From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #293 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 19 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 293 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Last Waltz [ash ] RE: Who Are You? [rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com] poets [Dave Cuneo ] "Complete Geffen Recordings", 5 days to go ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] about me ["Sue Cameron" ] breaking down ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: breaking down [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: breaking down [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni link! ["StephenToogood" ] Re: 11 songs ["StephenToogood" ] RE: Joni's poetry "slam" ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: Joni's poetry "slam" (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Soho vs. SoHo (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Hmmm Joni plays Blue on Guitar?? [Gary Zack ] Re: who are you? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Today's Library Links: September 19 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Coyote Rick [CoyoteRick@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:11:01 +1000 From: ash Subject: The Last Waltz At 10.20am today on a Tasmania local radio station A half hour review of the NEW DVD (4 disc set) Of the 'Last Waltz' by the Band by Aussie icon reviewer Glen A. Baker Reviewer said this the best concert footage ever!! ...better than Woodstock, Monterey Pop, Gimme shelter and better than Song Remains the Same!! Said this video was the glory of American Rock n Roll and raved on and on!! and played Van the man at the end.. what a treat.....maybe there is some culture here? Heres hoping!! and at 11.00am people have rung the station...now Muddy Waters is on.... Manish Boy!!!!! der dum dum der dum ....dum oh no that is in my head and film trivia In the 'Right Stuff' the film about the space race in one scene when Sam Shepard's character (Chuck Y/Jaeger..sp) is trying to break the speed of sound thing the bloke who hands him a stick of gum and a broom handle.....wait!! so he can shut the canopy... is the drummer out of the Band...Richard Manuel...who the above reviewer of the 'Last Waltz' claims to be the greatest drummer ever!!! I have a blind lady friend Elaine Harris and she works on the radio station here as an announcer and yesterday she used a 3 second Joni sound byte with other music to intro her programme..so more hope! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 03:45:58 -0700 From: rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com Subject: RE: Who Are You? > 1. Are you male or female? Two Grey Rooms > > 2. Describe yourself. Don Juans Reckless Daughter (er....nephew....) > > 3. How do some people feel about you? Good Friends > > 4. How do you feel about yourself? A Strange Boy/ grateful for my Good Friends.... > > 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Michael From Mountains/Underneath The Streetlight > > 6. Describe Your Job Moon At The Window > > 7. Where would you rather be? Cotton Avenue > > 8. Describe what you want to be Myself: there is no Joni song for that > > 9. Describe how you live Chelsea Morning > > 10. Describe how you love Jericho > > 11. Share a few words of wisdom Happiness Is The Best Face Lift/Crazy Cries Of Love Fun! To #9, though, must be added: JMDL. Sometimes sad, sometimes sorry, but always vital and alive. Cheers and love, Roberto np. Iris DeMent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:27:53 -0400 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: poets Ciao Joniphiles, Hasn't Joni heard: "Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world". Ciao, dc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:31:42 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Complete Geffen Recordings", 5 days to go The Amazon site says it is due for release on Sept 23, 2003. Probably just in the US. Stay tuned for more details as they develop. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:10:37 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: "Complete Geffen Recordings", 5 days to go >The Amazon site says it is due for release on Sept 23, 2003. >Probably just in the US. Joni's first box set, and once again NO mention of it on JM.com...OH the shame of it all. Bob NP: XTC, "Scissor Man" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:40:59 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Two white men Hey--it was 1969, after all. I definitely think race & politics played a part--and maybe played a part in changing the lyrics later. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Bobsart48@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:05 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: emilianopd@mundo-r.com > Subject: Re: Two white men > > > In a message dated 9/14/03 3:00:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > > > BTW, my opinion about these "two white men / escorting me to > the hall" is > > about the fact that caucasian bodyguards must be more expensive > than black > > ones, don'T you? I must ask for apologies if you find my statatement > > etnically offensive. > > > > Have a Wonderful time! > > Emiliano > > I think she was just doing her usual thing with poetic contrast (red and > green, black and white, etc.) - naively without regard to any > political overtones. > Once she realized that, she changed the words. (to 'two > gentlemen', then 16 > gentlemen, then 'an entourage') > > Just my guess. > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:04:37 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: about me 1. Are you male or female? Winter Lady 2. Describe yourself. The Good Samaritan 3. How do some people feel about you? Trouble Child 4. How do you feel about