From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #247 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 247 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: SfS ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] recent snag, ljc ["Laurent Olszer" ] on my way!!!!~ ["ron" ] Re: on my way!!!!~ [vince ] RE: magdalene sisters ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 [LCStanley7@aol.com] David Crosby Interview [Michaelpaz@aol.com] FW: Voice of America broadcast ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Top 8 Joni Albums ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [Catherine McKay ] Joni and Ani ["Happy The Man" ] Top 8 1/2 Joni Albums ["Happy The Man" ] Special to Inner Circle members only [Ken ] Fwd: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Special to Inner Circle members only [Catherine McKay ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums [Dan Olson ] Re: Joni and Ani ["kakki" ] Top 8 Joni albums ["kakki" ] There are some people who give..... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Top 8 Joni Albums [hell@ihug.co.nz] RE: SfS ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Top 8 Joni albums [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Top 8 Joni albums/bootlegs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Top 8 List et al [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni and Ani ["kerry" ] Re: Top 8 List et al [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Goodby Porkpie Hat [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni and Ani [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Top 8 List et al [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Goodby Porkpie Hat [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni and Ani ["kakki" ] Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle [Michael Paz ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums [Michael Paz ] re: Top 8 Joni albums ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [Michael Paz Subject: Re: SfS Mmmm, yes. HOSL is really something alright. I was saying the other day that I *still* have to write up the exhaustive lit-crit deconstruction of THOSL that she dared the world to write. Anyway, when Joni was on "THE WORLD CAFE" (I think) she talked about the craft of writing lyrics. She said that when the music comes first, it dictates where the words should make a declaritive statement. I don't think I've ever heard another pop star talk with that level of understanding and commitment to story-telling. As someone who came to "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" via the take on the MINGUS album, I'll talk about how talented she is with words. When I heard an instrumental version from Charles Mingus'es band, (on one of Muller's compilations maybe) I was amazed at how little it sounds like a song. Sad? Yes. Sweet? Yeah. Interesting? Absolutely. Challenging? In a great way, you bet. Does it sound like a song? Nope. After that, to go back to Joni and hear that she not only wrote lyrics but that she wrote a eulogy into a melody intended as a eulogy, and crammed all of those syllables in there, and justified all of those swoops, and held the most dramatic lines for best display, and on and on and on.... it was like having it brand new again. Sure, Jon Hendricks wrote words to jazz first. But Joni at her best is just as good. Lama Jenny said, >> Listening to HOSL these past few weeks... the word, rhythm, and note choice on these songs are so purposeful and meticulous. When she does squeeze a lot of words into one phrase it sounds as if she made a concious effort to define the rhythm and pitch of each note-and made sure the phrase was as musically interesting as possible. Which to me really demonstrates her knack for thinking like a composer more than a songwriter/lyricist.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:29:41 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: recent snag, ljc It used to be that bootlegs from Italy, Luxemburg, etc. were widely available in independent stores in France. Around 94 (same time that the Joni Just Ice came out, that's why I couldn't get it) the law really cracked down and seized all the goods from the store owners and wholesalers, who had paid cash and quite dearly for them. I have a friend who had a record store at the time and he used to pay more for bootlegs than official releases. That's just to show you how greedy the bootleggers are. Anyway, as you can imagine, it hurt too much and record stores have been extremely reluctant to carry some ever since. I still see bootlegs in Spain for example, but hardly ever in France. As a result, I engaged in trading which is a lot cheaper, more fun than buying bootlegs, and there's more great stuff out there. That's how I ended up with Just Ice in the end. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:02:39 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: on my way!!!!~ hi got up this morning to find out the car radio thieves had paid a visit to our complex. ummm guess who was too lazy to put his car away last night??? rear window cut right out (i have a convertible), nakamichi head unit gone, rear seat cut to shreds (obviously an attempt to get at my shuttle in the boot) and all this on a car i just put on the market yesterday. neighbours couldnt understand why i wasnt fussed - but *nothing* can bother me today - CAUSE IM LEAVING ON MY WAY TO JONIFEST TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:29:40 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: on my way!!!!