From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 292 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Who Are You? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #291 [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re:Guitar Strings ["Don Whiteman" ] I piqued your interest and leave you hanging, it's pure evil...lolol(sjc) [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.c] Who Are You? [AzeemAK@aol.com] Fw: Who Are You? (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Update on Jonifest 2003 DVD and Videos [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Who Are You? [Emiliano ] Please Delete Me ["Murray Linton" ] RE: Who Are You? [] Hommage Video? [Chihuahua50@aol.com] Re: Hommage Video? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Who Are You? ["Victor Johnson" ] Who Are You? ["Happy The Man" ] barbie listens to joni and joni and children [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] the people who love Joni [magsnbrei ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #471 [ColorAndLight@aol.com] joni in the movies ["ron" ] cybil, lost gold [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Fwd: So cuuuuute! [jan ] [none] ["Kerry Berghoff" ] Re: Joni link! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Who Are You? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Who Are You? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's poetry "slam" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Andersen [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Two white men [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today in History: September 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: September 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:30:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Who Are You? 1. Are you male or female? Number One 2. Describe yourself. The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey 3. How do some people feel about you? Nathan La Franeer 4. How do you feel about yourself? Otis and Marlena 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Shiny Toys 6. Describe Your Job Fiction 7. Where would you rather be? Slouching Towards Bethlehem 8. Describe what you want to be All I Want 9. Describe how you live Smokin' 10. Describe how you love Man To Man 11. Share a few words of wisdom Nothing Can Be Done ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:36:52 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #291 In a message dated 9/17/2003 3:00:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > 1. Are you male or female? > MAN FROM MARS > > 2. Describe yourself. > DON JUANS RECKLESS DAUGHTER(SON) > > 3. How do some people feel about you? > STRANGE BOY > > 4. How do you feel about yourself? > CACTUSTREE > > 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner > OFF NIGHT BACK STREET > > 6. Describe Your Job > DOG EAT DOG > > 7. Where would you rather be? > CAREY > > 8. Describe what you want to be > FOR THE ROSES > > 9. Describe how you live > CHELSEA MORNING > > 10. Describe how you love > ALL I WANT > > 11. Share a few words of wisdom > (NO REGRETS)COYOTE!! Hope you all are doing well ***kevin*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:17:16 +1000 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Re:Guitar Strings When I was still playing live I would change strings every gig, Now that I play to my self I change them when they go dead about 2- 3 weeks. It all depends on how much tuning you do. The G is always the lightest guage string ina set if it is a wound string (only way to go). If you were in a modal D tuning D A D D A D it might break coming back up 5 half steps to G. That's usually whenit happend to me. Don Sydney Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 05:57:39 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: I piqued your interest and leave you hanging, it's pure evil...lolol(sjc) with a full collection of Fleetwood mac, janis ian and joni mitchell on every possible format, most of which were found at auctions, garage sales, and side walk sales i was well on my way to Joni-ism. my collection wasn't bulit in the way it was because,at 16 yrs old, i couldn't afford better, i had 2 jobs, it was and is still here in 2003, because in the area inwhich i live the "music" stores don't keep an up to date supply of such artists. most of my cd's needed to be ordered and waited for and in situations like this i have little patience. But there was no turning back, i was a diciple, i was a junkie, and i figured if good music was gonna be my addiction of choice, well good for me (i've never smoked, drank, or used drugs illicitly) i found my "evolutinary" experiences thru my mind, body, emotions and spirit...every book recording, seminar, class and challenge i could find, I've heard it said more than once, that prayer is the the way you live your life, i believe that. one can read every book, watch the universe move, study , study, study, but until it is lived is it ever really known? the only thing even close is is listening to the combination of words, notes, sounds, and emotion and, in my humble opinion, Joni does that BEST. now at 36 years old, where i am in my life, if i could go back, i wouldn't change a thing and i will continue to allow myself and others to change and grow. maybe our souls are fully developed and we just haven't REALized it yet. hmmmmmmmmmm Peace Noel NP: the ellen degeneres show...she kills me!!! which has nothing to do with my sexuallity. I love when peeps ask "how long have you been gay?" i answer "all of my life, i just wouldn't let myself know it till i was 27." the looks on the faces are priceless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:28:35 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Who Are You? 1. Are you male or female? A Strange Boy 2. Describe yourself. Trouble Child 