who didn't chime in then will want to now. 
Anyway, the opening line from "California" instantly made me think of this 
spring when I went to NYC to see Symphony Space's "Wall to Wall Joni 
Mitchell"...as it turned out this was the Saturday after Dubya started his Rambo 
impersonation (Rambya?), invaded Iraq and became a global terrorist in his own right, 
and there was a big peace march planned for that day. When jazz/cabaret singer 
Sylvia McNair sang that line in a slow, emotional way it was chilling...a 
reminder of how Joni's music is still (sadly) relevant & resonant and will always 
be so, and why many of us have been fans for all these years...

Thanks for the intro, sorry for the political rant, and look forward to 
hearing more from ya'!

Bob

NP: Primal Scream, "Keep Your Dreams"

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:39:05 EDT
From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com
Subject: Sylvia's Birth Day and other things.

  Today Sylvia Tyson (IAN and Sylvia) is 63. Happy Birth Day! Also isn't 
Kay's Birth Day today, or is this the date of her show tonight? Anyway Happy 
Birthday Kay! And whom ever else's it may be?

Other things:
  Mags,
  Your post was so beautiful and touched so wonderfully on the whole process 
of allowing other's in with their offerings of help and sorrow. The things 
this list has done for me in the last few years, and twice now gathering with 
different groups of you has been a true inspiration in my health issues right 
now.  Mags, I've planted a Plumeria (Frangipani) tree for David (and you) in the 
yard. Their blooms are used to make "lays" in Hawaii to say "Welcome to Our 
Home." They have a beautiful sweet fragrance, I planted one with a white (for 
purity) flower on it. Because of you David is now part of our home. Godspeed in 
your healing!
    Lucy your post was just as incredible! I've saved it to my Jonifest file, 
such great direct wisdom. I too choose to hang out with these people for 
exactly the same reason. Joni has been the inspiration for all of our lives and 
has inspired thousands more. Her insight into human emotion and condition, 
sorrow, world hunger, the innocence in the Earth, pollution, corporate and 
political greed and corruption, the layered meaning of life with her lyrics for each 
to interpret in what they mean to them, the true value of "love," in-spite of 
all of these obstacles in life, and trying to get though it with a good heart. 
  Boy do I feel Blessed for all of this, and you.
  I hope you all have survived "Isabel" without damage or loss.

Have a Wonderful Day!
Mingus

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:42:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Susan Guzzi <groovchacha@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: First lines

Welcome Catie!!!
 
We talk alot about syncronicity here ... and it seems you are gonna fit right in, cause as Bob mentioned,  we just barely finished this same thread - how funny is that?!!  But I'll throw another one or two out there
 
1. Peridots and periwinkles blue medallions, gilded galleons spilled across the ocean floor
( I love the visual - like brush strokes across a canvas and just the sound of the words strung together)
 
2. Love came to my door with a sleeping roll and a madman's soul, he thought for sure i'd seen him ...
 
And then so many that were mentioned; Last time I saw Richard ..., All I Want,  Chelsea Morning and my original choice  - Once in awhile in a big blue moon , there comes a night like this ..
 
Thanks for speaking up Catie, looks like we're on the same page!  Looking forward to more from you.
 
Peace,
Susan


SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:

Hi Catie, & welcome to the JMDL...we actually just did this thread about a 
week ago, but maybe some of the folks who didn't chime in then will want to now. 
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:17:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Smith <andy.smith@iracema.com>
Subject: Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain

Hi folks:
I am going to be in LA over this weekend, and I have
some spare time in which I wanted to make a
"pilgrimage" to Laurel Canyon!  Does anyone know any
sites associated with JM that are worth a drive-by? 
Let me know and thanks
Andy Smith
Greenbrae, CA

=====
Andrew J. Smith
104 Bretano Way
Greenbrae, CA  94904-1302 USA
andy.smith@iracema.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:27:25 -0700
From: "kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>
Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain

