From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #269 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 269 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A Classic Case ["Paul Castle" ] Bob's remarks on the Catholic church [Aerchak@aol.com] staring a hole? ["Wally Kairuz" ] The Catholic Church [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Counting Crow's concert [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: The Catholic Church [Roger Burns ] Re: Guitarists ["Larry D." ] Joni & Sports [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] JoniCento [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: sexism in the temptation stories- now joni content ["ron" ] Re: Joni & Sports ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Amelia in a new book [Deb Messling ] I'm a desperate fan! [Monica Anastase ] Re: staring a hole? [Catherine McKay ] Re: staring a hole? ["kerry" ] Re: joni mentions and pic in uncut magazine [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati] Re: I'm a desperate fan! [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: Joni & Sports [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: staring a hole? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] warren zevon on vh1 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni & Sports 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: staring a hole? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: warren zevon on vh1 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] I'm a desperate fan! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] little ireland [greenstudio@northcom.net] staring a hole [cul heath ] Re: staring a hole? [Michael Paz ] RE: warren zevon on vh1 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: St. Kakki [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: St. Kakki ["kakki" ] FW: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists ["Kate Bennett" ] I'm a desperate fan! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] JONI COVERS?? [Cactustree78@aol.com] Today in History: August 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:57:43 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: A Classic Case Found this in 'A Conversation with Martin Carthy', an interview by John McLaughlin from The Folk Life Quarterly back in 1979 see http://www.thedigitalfolklife.org/martincarthy.html talking about 'stardom' on the folk scene > John:...there's a chosen spiral up and out of the coffeehouses >and into the bigger halls each time a musician comes round the >circuit, until they get priced out of the small clubs. Joni Mitchell >is a classic case. So now she writes laments for the fact she >has swimming pools.. >Martin: And that sense of envy for the man who >"was singing real good for free." >John: Yes. "City of the fallen angels," and she should know, >if anybody does. >Martin: I like her music a lot, actually. >John: I'm in love with her! >Martin: Oh yes. But I know what you mean, exactly. >And playing at Art for Art's Sake isn't on, either. >John: Wilde says, "Who is Art, that he should have a sake?" (Laughter) >Martin: There was a little bit of that in England, not a lot, but some. >There used to be more. There used to be more Joni Mitchell style >music. Ralph McTell, for example. >John: I have one of his old albums on tape somewhere - >his "Song to a Seagull" is on that. It's lovely. best to all PaulC (currently rosinating!) www.rosinators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:27:01 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Bob's remarks on the Catholic church Bob, I applaud your post on the Catholic church. I could not have said it better myself, so I won't. Recovering Catholic, Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:19:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: staring a hole? i've just realized that this line from coyote seems to lack a preposition. don't people always say "stare AT something"? does "staring a hole in his scrambled eggs" sound idiomatic? wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:33:34 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: The Catholic Church Sorry to give a little Catholic Sunday school lesson here, but I was exposed to anti-Catholic bigotry as a child and it amazed me then and amazes me even more to see some of it displayed here on the list all these years later. Not saying at *all*, Mark that you have displayed this,but I have felt it in some of the other posts and sometimes one feels the need to set some of the record straight. Kakki - ------------------------- Kakki, I believe the entire world saw a total genocide on all of the native people by the Catholic church, including California how they lied to all of those people that the bill of rights failed. In California Practically every town their is taken from some Catholic mission. They have done a lot of very sick and evil to every indigenous person on earth "If you don't believe like we do you must be a heathen or savage, but not to worry we'll change you to be just like us"! They were tied to the governments of World domination. I speak as one of those indigenous people. Sorry to be harsh about it but I as a human being cannot condone such evil. "After the church got through (the catholic church) they traded their beads for bottles smashed on railway avenues" Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Counting Crow's concert They will be playing here in a few weeks at USF. Just announced that Diana Ross' daughter was to be opening for them. Jerry Quoting vince : > I can't get the actual article since the archives will not let me but in > > the August 5th Kalamazoo Gazette, the concert review of their appearance > > in Grand Rapids' Van Andel Arena, their version of BYT was praised and > Joni was mentioned by name. > > It said their version of BYT was "peppy" (in a good way) and it wasn't > til they did it that they opened up and started playing good. > > Vince > > (I can't search the GR Press either that far back - the search feature > only allows a 14 day search - maybe if I read my papers faster I would > have had this info sooner...