~ hmmmmmm, mine got arsoned the day I was trying to sell it - maybe the cars are striking back when they don't want to be sold? sorry it happened to you - and safe traveling, Ron Vince ron wrote: >hi > >got up this morning to find out the car radio thieves had paid a visit to our >complex. ummm guess who was too lazy to put his car away last night??? > >rear window cut right out (i have a convertible), nakamichi head unit gone, >rear seat cut to shreds (obviously an attempt to get at my shuttle in the >boot) and all this on a car i just put on the market yesterday. > >neighbours couldnt understand why i wasnt fussed - but *nothing* can bother me >today - CAUSE IM LEAVING ON MY WAY TO JONIFEST TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > >ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:33:04 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: magdalene sisters I seem to recall that Joni was inspired by seeing the story in a tabloid she caught while waiting in line at the supermarket. Wasn't that the story she told about trying to write happy sounding songs during the day on the advice of her Canadian property caretaker, or am I mixing up my tales? Maggie Boston/Cambridge -----Original Message----- From: hell@ihug.co.nz [mailto:hell@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:21 PM To: David Sadowski; Joni Subject: Re: magdalene sisters David wrote: > Most likely not, as they would have to admit they > might've been influenced by it in the choice of a > title. Just about the only disappointment I had > with High Fidelity (the movie) was that it did > not include Elvis Costello's song of the same > name, the obvious inspiration for Nick > Hornby's book title. In the case of the Magdalene Laundries, I doubt Joni's song had anything at all to do with the name of the movie. The Magdalene Sisters existed long before Joni wrote about them, and I thought she'd written the song after seeing a documentary piece on 60 Minutes about them? Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:17:15 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 In a message dated 8/5/03 2:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > The Inner Circle Orgy If this is only for the "inner circle," why did you broadcast it to the rest of us? Leads me to have too many doubts, like there'd be no good reception for me if I came to the Jonifest, and you'd tune me out. So, I feel like saying, "Who needs the static? It hurts the head." But, not only my head, my heart. My kind of circle game is much more innocent than this. I love you all as fellow admirers of Joni, but I'm going to have to take a break from the discussion list and take care of my little broken heart. Breaking like the waves at Malibu, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:18:27 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: David Crosby Interview Hi Everyone- While I am doing paperwork at my desk this am I am listening to a interview with David Crosby about his guitars and lo and behold there is some Joni content. Check it out at http://crosbycpr.com Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:28:22 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: FW: Voice of America broadcast - -----Original Message----- From: Sherelle Smith [mailto:sherellesmith@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:25 AM To: jlamadoo@fuse.net Subject: Voice of America broadcast Hi Jim, Well, I had my interview with Voice of America radio personality, Ted Landphair and I think it went pretty well. I was very nervous in the hours prior to the interview because of what you are referring to as the "starmaker machinery". Mr. Landphair just called out of the blue and it pretty much floored me. I wasn't sure it was going to happen because I had to let public relations actually set up the interview and arrange to get a copy of the performance to Mr.. Landphair. It is actually going to be played on the air. I also gave him a copy of my demo and we talked a bit about my aspirations as a singer/songwriter. He was very interested in the fact that I am starting over and wanted to know a lot about that. I even got the chance to talk about the song, "Do What You Love" and why I wrote it. I am most proud of the fact that we talked about my favorite singers which are Sarah Vaughn and Joni Mitchell. I am really hoping that what we spoke of will get on the air. I really wish I could have gone into more depth on the subject. If I ever make it, trust me, Joni is coming with me! I love Sarah Vaughn's voice, but I LOVE Joni Mitchell! I love her because she is real even when it's not popular, and she's innovative as well as supremely talented as a writer as well as a singer. Her artwork is pretty darn good too! When we sat down to do the interview, right before Ted started the tape rolling, he explained my assumption that Voice of America was nation-wide was wrong. He said the full broadcast isn't even heard in the United States unless you have a strong radio. Ted said that the broadcast is world-wide and translated into many languages. I wish you could have been a fly on the wall to see the look on my face! It was utter shock and disbelief! I tried to cover it up, but it was hard. So this is done. The short version of the interview will air this Thursday on an internet radio program called "Main Street". Here is the website address: www.voanews.com/mainstreet I am just hoping that Mr.. Landphair will be as kind to me in the editing room as he was to me during the interview. I need a big favor from you Jim. Do you think you could forward this to the Joni list for me. I am at work and not able to email the list from work. I'm not sure who is in what time zone or day and I wanted my Joni friends to be able to listen to the broadcast if possible. People outside of the United States should be able to get the entire broadcast. I believe this will also air on Thursday as well. Ted Landphair has the demo in his hands, so keep your fingers crossed that more will come from this. Take care, Jim and thank you for being such a good and fantastic friend through the years. Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums In order of preference (as of this moment, anyway): 1. Court and Spark 2. Hissing of Summer Lawns 3. Wild Things Run Fast 4. Both Sides Now 5. Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm 6. Ladies of the Canyon 7. Blue 8. Hejira Why 8, one wonders? Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:22:52 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Top 8 Joni Albums What are your top 8 Joni Albums? mine are(not necessaily in this order): 1)Hissing of Summer Lawns 2)For The Roses 3)Hejira 4)Blue 5)Shadows and light 6)Miles of Aisles 7)Clouds 8)Court and Spark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:07:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet here in a couple of days! ;~) Mine (not ordered): Hejira Blue Court & Spark Don Juan Shadows & Light Wild Things Run Fast Clouds Turbulent Indigo (I would have sworn that FTR & STAS would have made it, but I can't bump any of the above 8 for them). Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "I Can Hear You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:16:21 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Top 8 Joni Albums For The Roses Blue Night Ride Home Ladies of the Canyon Hejira Court and Spark Hissing of Summer Lawns Don Juan's Restless Daughter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:07 PM To: "Larry D."; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet here in a couple of days! ;~) Mine (not ordered): Hejira Blue Court & Spark Don Juan Shadows & Light Wild Things Run Fast Clouds Turbulent Indigo (I would have sworn that FTR & STAS would have made it, but I can't bump any of the above 8 for them). Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "I Can Hear You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:17 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Okay it changes slightly all the time but here is what I've got: 1. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns 2. Blue 3. Miles Of Aisles 4. For The Roses 5. Hejira 6. Court & Spark 7. Ladies Of The Canyon 8. Song To a Seagull Steve NP: 'Where Love Hides' - Belinda Carlisle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "anon anon" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: Top 8 Joni Albums > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? > > mine are(not necessaily in this order): > 1)Hissing of Summer Lawns > 2)For The Roses > 3)Hejira > 4)Blue > 5)Shadows and light > 6)Miles of Aisles > 7)Clouds > 8)Court and Spark > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:45:32 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Laura, I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments --- Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > Laura, > > I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner > circle" has the tendency to > take on the airs of a high school clique with little > regard for the feeling > of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel > left out. Otherwise, why > has an inner circle and outer circle been created > and why is it broadcast all > over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school > anymore. Andrea, I don't know if you're joking or not, so I'm going to assume you're not. There isn't really an inner circle. It's a joke. If there were one, who would want to be in it? Not me - I wouldn't want to be in any club that would have someone like me as a member. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:11:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Since so many many things about this list seem to make you unhappy, why don't you leave it? Jerry Aerchak@aol.com wrote: >Laura, > >I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to >take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling >of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why >has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all >over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. > >Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:37:25 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Responding to Catherines's comments: If there is no inner circle, then why is there constant reference to an inner circle that appears to have particular members assigned to it. If it is a joke, then how about clueing those in the outer circle into it. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:44:08 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Regarding Jerry's comment: I found your response uncalled for, undeserving and hurtful. I have barely said a peep for months. I look forward to reading the list every morning so you really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:47:40 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Oh why not. > > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? FTR C and S Blue DED impossible for me to rank those four. then: STAS then: C NRH LOTC Hope everyone has a safe trip to Jonifest and a grand time there as well. love, mack np: Gene Cotton-Save the Dancer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:49:52 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Actually there are only 7 of us (I mean *those people*) who are in the real inner circle. A meeting is held once a month with Joni (occasionally Larry pops in). They meet at her house in Bel Air, drink vodka and cranberry, smoke 100 cigarettes, and discuss the main topics