Hi Andrew,

I wish I could send you the watercolor map from Henry Diltz's Under The
Covers CD-R which roughly shows where many musicians lived in the
neighborhood.  All I can suggest is driving up Laurel Canyon Blvd. and
stopping in at the Canyon general store there.  That was the main
neighborhood meeting place back in the 60s.  A friend of mine chatted with
Joni standing in line at the check-out counter there back in the late 60s.
He was staying in LC with a friend for a couple days because he had to come
up to L.A. to meet with the Draft Board and keep his student deferment
status and told Joni all about it.  The store has lots of old photos of many
60s notables, mostly Jim Morrison and the Doors as I recall.  Morrison's
former home is right behind the store - a big redwood house.  There is also
a great restaurant there named Pace (Pahtch-ay) that used to be some other
notable place.  Ask the guys at the store - they have a wealth of local
history ;-)  If you turn left on Lookout Mountain Avenue you will be on the
street where Joni, Crosby, Nash, Zappa, Fogleberg and many others lived.
There's not much to see - most of the houses are pretty rustic and the
foliage is overgrown but you can check it out.  Further up Laurel Canyon is
Mama Cass's house.

Hope you have a great time in L.A.!

Kakki

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:18:37 +0100
From: "StephenToogood" <amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: First lines

Hi Catherine, welcome to the list.

Yes this thread is great and 'California' is a worthy choice. You just know
what it is instantly.

Here's another one I love: "All the people at this party, they gotta' lot of
style".

**************
Steve T

amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk

"Red is autumn green is summer
 Greens are turning and the sand"


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Catherine Finn" <catiefinn@yahoo.com>
To: <joni@smoe.org>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:54 PM
Subject: First lines


> I am new to this list, and a Joni desciple (sp?)  I am a beginning
songwriter and among the many things that blows me away about Joni is her
knack for wrting a really great first line.  Meaning, a line that commands
you to keep listening.  My favorites:
>
> Sitting in a park in Paris France reading the news and it sure looks bad
>
> Woke up it was a Chelsea Morning and the first thing that I heard was a
song outside my window and the traffic wrote the words.
>
> I came upon a child of God, he was walking along the road. . .
>
> The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68 and he told me all
romantics meet the same fate someday. . .
>
>
>
> Anyone have favorites to add?
> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:44:54 +1200
From: "hell" <hell@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Calling Michael Paz!

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I've been trying to send a message to Paz
off-list, and it keeps bouncing back!

Can you please write back to me?

Thanks!

Hell
___________________________________
"To have great poets, there must be great
  audiences too." - Walt Whitman

Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED!
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: First lines

 --- Catherine Finn <catiefinn@yahoo.com> wrote: > I
am new to this list, and a Joni desciple (sp?)  I
> am a beginning songwriter and among the many things
> that blows me away about Joni is her knack for
> wrting a really great first line.  Meaning, a line
> that commands you to keep listening.  My favorites:
>  

Welcome to the list, Catherine (I like the way you
spell your name.)

If it's opening lines you're after, I didn't join in
this when it came up a week or two ago, so here you
go:

- - I hired a coach to take me from confusion to the
plane / And though we shared a common space I know
we'll never meet again

- - Peridots and periwinkle blue medallions
Gilded galleons spilled across the ocean floor 

- - You could have been more than a name on the door
On the thirty-third floor in the air

- - I am on a lonely road and I am traveling...
Searching for something. What can it be?

- - Just before our love got lost you said
"I am as constant as a northern star" 
And I said "Constantly in the darkness 
Where's that at?

- - Papa's faith is people
Mama she believes in cleaning

That's only the first few albums... and (as always)
you know, there may be more.


=====
Catherine 
Toronto
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction




______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:24:51 -0700
From: "Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: Clouds in other words

From Virginia Woolf's 'Mrs. Dalloway':

"A puff of wind (in spite of the heat, there was quite a wind) blew a
thin black veil over the sun and over the Strand.  The faces faded;
the omnibuses suddenly  lost their glow.  For although  the clouds
were of mountainous white so that one could fancy hacking hard chips
off with a hatchet, with broad golden slopes, lawns of celestial
pleasure gardens, on their flanks, and had all the appearance of
settled habitations assembled for the conference of gods above the
world, there was a perpetual movement among them.  Signs were
interchanged, when, as if to fulfil some scheme arranged already, now
a summit dwindled, now a whole block of pyramidal size which had kept
its station inalterably advanced into the midst or gravely led the
procession to fresh anchorage.  Fixed though they seemed at their
posts, at rest in perfect unanimity, nothing could be fresher, freer,
more sensitive superficially than the snow-white or gold-kindled
surface; to change, to go, to dismantle the solemn assemblage was
immediately possible; and in spite of the grave  fixity, the
accumulated robustness and solidity, now they struck light to the
earth, now darkness."