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:59:31 +0000 From: Roger Burns Subject: Re: The Catholic Church I know I'm new here, but could this thread be moved to NJC? Thanks for your consideration. - Roger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Guitarists Sister Rosetta Tharpe. - ---------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:23:17 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists Reuters reports that Joni Mitchell came in at #72 on Rolling Stone's list of the 100 top guitarists of all time. Jimi Hendrix is number 1. The only other woman to make the list is Joan Jett, at #87. Not sure from the Reuters article if this is a reader's poll or a creation of the Rollling Stone editors. I can think of a couple of other women who might deserve to make such a list. Didn't someone on the list recently mention Ellen McIlwaine? What about Rory Block? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:23:18 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & Sports (Thanks to Hell for the offlist inspiration for this one): Joni's writing covers a gamut of subjects, but one topic which she barely addresses, which is a tremendous part of our culture, is sports. I can't think of any reference to Baseball/Football/Basketball/Soccer in her songs, indeed the only sports references that Hell came up with are: 1. The Hockey mention in Raised On Robbery; 2. Richard got married to a figure skater 3. The very obscure "golfer's tee" mention in the unsung portion of "Paprika Plains". Now each of these references is sorta on the negative side - the jokers glued to that damn hockey game, Richard's figure skater mentioned in an eye-rolling way, and the Golfer's tee used as a comparison to a nuclear mushroom cloud! Joni is obviously surrounded by sports, living in LA where many celebrities are seen at Lakers games and etc. I wonder if she casts a negative eye on sports/competition in general? Maybe it comes from her suffering from polio and not being able to compete athletically at that point in her life? "Let's see you run We'll be betting by the starting gun Shall we shower you with flowers Or shall we shun ya When your race is run?" Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Bad Liver & A Broken Heart" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:13:48 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: JoniCento Some of you may recall that among the presentations at "Wall to Wall" Joni in NYC this year was a "Cento" made up of all Joni lines... I mentioned it a week or so ago referring to the Sugarpants performance as well. Well, I just discovered that this Cento is posted on the web, so that those of you who might be interested can see what was said. Keep in mind that while the lyrics were being recited, a local punkish-type trio band was playing "Jungle Line"... http://www.unpleasanteventschedule.com/JoniCento.htm Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Fawn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:08:22 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: sexism in the temptation stories- now joni content hi >>>>>>vince wrote >>>>>>Boys may sow their wild oats, but girls are bad and the bad influence/corrupting girls must be put away. well, i have heard a couple of different teachings on this, within the same church. seems to me the only real sexism evident in the story is that of adam. closely followed on that is the blaming of god for our own actions.. adam blamed first the woman, - the *woman* - then god - that *you* gave me.......... now the women in the magdalene laundries get blamed for being "temptresses" when the bible clearly states that we are tempted by being led astray of our *own* lusts............ and also people blame god for our actions. bad experiences with churches, "christians" etc lead to rejection / condemnation of god instead of the people who are responsible. and one of the reason why i love the magdalene laundries is quite simply because joni nailed it right on. she blames the people, not god. These bloodless brides of Jesus If they had just once glimpsed their groom Then they'd know and they'd drop the stones Concealed behind their rosaries They wilt the grass they walk upon They leech the light out of a room They'd like to drive us down the drain At the Magdalene laundries and of course, a special thanks is due to Les Ross for bringing something so fresh and gentle and beautiful to the song. people talk about hearing a pin drop - man, i dont think anyone would have heard an anvil drop in that hall during that set - all attention was fully focussed.............. ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:28:01 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni mentions and pic in uncut magazine hi not sure if anyone mentioned this yet - the july issue of uncut has a feature article on neil young. theres mention of her in the main story, as well as a pic of him with joni, and a sidebar discussing him and jonis relationship. they say that circle game was written for neil, in response to sugar mountain, which ive never heard before - well not the songg - ive heard both songs - i just never heard that circle game was written for neil :-) they also mention that neil wrote "sweet joni" for her, "only love can break your heart" is about her & graham nash, and mention that there has been speculation that "stupid girl" was written for her as well. ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:31:52 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni & Sports - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Joni's writing covers a gamut of subjects, but one topic which > she barely addresses, which is a tremendous part of our culture, > is sports. > > I can't think of any reference to Baseball/Football/Basketball/Soccer > in her songs, That's true isn't it? There are a few references to skating, sailing and running . There are lots of odes to everyone's favorite sport: GOAT DANCING. Is this unusual do you think? I'm trying to think of sports references in song and besides the famous few there aren't that many sports based songs, are there? I don't suppose "Yankee Yachts and lobster pots" qualifies... :>) How about if it was Yankee bats and lobster pots, but you'd have to use a Red Sox fan's accent to make the rhyme. Had a little earthquake here in NJ today, but I think maybe it was because the Boss is coming back on Thursday and the Big Man just rumbled across the Jersey state line. Patty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:58:34 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Amelia in a new book The lyrics to Amelia, among other poems, are featured in a new book, Flight: A Celebration of 100 Years in Art and Literature. http://tinyurl.com/la8c - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Anastase Subject: I'm a desperate fan! I have been lookink for Joni's albums like crazy and have been quite unlucky. I've only found "Hissing of summer lawns", "Don Juan's reckless daughter" and that's about all. And I'm spending hours and hours on the net using Kazaa, but it's very hard.... I thought maybe some other of you fans of hers could help me in some way.... Please help meeeeeeeee!! Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:55:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: staring a hole? --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i've just realized that this line from coyote seems > to lack a preposition. > don't people always say "stare AT something"? does > "staring a hole in his > scrambled eggs" sound idiomatic? > wally It's because he's staring so hard at the scrambled eggs, that he's making a hole in them (burning with his eyes). If there was a hole in them already, he might stare at IT, but he's not. So there. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:59:56 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: staring a hole? Wally, In this phrase, AT isn't needed because he isn't staring AT the hole in the eggs. She's using this phrase to say that he's practically "making" a hole in the eggs by staring so hard. It's not a common idiomatic phrase, but we know what she means by it. (Staring doesn't always go with "at." It's also used with "into," i.e. "He's staring into the distance." or "She's staring into a microscope.") I'm not sure if this answers your question. I was trying to think of a phrase that would be similar, but couldn't. Just Joni being creative again? Kerry P.S. I'm still having flashbacks of Bob Murphy staring a hole in Susan's scrambled eggs at the fest! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wally Kairuz To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: staring a hole? > i've just realized that this line from coyote seems to lack a preposition. > don't people always say "stare AT something"? does "staring a hole in his > scrambled eggs" sound idiomatic? > wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:14:26 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: joni mentions and pic in uncut magazine Hum, that's one of my favourite sports: gossip, yeah! Thank, Ron! BTW I confess that for ages I thought Neil was the *only* in CSN&Y "related" to Joni! You know, that Last Waltz's Helpless you remember, it was a Full Force Gale for me! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: joni mentions and pic in uncut magazine > hi > > > not sure if anyone mentioned this yet - the july issue of uncut has a feature > article on neil young. theres mention of her in the main story, as well as a > pic of him with joni, and a sidebar discussing him and jonis relationship. > they say that circle game was written for neil, in response to sugar mountain, > which ive never heard before - well not the songg - ive heard both songs - i > just never heard that circle game was written for neil :-) > > they also mention that neil wrote "sweet joni" for her, "only love can break > your heart" is about her & graham nash, and mention that there has been > speculation that "stupid girl" was written for her as well. > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:27:20 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: I'm a desperate fan! Monica, try rejoicing HOSL & DJRD by now, and tell all your friends and family about it for your next BD ;-) Where are you from? Here in Spain there aren't many SIQUOMB's