of the list for the month. If there's something she doesn't approve of, they're encouraged to change the topic. If there's someone she doesn't approve of, she has Les throw them off. And THAT's what the inner circle really does :~) Jimmy P.S. the joke is that once or twice a year, the inner circle is mentioned, but there is no inner circle. (I didn't say it was a funny joke either) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments --- Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > Responding to Catherines's comments: > > If there is no inner circle, then why is there > constant reference to an inner > circle that appears to have particular members > assigned to it. If it is a > joke, then how about clueing those in the outer > circle into it. IF there is no inner circle, it follows that there is no outer circle; hence, impossible to clue in those in the outer circle, because there's no one in any inner circle to do it. Now I'm confusing myself. It's a lame joke and, like all lame jokes, it gets lamer in trying to explain it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:01:03 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 LCStanley7 writes: > I'm going to have to take a break from the > discussion list and take care of my little broken heart. > > Breaking like the waves at Malibu, > Dr. Laura Good grief! Physician, heal thyself. Get a sense of humor. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:05:35 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 I wrote: > Get a sense of humor. Sorry for the lack of tag here, Joni-onlies. The original message was untagged and I was so astounded that someone would actually leave the list over a reference to the mythical inner circle that I wasn't thinking clearly. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:58:29 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: Dr. laura's comments Dears Andrea & Laura: I can't but feel sad at your attitude: it seems to me you're taking things too seriously. Let's see things clear: can anyone feel there's anything like a snob attitude here?, like a feeling "we're the best, you -newbies- are allowed to beg for crumbs? Obviously not. I am, for instance, a newbie: only six months: I assume there were happy meetings, very much intercourse (some excited moments, some sad moments too) between the members who have been for years and years: is that a reason for me to feel aside? No. Do I feel, in any case, dissed or misused or ignored by people in list? Maybe it's my way of thinking, (Let me say my way's the best), but I feel happy seeing the friendly current between *every* people on this list, I can't percieve no "outer circle", no classes in this list. Maybe there is a reason to be some class here: as Woody (G) said: "this land is your land", don't forget that "Land is for who works in it": ie: for people who thinks about other people, who cares for others, who remembers the other persons, who really wants to say something to other people... but, please, be positive, remember to wear a smile on your face Excuse my poor syntax and expression (I can't find the words that fit), but I wanted to say that you're missing something really valuable giving credit to some joke (BTW: I didn't know that the expression "inner circle" was from high school times: I guess spanish translators had real real trouble adapting some high school stories). Bottom line: do you feel underestimated? You aren't right. Of course you've got many many interesting things to tell us, so many Life to show us, so many jokes and keeny observations to post! Smile! Sigue Siempre Sonriendo: Emiliano - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments > Laura, > > I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to > take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling > of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why > has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all > over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. > > Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:25:29 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: SfS I respect your opinion, Jim, but Mingus's "....Hat" sure sounds like a song to me. It has a regular symetrical form, it uses conventional harmonies (good, but very jazz-traditional) and is easily hummable. I believe Eddie Jefferson wrote words to jazz first; not Jon Hendricks. In fact Lambert and Ross may have done it before Jon. I am passionate about Eddie's not being shortchanged on recognition. be well, LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:48:09 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments I found this sort of curious since I attended my 30 year high school reunion this past weekend. Not sure why I went. Guess I was curious to know if everyone was happy and healthy after all these years AND if that clique-y stuff still existed. Come to find out, it was still the same. You would think after all these years it wouldn't matter. I went up to people and spoke with them anyway ... even if they didn't remember me! Heather - who likes it in the outer circle ... there's more room!! ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Aerchak@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:46 PM To: LCStanley7@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Laura, I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:27:23 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Okay, Bob, since you put it that way, I'll give it a shot! 1. Court and Spark 2. Blue 3. Hissing Of Summer Lawns 4. Shadows and Light 5. Miles of Aisles 6. For The Roses 7. Ladies Of The Canyon 8. Hejira David, still a newbie, but kinda enjoying the inner circle "discussion"- reminds me of Madeline Kahn in that old skit on the Carol Burnett show...inner circles, inner circles, inner circles... NP- Travelogue - ----- Original Message ----- From: > This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers > to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet > here in a couple of days! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:41:19 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Joni and Ani You would think with the way Joni feels about record companies she would approach Ani Difranco about putting her future albums out Righteous Babe Records. Ani makes a heck of alot more money then most people do per unit. Now I am just asking here and it might have already been brought up but it seems Joni would be interested in something in this vein. Peace, Craig NP: Bobbie and Willie Nelson: Hymns ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:00:08 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Top 8 1/2 Joni Albums Okay, I'll play. 8 1/2. Taming The Tiger 8. Ladies of the Canyon 7. Court and Spark 6. Turbulent Indigo 5. Night Ride Home 4. Blue 3. For The Roses 2. The Hissing of Summer Lawns 1. Hejira Ah circles they go round and round and the close people in and they shut people out but they also receive or they give so circles are what circles always are. NP: Circle Jerks - World Up My Ass ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:01:45 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Special to Inner Circle members only Made you look, made you look ,made you look ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:05:18 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Fwd: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Return-path: From: LCStanley7@aol.com Full-name: LCStanley7 Message-ID: <163.241ec7cb.2c6190b8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:59:04 EDT Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments To: FMYFL@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Dear Jimmy: Thanks for the clarification. I'll be back on the list again, but let me breath a few times first and repeat as Lori suggested "there is no inner circle." I feel sort of like a fool, but I was fooled into thinking it was real... and that was very disturbing to me obviously. Thank you. Waving-truce against the moon, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Special to Inner Circle members only --- Ken wrote: > Made you look, made you look ,made you look Oh damn. I thought it was AmEx calling. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:31:27 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Here's mine! 1. Hejira 2. Hejira 3. Hejira 4. Hejira 5. Hejira 6. Hejira 7. Hejira 8. Blue And you know there may be more. By the way, I was on the subway in Boston this evening and Maggie got on as I was listening to "Song for Sharon" on the Discman. What are the chances of that! And what am I doing listening to Joni when I'll be screaming that I can't take any more by next Monday! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:47:31 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Ani Craig writes: << Now I am just asking here and it might have already been brought up but it seems Joni would be interested in something in this vein. >> Do you mean for future recordings? I hope there are some. Incidentally, I am surprised no one has brought up the fact (per Brenda's recent post) that "T'log" has sold less than 60,000 so far. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:57:56 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums 1. STAS 2. Clouds 3. Ladies Of The Canyon 4. Blue 5. Court and Spark 6. For The Roses 7. Hissing Of Summer Lawns 8. Hejira Oh, I'm sorry, these are her FIRST 8 (studio) albums (I enjoy her live performances, but albums of them don't make for works of art). But these 8 are her ONLY 8 COMPLETE albums. They are the only ones that I've always had on tape without a few songs (or in the case of Mingus, "raps") edited out. They are the ones that were listened to on vinyl. This body of work builds up slowly and steadily, climaxing with her masterpiece, Hejira (which I now know how to pronounce). At 06:27 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Okay, Bob, since you put it that way, I'll give it a shot! > >1. Court and Spark >2. Blue >3. Hissing Of Summer Lawns >4. Shadows and Light >5. Miles of Aisles >6. For The Roses >7. Ladies Of The Canyon >8. Hejira > >David, still a newbie, but kinda enjoying the inner circle "discussion"- >reminds me of Madeline Kahn in that old skit on the Carol Burnett >show...inner circles, inner circles, inner circles... > >NP- Travelogue > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > > This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers > > to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet > > here in a couple of days! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:06:37 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Reversal of the order of C&S and FTR was a typo. Sorry. At 05:57 PM 8/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: >1. STAS >2. Clouds >3. Ladies Of The Canyon >4. Blue >5. Court and Spark >6. For The Roses >7. Hissing Of Summer Lawns >8. Hejira > >Oh, I'm sorry, these are her FIRST 8 (studio) albums (I enjoy her live >performances, but albums of them don't make for works of art). But these >8 are her ONLY 8 COMPLETE albums. They are the only ones that I've always >had on tape without a few songs (or in the case of Mingus, "raps") edited >out. They are the ones that were listened to on vinyl. This body of work >builds up slowly and steadily, climaxing with her masterpiece, Hejira >(which I now know how to pronounce). > >At 06:27 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>Okay, Bob, since you put it that way, I'll give it a shot! >> >>1. Court and Spark >>2. Blue >>3. Hissing Of Summer Lawns >>4. Shadows and Light >>5. Miles of Aisles >>6. For The Roses >>7. Ladies Of The Canyon >>8. Hejira >> >>David, still a newbie, but kinda enjoying the inner circle "discussion"- >>reminds me of Madeline Kahn in that old skit on the Carol Burnett >>show...inner circles, inner circles, inner circles... >> >>NP- Travelogue >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >> >> > This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers >> > to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet >> > here in a couple of days! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:57:08 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Ani Don't know if some of you may recall the interview Ani did with Joni in the LA Times awhile back (maybe '98 or '99) Ani was pretty snotty (only IMO) in her follow-up assessment towards Joni and we had some discussion of it here on-list. Kakki, thinking there is and there isn't an inner circle but it doesn't matter anyway and the latest is a bunch of joking (I think ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:01:43 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Top 8 Joni albums These are my personal favorites and the list is not meant to be critically objective ;-) 1. For The Roses 2. Song to a Seagull 3. Don Juan 4. Blue 5. Ladies of the Canyon 6. Court and Spark 7. Night Ride Home 8. Hissing Demos (cheating) 9. Travelogue (so sue me, but it's her last....we think...and it sums it all up) Maybe be should also do a Top 8 live or bootleg, etc. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:05:15 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: There are some people who give..... without expecting anything in return. That's how I would describe my friend Steve here in the great state of New Jersey. He loves our Joni. A diehard fan. Some may say he's obsessed with his Joni collection. Yeah, some of you have probably been outbid by him on Ebay LOL! That's how I met him. I respect his privacy, so I won't disclose his screen name. He's not on our list, but he should be. Tonight he met me after work to give me a whole feckin lot of Joni memorabilia for the raffle. He's going home to England for vacation, so he won't be able to make it yet again this year. Bring plenty of dollars JMDLers to Jonifest this year. That's all I'll say. He's truly been a generous benefactor! See some of you in a few days!!!! rosie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:11:59 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Top 8 Joni Albums I always regret my choices 5 seconds after I've posted these lists, but this is my top 8 as of 1:12pm, Wednesday 6th August, 2003! Tied in 1st place: HOSL Hejira Tied in 2nd place: S&L FTR NRH WTRF Tied in 3rd place: Blue DED Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:41:45 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: SfS Wow. I guess I was all wet on this one! I stand corrected. Thanks for doing it so nicely. Jim From: Dflahm@aol.com [mailto:Dflahm@aol.com] I respect your opinion, Jim, but Mingus's "....Hat" sure sounds like a song to me. It has a regular symetrical form, it uses conventional harmonies (good, but very jazz-traditional) and is easily hummable. I believe Eddie Jefferson wrote words to jazz first; not Jon Hendricks. In fact Lambert and Ross may have done it before Jon. I am passionate about Eddie's not being shortchanged on recognition. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:30:38 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni albums 1. Hejira 2. Song To A Seagull 3. Don Juan's Reckless daughter 4. Night Ride Home 5. Hissing of Summer Lawns 6. Shadows & Light 7. Blue 8. Court and Spark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:34:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni albums/bootlegs In a message dated 8/5/2003 8:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Maybe we should also do a Top 8 live or bootleg, etc. > My top 8: #1 HAS to be the Joni-JT concert...two great artists, about to hit their creative and popular strides, and the love they have for each other just jumps out of the grooves. The rest of these are in no order, and I'm sure that I'll leave out something really awesome and smack my head... Hissing Demos (the edition with "Hunter" & all the radio ads, they always make me laugh) Spectrum/Philly '76, this setlist is just awesome '95 Gene Autry Museum...Joni unplugged, clearly enjoying herself, surrounded by adoring fans, great stories and songs. Taken from an FM broadcast so the sound is wonderful. Second Fret sets...ALL those early songs! Unplugged & Jamming # 1 & 2 - Great random collections of some rare Joni stuff... 1985 Rock Master Class - Helped me appreciate DED more, and I LOVE the piano/Paprika style piano improv. 1998 Day In The Garden - Again, Joni feeling very loved and confident, and surrounding by some OUTSTANDING players - Isham, Blade, Liesz, Klein Yep, I missed a ton of good ones, but I could be happy on my desert island with those. Bob NP: Bjork, "Hidden Times" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:40:56 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 List et al Bob Muller wrote > Mine (not ordered): > > Hejira > Blue > Court & Spark > Don Juan > Shadows & Light > Wild Things Run Fast > Clouds > Turbulent Indigo > > (I would have sworn that FTR & STAS would have made it, but I can't > bump any of the above 8 for them). > > Bob > Well, here's how you get around that. My top 8 Joni original (studio recorded) albums are (in order) 1. Blue 2. Hejira 3. Court & Spark 4. For The Roses 5. The Hissing of Summer Lawns 6. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 7. Turbulent Indigo 8. Ladies of the Canyon What is more amazing to me is my second 8 favorite Joni original (studio recorded) albums (in order) 9. Night Ride Home 10. Wild Things Run Fast (OK, Uncle Bob - you win - you are right) 11. Joni Mitchell (STAS) 12. Clouds 13. Chalkmark In A Rainstorm 14. Taming the Tiger 15. Dog Eat Dog 16. Mingus Prediction - Mingus will move up in rank someday when I get close to it. Question - Does anyone out there have 4 or more of my second 8 in their top 8 ? Answer to Question "why the top 8?" - looking for the 'above average' originals :-) Here are my favorite 6 non-original albums (in order) 1. Shadows and Light 2. Miles of Aisles 3. Travelogue 4. Hits 5. Both Sides Now 6. Misses Today I listened to Bob Dylan's greatest hits in my car. Very strong lyrics. Good songs melodically. Pretty good variety. Mediocre vocals - his unique if imitable style notwithstanding. Inferior musicianship. Suggest putting this CD and Joni's Hits into your CD changer some day in search of answer to question of comparability. Perhaps I should apologize to Joni for putting their names in the same paragraph, but it's been done before, so I assume she is inured to it. Looking forward to Friday. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:50:05 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: Joni and Ani A while back, I got to listen to a bootleg of Ani's from a concert in Australia. In one segment, she talked a lot about Joni and it sounded like she was very much in awe of her. I transcribed it for the list at the time, but I didn't save it. (I wish I had though!) Kerry - ----- Original Message ----- From: kakki To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Joni and Ani > Don't know if some of you may recall the interview Ani did with Joni in the > LA Times awhile back (maybe '98 or '99) Ani was pretty snotty (only IMO) in > her follow-up assessment towards Joni and we had some discussion of it here > on-list. > > Kakki, thinking there is and there isn't an inner circle but it doesn't > matter anyway and the latest is a bunch of joking (I think ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:53:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 List et al In a message dated 8/5/2003 10:42:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bobsart48@aol.com writes: > Here are my favorite 6 non-original albums (in order) > > 1. Shadows and Light > I know what you mean, but I think S&L is just original as any studio record, Joni is in so many ways pushing the creative limits of this stellar band, and even though she had laid down Woodstock on vinyl, it didn't sound anything like this S&L version. It might as well have been a brand new song. And the Hissing & Mingus material, excellent as it was in its original incarnations, really breathes in this setting. And Michael Brecker just plain rocks. Bob NP: Dar Williams, "As Cool As I Am" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:57:46 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Goodby Porkpie Hat David Lahm wrote: > I respect your opinion, Jim, but Mingus's "....Hat" sure sounds like a song > > to me. Especially with Joni's lyric and vocal on it. > It has a regular symetrical form, it uses conventional harmonies (good, but > > very jazz-traditional) and is easily hummable. "easily hummable", David ?? And you can't abide "They'll walk the Manhattan skyline" without "the girders of" ? Idiot savant !! {As opposed to plain old idiot me} ;-) Best Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:59:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Ani In a message dated 8/5/2003 10:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: > she talked a lot about Joni and it sounded like > she was very much in awe of her. Oh, she very much is Kerry...but Ani doesn't always say what people want to hear, and they don't exactly see eye to eye on everything. Her tendency to not couch her words and to not necessarily agree with even her idols & mentors is one of the many things I admire about her. This excerpt from a Mojo interview: MoJo Wire: You wrote a Los Angeles Times Magazine article on Joni Mitchell in which you noted that Mitchell was uppity, so the press painted her as a bitch, whereas Dylan, who was also uppity, was considered rebellious. Obviously, times have changed. So how do you think this uppity Ani DiFranco person has been portrayed? DiFranco: Well, I basically get stereotyped a lot in terms of being a girl and writing "chick" music for teenage girls or something. I think, if anything, the press kind of, because of my gender and my age, tends to kind of relegate my work to this sort of special-interest group. It's part of the cultural dynamic, I guess. MoJo Wire: Mitchell hated to be compared with other female musicians. Does that bother you too? DiFranco: Well no, actually. I don't hate being compared with female musicians. I don't mind that at all. I have no problem with seeing connections between women's work. On the other side of the coin, I hate it when people don't recognize the work of women as being universal, or having any import to the world at large, as opposed to men's work, which is generally tends to be seen as more universal -- men's writing about their own experience tends to be put in a broader context. Bob NP: Go-Go's, "Get Up & Go" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:15:36 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 List et al Bob Muller replied: > > >> Here are my favorite 6 non-original