yourself? The Only Joy in Town 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Trouble Man 6. Describe Your Job Barangrill 7. Where would you rather be? Paprika Plains 8. Describe what you want to be Tax Free 9. Describe how you live Happiness is the Best Facelift 10. Describe how you love Dreamland 11. Share a few words of wisdom Stay in Touch - -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:26:54 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: breaking down >But I think there's just such an indescribable experience when an artist >performs a favorite song of yours; it's amplified in the case where you've >loved someone and their work for so long and then you finally get to >see/hear them live, possibly for the first time. >It's like all that pent-up emotion flows out at once. >Kenny B Yes! This happenend to me in 1999 (I think it was) (Rochester, NY.) . . . . I didn't see it coming. I was at Joni's concert with 13 friends and when she started playing Amelia. I had no idea this was going to happen. . . . I broke down totally and started screaming and crying. . . . (I am laughing about it now). . . I just didn't expect her to sing this. . The only thing I could think to compare this to is : Did you ever see some of the footage from the Beatles concerts where the fans are going mad, breaking down and they can't contain themselves? Well, that was me. b r e a k d o w n I also made a big sign for that November evening. . .. it said, "Here's to YOU, Joni." (her song, "Here's to you, may your dreams come true. . . " I don't think she wrote this but I am not sure.) At a convenient time, 10 of us stood up and raised the sign and yelled, "HERE'S TO YOU JONI!" She had a glass in her hand at the time and she raised her glass to us! Here's to you Joni. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:26:13 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: breaking down It was 1998 Marianne...but no sweat about that, the circles they go 'round & 'round... And I know what you mean with the tears. When I saw her in Atlanta, (about 6 days after you saw her) I was expecting Amelia & Hejira, so even though those are both emotional songs I was prepared for them. What I wasn't prepared for was Song For Sharon & Both Sides Now, the latter of which brought tears, although I have to say that I didn't officially *break down* like the Beatles gals. Still, I don't remember crying at too many concerts as I have to keep up my macho butch image in public doncha know. :~) Bob NP: XTC, "Yacht Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:09:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: breaking down In a message dated 9/18/2003 1:27:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > What I wasn't prepared > for was Song For Sharon &Both Sides Now, the > latter of which brought tears, although I have to say that I > didn't officially *break down* like the Beatles gals. > That's not true Bob !!! I was sitting 6 rows behind you at the Atlanta concert, and I recall you letting out a real loud "girly" scream when the first note of BSN was heard. After sobbing through that entire encore, I saw you hugging IV Paul, then you threw your undies up on stage. I think I'd call that a *break down*. That's when I knew the JMDL was for me :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:10:12 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Joni link! Joni and her dissing is really funny and I don't always agree with what she is saying. She just can't help herself! Of course she is being just as honest as she is in her music. ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "StephenToogood" ; "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:43 AM Subject: Re: Joni link! > --- StephenToogood wrote: > > I don't know if any of you folks have seen this or > > it is in the JMDL > > library, but it's a nice article focusing on Joni's > > poetry with some photos > > I hadn't seen before. > > > > Check it out... > > > > > http://www.poetrymagazine.com/archives/2000/June-July00/classicpoet6-00.htm > > > > Stephen, I just finally got around to checking this > article out and here's our Joan up to her usual > dissing (you've gotta love that; oh, and that Freddy > Nietzsche - there's a real fun guy ;-) And I quote la > bella Juanita from the article: > > 'Her lyrics have been compared to the poems of Anne > Sexton and Sylvia Plath. > > 'But it is a comparison at which she bristles. "I > don't like a lot of poets, and that seems to annoy > people, that I'm dismissive of a lot of what they > think of as great poetry," she said, in a 1997 > interview with Stephen Holden. "I'm with Nietzsche on > the poets: 'The poet is the vainest of the vain, even > before the ugliest of water buffalo does he fan his > tail. I've looked among them for an honest man and all > I've dredged up are old gods' heads. He muddies his > waters that he might appear deep.'" > > '"What always bugged me about poetry in school was the > artifice of it. When Dylan wrote, 'You've got a lot of > nerve to say you are my friend,' as an opening line, > the language was direct and undeniable. I love Yeats. > As for Plath and Sexton, I'm sorry, but I smell a rat. > There was a lot of guile in the work, a lot of > posturing. It didn't really get down to the > nitty-gritty of the human condition. And there was the > suicide-chic aspect." > > > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:49:31 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: 11 songs This one's great... 1. Are you male or female? A Blue Boy 2. Describe yourself. A Strange Boy 3. How do some people feel about you? Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 4. How do you feel about yourself? Help Me 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner The Same Situation 6. Describe Your Job Day After Day 7. Where would you rather be? Sisotowbell Lane 8. Describe what you want to be Let The Wind Carry Me 9. Describe how you live Two Grey Rooms 10. Describe how you love All I Want 11. Share a few words of wisdom God Must Be A Boogie Man ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:43:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's poetry "slam" i am a pretty good poet, both in english and in spanish. seriously. wally > > Can anyone here recommend any good poets, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:45:44 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Joni's poetry "slam" (for AOL members) We're sure you are, amigo! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ; ; Enviado: jueves, 18 de septiembre de 2003 21:43 Asunto: RE: Joni's poetry "slam" > i am a pretty good poet, both in english and in spanish. seriously. > > wally > > > > Can anyone here recommend any good poets, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:31:15 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Hmmm Joni plays Blue on Guitar?? I found this on eBay and immediately saw something amiss - I don't believe we've ever heard Joni play Blue on guitar have we? See it here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3349365489&category=1421 I did send an e-mail to the seller letting him know that Blue is a PIANO song - :-) Best regards, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:59:35 +0200 From: "Fraser Morel" Subject: Re: Another Joni (and Tori) question from The Netherlands Thanks very much Bob. I'll try to get hold of "Spew U" and / or the CD-single. Regarding this comment: >River also appears on bootlegs ... got a live version from her Indy show of >2001 in our "covers" ...can you tell me more about this "covers" collection? Is this something I can purchase? Thanks. Fraser >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: fuzzypeach_nl@hotmail.com ("Fraser Morel"), joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Another Joni (and Tori) question from The Netherlands >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:39:51 -0400 > > > Does anyone know whether Tori Amos's live versions of River > > and A > > Case of You have been released? > >Tori HAS released the studio recording of ACOY, on a sampler >CD called "Spew U" and also as an extra track on a cd-single. > >There are a couple live versions floating around out there, >on ebay. I've not heard a live version yet that was any decent >quality. > >River also appears on bootlegs sold on ebay, no official >release of that one as far as I know. We've got a live version >from her Indy show of 2001 in our "covers" collection. > >Tori has also played Both Sides Now live, although to my >knowledge (and I'm no Tori expert) she's only done the first >verse as an intro to "Cloud On My Tongue". > >Hope that helps. > >Bob > >NP: The Dukes of Stratosphear, "Have You Seen Jackie?" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:15:10 -0700 From: jan Subject: Fwd: This is so cute > KIDS ON WHO TO MARRY! > > You got to find somebody who likes the same stuff. Like, if you like > sports, she should > like it that you like sports, and she should keep the chips and dip coming. > Alan, age 10 > > No person really decides before they grow up who they're going to marry. God > decides it all way before, and you get to find out later who you're stuck > with. > Kirsten, age 10 > > WHAT IS THE RIGHT AGE TO GET MARRIED? > > Twenty-three is the best age because you know the person FOREVER by then. > Camille, age 10 > > No age is good to get married at. You got to be a fool to get married. > Freddie, age 6 (Very wise for his age) > > HOW CAN A STRANGER TELL IF TWO PEOPLE ARE MARRIED? > > You might have to guess, based on whether they seem to be yelling at the same > > kids. > Derrick, age 8 > > WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR MOM AND DAD HAVE IN COMMON? > > Both don't want any more kids. > Lori, age 8 > > WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A DATE? > > Dates are for having fun, and people should use them to get to know each > other. Even boys have something to say if you listen long enough. > Lynnette, age 8 (Isn't she a treasure) > > On the first date, they just tell each other lies and that usually gets them > interested enough to go for a second date. > Martin, age 10 > > WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON A FIRST DATE THAT WAS TURNING > SOUR? > > I'd run home and play dead. The next day I would call all the newspapers and > make sure they wrote about me in all the dead columns. > Craig, age 9 > > WHEN IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE? > > When they're rich. > Pam, age 7 > > The law says you have to be eighteen, so I wouldn't want to mess with that. > Curt, age 7 > > The rule goes like this: If you kiss someone, then you should marry them and > have kids with them. It's the right thing to do. > Howard, age 8 > > IS IT BETTER TO BE SINGLE OR MARRIED? > I don't know which is better, but I'll tell you one thing. I'm never going to > > have sex with my wife. I don't want to be all grossed out. > Theodore, age 8 > > It's better for girls to be single but not for boys. Boys need someone to > clean up after them. > Anita, age 9 (Bless you child) > > HOW WOULD THE WORLD BE DIFFERENT IF PEOPLE DIDN'T > GET MARRIED? > There sure would be a lot of kids to explain, wouldn't there? > Kelvin, age 8 > > "And the #1 Favourite is........" > > HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A MARRIAGE WORK? > > Tell your wife that she looks pretty even if she looks like a truck." > Ricky, age 10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:54:25 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Soho vs. SoHo (SJC) On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 (and seen by me Thursday on the