albums in stores... but the wwweb sellers ship worlwide: try Armedio.com: it has very nice prizes. Yours: Emiliano - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Anastase" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: I'm a desperate fan! > I have been lookink for Joni's albums like crazy and have been quite unlucky. I've only found "Hissing of summer lawns", "Don Juan's reckless daughter" and that's about all. And I'm spending hours and hours on the net using Kazaa, but it's very hard.... I thought maybe some other of you fans of hers could help me in some way.... > > Please help meeeeeeeee!! > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:28:39 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: sexism in the temptation stories- n j c Wow, Ron! You've settled it down so well, IMHO! I think I'd like to have this Ron's post as the last, at least 'till xmas, about churches. Great Les Ross rendition... it's on its (long) way to me, I'll let you know when I delight in it. Ruby Mary Neruda J. McBride's *herstory*... so masterly written by you, Lucy... Vince's post... so useful & inspired at always... Catherine, Mark, Kakki, Kate et al.... you rock! but carry on with the churches... would you please take this to JMDLPoliticalContent Many many thanks & Have a Wonderful time: Emiliano PS: let me post twice this: > when the bible clearly states that we are tempted by being led astray of our > *own* lusts............ NP: Tom Waits: Tom Traubert's Blues (you'll go Waltzing Matilda with me) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: "vince" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: Re: sexism in the temptation stories- now joni content > hi > >>>>>>vince wrote -[reflecting some normal way of thinking] > >>>>>>Boys may sow their wild oats, but girls are bad and > the bad influence/corrupting girls must be put away. > > > well, i have heard a couple of different teachings on this, within the same > church. seems to me the only real sexism evident in the story is that of > adam. closely followed on that is the blaming of god for our own actions.. > adam blamed first the woman, - the *woman* - then god - that *you* gave > me.......... > > now the women in the magdalene laundries get blamed for being "temptresses" > when the bible clearly states that we are tempted by being led astray of our > *own* lusts............ > > and also people blame god for our actions. bad experiences with churches, > "christians" etc lead to rejection / condemnation of god instead of the > people who are responsible. > > and one of the reason why i love the magdalene laundries is quite simply > because joni nailed it right on. she blames the people, not god. > > These bloodless brides of Jesus > If they had just once glimpsed their groom > Then they'd know and they'd drop the stones > Concealed behind their rosaries > They wilt the grass they walk upon > They leech the light out of a room > They'd like to drive us down the drain > At the Magdalene laundries > > and of course, a special thanks is due to Les Ross for bringing something so > fresh and gentle and beautiful to the song. people talk about hearing a pin > drop - man, i dont think anyone would have heard an anvil drop in that hall > during that set - all attention was fully focussed.............. > > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:24:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: staring a hole? i'm not sure if i totally understand your question wally but to me this sentence works because it describes the kind of stare that is laser like, creating a hole... after i gave birth i remember writing a little poem about how i was staring a hole in the tea cup (you were supposed to pick something to focus on while you were breathing during contractions)...now i know where i got that expression from! >i've just realized that this line from coyote seems to lack a preposition. don't people always say "stare AT something"? does "staring a hole in his scrambled eggs" sound idiomatic?< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:22:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Sports In a message dated 8/26/2003 5:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, p.a.oconnor@worldnet.att.net writes: >Is this unusual do you think? I'm trying to think of sports >references in song and besides the famous few there aren't that >many sports >based songs, are there? I guess I was comparing her with the male songwriters I listen to (Springsteen, Waits, etc.) so there are not as many sports references as you'd think. Plus, it just seems that Joni writes about EVERYTHING. >I don't suppose "Yankee Yachts and lobster pots" qualifies... :>) I don't think so, but it gave me a good chuckle! And if it pulled you out of delurk mode even for just a moment it was worthwhile. Great to hear from you Patty! Bob NP: Landscape Prayers, "Topper Seven" (Hey Ron, this SA sampler is a rockin' good time!! Thanks so much for the effort.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:37:58 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: staring a hole? Yes, it a colloquial verbal, expression. There is an implied phrase. She's saying, "Coyote was lost in thought during breakfast. He was staring into his eggs as if to burn a hole through them." In Ohio during the 80s, one might have heard, "You're gonna stare a hole though that poster of Farrah Fawcett." There's probably a better example out there but it's the first one in my brain. Besides, "in his scrambled eggs" is already a prepositional phrase....... Lama Wally asked, > i've just realized that this line from coyote seems to lack a preposition. don't people always say "stare AT something"? does "staring a hole in his scrambled eggs" sound idiomatic?