From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #274 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 274 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Rufus Wainwright Journeys To "Gay Hell" and Back: 8/31/03 NY Times [Richa] Jackie Mason Laundries [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: Chelsea Morning/Happy Songs ["kh012f5050" ] Re: happy Joni songs ["StephenToogood" ] Re: "Sing Out" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) ["J.David Sapp" ] Tlog and the Geffen Box [w evans ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) [Doug ] Re: Tlog and the Geffen Box [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) ["Mark or Travis] get me off this list [QingCong@aol.com] Today's Library Links: September 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:08:46 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Rufus Wainwright Journeys To "Gay Hell" and Back: 8/31/03 NY Times It's a doozy of an article... I have to hand it to him, he's got bigger balls than I ever thought. And . . . his newest oeuvre is truly a masterwork. With the likes of Moulin Rouge soundtrack, as well as Bowie and Bjork producer Marius De Vries... it is an album #3 in a great (thank heavens now that he's gotten himself into recovery), career.... and it includes: Linda and Teddy Thompson, Kate McGarrigle, Martha Wainwright, Levon Helm, Charlie Sexton, and Maria and Geoff Muldaur's daughter, Jenni.... http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/31/arts/music/31DECU.html ~Richard n.p. CSNY -'Four Dead in Ohio' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:52:55 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Jackie Mason Laundries Bob, This is priceless and from an Irish lad, no less. I'm saving it. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:16 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning/Happy Songs > Regarding happy songs, Steve writes: > > << And correct me if I'm wrong; she's not done too many of those. >> You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio is a wonderfully joyous song. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 06:11:59 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: BSN cover To Stephen Toogood When I said I liked the cover of BSN, I was definitely referring to the front and back. That's why I love the T-shirt so much, because it has both images, front and back. I would kill for one in a small because they are always so darn big on me. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:56:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning >And you know there may be more: To my ears, "Underneath The Streetlight" is the happiest song she's ever written Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:39:24 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: "Sing Out" Bob wrote: Others watching it at the Full Moon thought that Joni looked scared in 1965 and more sure of herself in 1966. Anyway, you can watch it and see for yourself...either way it's AMAZING footage, and excellent quality too! - ---------------------------- I think there is a much happier youthful girl in Joni Anderson" Sing Out" laughing, playing flirtatiously with the camera. But when we see her a year later, married, betrayed and ready to run we see a much darker side, the beginning of being disturbed that Joni herself spoke of in WOHAM. Her radical bangs, a deeper mystical voice, the beginning of looking down while performing, much more mature singing of her" Urge for going' soon to be running off to Florida. Giving up her baby was the beginning of the most treasured catalogue any artist, vocal, visual, lyrical, and instrumental has ever laid down. I ache for her, the pain she went through to give us these treasures. I miss everyone! Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:45:37 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning/Happy Songs Re happy Joni songs.. I find 'Free Man in Paris' one of the most joyful songs, along with 'Carey'.. how can you not want to joyfully go find that very good friend or smash your empty glasses down ?? I have a category on my iTunes and these two, along with Car on a Hill, Chelsea Morning, Help Me (another happy song!) and You Turn Me on are all there, when I need a pick me up... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:15:12 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Fwd: "Sing Out" Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINYB31-1773f52065d1be; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:30:06 -0400 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB15-1773f52065d1be; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:29:49 -0400 Received: from computer (h0010b5b18fdb.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.2.23](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200308311404220160021hnne>; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:04:23 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c36efd$acdaaf60$1702da18@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "Christopher Treacy" To: References: Subject: Re: "Sing Out" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-AOL-IP: 204.127.202.64 I'm missing the rest of this thread for some reason - where is this footage available?? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: "Sing Out" > Bob wrote: > > Others watching it at the Full Moon thought that Joni looked scared in > 1965 and more sure of herself in 1966. Anyway, you can watch it and see for > yourself...either way it's AMAZING footage, and excellent quality too! > ---------------------------- > I think there is a much happier youthful girl in Joni Anderson" Sing Out" > laughing, playing flirtatiously with the camera. But when we see her a year > later, married, betrayed and ready to run we see a much darker side, the > beginning of being disturbed that Joni herself spoke of in WOHAM. Her radical bangs, a > deeper mystical voice, the beginning of looking down while performing, much > more mature singing of her" Urge for going' soon to be running off to Florida. > Giving up her baby was the beginning of the most treasured catalogue any > artist, vocal, visual, lyrical, and instrumental has ever laid down. I ache for > her, the pain she went through to give us these treasures. > I miss everyone! > > Peace > Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:16:20 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Fwd: "Sing Out" Return-path: From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Full-name: MINGSDANCE Message-ID: <66.35a20457.2c836a62@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:12:34 EDT Subject: Re: "Sing Out" To: whizzboom@comcast.net, SCJoniGuy@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Just contact SCJoniGuy@aol.com, He can get it for you,well worth it. Why he is almost like Jesus with his Joni covers program, and his knowlege of the girl. There is even rumor that he has been posing as the Big Guy down there in South Carolina. I wonder if Mel Gibson needs an Understudy for that movie he's making about Jesus? This Bob guy can even sing the part!:-) Good Luck Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:27:03 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Yeah I guess there are more than I thought. 'Carey' always makes me smile. Steve NP: 'Good Friends' - Joni (this one isn't too sad either) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning > Regarding happy songs, Steve writes: > > << And correct me if I'm wrong; she's not done too many of those. >> > > Joni has said, "I sing my sorrow, I paint my joy." But I think the following > is a selection of songs she has written and/or performed that aren't too sad. > And you know there may be more: > > Morning Morgantown > > Night in the City > > Night Ride Home > > Coyote > > Ray's Dad's Cadillac > > Help Me > > You Dream Flat Tires > > Face Lift > > Just Like This Train > > (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care > > Conversation (Especially the way our Claud sings it!) > > Twisted > > Big Yellow Taxi > > Be Cool > > God Must Be a Boogie Man > > In France They Kiss on Main Street > > Carey > > The Jackie Mason Laundries > > And, of course, the dreaded . . . > > Dancin' Clown > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:29:34 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: happy Joni songs > To my ears, "Underneath The Streetlight" is the happiest song she's ever > written > > Bob One of the worst too! "Yes I do..." - Oh no Joni! Steve NP: 'Fiction' - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:54:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Sing Out" >But when we see her a year >later, married, betrayed and ready to run we see a much darker side, the >beginning of being disturbed that Joni herself spoke of in WOHAM. Very good point & I agree 100%, David...it's mind-boggling to think about the life experiences she had in that year between Oct. '65 & Oct. '66, defining moments that shaped her life & career forever. Maybe it's just invention on my part, but I can almost see a sadness & melancholy behind her smile and youthful beauty. I miss you too, buddy! I think of you every day when I look at the framed Joni PROUDLY displayed in my living room (even if she IS waving goodbye to me...) Bob NP: Rockapella, "Anna Begins" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:37:40 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) This is truly an amazing piece of history. One thing that struck me, i even noticed at that early stage of her career the other musicians were looking at her like "how is she doing that?" Bob do we know how this tape survived? There weren't VCR's in '65. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Tlog and the Geffen Box couple thoughts after reading the last 2 or 3 digests. First, hello again everyone... this is ken, of ken and steve in atlanta, for anyone who remembers or cares. Doing fine.. anyways My problem with Tlog is that at least half of the songs sound like they're meant to be the epic closing track of the album. In fact, I count five that actually did close their respective orginal albums, six if you count trouble child (since twisted, despite being one of my very favorite joni performances, is somewhat of a coda) Comparing Tlog to BSN, one thing that made BSN a bit easier to digest was that COY and BSN functioned as the epic closers of what felt like sides one and two, with the rest of the tracks providing some forward momentum and pacing. With so many songs on Tlog having that grand feel, even ones that are, like, track 4, and feeling like that's it but then there's another and it makes it difficult to be motivated to get through the darn thing. My feeling on the Geffen box is that, even though it contains a few of her worst albums, there's enough good stuff on them that it's verymuch worth having decent-sounding versions of these--- remember, it's not just a repackaging, I'm expecting these to sound substantially better than the current CDs, most of which are brittle and compressed, especially DED and CM. I would also think that if the liner notes are long enough for Joni to discuss nearly every one of the songs on it, then that's worth the price alone, if only to hear her explain herself since some of these albums are ones for which she definitely has some explaining to do! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:02:20 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) The shows were recorded on a kinescope by which the video image is scanned onto movie film. A TV station would then use a telecine to convert the film back to video for broadcast. This was normal procedure up to the late '60s when video recorders became more affordable and reliable. Doug J.David Sapp wrote: > Bob do we know how this tape survived? There weren't VCR's in '65. > > peace, david > > . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:22:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) Doug wrote: > The shows were recorded on a kinescope by which the video image is > scanned onto movie film. > A TV station would then use a telecine to convert the film back to > video for broadcast. This > was normal procedure up to the late '60s when video recorders became > more affordable and reliable. > I thought the kinescope method became obsolete after Desi Arnaz came up with the idea of actually filming 'I Love Lucy' on 35mm film. This left behind a much superior image on film that could easily be re-broadcast or transferred to video tape. That was in the early 50s. Mark E. in Seatte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:59:31 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) Pre-recorded shows were filmed but until the advent of video tape recorders, the only way to record live TV was by filming the picture from a TV monitor- hence, a kinescope. Ernie Kovacs was a pioneer in using video tape. Mark or Travis wrote: >Doug wrote: > > >>The shows were recorded on a kinescope by which the video image is >>scanned onto movie film. >>A TV station would then use a telecine to convert the film back to >>video for broadcast. This >>was normal procedure up to the late '60s when video recorders became >>more affordable and reliable. >> >> >> > >I thought the kinescope method became obsolete after Desi Arnaz came >up with the idea of actually filming 'I Love Lucy' on 35mm film. This >left behind a much superior image on film that could easily be >re-broadcast or transferred to video tape. That was in the early 50s. > >Mark E. in Seatte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:29:21 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: happy Joni songs Night in the City is a happy song. Sisotowbell Lane is not a bouncy, perky song, but it *is* happy. Cotton Avenue? The Crazy Cries of Love - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:30:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tlog and the Geffen Box Hi Ken, I know what you mean...I was listening to T'log in the car today, and it starts out so nicely with "Otis", and "Amelia" (which is just lovely) and "Flat Tires" which I really like (though I'd like to up the tempo a bit and get rid of some of the symphonic quality & let Billy wail on the organ), then "Woodstock" just bogs it down...my son, who is well-informed of Joni's work, said "Dad, this is SO boring, is this one ever going to end?" And I had to agree that I didn't have any problem with the quality of Joni's vocal, just the lack of vocal inspiration on some of these tracks, and like you say the repeated "EPIC" feel of so many of them. I think that what makes "Judgement Of The Moon & Stars" & "Down To You" work SO well in their original releases is that they have an epic feel but the other tracks don't, so they stand out all the more, and of course they're both great songs anyway. OK, I'm rambling now, but I just wanted to comment. I'm still giving T'log some play in different setting and trying to appreciate it more. It just seems that there were so many wrong decisions made with it. Bob NP: Hint, "You Little Trooper" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:35:09 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) David Sadowski wrote: > Pre-recorded shows were filmed but until the advent of video tape > recorders, the only way to record live TV was by filming the picture > from a TV monitor- hence, a kinescope. Ok, that makes sense. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:25:40 EDT From: QingCong@aol.com Subject: get me off this list how do i get off this list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 02:19:31 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 1 On September 1 the following article was published: 1979: "Mitchell jazzy in sound, looks" - Freehold News Transcript (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=868 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #274 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)