From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 281 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Best joni opening lines ["kh012f5050" ] Re: Best joni opening lines ["kh012f5050" ] Re: First Time Poster ["Don Whiteman" ] Re: Dulcimer ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #279 [ROSCOE1TC@aol.com] Re: Covers 44 - We have a winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC ["Mark or Travis" ] [none] ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] Re: Best joni opening lines [Susan Guzzi ] RE: Best joni opening lines ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Best joni opening lines [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: guitar tunings [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Best joni opening lines ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Best joni opening lines [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Best joni opening lines ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Laura ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Best joni opening lines [Murphycopy@aol.com] Today in History: September 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: September 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: timeline and Let's Sing Out [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:44:36 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern > star." And I said "Constantly in the darkness...where's that at? If you > want me I'll be in the bar." I've read novels that go on for hundreds and hundreds of pages and never get close to a piece of narrative as brilliant as that. Look at the *compression*. How much does it tell you, in two lines? Fantastic. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:46:26 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines "Blue..." Can one word be an opening line? This one can. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:37:25 +1000 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Re: First Time Poster Hi Melissa , Welcome and it is so good to see that another Aussie has joined this list. Hell one day we may have enough to do a JoniFest Downunder, who knows. Don Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:22:05 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Dulcimer ? In a message dated 9/6/03 12:00:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Does anyone out there own a dulcimer. I am seriously thinking of getting > one - i have a guitar but cannot get to grips with it at all - for some > reason i think the dulcimer will be for me. > > any ideas? > > Robin Robin Oops - sounds like you missed Chuck's dulcimer workshop at this year's Jonifest (perhaps because you missed this year's Jonifest ?) Chuck does know a thing or two about the dulcimer - and thank you so much again, Chuck, for joining me in accompanying Alison on A Case of You at the fest. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:38:46 EDT From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #279 In a message dated 9/6/2003 12:00:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > te: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:26:51 +0000 > From: "robin mortlock" > Subject: Dulcimer? i saw joni for the first time in june of 1974. the dulcimer was heavily featured in the show that night. i got up bright and early the next morning to go out and find and buy a dulcimer. i was shocked that i found one. it was cracked, but i saw that it was made by homer ledford.... i had heard the name before.... i played it for a few years, never really mastering it.... but it's a fun instrument to play with/on. it reminds me of bagpipes.... depending on the tuning, you really can go for a long time without hitting a "sour" note. it's the nature of the instrument, i suppose.... i know, around here, dulcimers are pretty easy to find. just make sure you get one that will hold the tuning.... that's the main drag about mine....old whittled pegs.... good luck. happy droning. terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:20:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 44 - We have a winner! Thanks to ALL who participated in my giveaway this month...I was very happy to see so many going for it, I just wish that everybody who entered could win... Anyway, my song of the month was "Blonde In The Bleachers" from, of course, FTR. Russ was the closest with his guess of "Electricity"...just 2 songs away! So you get a free copy of Covers #44, AND a copy of the newly-discovered "Let's Sing Out" appearances which I'm sure you'll really enjoy. Nice job, Russ...let me know your snail mail address and the prize package will be on it's way. If you didn't win, but would like a copy of either of these cd's, let me know & I'll hook you up. And watch this spot next month for more covers & more bonus prizes! Bob, reminding you that the BEST way to beat depression is to keep those Joni covers spinning! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:26:29 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC > "You do not have to be good. > You do not have to walk on your knees > for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting. > You only have to let the soft animal of your body > love what it loves. > Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine. > Meanwhile the world goes on. > Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain > are moving across the landscapes, > over the prairies and the deep trees, > the mountains and the rivers. > Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air, > are heading home again. > Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, > the world offers itself to your imagination, > calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting- > over and over anouncing your place > in the family of things" > > *Some of you may know this, I hope you enjoy. Love in the > night from the west of Scotland Maggie.. ** This is wonderful. Thank you so much for it, Maggie. Let us hear from you! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: peter stefanides Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #446 Hi everyone, hope everyone is doing well. i was wondering, does anyone know when joni's book is coming out? joni made a reference to it in that world leaders video. also, mingus mentioned something about it but wasn't sure if he was bs'ing me. :) peter Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:04:55 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: [none] OK-- I'm sure this is a really weird question, but does anybody out there want my old Beta format copy of the "Shadows and Light" video. I kept my Beta machine a long time so I could keep watching this, but eventually I parted with that old technology and now with the DVD--I could part with the tape, not for money, but I would take some kind of trade. So is anyone running behind the times, just like this Betamax? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:20:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > "You do not have to be good. > > You do not have to walk on your knees > > for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting. > > You only have to let the soft animal of your body > > love what it loves. > > Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine. > > Meanwhile the world goes on. > > Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain > > are moving across the landscapes, > > over the prairies and the deep trees, > > the mountains and the rivers. > > Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air, > > are heading home again. > > Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, > > the world offers itself to your imagination, > > calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting- > > over and over anouncing your place > > in the family of things" > > > > *Some of you may know this, I hope you enjoy. Love in > the > > night from the west of Scotland Maggie.. ** > > > This is wonderful. Thank you so much for it, Maggie. > Let us hear > from you! > > Mark Your welcome. For those interested the poem is called "Wild Geese" and it is by Mary Oliver. It is in a collection of poetry published by Bloodaxe over here called, appropriately enough, "Staying Alive, real poems for unreal times" edited by Neil Astley. I thoroughly recommend this book to everyone, even those with only the tiniest spark of interest in poetry. It is a brilliant collection of contemporary work from all over the world lovingly put together by Astley and sectioned under headings like " Body and Soul" "Bittersweet" "Disappearing acts" etc. It makes a great present to a loved one as well! > > ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:11:18 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura Christmas and the Beads of Sweat is a huge peak in her canon - sort of like her Court & Spark, if you will but the masterpiece is New York Tendaberry. Joni even agrees with this and has praised the album - as you all know Ms. Mitchell is rather tight lipped when it comes to praise. I was fortunate enough to meet Nyro and I asked her about NYT and she replied: "I don't remember much about that." I think she dismissed it as a non feminist work. She was a serious feminist. Another great work - 'The First Songs' - listen to Buy and Sell - she wrote this at 17 or 18. Amazing - astonishing-breathtaking. Stand up in the living room with the headphones on clapping kind of good. Anyway, Laura Nyro is to be idolized. I miss her. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:14:44 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Joni's Book Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: peter stefanides Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #446 Hi everyone, hope everyone is doing well. i was wondering, does anyone know when joni's book is coming out? joni made a reference to it in that world leaders video. also, mingus mentioned something about it but wasn't sure if he was bs'ing me. :) peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------------------------------- Hey peter, It's due out I believe in may 2004. The title at this point is " Illuminatti", but you know how Joni can change her mind. I read about it on the list but not sure who posted it. It may be listed on Amozon.com. I went to Google search for the Italian/English dictionary for a translation this is what It said: From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) : Illuminati \Il*lu`mi*na"ti\, n. pl. [L. illuminatus. SeeIlluminate, v. t., and cf. Illuminee .]Literally, those who are enlightened; -- variously applied asfollows:1. (Eccl.) Persons in the early church who had receivedbaptism; in which ceremony a lighted taper was given them,as a symbol of the spiritual illumination they hasreceived by that sacrament.2. (Eccl. Hist.) Members of a sect which sprung up in Spainabout the year 1575. Their principal doctrine was, that,by means of prayer, they had attained to so perfect astate as to have no need of ordinances, sacraments, goodworks, etc.; -- called also Alumbrados,Perfectibilists, etc.3. (Mod. Hist.) Members of certain associations in ModernEurope, who combined to promote social reforms, by whichthey expected to raise men and society to perfection, esp.of one originated in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, professor ofcanon law at Ingolstadt, which spread rapidly for a time,but ceased after a few years.4. Also applied to:(a) An obscure sect of French Familists;(b) The Hesychasts, Mystics, and Quietists;(c) The Rosicrucians.5. Any persons who profess special spiritual or intellectual enlightenment. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:28:56 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Laura > Another great work - 'The First Songs' - listen to Buy and Sell - she wrote > this at 17 or 18. Amazing - astonishing-breathtaking. Stand up in the living > room with the headphones on clapping kind of good. 'Buy And Sell' is slow and jazzy. Makes me think of a hot afternoon. The way her voice floats and swirls. Just lovely. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Once in awhile in a big blue moon ... there comes a night like this. Like some surrealist painted this fourth of July - night ride home. I can smell the night and feel the breeeze through the car on this opening line. Peace, Susan OR - maybe it was because it was playing when I read this post LOL! StephenToogood wrote: I was just listening to the MOI version of 'Cactus Tree' and remembered we were talking about great Joni song opening lines a few weeks a go. This one must be included! "There's a man who's been out sailing..." is just timeless and her voice is kind of velvety on this version and she is so confident (if you listen carefully she makes a little laugh after the audience reacts to the song). It will always be one of my favourite tracks. Though it is (I believe) one of her more simpler guitar works I think it is quite detailed. It conjures up all kinds of imagery. Beautiful. Steve NP: Amelia - Joni Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:01:40 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines Maybe not the best opening lines, but "Amelia" now playing below, is perhaps Joni's best poetry. (I'm a poetry professor, too.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Susan > Guzzi > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:52 PM > To: StephenToogood; Joni List > Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > > > Once in awhile in a big blue moon ... there comes a night like > this. Like some surrealist painted this fourth of July - night ride home. > > I can smell the night and feel the breeeze through the car on > this opening line. > > Peace, > Susan > > OR - maybe it was because it was playing when I read this post LOL! > > > StephenToogood wrote: > I was just listening to the MOI version of 'Cactus Tree' and remembered we > were talking about great Joni song opening lines a few weeks a > go. This one > must be included! "There's a man who's been out sailing..." is > just timeless > and her voice is kind of velvety on this version and she is so > confident (if > you listen carefully she makes a little laugh after the audience reacts to > the song). It will always be one of my favourite tracks. Though it is (I > believe) one of her more simpler guitar works I think it is quite > detailed. > It conjures up all kinds of imagery. Beautiful. > > Steve > > NP: Amelia - Joni > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:25:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines >Maybe not the best opening lines, but "Amelia" now playing below, is >perhaps Joni's best poetry. But even as a poetry professor, isn't it hard to pick ONE off of that record? I mean, for my money Hejira itself is the top of the heap, but when you start to think of the breadth of that album...Furry, Refuge, Strange Boy, Amelia, Sharon, holy shit...every song is incredible poetry, at least to my untrained ear. I would very much appreciate your professional opinion as to why Amelia gets the nod - I promise I won't debate it! :~) Bob NP: The Practicers, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:40:50 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar tunings Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:12:10 +1000 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Re: guitar NJC Hi Stephen and Cynthia I have played a guitar for over 35 years and haven't really used a standard tuning too much in the last 25 years. I find that if I use standard off the shelf strings I choose D'Addario EJ26 11 - 52 they allow you to retune with least amount of tonal loss. Hell I remember when I would change strings during gigs becaus ethey would be dead after 6 tunings. I quite often us a 54 for my low E string especially if using the GGDGBD tuning with the low G an octave lower as in " For the Roses". Whilst I curently play a Maton (Australia handmade guitar) 1980 CW80, I am on the look out for a Martin D18DC the David Crosby signature model. I have in the past played a K'Yairi Stereo (beautiful fingerpicking guitar) , Martin D 18. I do own a Fender Strat, a Dulcimer, a Gibson Madolin an my old Fender Rhode 83 piano. my favourite tunings are D A E G C E as used in Edith and the Kingpin C G D F C E as used in Coyote / Woman of Heart and Mind G G D G B D as used in For the Roses D G C G C D as used in The Rain Song (Led Zepllin) D A D D A D Can be used for heaps E B D G A D as used by David Crosby in Deja Vu & Guienevere Don Sydney Dear Don: Did Joni really tune DADEAD for I Had a King? And, if she did, do you think she was saying "dad dead" as in her old man Chuck? In leather and lace, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:07:41 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines OK, Bob. Hejira, the album, is Joni's greatest epic poem. You're absolutely right. But Amelia's the greatest lyric poem contained within that epic. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 9:25 PM > To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > > > >Maybe not the best opening lines, but "Amelia" now playing below, is > >perhaps Joni's best poetry. > > But even as a poetry professor, isn't it hard to pick ONE off of > that record? > I mean, for my money Hejira itself is the top of the heap, but > when you start > to think of the breadth of that album...Furry, Refuge, Strange > Boy, Amelia, > Sharon, holy shit...every song is incredible poetry, at least to > my untrained > ear. > > I would very much appreciate your professional opinion as to why > Amelia gets > the nod - I promise I won't debate it! :~) > > Bob > > NP: The Practicers, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:28:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines >OK, Bob. Hejira, the album, is Joni's greatest epic poem. You're >absolutely right. But Amelia's the greatest lyric poem contained within >that epic. But if you don't mind explaining, what's the difference between an epic poem (I know like Beowulf or Homer) and a lyric poem? Bob, always up for education NP: Danilo Perez, "The Fiddle And The Drum" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:33:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines Bob, I will expand on this tomorrow. Must go to be now. R -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:29 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines >OK, Bob. Hejira, the album, is Joni's greatest epic poem. You're >absolutely right. But Amelia's the greatest lyric poem contained within >that epic. But if you don't mind explaining, what's the difference between an epic poem (I know like Beowulf or Homer) and a lyric poem? Bob, always up for education NP: Danilo Perez, "The Fiddle And The Drum" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:51:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laura StephenToogood wrote: >> Another great work - 'The First Songs' - listen to Buy and Sell - >> she wrote this at 17 or 18. Amazing - astonishing-breathtaking. >> Stand up in the living room with the headphones on clapping kind of >> good. > > 'Buy And Sell' is slow and jazzy. Makes me think of a hot afternoon. > The way her voice floats and swirls. Just lovely. One of my all-time favorite Laura songs. I think it's just plain gorgeous. Two more ravishing songs from 'The First Songs': "I Never Meant To Hurt You" and "He's a Runner". A bit on the conventional side, perhaps, but still beautiful songs. For a long time the vinyl 'The First Songs' was the only Laura Nyro I owned. NYT is just too....overly dramatic, over-sung, over the top for me. I know many people here love it but I just have a really hard time with it. She screeches in parts of it. Love you, Laura, but don't like the screeching. CATBOS on the other hand, is magical to me. It has a nice balance to it. It's passionate, sad, sunny ('Brown Earth' would be in my dream Jonifest set if I could ever get hold of the sheet music and manage to get good enough to perform it), devasting, romantic, grief-stricken, joyous, melancholy - all of those things and more in one album. Btw, you can order sheet music for RLJ songs off of the Big Island web site. You order the song, do the payment ($3.95 per song) and they send you the music in an Acrobat file that you can print out. I got 'We Belong Together'. Noway I can play much of it at this point in time. But it is in a key that I can sing quite easily. Scary, huh! Mark E's still in love with Rickie Lee (and Laura and Joni and Billie and Dusty and Judy and Judy and Barbra and Anita and....you know there may be more) PS: anybody here listen to The White Stripes? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:14:31 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines Richard wrote to Muller: << Must go to be now. >> Wow, Richard -- deep! And the most poignant and appropriate typo of this sad week. Earlier, I thought Muller was saying that he thought "Hejira" was the most poetic *song* from the "Hejira" album. To me, it's nearly a toss-up between "Hejira" and "Amelia," but "Amelia" wins because it hits me right in the heart and soul, whereas "Hejira" has a little bit more of a cerebral feeling. I would love to hear your thoughts on the two songs, as well as your thoughts about the enire album's epic poem-ness. Must go to be now myself! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 02:02:08 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 7 1979: Joni performed the first of two nights at the Civic Auditorium in San Francisco More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=881 http://www.jonimitchell.com/SF79.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 02:02:08 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 7 On September 7 the following article was published: 1978: "Days of Bread and Roses" - Berkeley Monthly (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=52 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:34:14 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: timeline and Let's Sing Out I recall seeing some comments from listers to the effect that Joni's countenance seemed to have changed considerably between the first of the Let's sing out tapes (10/65) and the second (10/66). Someone (or two) suggested that the intervening events may have been responsible. My understanding of the timeline is that Joni had already had her baby (2/65). And, she married Chick Mitchell in June, 1965 (though still introduced as Joni Anderson on the first Let's Sing Out. She left him in early 1967, it is written. So, the questions I wonder about are "when did Joni sign the papers releasing Kelly for adoption" ? "what happened the was considered profound in that period, that would have accounted for the supposed change in countenance?" Or, maybe I missed the point altogether. Bobsart ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #281 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)