Digest), "ron" wrote, on Subject: joni in the movies: hi *two* joni references on tv last night!! first was will & grace where will quote "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot" the other was in a movie called "after hours" - a guy gets stranded in soho in NY (strange - i always thought it was in london) gets into all sorts of trouble, goes home with a waitress. she puts on the monkees - he bursts out crying - so she takes it off & puts on chelsea morning instead - i guess it was to cheer him up???? seemed to work!!! ron np - the who - amazing journey/sparks Now, just in case nobody has responded yet about "soho": Well, typing in all lowercase as "ron" has, the distinction is lost, but: Soho is in London. SoHo is in New York City. I don't know the origin of "Soho." "SoHo," however, is a coined word, a sort of abbreviation or contraction for "South of Houston Street," a street in New York City. "Houston," for the street's name, is pronounced like Houston, Del., not like Houston, Texas --- that is, like "House ton" rather than like "Hugh's ton." Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:27:41 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Hmmm Joni plays Blue on Guitar?? Yes indeed Mark!!! And supposedly taken near my home town here in Michigan too! :-) Best, Gary Zack Detroit Mark or Travis wrote: >Gary Zack wrote: > >>I found this on eBay and immediately saw something amiss - I don't >>believe we've ever heard Joni play Blue on guitar >>have we? >> >>See it here: >> > >Well it is a nice pic, anyway! > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:17:54 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hmmm Joni plays Blue on Guitar?? Gary Zack wrote: > I found this on eBay and immediately saw something amiss - I don't > believe we've ever heard Joni play Blue on guitar > have we? > > See it here: Well it is a nice pic, anyway! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:42:10 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: John Kelly we got together a few joni-listers for an early draft of 'shiny hot nights' here in new york, a while back. i'd seen a few things john kelly had done, and for years he ended the annual wigstock festival singing 'wigstock', his version of woodstock, so i heard that a few times. but when i saw 'paved paradise', his first show of all joni songs, it was what made me fall in love with joni's music all over again. that was about 96, and i'd been collecting her music (unevenly) since 1980. 'paved paradise' is what made me such a fanatic that my first ever web search was for joni mitchell, and my first post to this list (the thread was meeting celebrities) was about john kelly. if you've never read it, read about the time joni finally saw 'paved paradise'. it's on jonimitchell.com, somewhere. by the way, i found a used copy of the movie 'wigstock' recently, bought it, and watched it the night before last. it was filmed in 93 and 94, and i was at both festivals and in '93 i was in drag (one of only two times in my life, i looked like angie dickinson). man did the movie take me back! so many shots of my friends and acquaintances. so much fun. and you do get to see john as joni at the end. patrick np - bonnie raitt - 2-22-72 Philadelphia, PA, Sigma Studios >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >BRYAN8847@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:02 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: John Kelly in Seattle NJC > > >I'll NJC this because it's only marginally Joni related.... > >Did anyone see John Kelly's Shiny Hot Nights show in Seattle (or >anywhere)? I >was devastated today when I picked up a two-week-old paper and saw >an ad for >the show. I ran in circles screaming and waving my arms (I >exaggerate a bit) >when I realized I had missed the performances held Sept 11-14, >probably a once >in a lifetime opportunity. For Pete's sake. > >Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:03:17 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: who are you? 1. Are you male or female? Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 2. Describe yourself. Twisted 3. How do some people feel about you? Electricity 4. How do you feel about yourself? Let the Wind Carry Me 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Your So Square (Baby I Don't Care) 6. Describe Your Job Coin in The Pocket 7. Where would you rather be? People's Parties 8. Describe what you want to be Black Crow 9. Describe how you live Circle Game 10. Describe how you love Court and Spark 11. Share a few words of wisdom Love (Corinthians II:13) Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:00:48 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 19 On September 19 the following articles were published: 1970: "Glimpses of Joni" - Melody Maker (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=180 1987: "Club Manager is Charged in Beating of Jazz Musician" - Miami Herald (NJC) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=930 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:43:09 EDT From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Coyote Rick 1. Are you male or female? The Last Time I saw Richard.... 2. Describe yourself. Coyote... 3. How do some people feel about you? Peoplers' Parties... 4. How do you feel about yourself? Dancing' Clown... 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner You're My Thrill... 6. Describe Your Job No apologies... 7. Where would you rather be? Both Sides, Now.... 8. Describe what you want to be Refuge of the Roads... 9. Describe how you live God Must Be a Boogie Man so, Don't Go to Strangers, 10. Describe how you love Shadows and Light 11. Share a few words of wisdom Wild Things Run Fast ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #293 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)