From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #268 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, August 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 268 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni With Wayne Shorter [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Fw: joni's career goals (For aol members) [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F] Re: Joni With Wayne Shorter ["kakki" ] Re: Yahoo Group of Interest ["kakki" ] Re: STAS cover art [Roger Burns ] Re: STAS cover art [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #418 [Claud9 ] the Catholic Church and the mafia [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: 9th's and such [Bobsart48@aol.com] Performance Photos are up [] Re: joni's career goals, 100% jc [] Re: Performance Photos are up [Catherine McKay ] Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists [Deb Messling ] Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists ["Kate Bennett" ] eve, adam & lilith ["Kate Bennett" ] Today in History: August 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:38:36 -0400 From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni With Wayne Shorter Wasn't there talk a while back about Joni making a concert appearance with Wayne Shorter at the Hollywood Bowl this August? Did it happen yet? Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:08:24 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Fw: joni's career goals (For aol members) Hmm.. what about our SIQUOMB's clothes taste? I recall one Mikaye?, by now... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "jmdl" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: joni's career goals > i was just reading the 1979 rolling stone interview. at one point joni says > that in her detroit times all she wanted to do was to save some money while > she could because she was sure that she would have to go back what she > REALLY knew about: clothes. she thought she could get a job as a buyer for > some department store. > sometimes a mediocre dream is NOT the measure of one's medicrity. > wally > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:37:50 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni With Wayne Shorter Scott asked: > Wasn't there talk a while back about Joni making a concert appearance with Wayne >Shorter at the Hollywood Bowl this August? Did it happen yet? The Wayne Shorter concert was back on August 6th and I did not get the chance to post about it at the time. Joni was originally billed as appearing and then her name was taken off the roster. I held out a slim hope that she would appear but she did not. It was an interesting show. Great music and guest appearances by Savion Glover (tap dancing to Wayne's music was a new wonderful kind of art), Herbie Hancock and Carlos Santana. A few of the JMDL'ers were there. Have to say I saw Yo Yo Ma at the Bowl a few nights later doing his Brazilian concert and it was phenomenally incredible. He is touring so if he comes your way try to catch it. A couple of days ago a co-worker (who knows how much I follow Joni) said she stood outside the stage door at the Wayne concert trying to spot her but......she was an apparent no show. Too bad - it was billed as Wayne Shorter and Friends and she certainly should have been present. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:45:17 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Yahoo Group of Interest Michael Mr. Paz recommended: > acousticharmonies@yahoogroups.com I have also heard from a JMDL friend this is a great group for those (we know who we are) interested in a certain "era" of music, including Joni. I am beside myself awaiting the Byrds weed - Whoo hoo hoo! Thank you! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:30:35 +0000 From: Roger Burns Subject: Re: STAS cover art MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > Just a Quick chime in on this. > In 1967 I was in an Art class and freeform pen and ink was being taught, > hence a period piece. I did one that won first place in the "Hallmark" art show > for high school, I considered it a daydreaming type of doodle. Yes, altho the STAS cover is partly colored in. This reminds me of the story of Cream's "Wheels Of Fire" cover art where the inside-the-cover stuff is colored in but the outside cover is sketched in the same style yet it remains an uncolored sketch. The story is that the artist started to haggle for more money before the outside art was colored in and he was fired. The record company decided to go with what they had. I could imagine a scenario where Joni's record company might have set a deadline by which the completed art must be submitted, Joni asked for a few more days, they said no, she said fine, then here's what I've got, take it or leave it, and they took it. But that's just my imagination. The LOTC cover, which is part sketch and part colored images, makes some sense to me, but STAS does not. But it could nonetheless be intended and I'm just not getting it. Heck, the whole world praises da Vinci's Mona Lisa but I've never seen anything in that, so what do *I* know. (I don't get John Coltrane either.) So I was just wondering if there was a story behind the STAS cover. > Mingus I thought you were dead? - Roger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:42:01 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS cover art In a message dated 8/25/2003 8:30:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cfs-news@att.net writes: > So I was just wondering if there was a story behind the > STAS cover. Not one that I'm aware of, Roger...there is a nice interview that Wally Breese had with Mark Roth (the photographer with the 'fish-eye' lens who took the STAS photos) if you haven't already seen it: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Roth98.html In regards to the cover art, I'm reminded of a visit I made to a Philadelphia used book/record shop with Brei & Catgirl...we were just browsing and found a copy of that record. When we held it up to look at it, this older guy in the store said that he remembered watching Chuck & Joni making this kind of drawing together...they'd start on opposite sides of the page and work towards each other. Don't know if that's true or not but I didn't have any reason to believe the story. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Spare Parts" May '78 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:01:54 -0400 From: Claud9 Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #418 > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:19:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: peter stefanides > Subject: IT WAS NICE MEETING U ALL > > u guys are a neat bunch. thanks ashara. > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software Glad you found us agreeable ;-))) It was nice meeting you as well. In my case only briefly. Maybe next year we'll get to enjoy you some more! Claud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: the Catholic Church and the mafia Catherine McKay wrote: There was a pretty strong link between the Jezzies and the Mafia, as I recall, Living in Boston, I have to say that there are certainly indications of a link. Former Cardinal Law used to meet with some powerful people in government all the time, including Billy Bulger, whose brother Whitey is a known mobster and has been on the FBI Ten Most Wanted List for ages. For my money, I think it's all one and the same. And, btw, I SWEAR I saw Whitey one Saturday morning, walking out near U. Mass Boston (where Billy was president). And then there's Ray Flynn, former mayor, who irks me no end when he gets in front of tv cameras and tries to defend his precious church. (He served as envoy to the vatican during the Clinton administration.) I just wonder if, in fact I'd bet money, that yesterday in masses all around the Boston area prayers were said for "the repose of the soul of Father Geoghan." Yuck!!! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:29:38 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: 9th's and such Cathering wrote: > I'm not even sure what the difference is between a 9th > and a 2nd, unless it's that a 9th is always an octave > plus one note above the root (or an octave above the > 2nd). I get a bit confused about it once it goes past > a 7th. Also I'm not clear on whether or not you have > to play the entire triad PLUS the other note (a 7th > for example), or whether you can cheat a bit by > getting rid of one of the notes. Well, I am no expert here. But my understanding was that a major 9th chord was a major 7th plus the 9th. In effect, you play G major on top of C major to get a C 9th. CEGBD Joni "cheated" on 9th's all the time in her piano playing, using - for example - a simple C chord on top of a GDGDG bass arpeggion, creating an inverted C 9th type of sound, with the B missing (I suspect it could be added without wincing too much) in many, many of her songs. Similarly, a "major 6th chord with an added 9th" can be inverted (as used often by Joni) by playing a C chord over a DADAD bass arpeggio. Sometimes Joni uses a major chord over the 4th bass - for example, a D chord over a G bass GCGCG arpeggio produces an inverted sus7th chord - see the words "sex appeal" in The Same Situation. Also, in that song (and others) one sees a major chord on top of the dominant 7th bass note, to transition (such as the E chord over the DA bass after the word "bathroom" in that song. I suspect that this rather playful placing of major chords in the right hand over a different major chords played by the left hand at the same time was an early "trick" Joni learned, to color her compositions - simple, but you gotta give her credit for running with it once she found it. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:03:15 -0400 From: Subject: Performance Photos are up I'm done. All of my performance shots are up on Chris Marshall's http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album26 If you click on <4> you can go to the newly posted performance shots. (You can skip over everything I posted last week.) The shots are all different shapes and sizes, like JMDLers I suppose, because I cropped them. The song circle photo took 4 hours to build but I really like it. I did that one over and over and over. I think I scanned it four times, each time bigger to get more detail. The one of Bree giving someone a standing ovation got a very tight crop. I had the top of her hat in the neg but it moves better with her hat chopped off. She jumps right out of the frame and that's the whole point, eh? Enjoy, Lama Apologies to joni-onlys! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:26:36 -0400 From: Subject: Re: joni's career goals, 100% jc It's a damn shame she had to stumble along in a field she was so ill-prepared for! LOL. Lucky for us she changed her mind about a career as a buyer. I guess she went into songwriting with Business in the back of her mind. Very interesting. Lama Wally Kairuz said, i was just reading the 1979 rolling stone interview. joni says she wanted to do was to save some money while she could because she was sure that she would have to go back what she REALLY knew about: clothes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:07:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Performance Photos are up --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > I'm done. All of my performance shots are up on > Chris Marshall's > > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album26 > These are excellent photos and it was well worth the wait. I think these demonstrate why using a "real" camera is so superior to digital - unless you have one of those $10,000 digitals, that is. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:23:17 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists Reuters reports that Joni Mitchell came in at #72 on Rolling Stone's list of the 100 top guitarists of all time. Jimi Hendrix is number 1. The only other woman to make the list is Joan Jett, at #87. Not sure from the Reuters article if this is a reader's poll or a creation of the Rollling Stone editors. I can think of a couple of other women who might deserve to make such a list. Didn't someone on the list recently mention Ellen McIlwaine? What about Rory Block? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:09:45 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists How about Bonnie Raitt? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Deb > Messling > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:23 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists > > > Reuters reports that Joni Mitchell came in at #72 on Rolling > Stone's list > of the 100 top guitarists of all time. Jimi Hendrix is number 1. The > only other woman to make the list is Joan Jett, at #87. Not sure > from the > Reuters article if this is a reader's poll or a creation of the Rollling > Stone editors. I can think of a couple of other women who might > deserve to > make such a list. Didn't someone on the list recently mention Ellen > McIlwaine? What about Rory Block? > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:57:03 -0400 From: vince Subject: Counting Crow's concert I can't get the actual article since the archives will not let me but in the August 5th Kalamazoo Gazette, the concert review of their appearance in Grand Rapids' Van Andel Arena, their version of BYT was praised and Joni was mentioned by name. It said their version of BYT was "peppy" (in a good way) and it wasn't til they did it that they opened up and started playing good. Vince (I can't search the GR Press either that far back - the search feature only allows a 14 day search - maybe if I read my papers faster I would have had this info sooner...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:30:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni on Rolling Stone's poll of top guitarists >Reuters reports that Joni Mitchell came in at #72 on Rolling Stone's list of the 100 top guitarists of all time. Jimi Hendrix is number 1. The only other woman to make the list is Joan Jett, at #87. Not sure from the Reuters article if this is a reader's poll or a creation of the Rollling Stone editors. I can think of a couple of other women who might deserve to make such a list. Didn't someone on the list recently mention Ellen McIlwaine? What about Rory Block?< how about bonnie raitt, shawn colvin, nancy wilson just off the tippy top of my head! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:50:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Performance Photos are up jim, the photos are EXTRAORDINARY. congratulations on such a lot of hard work and dedication. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > jlamadoo@fuse.net > Enviado el: Lunes, 25 de Agosto de 2003 07:03 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Performance Photos are up > > > I'm done. All of my performance shots are up on Chris Marshall's > > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album26 > > If you click on <4> you can go to the newly posted performance > shots. (You can skip over everything I posted last week.) > > The shots are all different shapes and sizes, like JMDLers I suppose, > because I cropped them. The song circle photo took 4 hours to > build but I really like it. I did that one over and over and > over. I think I scanned it four times, each time bigger to get > more detail. > > The one of Bree giving someone a standing ovation got a very > tight crop. I > had the top of her hat in the neg but it moves better with her hat chopped > off. She jumps right out of the frame and that's the whole point, > eh? > > Enjoy, > > Lama > > Apologies to joni-onlys! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:06:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: eve, adam & lilith i was raised protestant & don't recall the exact teachings but if memory serves i did come away from it all thinking that eve was being blaimed for being the one to give into tempation, then tempting adam... & from what i recall learning about lilith, it had something to do with demanding equality with adam (not being made from his rib)...this is from some foggy memory, i may be totally off on this one... how far have we actually come from the magd. laundry kind of mentality? i have a friend who worked for years with battered woman & rape victims & i remember how frustrating it was for her to deal with the police because the prevailing attitude in the force was that the women had somehow played a part, brought it on...times have changed (thanks to the professionals who educated the police) but its only very recently... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:44:32 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 26 1969: Joni opens for Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=153 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:44:32 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 26 On August 26 the following articles were published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell - Crosby, Stills, Etc., Open Run at Greek" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=153 1997: "Sony/Atv Music Publishing And Joni Mitchell Enter Into Worldwide Agreement" - Business Wire (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=57 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #268 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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