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:02:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: warren zevon on vh1 thanks to anne for bringing this show to my attention...it was a wonderful, funny, tender & very moving tribute to the man...i admire so much what he is doing right now & so happy he was able to complete his project & see his grandsons born...i loved the conversation between warren & gorge (old friend & producer of his album) which reminded me a bit of what a great friend nash has been to crosby...did anyone else see it? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:57:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni & Sports 100% JC Sometimes she's been negative about sports. Yeah. But then she noted some skaters circling in vigorous anonymity. [Jesus, what a mouthful. What a nervy broad!] She's generally positive about dancing. To one of my ex-girlfriends, it was a *very* real substitution. (Imagine a 20-year-old who does 6 hours of high-impact dance-ercise every week. In shorts. If she asked you if dancercise "counts" as a sport, you'd be a believer!) BTW, tonight I did a full hour on the NordicTrak for the first time in 6 months. Slowly mind you, but I finished the hour. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:06:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: staring a hole? kate, cath, jim, kerry and all the others the took the time, thank you!!!! i do get it now! my non-native speaker ear was taking the expression literally, that's why i thought i was missing a preposition. what a great line now that i understand it! love to you all, my dears, as emiliano says. wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:12:48 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: warren zevon on vh1 In a message dated 8/26/03 10:02:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > ...did anyone else see it? > > me saw it. I had to laugh when he met Bruce and said "You really are you!!!! What a witty guy he is despite his illness. I love the songs on his new CD. I can't wait to get it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:12:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: I'm a desperate fan! Hi Monica, I've never heard of a store called "Kazaa". If you want the CDs, try www.amazon.com . If you want the LPs, go to www.ebay.com . If "Kazaa" is anything like "Napster", then I can't possibly help you. The visual work on her albums is as rich as her music and her words. To get the full effect you need the whole package. Now that you've absorbed "Hissing" and "Don Juan", you have an idea of the quality she will bring to your purchases. Lay your hands on the CD player and repeat this five times: "I have found the milk of the Madonna." "I am saved." Go forth and sin no more, my child. Lama >>I have been lookink for Joni's albums like crazy and have been quite unlucky. I've only found "Hissing of summer lawns", "Don Juan's reckless daughter" and that's about all. And I'm spending hours and hours on the net using Kazaa, but it's very hard.... I thought maybe some other of you fans of hers could help me in some way....>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:26:16 -0400 From: greenstudio@northcom.net Subject: little ireland I wish I could say I'm surprised at the intensity of feeling and opinion regarding Catholicism and "organized religion" just lately on the list, but oddly enough I've been thinking about such matters in a place where we don't much discuss these matters and it was kinda cool to hear y'all contributing your voices to the ones in my head. And Kakki the voice of cautious reason, that was good too. I live all of a sudden (this was not what I imagined - things fall so oddly into place) in a sort of little Ireland in Ontario in Canada, about four hours north of the big smoke Toronto. Barely a village. The church bells measure my days. Once last winter I saw a tall thin priest in a black cassock making a house call at the big, white house across the highway. He was the only black thing in the landscape, the only tailored thing. My father was born here, Irish-Indian Backwoods catholic. It was his romantic fortune to marry a fanatic backwood Baptist. Scandalous. This was the early fifties. I'm pretty well aquainted with anti catholic and anti protestant bigotry. I'm the skeptical child of it, or more exactly, perhaps of it being transcended. My ma had less trouble accepting my first boyfriend than she had accepting that for quite awhile I made my living painting traditional icons for a living. Homosexuality was a little less a leap than idolatry and Mary worship. So I've studied closely too people's reactions to religious symbolism... reacting at shows to the crucifixes and totems of their childhoods, happily or not, and to my usually rather wined up and not significantly spiritual looking presence as creator. How odd a world it was, and oh it has changed. I work in the kitchen in the hotel up the street with my own Cherokee Louise (jonicontent) and my old Catholic aunts come in on Sunday after mass and I sneak them extra whipped cream. I have a beer now and then with a catholic cousin in the roadhouse and even with the most mullettted and drunk of them there's this complete bafflement