From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #279 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 279 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- First time poster [Melissa ] Re: newbie ["Timothy Foldoe" ] Re: First time poster [Catherine McKay ] Re: newbie [Emiliano ] Re: First time poster [Emiliano ] Re: First time poster [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni & Johnny [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: mama cass television program [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni on the boards ["robin mortlock" ] metamorphosis and depression ["robin mortlock" ] Dulcimer? ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Joni Tribute Album ["Larry D." ] this just in ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Yes in concert and old age! ["anon anon" ] Fwd: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] VLJC tech question ["Timothy Foldoe" ] Re: VLJC tech question [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: joni on the boards ["StephenToogood" ] A woman I knew just drowned herself ... [Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partne] Re: First time poster ["StephenToogood" ] Best joni opening lines ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Best joni opening lines [Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapart] Re: Best joni opening lines ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Best joni opening lines ["David Rahall" ] Re: Best joni opening lines ["StephenToogood" ] Re: First time poster [Catherine McKay ] Re: VLJC tech question ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #444 - [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #444 - Geffen release [BRYAN8847@aol.com] what works for depression. a wee bit JC [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:45:37 +1000 From: Melissa Subject: First time poster While I have been receiving the 3Joni Only2 list for about a year now, this is my first post. The posts of the other newbies have prompted me to do likewise. For what it9s worth, I thought I9d share with you how I discovered Joni. I gave Joni a go for the first time in 1997 after becoming disenchanted with contemporary music offerings. After dabbling with an eclectic range of artists (including Ella Fitzgerald, Judy Garland, Lou Reed, Dusty Springfield, Janis, Dinah Washington, Talking Heads, Bette Midler and assorted opera divas) I bought 3Hits2 from a major chain store. From the moment I heard the first chords of 3Urge for Going2 (Track No.1) I was hooked. The lyrics sold me. As a first time listener, who could not be affected by hearing: I am not some stone commission Like a statue in a park I am flesh and blood and vision I am howling in the dark Such forceful sentiments! I was satisfied with playing the 3Hits2 compilation for more than 12 months. It is ALL I played - in the car, at the office, at home. My head was spinning with Joni phrases. I9d subconsciously drop Joni phrases into conversations. Things like 3They won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream some of us had2 went down a treat at dinner parties! But it became worse than that. I soon started having real-life Joni experiences! Get this - during the 12 manic months of my 3Hits2 obsession, I was fortunate enough to have lived through the following Joni experience: I feel your leg under the table Leaning into mine I feel renewed I feel disabled By these bonfires in my spine To be obsessed by Joni9s use of language and then to actually live through my own 3incendiary2 moment was synchronicity in action! Bliss! Luxury! I thought it was unhealthy to love a CD so much, so I decided to lash out on an album. As so many of my faves from Hits came from Blue, this was my first choice. Imagine my delight when I found that there wasn9t a dud track on the album. Sure - I love some tracks more than others, but they are all terrific in their own right. Learning more about Joni has only increased my appreciation of her talents. I initially thought that 3Little Green2 was just a pretty song. Now I can9t listen to it without choking up. 3So you sign all the papers in the family name. You're sad and you're sorry but you're not ashamed2 is so sad - yet in a strange way it is uplifting and sort of comforting to know that that there is no shame - sadness and sorrow, yes, but no shame. What a gal! I followed up Blue with LOTC, then Misses, C&S, THOSL, Hejira, FTR and TTT. I recently purchased Shadows and Light, and I9m expecting my delivery of Miles of Aisles and Night Ride Home any day now. Joni9s lyrics still get me. It9s not just the strong message of her songs, but Joni9s choice of particular words that speak to me so much. For example, in 3Edith and the Kingpin2 the words used are 3He TILTS their tired faces Gently to the spoon2. Joni9s choice of 3tilts2 in favour of 3turns2 gets me every time. Tilt implies a more deliberate act that turn, so the message of the song is conveyed more powerfully to us. Anyway, just my theory. I9m from Australia, so I loved the recent posts from the Tasmanian Devil terrorising the young shop assistant in the chain store! I feel his pain, because Joni material is not easy to come by - and I live in a larger State than Tassie. Anyway I thought I9d share my perspective with you all. Enough from me for now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:03:47 -0400 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: Re: newbie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KJHSF@aol.com=20 To: JFractal@msn.com=20 Cc: joni@smoe.org=20 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: newbie Welcome Welcome Welcome! Care to share with the group how you discovered Joni? We love hearing = those stories! You've stumbled upon a wonderful community of Joni fans, = so dive right in