When I read this passage recently I of course thought of 'Both Sides
Now'.  There is even a hint of duality at the very end of Woolf's
passage.  My first thought was 'Oh for God's sake!  Joni described
clouds in just a few brief lines.  Who would ever think about them in
this convoluted way?'  But I've come to the conclusion that Virginia
was trying to put impressions and mental pictures into words that her
characters didn't necessarily verbalize even to themselves in their
own heads.  Just feelings and images lurking below the surface of
conscious thought....  It's almost like...dare I say it?....poetry.

Joni probably wouldn't like Woolf.

Is it any wonder that I'm so f*****g verbose in my posts when I read
stuff like this???

Mark

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:19:35 EDT
From: Murphycopy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Clouds in other words/Ginny Woolf

Mark writes:

<< When I read this passage recently I of course thought of 'Both Sides Now'. 
>>

Me, too! That why I transcribed that SAME passage and posted it to the JMDL 
when I was reading "Mrs. Dalloway" last spring, I think it was. I went to the 
archives to try to retrieve my post, but the search function is gone. (When did 
this happen? Les, I want my money back!) 

As for Joni not liking Virginia, I am not so sure about that, Mark. As you 
said, "It's almost like...dare I say it?....poetry." I agree, and I also think 
it doesn't have the "guile" and "posturing" Joni finds objectionable. I 
realized recently that I am finding a lot more "poetry" in prose, than in "poetry." 
"Dalloway" is amazing. I have never read anything quite like it, not even other 
books by Ms. Woolf. The narrative just flits by so effortlessly, like a 
butterfly, in and out of the consciousness of the book's characters. How the hell 
does she do that? 

When I finished "Dalloway" I went right into "The Hours" by Michael 
Cunningham at Patrick's suggestion. You may consider doing the same. "The Hours" is 
also great and -- like most books -- better than the movie that was made from it. 

    --Bob

NR: "Nine Stories" by J. D. Salinger. (Isn't he still alive and hiding out in 
New Hampshire? If so, I am wondering if he's planning to posthumously publish 
whatever he's been working on for the last 40+ years. I wonder if Joni would 
like him. They would probably find a lot to talk about, such as fame and the 
music and book businesses!) 

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:28:58 -0700
From: "kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>
Subject: Stevie agrees with Joni

This has no direct Joni content but here we now have Stevie Nicks grumbling
about Britney, Christina, Madonna, et al, just like Joni.  Heehee.

http://entertainment.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4459,7311176%255E10431%
255E%255Enbv,00.html

Excerpt:

Original rock chick Nicks, 55, said Spears and Christina Aguilera should
wear more clothes and try writing decent songs.

"I personally have never been to a strip club, but I turn on MTV and see in
every single video what it must be like to be at a strip club," Nicks said.

"I think the mystery is gone, and if you have no mystery, then you aren't
even sexy.

"Real sexuality and sensuality is in the music, and all these girls,
vis-a-vis, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and on and on, should go back
to writing songs and start over because it won't last and they won't last.

"When they are 55, they won't be around and that's sad because I think a lot
of those girls are very talented. But they are signing their own death
warrants."

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:43:33 -0400
From: ljirvin@jmdl.com
Subject: Today's Library Links: September 20

On September 20 the following articles were published:


1979: "Joni Mitchell: A Reaffirmation" - Los Angeles Commerce Tribune
    (Review - Concert) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=442
	

1987: "Dark Days For A Jazz Genius" - Miami Herald
    (Mention) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924
	

1996: "Mitchell enters hall of fame" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix
    (News Item) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=821
	

1996: "New Clubs Help Spread Folk Music Revival" - Detroit Free Press
    (Mention) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=916
	

1998: "Ani DiFranco Chats With the Iconic Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times
    (Interview) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=150
	

2001: "Harbourfront holds genius up to the light" - Toronto Globe and Mail
    (Opinion) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=682

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