about what our parents were fighting about. The place was so isolated then. We get a busload of European hikers through a day to the hostel, and people don't divide up into camps so much. But here's the clinker, the point of the story: the old guy downstairs was a friend of my father's, and delusional at the best of times, (my spousal unit says he's like an obscene Elmer Fudd), and if he's drinking and he lays eyes on me he'll go on all night long sometimes in the room under my painting studio, arguing the old arguments about religion with my long dead daddy, who won't even come downstairs for a shot since he met that protestant so and so down the hill, until he falls to sleep. Very Stephen King and kinda spooky so you can see how I might be a little reassured by this lately coming up on the list as something people are also a little hopped up about out in the real world.. Sometimes you don't know what surface to scratch. Thanks guys. Sorry to be long winded. Here's some just barely Joni content, probably familiar only to Catherine in Toronto. I don't know. I've been away. I tend to get a lot of faith hill right in the face at work so I wash off lately by listening to a woman new to me, though she used to play now and then at a bar in my last town, one Laura Smith. In the album liner notes she writes "London Ontario.... too far from the ocean, I'd say...but I had a radio there and my brother had records.... Blind Faith, Paul Nero, Joni Mitchell, Astrid Gilberto..." Nice collection. I've drifted far into nameless ambient downtempo for lack of a decent hook, but this woman had me reading liner notes and lyrics like a little girl all over again. That was nice. There's a regionalism to some of her work that might be off-putting, but she indulges in her own voice. As I fear I have here been overdoing. Take care all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:39:56 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: staring a hole Hey Wally :) I don't know if I would call it idiomatic exactly...more like exaggeration to indicate a level of intensity , but sure idiomatic is good...I know what you mean by that so it works for me. I think Mitchell is using the verb phrase "staring a hole in" to indicate that Coyote is so transfixed by some internal process or more likely simply sitting there so intensely hung over that he isn't even aware of what might be in his optical field... I know we used to things like that in Michigan to mean someone was "transfixed" ...and I think that is a way of setting up the later lines where he is brought back to the planet by the smell of her from the night before on his fingers but no sooner is he becoming conscious of the woman he with, then he is swept up straight guy "cruise-a-matic" brain making his eyeballs track the legs of a passing waitress...showing him to be in that special catagory of mitchell catches: somewhat sincere. On another note I spent the night last night putting slide show of photos of me using a striped blanket to create an Arabic feel to various poses I struck in a basement bedroom a few weeks back. I used Mitchell's rendition of "You've Changed" as a premise and sound track. The transitions from shot to shot are paced such that there is interesting interplay between the sound track visuals andthe literal pix that comprise the slide show that generate subtle secondary meanings to the lyrics. Its the first time I've thought to do something like that with Mitchell's music ...I think I will pursue it more. If youi want to check it out you can download the 5 minute (6 Meg)slideshow with the soundtrack at http://www.deeperwants.com/mitchell/youvechanged.exe later for the monkey cul From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: staring a hole? i've just realized that this line from coyote seems to lack a preposition. don't people always say "stare AT something"? does "staring a hole in his scrambled eggs" sound idiomatic? wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:48:03 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: staring a hole? OHHHHH! Is THAT what happened to them. I was sitting at the next table and saw the smoke.. Paz > Kerry > > P.S. I'm still having flashbacks of Bob Murphy staring a hole in Susan's > scrambled eggs at the fest! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:04:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: warren zevon on vh1 lol & oh yes & the SCORCHING guitar riff bruce played & how after he said something like okay now lets do the real take...that was very cool that bruce showed up like that (on or near christmas?)...i agree with you on the songs...they sound amazing... rosalita: > me saw it. I had to laugh when he met Bruce and said "You really are you!!!! What a witty guy he is despite his illness. I love the songs on his new CD. I can't wait to get it. < ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:04:42 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: St. Kakki Subject: The Catholic Church Sorry to give a little Catholic Sunday school lesson here, but I was exposed to anti-Catholic bigotry as a child and it amazed me then and amazes me even more to see some of it displayed here on the list all these years later. Not saying at *all*, Mark that you have displayed this,but I have felt it in some of the other posts and sometimes one feels the need to set some of the record straight. Kakki Dear Kakki: I liked your little Sunday school lesson. Now, let me be like a Priestess and give a little sermon: Bigotry? How about big oak tree? I'd rather sit under a big oak tree here in dixieland and lift up my voice and sing with all creatures of our God and King, especially Joni Mitchell. If one had a scale and put all the trash the Catholic Church has done on one side and all the good God has done not only despite but also through the Catholic Church on the other, God's side would win easy. It all started off with Jesus calling Peter satan for a reason... the Church left to human designs is nothing short of evil, but God said He would then, and still does today, get His work done on earth using the means He created, the Church. Seeing fault in the Church is nothing new since is started with Jesus. It is all to remind us we are saved by grace even if we are sometimes brain damaged and can't have faith. So, to God be the glory for awesome Catholics like Mother Theresa, Pope JPII, and all those saints who fill the 4 volumes of Butler's Lives of the Saints.... and last but not least, to Him be the glory for you Kakki. Asking for only now, Priestess Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:26:09 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: St. Kakki Dr. Laura, I quite agree with you! Unsaintly Kakki ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:32:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: FW: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists don't know why i got this message personally...can someone help qingcong? - -----Original Message----- From: QingCong@aol.com [mailto:QingCong@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:26 PM To: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists >how do i get off the joni mitchell list?< how do i get off the joni mitchell list? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:40:07 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniCento "Mushrooms" Muller writes: << Some of you may recall that among the presentations at "Wall to Wall" Joni in NYC this year was a "Cento" made up of all Joni lines... >> How odd. I have been keeping a document on my desktop called "Jumbled Joni" which I work on from time to time. Like this, it's made up of Joni lines, but mine -- in my humble opinion -- is much better, at least on paper. I had thought it might be the next JMDL craze, like Hell's Thesaurus Joni of a few months ago. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:33:52 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re Sorry Joni onlies Sorry about forgetting the njc you all. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:12:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: I'm a desperate fan! Hi Monica, I've never heard of a store called "Kazaa". If you want the CDs, try www.amazon.com . If you want the LPs, go to www.ebay.com . If "Kazaa" is anything like "Napster", then I can't possibly help you. The visual work on her albums is as rich as her music and her words. To get the full effect you need the whole package. Now that you've absorbed "Hissing" and "Don Juan", you have an idea of the quality she will bring to your purchases. Lay your hands on the CD player and repeat this five times: "I have found the milk of the Madonna." "I am saved." Go forth and sin no more, my child. Lama >>I have been lookink for Joni's albums like crazy and have been quite unlucky. I've only found "Hissing of summer lawns", "Don Juan's reckless daughter" and that's about all. And I'm spending hours and hours on the net using Kazaa, but it's very hard.... I thought maybe some other of you fans of hers could help me in some way....>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:23:11 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: JONI COVERS?? Hello all :) I saw Tori Amos this weekend and although she didnt grace me with any Joni covers It got me thinkin...Has Joni ever performed other peoples songs live in concert???Maybe our resident cover expert Bob would know...Are you the expert on Joni doin covers too??? lol Im not really talkin bout the covers that appear on albums...Like she just felt like playin.."Ohio" or soemthing cause she felt the need... Hope you all are having a great day..If not ..then try to.. ****kevin**** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:28:25 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 27 1969: Joni opens for Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=153 1979: Joni performed in Providence at the Civic Center. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=864 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:28:25 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 27 On August 27 the following articles were published: 1979: "Joni at her eclectic best at Forest Hills" - New York Daily News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=855 1979: "Joni Mitchell In Forest Hills Show" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=800 1979: "Joni Mitchell jazzes up her act in concert" - New York Daily News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=851 1994: "Joni Mitchell's Many Shades of Indigo" - Billboard (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=48 1997: "Dylan Says He'll Answer Pope's Call" - USA Today (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=676 1997: "Taming The Tiger Due In February" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=314 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #269 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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