and post often! Ken=20 I discovered Joni about 15 years ago, when I first heard Big Yellow = Taxi. But until 5 years ago, I had no idea, she had such a great = collection of eclectic music. I'm a big fan of artists who sound great = in every style/genre they perform in. I love folk / ss, so of course my = first purchases were her first 6, but I also love her jazzy period. Pat = Metheny and Jaco are two of the best musicians ever. I have all 3 DVDs, = but I just bought S&L. The images are nice, but I wish I could see more = of the instruments playing. I appreciate Joni's artistic vision, but in = this case, it hides my main purpose for buying music concert DVDs. I = was less than a year old when she performed this concert. Also I = recently bought, "BS,N", which I love. I've always loved standards and = Joni adds a lot of depth. I disagree that her voice has changed for the = worse. It definitely has changed, and I love her high pitched california = and chelsea morning style, which she can't really do nemore, but I think = her "new voice" has plenty of great characteristics. =20 I ordered the Jonifest CD collection a little while ago, I haven't got = it yet, but I'm very much looking forward to it. Maybe I will see u = there. I'm not too far from the Catskills, and it's a great excuse to = enter that lovely area=20 I look forward to continue voicing my opinions on this forum, and = believe me, I'm VERY opinionated. Do you guys talk about other = musicians you like here? [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: First time poster --- Melissa wrote: > While I have been receiving the 3Joni Only2 list for > about a year now, this > is my first post. The posts of the other newbies > have prompted me to do > likewise. For what it9s worth, I thought I9d share > with you how I > discovered Joni. Melissa! Welcome to Joniland - that was a great first post, so I look forward to hearing more from you. You've also proved that it wasn't a mistake for Joni to do a "Hits" CD (apparently she didn't want to do it at first) because you've gone out and bought more. > The lyrics sold me. As a first time > listener, who could not be > affected by hearing: > > I am not some stone commission > Like a statue in a park > I am flesh and blood and vision > I am howling in the dark > She does have such wonderful lyrics, doesn't she? and what you've quote above is an excellent example. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:16:02 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: newbie - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Timothy Foldoe" Para: ; "joni" Enviado: viernes, 05 de septiembre de 2003 12:03 Asunto: Re: newbie [...] > I look forward to continue voicing my opinions on this forum, and = > believe me, I'm VERY opinionated. Do you guys talk about other = > musicians you like here? Hi, Timothy! It's great to hear you, and your opinions will always be welcome! Of course we talk about other musicians, it's very interesting and useful discovering "new" stuff (and/or opinions on other musicians by other JMDLers) besides our SIQUOMB; only, don't you forget to include NJC tag in subject line if there's a post with no Joni content :-) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Byrds: He Was A Friend Of Mine, Amsterdam 7/7/70 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:16:29 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: First time poster Hi, Melissa! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Melissa" [...] I was satisfied with playing the "Hits" > compilation for more than 12 months. It is ALL I played - in the car, at > the office, at home. My head was spinning with Joni phrases. I'd > subconsciously drop Joni phrases into conversations. [...] > As so many of my faves from Hits came from Blue, this was my > first choice. Imagine my delight when I found that there wasn9t a dud track > on the album. Sure - I love some tracks more than others, but they are all > terrific in their own right. Learning more about Joni has only increased my > appreciation of her talents. I initially thought that 3Little Green2 was > just a pretty song. Now I can9t listen to it without choking up. 3So you > sign all the papers in the family name. You're sad and you're sorry but > you're not ashamed2 is so sad - yet in a strange way it is uplifting and > sort of comforting to know that that there is no shame - sadness and sorrow, > yes, but no shame. What a gal! > > I followed up Blue with LOTC, then Misses, C&S, THOSL, Hejira, FTR and TTT. > I recently purchased Shadows and Light, and I9m expecting my delivery of > Miles of Aisles and Night Ride Home any day now. > [...] Welcome, Melissa! Yours is a great post! I love reading about your *beautiful* obsession and your comments about that: sure there are *treasures* to enjoy. I know you'll love MOA and, specially (since there are "new" songs for you), NRH: it's such a marvelous album... I've discovered it only a few months ago. I bet you'll like that wonderful list: there are many many interesting posts by very talented people... and with a huge sense of humour, too! Have Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Flying Burrito Brothers: Cody, Cody, Amsterdam 11/28/70 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:23:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: First time poster >I thought it was unhealthy to love a CD so much Hi Melissa, and thanks for the WONDERFUL intro...great stuff. I loved this statement, it made me laugh. I also very much appreciated your comment about her use of the word "tilt" in EATK, I agree that Joni always chooses her words very carefully, and she's not afraid to change them over time either which is very cool. I just noticed this AM that on the T'log version of "Richard" she sings "look at your eyes, they're two blue moons" and I thought that was a nice change. Not that I think "Richard" is a good choice for orchestration however...I think it loses some of its power in this setting as opposed to the starker piano version we get on Blue. But that's another discussion for another day. Welcome, and please lurk no longer, you have too much to say! :~) Bob NP: Steve Klink, "The Gallery" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:27:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & Johnny >Did you not notice that the CD version of this was one of your gifts at the >Jonifest (probably courtesy of Bob Muller). Just to clarify, this was a gift from Simon to all at Fest. These recordings have previously been available on the "Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 2" cd, I've made many a copy of that one, including one for Andrea about 2 weeks ago. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:29:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mama cass television program >I think it was a surprise to Bobby when she & Van came out on stage. >Joni muffed the lyrics and giggled at herself. It was highly amusing. Joni also sang (or joined the crowd in singing) "I Shall Be Released" during The Band's "Last Waltz" concert...I had forgotten about that. Bob NP: Steve Klink, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:09:40 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Re: joni on the boards No - it was in an interview in Hot Press - an Irish music mag - around the time of Both Sides Now. She talked about her negativity to the music biz and also mentioned this play that she was going to write - about relationships. - The short film sounds interesting though - what was it about and called.? > >That may have been the short film she did around the time of WTRF. >It was never released. I would love to see it, I bet Joni's a good actress. > >Steve > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:25:18 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: metamorphosis and depression I have sent a post before about Metamorphosis - a healing technique which deals directly with the pre-natal state. Nine points are touched on the inside of the foot and this relates to us growing in the womb - the points begin at conception and end with birth. I have been using this technique for about three years now and depression has certainly been a feature in my life. The worst shape it took led to ideas of suicide, a face down in the dirt and no way out. Metamorphosis did change my approach to life - shortly after being introduced to it i felt incredibly centred but in a way i had never felt before. Now i still experience depressed emotions but i am able to stay with them and eventually 'morph' them. The basic philosophy of Metamorphosis is to stimulate the healer inside - anything else such as therapy, drugs, friends, etc. are from the outside and ultimately their effects are shortlived. The real work is what we do ourselves. Another strong feature with this technique is the lack of need for analysis - patterns of behaviour are 'morphed' and once through this there is a distinct feeling of release and change. The whole process uses life as the healing force and thus the whole being is affected. We are a blocked people and this technique seeks to bring awareness where it has never before existed. For more info go to www.metamorphosis_feet.com (there is an underscore between the two words) or contact me on robinjamesmortlock@hotmail.com Good luck, Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:29:10 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: newbie Welcome Tim! So glad to have you here, all your favorite songs are mine too! Hope you enjoy being a part of this little family as much I do! Keep practicing your guitar and have fun here in Joni-land. Donna from Texas >>> "Timothy Foldoe" 9/4/2003 3:54:05 PM >>> Hi everyone, this is Tim (23 yrs old) from southern New Jersey. This is my first post. I'm finally getting finished with my Joni collection, and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions of albums that Joni helped on (lyrically, and or vocal/guitar/piano), that are worthwhile? I have James Taylor's Mud Slide Slim, several Joni background vocals on there. On another note (Just to let everyone know me a little better), I think Clouds is a highly underrated album, as well as STAS. IMO they have some of the best lyrics and guitar work, of all her repertoire. BTW, my fav albums also include Blue and Hejira. My top ten song list (in no particular order) would probably be River, I Had a King, Circle Game, Chelsea Morning, Michael from Mountains, My Secret Place, Real Good For Free, Amelia, The Sire of Sorrow, and A Case of You. Also thankyou to the creators and volunteers for this site. Now I finally have all the lyrics in one word document! I started typing them in from my CD jackets, but now I just cut and paste from the site. Also the guitar section is great. I'm just learning how to play, and I love tab! This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:26:51 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Dulcimer? Does anyone out there own a dulcimer. I am seriously thinking of getting one - i have a guitar but cannot get to grips with it at all - for some reason i think the dulcimer will be for me. any ideas? Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Joni Tribute Album I understand that the album is long finished, but is stuck in record-company limbo - the company that was to release the album is no more, and the master recording is sitting in the producer's safe deposit box. (This is no rumor, kids ... I am personally acquainted with said producer.) Low-down dirty shame. Larry D NP: Tanita Tikaram, Only the Ones We Love - ---------------- Well, this is interesting. I read this article because isn't Feldman & Assoc Joni's publicist? meaning this is a news release? So it has been four years since this Joni tribute was started... and what happened to it, I wonder? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:50:55 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: this just in .This note from today's Rolling Stone Daily: "Passion Play," a four CD JONI MITCHELL box set will be released this fall. I suppose that is the Geffen box - Passion Play is a good name.....hmmmmmmm. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:09:18 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Yes in concert and old age! >From: "ash" >Reply-To: "ash" >To: >Subject: Re: Yes in concert and old age! >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:35:50 +1000 > > More News on Yes in the UK > from a mate.......(sorry no mention of Joni) .... > > > Hi Ash > > Yup...Judi took me to see Yes at the Hammersmith Apollo for my 46th >birthday...argh!!. It was fantastic, an amazing nostalgia trip and god have >I >been on some of those lately!! > > It was almost the original line up and certainly the most well known by >Yes >fans...Jon Anderson, Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Andy White and Rick Wakeman! >Didn't really miss Bill Bruford or Tony Kaye. > > I couldn't believe that it was 28 years since Id last seen them at >Bingley >Hall! They were better than ever and Jon Anderson's voice seemed to had >mellowed....certainly didn't sound like he had his balls in a vice as >usual. >They all looked a little chunky ( but then don't we all these days) >although >Steve Hove looked like he'd been on traffic warden duty all day and Rick >was >still doing his Clairol Hair Bleaching Kit Advert. Andy White was as tight >on >the drums as ever and Chris Squire was just awesome when he walked on stage >to >perform The Ladder with a four necked bass!! Actually he looked more like >Arnie in Terminator! > > Anyway, it was bloody fantastic and a night I shall never forget. > > Most of the bands you mention I've seen and I always enjoyed Supertramp >despite the backing track stuff. I think the best gigs ever for me though >were >Queen at Wembley in 86, Genesis at Knebworth in 88 (i think), and Dire >Straits >at Woburn Abbey in 1990. > > PS: I've got loads of those black plastic 12 inch thingies too but I'll >never bung 'em. The sleeves are so much better than those bloody eyetests >they >put in with the silver frisbees! I LOVE Yes!!! I've seen them about 5 or 6 times in the last 10 years.I wish I saw them in theire prime,but they were still really great...I think it's a crime that they are hardly known at all by the younger generation... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Fwd: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover - ----- Forwarded message from Amelia Aiken ----- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:22:35 +0100 (BST) From: Amelia Aiken Reply-To: JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups.com Subject: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover To: JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups.com thought you might be interested in a great new version of Little green recorded by a Band calleed Vinegar Brain from Deptford, London, UK It swings along with a really nice groove and the guy who writes the songs says he writes the songs on the guitar in open tunings because hes a big Joni fan. Its on an album called LOVE ? which is out in the UK in a couple of weeks the web site is www.vinegarbrain.co.uk theres some clips of the songs on there. If anyone gets a chance to hear the song, let me know what you think. Also theres a band called Blue Tapestry who are on tour in the UK doing cover versions of Joni and Carol King. The're a fantastic band and they really do justice to the songs. Take it easy Amelia - --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger - ----- End forwarded message ----- thought you might be interested in a great new version of Little green recorded by a Band calleed Vinegar Brain from Deptford, London, UK It swings along with a really nice groove and the guy who writes the songs says he writes the songs on the guitar in open tunings because hes a big Joni fan. Its on an album called LOVE ? which is out in the UK in a couple of weeks the web site is www.vinegarbrain.co.uk theres some clips of the songs on there. If anyone gets a chance to hear the song, let me know what you think. Also theres a band called Blue Tapestry who are on tour in the UK doing cover versions of Joni and Carol King. The're a fantastic band and they really do justice to the songs. Take it easy Amelia - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger [TABLE NOT SHOWN] It's all a Dream, She has awake..... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:44:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover >thought you might be interested in a great new version of Little green >recorded >by a Band calleed Vinegar Brain from Deptford, London, UK Thanks Jerry, this same author (Amelia, nice name!) emailed me earlier this week with the news, so it's already added in my database. Since it's not easily available online, could some kind soul in the UK step up and pick up this cd for me? I will of course reimburse all expenses, or you could trade for Joni - "Let's Sing Out" CD + lots of other goodies! Here's the clip: http://www.vinegarbrain.com/chars/little_green.htm Bob, trying to keep up with the covers...huff puff puff! :~) NP: Kings of Leon, "California Waiting" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:07:23 -0400 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: VLJC tech question Does anyone know how to extract the audio from a DVD and make a CD from = it (MP3 or cda)? I'd rather not buy the cds that accompany my growing = DVD music-video collection. I