3. How do some people feel about you? Nothing Can Be Done 4. How do you feel about yourself? I think I Understand 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Woman Of Heart And Mind 6. Describe Your Job Talk To Me 7. Where would you rather be? Come In From The Cold 8. Describe what you want to be Not To Blame 9. Describe how you live No Apologies 10. Describe how you love In France They Kiss On Main Street 11. Share a few words of wisdom Happiness Is The Best Face Lift Hmmm, that's a fun exercise, maybe I'll try it with other artistes... Azeem in London NP: Mary Coughlan - After The Fall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:58:19 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Who Are You? (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: miircoles, 17 de septiembre de 2003 9:30 Asunto: RE: Who Are You? > 1. Are you male or female? > > Number One > > 2. Describe yourself. > > The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey > > 3. How do some people feel about you? > > Nathan La Franeer > > 4. How do you feel about yourself? > > Otis and Marlena > > 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner > > Shiny Toys > > 6. Describe Your Job > > Fiction > > 7. Where would you rather be? > > Slouching Towards Bethlehem > > 8. Describe what you want to be > > All I Want > > 9. Describe how you live > > Smokin' > > 10. Describe how you love > > Man To Man > > 11. Share a few words of wisdom > > Nothing Can Be Done ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:01:53 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Update on Jonifest 2003 DVD and Videos As of this date, we are short the minimum number of DVD sets we need to order to get the quoted price. If anyone is interested in either the DVD's or videos of Jonifest, please get your orders and money in to me by Monday at the latest. Thanks! Hugs, Ashara http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:21:25 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Who Are You? Hi, folks! It's a funny game to play! > 1. Are you male or female? > Just like me > > 2. Describe yourself. > Just like this train > > 3. How do some people feel about you? > Man from Mars > > 4. How do you feel about yourself? > Blue Boy > > 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner > A Woman of Heart and Mind > > 6. Describe Your Job > Taming the Tiger / Converstion > > 7. Where would you rather be? > Dreamland > > 8. Describe what you want to be > Free man in Paris > > 9. Describe how you live > Chelsea Morning > > 10. Describe how you love > Solid Love > > 11. Share a few words of wisdom > God Must Be a Boogie Man Have a Wonderful time!: Emiliano NP: Dirty Little Secret, Graham Nash, live in Red Bank NJ 9/17/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:01:36 +0100 From: "Murray Linton" Subject: Please Delete Me Please help, I'm not sure how to delete my name from this list and hope someone can help please. Nothing wrong with the list, just too busy to even think about reading and replying. Thankyou. Murray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:47:18 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Who Are You? This is great! Thanks, whoever first posted it (Scott?), for getting us started. 1. Are you male or female? Winter Lady 2. Describe yourself. Black Crow 3. How do some people feel about you? In My Younger Days: Trouble Child Now: You're So Square! 4. How do you feel about yourself? Lucky Girl 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner You're So Square (Baby, I Don't Care!) 6. Describe Your Job Tie: The Same Situation / The Jungle Line 7. Where would you rather be? Sisotowbell Lane 8. Describe what you want to be A Bird That Whistles 9. Describe how you live Be Cool 10. Describe how you love Was: Cactus Tree Now: Solid Love 11. Share a few words of wisdom Stay in Touch! Mary P., moved now to do the same thing with Warren Zevon songs. But then, the results could be--ahem--interesting. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:11:17 -0400 From: Chihuahua50@aol.com Subject: Hommage Video? I apologize. I wasn't paying attention. Can anyone tell me more about this hommage video and how to get a copy? Pleeeeeeeeease? Frank chihuahua50@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:20:40 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hommage Video? In a message dated 9/17/2003 11:11:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chihuahua50 writes: > I wasn't paying attention. Frank, you should always pay attention. Now that you have been properly admonished, here's Ashara's post: ************************************************************** Still trying to catch up on JMDL mail from when I was away, but received several requests for this video. This was a gift for attendees of Jonifest 2003, (just another *great* reason to go to Fest!!) but it's yours for the asking if you didn't attend this year. Just send a blank video with a note that you want the Hommage video to: Ashara Stansfield 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 Please include in the package a return self addressed, stamped envelope. Or, if you prefer, you can send a check for $10 to cover a blank and postage (or paypal that amount to me) along with a note of what you want and your address. (Overseas, please send a few extra dollars for postage, and know that I can only dub in NTSC format.) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:53:02 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Who Are You? > > 1. Are you male or female? Michael From Mountains > > 2. Describe yourself. The Dawntreader > > 3. How do some people feel about you? Court and Spark > > 4. How do you feel about yourself? Hejira > > 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Solid Love > > 6. Describe Your Job Banquet > > 7. Where would you rather be? Urge for Going > > 8. Describe what you want to be You Turn Me On I'm a Radio > > 9. Describe how you live Judgement of the Moon and Stars > > 10. Describe how you love Case of You > > 11. Share a few words of wisdom California Victor NP: Belle and Sebastian If You're Feeling Sinister Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:03:11 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Who Are You? I'll bite. 1. Are you male or female? The Priest 2. Describe yourself. Lessons in Survival 3. How do some people feel about you? In My Younger Days: Dancing Clown Now: Slouching Toward Bethlehem 4. How do you feel about yourself? Love Puts On a New Face. 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Taming the Tiger. 6. Describe Your Job I Don't Know Where I Stand 7. Where would you rather be? Free Man in Paris 8. Describe what you want to be The Dawntreader 9. Describe how you live Two Grey Rooms 10. Describe how you love Here Today, Gone Tomorrow. 11. Share a few words of wisdom Passion Play (When all the slaves are free) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:03:57 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: barbie listens to joni and joni and children Gordon wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA bob wrote: Yeah, but that's what I thought was so cool, the enthusiasm that Joni had for the project and how that reflected in her vocals. Of course, for most of the intro's she was looking at Larry and having him tell her what song it was, and then starting late to catch up like when she sings in about 2 syllables "hearditinthewindlastnightsoundedlikeapplause", I enjoyed her sense of fun a lot. isn't this gorgeous!?!?! sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, she's a dream Marianne wrote: My newphew, who is now 2, has loved joni since he was about 6 months old. His favorite album is "blue" I am a luck aunt! carey has been his very fav song so far...he also loves bob marley, sarah vaughn, van morrison, ella fitzgerald, spongebob squarepants and many more. at 2 for goodness sakes!!! Must be a good bloodline :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: the people who love Joni The people who love Joni. You sit down at your PC, staring at the screen. Perhaps you type in Joni Mitchell in your search engine, just for fun, to see what might pop up. Then you notice there are two web sites, and as you read through the offerings, you see that there's a discussion list. You might hold off for a day or two, knowing that there's a lot of weirdness on the internet, so you wait. And then you realize that all you are doing is thinking about that list, wondering, and then you decide, okay, I can always join and watch for a while, not say a word, no one will know you are even there. Curiosity. That wild animal. Sometimes gets the best of you. And all of a sudden you see...hey, there are people who think just like I do .. and hey, this isnt just about Joni. And at the same time, there's such a wealth of knowledge surrounding all things Joni, and you are completely blown away. And then you notice that people seem to know one another, and then you see that there are gatherings of the Joni kind around the globe. And that there's this big one that takes place each year in the North Eastern US. A lot of people seem to be drawn to the centre of that one, and you wonder what that's all about. And then you decide to check it out, just this once, and you realize what all the fuss is about. And you begin friendships, not just any old friendship, but the kind of friendships where people love and accept you for who you are, warts and all. A place of love, trust and acceptance for your talents. Maybe you've never had the nerve to stand up on stage before, let alone sing or play your guitar..and suddenly, there you are, blinded by the lights, trying to see out into the blackness of an audience that you know is there because they are breathing, quiet, waiting for you to begin. And the most amazing thing is, if you are scared to death up there, the audience loves you even more, clapping, cheering you on, saying it's okay, we're here with you...for you...because of you. You go home, back to "reality" and you think to yourself...did that weekend really happen? How is this possible?? And you smile, knowing that next year, you'll be back. So then tragedy strikes and you feel suddenly alone. And then you realize that you've got this mass of friends out there who DO care about you, and whatever life brings you, good and bad. So you try an email or two and nothing feels right and then you let go and pour your heart out and tell your Joni friends that your best and most beloved brother Dave died suddenly at the age of 53. You hit the send button. At first, there's silence, and you think...oh no...I shouldn't have revealed so much about my personal life. Wish I could take it back...too late. Sink. And then, for the next several hours and days and weeks to come, your email box is inundated with mail, hundreds of mails in fact, offering whatever I need. I dont know how to ask for what I need, and I mention to Ashara that this trip up to Canada to attend my brother's funeral is putting a huge strain on us financially. And she puts out a call to the community, to the people who love Joni, and then I open up a card from her today and am completely knocked off my feet. I cannot believe the generosity of this wonderful group of people. I have no idea who donated what, that's not really the point. The point is, that the people who could, did. And both Brian and I are completely moved to the core by this act of incredible act of generosity. my reality: On August 19th, my dearest brother Dave died suddenly. I felt and at many times during the day continue to feel as though Ive been broad sided by a Mack truck. He was only 53 and this was totally out of left field. Complications all round have