albums (in order) >> >> 1. Shadows and Light >> > > I know what you mean, but I think S&L is just original as any studio record, > Joni is in so many ways pushing the creative limits of this stellar band, > and even though she had laid down Woodstock on vinyl, it didn't sound anything > like this S&L version. Well, I am happy to agree, and concede that S&L is my number 3 overall - but if I had put it on that list, I would have had to drop LOTC from my top 8 (and I fell in love with her on that, my first Joni album). Which is what I was trying to get around - sort of to your original point about STAS and FTR, eh ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Goodby Porkpie Hat --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > David Lahm wrote: > > > I respect your opinion, Jim, but Mingus's > "....Hat" sure sounds like a song > > > > to me. > > Especially with Joni's lyric and vocal on it. > > > > It has a regular symetrical form, it uses > conventional harmonies (good, but > > > > very jazz-traditional) and is easily hummable. > > "easily hummable", David ?? And you can't abide > "They'll walk the Manhattan > skyline" without "the girders of" ? > Bob, you're just going to have to practice your tongue twisters, OK? She sells seashells, scooby dooby doo. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:47:35 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Ani Bob wrote: > Oh, she very much is Kerry...but Ani doesn't always say what people want to > hear, and they don't exactly see eye to eye on everything. Her tendency to not > couch her words and to not necessarily agree with even her idols & mentors is > one of the many things I admire about her. I didn't mean to imply Ani did not think highly of Joni. I just went back again and read the LA Times article and it upsets me less than on first reading. However, I think the interview is still more all about Ani and what she wanted to hear from Joni about feminism and didn't (with a few pointed, arguably offensive musings tossed in) than a broad Joni interview. The article is here and included is Joni's management's response to it. http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=150 Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:03:33 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle LMAO! I work for Pyramid does that count?? Paz (I will truly miss most of you, the jury is still out on Julius tho.) > Paz wrote: > >> Yea but what about all you SQUARES that AREN'T coming????? > > Hmpft! We are more diverse than that and have our inner and outer > parallelograms and triangles, too! ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:08:57 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 Ah Dr. Laura I listen to you almost everyday cause you are on the same station I listen to some other talk radio stuff and I have learned to appreciate your stuff so much. Have a wonderful time in Malibu whilst we are being eaten alive by bears and mosquitos in the Catskills. Paz > In a message dated 8/5/03 2:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com > writes: > >> The Inner Circle Orgy > > If this is only for the "inner circle," why did you broadcast it to > the rest of us? Leads me to have too many doubts, like there'd be no good > reception for me if I came to the Jonifest, and you'd tune me out. So, I feel > like > saying, "Who needs the static? It hurts the head." But, not only my head, my > heart. My kind of circle game is much more innocent than this. I love you > all as fellow admirers of Joni, but I'm going to have to take a break from the > discussion list and take care of my little broken heart. > > Breaking like the waves at Malibu, > Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:12:34 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Here be mine! Love Paz Shadows & Light Wild Things Run Fast For The Roses Hejira Blue Court & Spark Don Juan Hissing of Summer Lawns Bonus two Travelogue Ladies of the Canyon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:08:46 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Top 8 Joni albums Here are mine, in order, but only as of today: 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 2. For The Roses 3. Song to a Seagull 4. Ladies of the Canyon 5. Turbulent Indigo 6. Blue 7. Wild Things Run Fast 8. Night Ride Home Hope all you festers have a great time this weekend! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:14:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Play nice now Jerry or you will HAVE to stay after the fest alone in the woods with the fecking bears nekked! Paz > Since so many many things about this list seem to make you unhappy, why > don't you leave it? > > Jerry > > Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > >> Laura, >> >> I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to >> take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling >> of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why >> has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all >> over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. >> >> Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:15:25 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Because you are now in the inner circle, it's called the JMDL and the world revolves around us. Welcome. Paz > Responding to Catherines's comments: > > If there is no inner circle, then why is there constant reference to an inner > circle that appears to have particular members assigned to it. If it is a > joke, then how about clueing those in the outer circle into it. > > Andrea ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #247 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)