have all 3 Joni's and I'd really love S&L = on audio cd, otherwise I can't listen to it other than at home. The only = thing I can think of is take the audio out cable from my DVD player and = put it in a CD-R or some sort of recorder, but the only device I = currently have is my computer's CD-R, and my DVD is part of my = home-theatre set-up which I'd rather not mess up. =20 My other DVD concerts are (in case anyone's interested in a review or = just my musical tastes) Air Supply - Definitive Beach Boys - Good-Timin' Brian Wilson - Imagination, On-tour, and All Star Tribute to Bruce Springsteen & E-Street - live in NYC Dave Brubeck - Return to Moscow Dave Matthews Band - Listener Supported & Live at Folsom Field David Gray - Live @ the Point Diana Krall (my old fav female vocalist) - Live in Paris (she does a = haunting version of "A Case of You" Don Henley - Inside Job Eagles - Hell Freezes Over (one of the best concerts of all-time) Genesis - the way we walk Harry Chapin (my 2nd fav male SS) - Live at Rockpalast James Taylor - Pull Over & Live at Beacon Ladysmith Black Mambazo (if you like a capella, get some of their stuff) = - - Live @ Royal albert hall Miles Davis - Live in Munich Nat King Cole - collection of his tv series Norah Jones (my new fav female vocalist) - Live in New Orleans Paul Simon (my fav male SS) - You're the One & Graceland Peter Gabriel - Secret World Rockapella (awesome a capella group) Roger Waters - The Wall Live in Berlin (2 guest appearances by Joni - = many other good guests too) Sting - Brand New Day & All this Time (excellent performance from his = Tuscany House) U2 - Elevation & Rattle and Hum Wilco - I am trying to Break your Heart (just got it today - haven't = seen it yet) Any suggestions for other great concerts? [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: VLJC tech question Quoting Timothy Foldoe : > Does anyone know how to extract the audio from a DVD and make a CD from > = > it (MP3 or cda)? I'd rather not buy the cds that accompany my growing = > DVD music-video collection. I have all 3 Joni's and I'd really love S&L > = > on audio cd, otherwise I can't listen to it other than at home. The digital signal from a dvd is not recordable (unless you are a REAL pro.) So the best way is to take the analog signal out, using RCA plugs, and making a cd copy from it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:41:07 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: joni on the boards The film is called 'Love' Here is the page link (on the best site ever) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=160 This bit really cracked me up: "Love" is a difficult move to make. The budget by today's standards is small-$3.5 million. The average studio film's cost now approaches $10 million. Wow, how the times change! NP: Banquet - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin mortlock" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: joni on the boards > No - it was in an interview in Hot Press - an Irish music mag - around > the time of Both Sides Now. She talked about her negativity to the music > biz and also mentioned this play that she was going to write - about > relationships. - The short film sounds interesting though - what was it > about and called.? > > > >That may have been the short film she did around the time of WTRF. >It > was never released. I would love to see it, I bet Joni's a good actress. > > >Steve > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:12:36 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: A woman I knew just drowned herself ... Of course that lyric keeps floating around in my head, and it just lead me to look it up, and this is what I found. Very interesting. http://www.congadragon.co.uk/musical_inspiration.html Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:14:31 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: First time poster Hi Melissa, 'Hits' is the first Joni album I got too! Yeah I remember as soon as 'Urge For Going' began never hearing anything quite like it (still haven't) and then the rest unfolded with such diversity. I love the album right through. 'Misses' is a tougher listen but a lot of her best songs are on there. I know have all of Joni's CD's! Her consistence really is amazing. 68-76 is unbeatable. I think MOI is my 3rd fave Joni album and my fave all time live album. Not a bad track if you ask me. It's like you are there (oh how I wish I were a few years older). I hope you love it. I think NRH is probably one of her less cynical albums which makes an enjoyable listen. Still it took me a while to 'get' it. A big welcome to you, Steve NP: For The Roses - Joni (no bar chords but damn hard to play, I think) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: First time poster > While I have been receiving the 3Joni Only2 list for about a year now, this > is my first post. The posts of the other newbies have prompted me to do > likewise. For what it9s worth, I thought I9d share with you how I > discovered Joni. > > I gave Joni a go for the first time in 1997 after becoming disenchanted with > contemporary music offerings. After dabbling with an eclectic range of > artists (including Ella Fitzgerald, Judy Garland, Lou Reed, Dusty > Springfield, Janis, Dinah Washington, Talking Heads, Bette Midler and > assorted opera divas) I bought 3Hits2 from a major chain store. From the > moment I heard the first chords of 3Urge for Going2 (Track No.1) I was > hooked. The lyrics sold me. As a first time listener, who could not be > affected by hearing: > > I am not some stone commission > Like a statue in a park > I am flesh and blood and vision > I am howling in the dark > > Such forceful sentiments! I was satisfied with playing the 3Hits2 > compilation for more than 12 months. It is ALL I played - in the car, at > the office, at