made this even more difficult. Im still in shock, Im sure of it because sometimes I dont feel a thing. All that said, I want to take the time to express my deepest, most heartfelt gratitude to you, the Joni community, for all of the phone calls, emails, reaching out in so many ways to help me through this sad time. I even heard from people I havent met! Every ounce of condolences has helped tremendously. The depth to which I love my brother has been made even clearer to me as I navigated these rough waters. I ache for him terribly. The past few weeks have been complicated by moving through INS red tape to get back into the US, and a number of other road blocks. Losing Dave. It is a grief that Ive never experienced before and one that I dont wish on anyone. It is excruciatingly painful . and yet...Ive been graced with so much support, I feel like Im beginning to move through it, even a little all because of the people who love Joni. with love and appreciation beyond any words I can write, Mags and Brian. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:39:10 -0400 From: ColorAndLight@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #471 1. Are you male or female? Turbulent Indigo. 2. Describe yourself. Turbulent Indigo. 3. How do some people feel about you? Sometimes I'm Happy (Oops, but she sang it...) 4. How do you feel about yourself? A Strange Boy. 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Refuge of the Roads 6. Describe Your Job Smokin' (Try Another) 7. Where would you rather be? In France They Kiss On Main Street 8. Describe what you want to be Song to a Seagull 9. Describe how you live Same Situation 10. Describe how you love Two Grey Rooms 11. Share a few words of wisdom God Must Be A Boogie Man ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:41:07 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni in the movies hi *two* joni references on tv last night!! first was will & grace where will quote "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot" the other was in a movie called "after hours" - a guy gets stranded in soho in NY (strange - i always thought it was in london) gets into all sorts of trouble, goes home with a waitress. she puts on the monkees - he bursts out crying - so she takes it off & puts on chelsea morning instead - i guess it was to cheer him up???? seemed to work!!! ron np - the who - amazing journey/sparks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:35:28 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: cybil, lost gold In a message dated 9/17/03 2:12:55 PM EST, les@jmdl.com writes: << Mark or Travis wrote: >Cybill may not be a great actress but I have to admit I used to get a >big kick out of her sitcom. She and Christine Baranski were as sort >of toned-down Eddy & Patsy and some of their schtick was hilarious. > >> Eddy & patsy!?!?! : OMG they are my heros!!!! .I sold them to a man 1st up, in the moving sale...he was so happy to get them! and seem to run down the road into the car with them! I bet he did..I bet he did!! "Er did you say how much you got for them?."..I enquired..sort of heart attacking.... "$10! "was her reply...I could faintly hear it...I felt like Ridge out of Bold and the aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! and you are still with us, OMG what a sign of strength. > > 11. Share a few words of wisdom Calif> I couldn't agree more <> I almost remember that happening to me <> sighhhhhhhhhhhhh, how often i miss memory Just how many of you fabulous Islanders are out there??? God save the BBC peace Noel NP:i forgot...sorry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:07:09 -0700 From: jan Subject: Fwd: So cuuuuute! http://www.palletmastersworkshop.com/happy.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:43:55 -0700 From: "Kerry Berghoff" Subject: [none] 1. Are you male or female? Ladies of the Canyon 2. Describe yourself. A Bird that Whistles 3. How do some people feel about you? Wild Things Run Fast 4. How do you feel about yourself? Nothing Can Be Done 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner The Only Joy In Town 6. Describe Your Job The Windfall 7. Where would you rather be? Let The Wind Carry Me 8. Describe what you want to be All I Want 9. Describe how you live The Hissing Of Summer Lawns 10. Describe how you love The Crazy Cries of Love 11. Share a few words of wisdom the Be Cool Here is my contribution - what fun! KerryGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:43:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni link! --- StephenToogood wrote: > I don't know if any of you folks have seen this or > it is in the JMDL > library, but it's a nice article focusing on Joni's > poetry with some photos > I hadn't seen before. > > Check it out... > > http://www.poetrymagazine.com/archives/2000/June-July00/classicpoet6-00.htm > Stephen, I just finally got around to checking this article out and here's our Joan up to her usual dissing (you've gotta love that; oh, and that Freddy Nietzsche - there's a real fun guy ;-) And I quote la bella Juanita from the article: 'Her lyrics have been compared to the poems of Anne Sexton and Sylvia Plath. 'But it is a comparison at which she bristles. "I dont like a lot of poets, and that seems to annoy people, that Im dismissive of a lot of what they think of as great poetry," she said, in a 1997 interview with Stephen Holden. "I'm with Nietzsche on the poets: 'The poet is the vainest of the vain, even before the ugliest of water buffalo does he fan his tail. Ive looked among them for an honest man and all I've dredged up are old gods' heads. He muddies his waters that he might appear deep.'" '"What always bugged me about poetry in school was the artifice of it. When Dylan wrote, 'You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend,' as an opening line, the language was direct and undeniable. I love Yeats. As for Plath and Sexton, I'm sorry, but I smell a rat. There was a lot of guile in the work, a lot of posturing. It didn't really get down to the nitty-gritty of the human condition. And there was the suicide-chic aspect." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:16:40 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Who Are You? OK - I'll bite :-) 1. Are you male or female? A Strange Boy 2. Describe yourself. Man of Heart and Mind 3. How do some people feel about you? You're So Square 4. How do you feel about yourself? Baby, I Don't Care 5. Describe your boyfriend/girlfriend/partner Lucky Girl 6. Describe Your Job The Arrangement 7. Where would you rather be? Woodstock 8. Describe what you want to be Free Man In Paris 9. Describe how you live Let The Wind Carry Me 10. Describe how you love Solid Love 11. Share a few words of wisdom Stay In Touch Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Who Are You? --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > OK - I'll bite :-) > > > 2. Describe yourself. > > Man of Heart and Mind > Cheater! ;-) (I was going to use the same answer for all of these when I first answered it, i.e., "I don't know where I stand", because it seems to fit just about every question asked. Then decided to go and check out all the titles - wow! has that Joni written a few or what?) Hey - and I think this got a few lurkers our of the woodwork too! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:28:29 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's poetry "slam" Thank you. Catherine, for posting this. And thanks Stephen for the original link which I was too busy to check out. I read this a few years ago and knew that Joni had a problem with poetry, but I forgot what she said her problem was. And Nietzsche on poets! "He muddies his waters that he might appear deep." That's priceless. I have to say that I agree with much of what Joni says on this subject, especially regarding the "guile" and "posturing." I share her admiration for Yeats, but I really do lose my patience with poetry -- especially the "modern" stuff of say, the last 100 years or so. I can get into some poetry anthologies, but when I delve into the work of any one poet -- Sexton and Plath, for example, but also Frost and Lowell and others -- I zzzzzzzzzz. One of the reasons I love Joni so much is for her "poetry," and I wish I knew of a bunch of others who wrote as well. Can anyone here recommend any good poets, or has that become an oxymoron? Also, I think Joni was having a reaction in this interview to being compared to two confessional poets. You know how she hates that business! --Bob, just waiting for Muller to suggest Rod McKuen . . . << 'Her lyrics have been compared to the poems of Anne Sexton and Sylvia Plath. 'But it is a comparison at which she bristles. "I don t like a lot of poets, and that seems to annoy people, that I m dismissive of a lot of what they think of as great poetry," she said, in a 1997 interview with Stephen Holden. "I'm with Nietzsche on the poets: 'The poet is the vainest of the vain, even before the ugliest of water buffalo does he fan his tail. I ve looked among them for an honest man and all I've dredged up are old gods' heads. He muddies his waters that he might appear deep.'" '"What always bugged me about poetry in school was the artifice of it. When Dylan wrote, 'You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend,' as an opening line, the language was direct and undeniable. I love Yeats. As for Plath and Sexton, I'm sorry, but I smell a rat. There was a lot of guile in the work, a lot of posturing. It didn't really get down to the nitty-gritty of the human condition. And there was the suicide-chic aspect." >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:56:26 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Andersen Then, it was Eric Andersen's turn.................> > When he was about to sing Blue River, he told the > story about how last time he played at Hughs Room, > this blonde woman started coming up on stage and he > was getting a bit worried  then, he realized it was > Joni Mitchell (she was in town for her homage a few > years ago and dropped by to see him.) > Hey, if Joni had married Eric, she could have been Joni Andersen (again !) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:05:09 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Two white men In a message dated 9/14/03 3:00:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > BTW, my opinion about these "two white men / escorting me to the hall" is > about the fact that caucasian bodyguards must be more expensive than black > ones, don'T you? I must ask for apologies if you find my statatement > etnically offensive. > > Have a Wonderful time! > Emiliano I think she was just doing her usual thing with poetic contrast (red and green, black and white, etc.) - naively without regard to any political overtones. Once she realized that, she changed the words. (to 'two gentlemen', then 16 gentlemen, then 'an entourage') Just my guess. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:10:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 18 1996: The much talked about Grace Of My Heart soundtrack, featuring '60s-era songwriters teaming with the cream of the crop of '90s musicians, was recalled by MCA Records allegedly because permission to use the Joni Mitchell-sung track, "Man From Mars," was not obtained in time for the release. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=313 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:10:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 18 On September 18 the following article was published: 1996: "Grace Of My Heart Soundtrack Recalled" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=313 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #292 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)