home. My head was spinning with Joni phrases. I9d > subconsciously drop Joni phrases into conversations. Things like 3They > won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream some of us had2 went down > a treat at dinner parties! But it became worse than that. I soon started > having real-life Joni experiences! Get this - during the 12 manic months of > my 3Hits2 obsession, I was fortunate enough to have lived through the > following Joni experience: > > I feel your leg under the table > Leaning into mine > I feel renewed > I feel disabled > By these bonfires in my spine > > To be obsessed by Joni9s use of language and then to actually live through > my own 3incendiary2 moment was synchronicity in action! Bliss! Luxury! > > I thought it was unhealthy to love a CD so much, so I decided to lash out on > an album. As so many of my faves from Hits came from Blue, this was my > first choice. Imagine my delight when I found that there wasn9t a dud track > on the album. Sure - I love some tracks more than others, but they are all > terrific in their own right. Learning more about Joni has only increased my > appreciation of her talents. I initially thought that 3Little Green2 was > just a pretty song. Now I can9t listen to it without choking up. 3So you > sign all the papers in the family name. You're sad and you're sorry but > you're not ashamed2 is so sad - yet in a strange way it is uplifting and > sort of comforting to know that that there is no shame - sadness and sorrow, > yes, but no shame. What a gal! > > I followed up Blue with LOTC, then Misses, C&S, THOSL, Hejira, FTR and TTT. > I recently purchased Shadows and Light, and I9m expecting my delivery of > Miles of Aisles and Night Ride Home any day now. > > Joni9s lyrics still get me. It9s not just the strong message of her songs, > but Joni9s choice of particular words that speak to me so much. For > example, in 3Edith and the Kingpin2 the words used are 3He TILTS their > tired faces Gently to the spoon2. Joni9s choice of 3tilts2 in favour of > 3turns2 gets me every time. Tilt implies a more deliberate act that turn, > so the message of the song is conveyed more powerfully to us. Anyway, just > my theory. > > I9m from Australia, so I loved the recent posts from the Tasmanian Devil > terrorising the young shop assistant in the chain store! I feel his pain, > because Joni material is not easy to come by - and I live in a larger State > than Tassie. > > Anyway I thought I9d share my perspective with you all. Enough from me for > now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:20:49 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Best joni opening lines I was just listening to the MOI version of 'Cactus Tree' and remembered we were talking about great Joni song opening lines a few weeks a go. This one must be included! "There's a man who's been out sailing..." is just timeless and her voice is kind of velvety on this version and she is so confident (if you listen carefully she makes a little laugh after the audience reacts to the song). It will always be one of my favourite tracks. Though it is (I believe) one of her more simpler guitar works I think it is quite detailed. It conjures up all kinds of imagery. Beautiful. Steve NP: Amelia - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:26:51 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Not to be a bummer, but I really like this and it's been stuck in my head for years: "Let me speak let me spit out my bitterness" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:31:49 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Love it too. Most of TI went right over my head until I heard that! Maybe it should have been the opening track. Another one of Joni's million verses songs. Her voice is great too. A few people have dubbed Joni's 90's music les testing/accomplished but I think her singing and the chords follow a very unpredictable pattern. Steve NP: A Strange Boy - Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com To: StephenToogood Cc: Joni List Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Not to be a bummer, but I really like this and it's been stuck in my head for years: "Let me speak let me spit out my bitterness" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:37:48 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern star." And I said "Constantly in the darkness...where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar." David listening to Steve Winwood's new album "About Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:42:12 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Definitely and I also love those closing chords on the Dulcimer. Sounds very original. Steve NP: Song For Sharon - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rahall" To: "joni" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern > star." And I said "Constantly in the darkness...where's that at? If you > want me I'll be in the bar." > > David > > listening to Steve Winwood's new album "About Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:26:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: First time poster --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: I also very much > appreciated your comment about her > use of the word "tilt" in EATK, I agree that Joni > always chooses her words > very carefully, and she's not afraid to change them > over time either which is > very cool. Every time I see EATK, I think of "Let them..." C. Acronymophobe. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:27:16 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: VLJC tech question I believe Mac users can all record onto a hard drive. Just go to Radio Shack for a cable to go from your CD player (RCA jacks out) into the Mac's sound-in jack (mini-stereo jack). If you have a PC, you would use the same cable but you'd need a piece of software. I bought a very simple sound recorder for the PC called "TotalRecorder". I downloaded it from the company's website and paid by credit card. It was about 20 US Dollars. For that, I have a liscence and about once per year, I get a free upgrade to the new version. I don't know how that's possible but that's the deal. So, I open TotalRecorder, point it at the sound card, set levels, and tell it to record into the format of my choice: mp3 or wav. I think the "RealPlayer" people have something similar for about 3x more money. After that, I assume that your burner software will be able to burn a CD from one of those formats. If you have a friend with an outboard CD burner that attaches to the stereo, things are easier. Just hook it into the DVD player instead of the stereo and burn. Best of luck. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:12:45 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #444 - Joni Tribute Album I understand that the album is long finished, but is stuck in record-company limbo - the company that was to release the album is no more, Reprise is still operating, right? Or was it a different company? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:14:25 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #444 - Geffen release I suppose that is the Geffen box - Passion Play is a good name.....hmmmmmmm. Apparently the title "Passion Play" has been dropped. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:19:43 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: what works for depression. a wee bit JC Hello out there. It is late and...I have been lurking but feel compelled to come out and say something, re depression and the recent topics. I am currently supporting a friend who is battling cancer, one of the reasons I have not had the desire or time to post anything. She is only a few years older than I am, still young at 46, her youngest of four kids is only 12. It seems is such a common factor now, in all our lives, to be dealing with loss and despair. (and my heart goes out to those who are grieving right now, those who have reached out to the list) But one of the emotions(if indeed emotion is the right word) to describe the feeling that I notice overwhelming me after I have dealt with the depression/ celtic twilight stuff, is loneliness. I have good friends who are like gold dust and one is a fellow Joni Tom waits fan which, if you knew the area I lived in, you would understand it to be something of a miracle that we met. But at the moment, with out boring you with personal details I find myself dealing with acceptance, this is how it "is" just me out there. Which brings me to the list, I joined because of a deep love and gratitude for Joni's gift, her music. As lama pointed out about music being a a remedy for depression and mentioned Motzart, I agree with that and more. But I also wanted to experiment with this as a way of communicating safely with like minded people, so far I have not been that prolific or that brave with my e-mails. However, I think Hejira should be available on prescrpition if that doesn't sound too glib. It has got me through so much and continues to teach me more and that is to me anyway, the sign of a true work of art, one that can be revisited again and again, especially when your pain needs to find and answering and understanding echo. What works for me as I struggle to understand my self and all that ... trying to loose the blues...and the dark greys and the really dark stuff in my head.. well I live near the sea, so I walk a lot, the stars, the sky the mountains, the scottish sense of humour, EDDIE IZZARD (any show he is fantastic) ANIMALS! but most of all POETRY. This is for you brave folk who shared your pain...in other words all of us.... "You do not have to be good. You do not have to walk on your knees for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting. You only have to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves. Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine. Meanwhile the world goes on. Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain are moving across the landscapes, over the prairies and the deep trees, the mountains and the rivers. Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air, are heading home again. Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination, calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting- over and over anouncing your place in the family of things" *Some of you may know this, I hope you enjoy. Love in the night from the west of Scotland Maggie.. ** NP Mad mission Patti Griffin... ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:51:36 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's lack of informed writers In a message dated 9/5/03 3:01:37 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni in Rolling Stone They picked "All I Want" as the guitar reference tune. Pathetic. Music press like the music business is increasingly devoid of people who know anything about music. They'll put themselves out of business. >> Not as long as the majority of their readers know even less than them and don't really care. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:54:41 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #444 - Geffen release > I suppose that is the Geffen box - Passion Play is a good name.....hmmmmmmm. > >> Apparently the title "Passion Play" has been dropped. Too bad it is a good title, but maybe "The Windfall" would be more appropriate. Patty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:04:28 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Remembering Dave In a message dated 9/5/03 3:01:37 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: magsnbrei Subject: remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 >> I'm sorry to hear of your loss, Mags, but your experience reminded me of something that I thought I'd share. When a close aunt of mine died several years ago, her sons informed everyone that there would be no typical funeral parlor set-up with people coming, paying last respects, etc. I was surprised and felt they owed their mother this last tradition. They DID invite all the closest relatives and friends to their house, however, where a minister from their church read some scriptures and opened up something similar to what you related; he asked all present to "remember" Aunt Dot and tell everyone how you want to remember her. Everyone took a turn, in order around the room, and we related little stories and anedotes from over many years. We laughed & we cried but this, I found, was far better than the typical funeral parlor visit where baside from a quick trip to the casket & a quick prayerbmost folks then sit around talking with others about anything BUT the dearly departed. Sorry for the long njc text but I thought it was apropos. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:06:50 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:New member from Jersey In a message dated 9/5/03 3:01:37 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: newbie >> Hi and welcome, Tim; I'm just across the river so if you're ever out Long Island way, give me a shout. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:11:27 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Those black 12 inch plastic things In a message dated 9/5/03 3:01:37 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: "ash" Subject: Re: Yes in concert and old age! PS: I've got loads of those black plastic 12 inch thingies too but I'll never bung 'em. The sleeves are so much better than those bloody eyetests they put in with the silver frisbees! >> I agree with you, Ash; I'll NEVER part with my old vinyl. Besides, some great stuff will never be rereleased on CD so the only place you'll ever hear stuff like Hudson & Ford (of Strawbs fame) will be on your turntable. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:20:18 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #278 In a message dated 9/5/03 3:01:37 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Andrea I'm very saddened to hear the news about Andrea. My heart goes out to her family and friends. My own father committed suicide this same month 9 years ago. I sometimes think his troubles were that he cared too much. >> Mia, I sometimes think that the people who take their own life are sometimes less affected by OTHER people's actions and rather are too HARD on themselves when they fail in something; expecting too much from themselves or setting their goals unrealisticly high. Obviously, there are many reasons and differ from person to person but my theory coincides with what you felt about your dad. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC --- Ms M wrote: > Hello out there. It is late and...I have been > lurking but > feel compelled to come out and say something, re > depression > and the recent topics. > I am currently supporting a friend who is battling > cancer, > one of the reasons I have not had the desire or time > to > post anything. She is only a few years older than I > am, > still young at 46, her youngest of four kids is only > 12. > It seems is such a common factor now, in all our > lives, to > be dealing with loss and despair. I'm sorry to hear about your friend and I hope she can overcome this. My sister has had a couple of friends, and the mother of one of her sons, go through this too. It sucks and it's so not fair. But I also wanted to experiment with > this as > a way of communicating safely with like minded > people, so > far I have not been that prolific or that brave with > my > e-mails. Your posts are always welcome, so feel free to chime in whenever you want. > However, I think Hejira should be > available on > prescrpition if that doesn't sound too glib. It has > got me > through so much and continues to teach me more and > that is > to me anyway, the sign of a true work of art, one > that can > be revisited again and again, especially when your > pain > needs to find and answering and understanding echo. I second that, especially if my drug plan will pay - music hath charms to soothe the savage breast and CDs are definitely cheaper than Rx drugs, so it sounds like one of those win/win situations to me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:59:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Remembering Dave --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: When a close > aunt of mine died several > years ago, her sons informed everyone that there > would be no typical funeral > parlor set-up with people coming, paying last > respects, etc. I was surprised and > felt they owed their mother this last tradition. > They DID invite all the closest relatives and > friends to their house, > however, where a minister from their church read > some scriptures and opened up > something similar to what you related; he asked all > present to "remember" Aunt > Dot and tell everyone how you want to remember her. > Everyone took a turn, in > order around the room, and we related little stories > and anedotes from over many > years. We laughed & we cried but this, I found, was > far better than the > typical funeral parlor visit where baside from a > quick trip to the casket & a > quick prayerbmost folks then sit around talking > with others about anything BUT the > dearly departed. I like that. When I croak, that's what I want. None of this funeral home crap. People need to laugh as well as cry, and have some good food and drink while they're at it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #279 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)