From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #246 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, August 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 246 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon ["mike pritchard" ] Re: SfS [Bobsart48@aol.com] Magdelene [Jerry Notaro ] Re: SfS [Jenny Goodspeed ] (no subject) [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] "The Magdalene Sisters" review in Sunday N.Y. Times ["Timothy Spong" ] Hissing and Hejira songbooks available ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 [Susan McNamara ] Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album ["Stephen Toogood" ] Top 8 Joni Albums ["anon anon" ] Re: magdalene sisters [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: magdalene sisters [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: misquote/JoniFest [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Song for Sharon [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle [Michael Paz ] RE: magdalene sisters ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: magdalene sisters ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in History: August 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:03:19 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon >>Didn't I hear long ago that "Indians" have a congenitally better sense of balance than other races? They were, I thought, always considered the best workers on "high steel." LAHM<< Don't know if it's congenital but here's a link. http://gbgm-umc.org/umcor/loveupdate/nativeam.cfm For decades, the Mohawks, both from New York and Canada, have helped construct the skyscrapers of New York, renowned for the ability to walk high steel beams with grace and balance. "It's a matter of identity and great pride in the tribe," explained Phillips, whose group met a few who had originally worked at the twin towers. PS - I'm unsubscribing for the month of August so any one with anything REAL urgent should contact me at mike@ink08.com mike in barcelona NP Springsteen - Nebraska outtakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:43:45 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: SfS emiliano > My suggested penance: sing it, please, if only once, with all the words! > ;-) Again, Father ? I would guess I sang (tried to sing) it 50 times with all the words (I cannot recall for certain how many times I was able to do so without error, but it was a small number - perhaps one hand's worth). Now that most of my edits are ingrained (I still think it meanders pretty well, and really, I didn't change the substance or sequence at all), this may prove to be the penance from hell ;-) Hey, how many of you have the lyrics to that song memorized (so that you could sing it without looking at the lyrics) ? (Joni - I'm asking you too - we all saw you on PWW&M, where you got some help on verse 3 and then left out a later verse - was that on purpose ?) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:30:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Magdelene One of my favorite critics, John Leonard, mentioned Joni yesterday on one of my favorite programs, CBS Sunday Morning. Now that the movie is finally opening here in the States, the story, and Joni's sing, are getting attention. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: SfS I have to admit Bob, that if a beginning songwriter handed me SFS and asked for my feedback, I would have made many of the same edits you did. Yet part of what endeared me to Joni in the beginning was her verbosity - and using it to break out of expected phrasing and song structures. So I guess I have a bit of a double standard. lol. That said, listening to HOSL these past few weeks... the word, rhythm, and note choice on these songs are so purposeful and meticulous. When she does squeeze a lot of words into one phrase it sounds as if she made a concious effort to define the rhythm and pitch of each note-and made sure the phrase was as musically interesting as possible. Which to me really demonstrates her knack for thinking like a composer more than a songwriter/lyricist. Jenny Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: emiliano > My suggested penance: sing it, please, if only once, with all the words! > ;-) Again, Father ? I would guess I sang (tried to sing) it 50 times with all the words (I cannot recall for certain how many times I was able to do so without error, but it was a small number - perhaps one hand's worth). Now that most of my edits are ingrained (I still think it meanders pretty well, and really, I didn't change the substance or sequence at all), this may prove to be the penance from hell ;-) Hey, how many of you have the lyrics to that song memorized (so that you could sing it without looking at the lyrics) ? (Joni - I'm asking you too - we all saw you on PWW&M, where you got some help on verse 3 and then left out a later verse - was that on purpose ?) Bobsart "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:20:16 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Just a reminder, if anyone that is not attending Jonifest 2003 would like to pass on wishes for the group, please send a private e-mail to me and I will read them at appropriate times throughout the weekend to everyone. This way you will definitely be there in spirit. Please get them to me by Wednesday noon, at the latest!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:18:54 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: "The Magdalene Sisters" review in Sunday N.Y. Times Sunday's (Aug. 3) New York Times, Section 2, Arts and Leisure, contains a review of the new movie "The Magadlene Sisters," including discussion of the historical background. There is no mention in the review of Joni's song on the same subject, "The Magdalene Laundries," but there has been discussion on this list, in the past, of the then-upcoming movie in relation to the song. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:21:03 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: "...my vain darling" I was just watching the Today Show. It seems that there's going to be an auction in Martha's Vineyard, MA whereby the winner gets to know the secret to who Carly Simon's song "You're So Vain" is about. Now, I had always assumed that the song was about James Taylor, but the Rolling Stone mag guy they had on the show said that the song is more likely about Warren Beatty or Mick Jaggar. Carly's ample lips have been sealed on the subject all these years. Got me to thinking about Joni's "Just Like This Train" from C&S. I've always thought that the "watching your hairline recede my vain darling" lyric was a dig at JT, but now I'm second guessing that, too. Has Joni ever discussed it? I didn't come up with anything in my search of the JMDL library. Just curious. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:59:59 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: "...my vain darling" JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: >I was just watching the Today Show. It seems that there's going to be an auction in Martha's Vineyard, MA whereby the winner gets to know the secret to who Carly Simon's song "You're So Vain" is about. > yes but they have to sign a contract saying they will keep it secret! As for Joni' and James-could be-he has gone bald. But baldness is exy and I don't get why mean are so funny about it(some ofthem). Elton ooks silly. we all know when a man is wearign a toupe and the comb overs are even siller.... bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:49:08 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Hissing and Hejira songbooks available After our recent discussion about songbooks I went to ebay and found beautiful copies of the Hissing and Hejira songbooks. I don't think they had ever been opened. I am not a musician but the music charts are fun anyway. But the artwork is AMAZING. They are large books so the cover art is arguably more beautiful than the original albums. Then there are about 8 full size pages of photos with lyrics on them. The Hissing photos are various shots of Joni swimming in a blue pool in the squinting sun. But the Hejira shots are incredible. They are b/w and tell a story. There is a road running thru a frozen lake. Joni is on the road in her black crow outfit with a heavy set older man holding a piece of luggage in each hand. Toller Cranston is gyrating on the lake. I won't give away the ending but it involves the bridal girl. There are at least 4 songs reflected in these photos. Plus there is a gorgeous double color photo of a road in the burning desert at dawn. I "talked" to the seller - he has more. Contact him at MPadi34031@aol.com or look at his auctions. Happy hunting. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hissing and Hejira songbooks available --- "J.David Sapp" wrote: > After our recent discussion about songbooks I went > to ebay and found beautiful > copies of the Hissing and Hejira songbooks. I don't > think they had ever been > opened. > ... > I "talked" to the seller - he has more. Contact him > at MPadi34031@aol.com or > look at his auctions. This is the same guy I bought these from on E-Bay. He must have quite a stash and they're in fine shape - they look brand new. Maybe he used to operate a music shop or something. In anycase, you don't need to bid, you can click on "buy now" and the prices are reasonable, and he was a pleasure to deal with. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:55:47 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Hi there! Here's an announcement that may be of interest: "Only Joni Open Mic" Hosted by Patti Witten Thursday, September 18, 2003 @ 8:00pm - $3 http://www.pattiwitten.com Everyone, including local musicians, actors, artists, -- everyone! -- is invited to the "Only Joni Open Mic," on Thursday, September 18, 2003, from 9-11PM. Joni wannabes, either solo or duo, may sign up to perform up to two songs from La Mitchell's 30-year career. Serious or lighthearted, amateur or professional, all are welcome! Local singer-songwriter and longtime Joni devotee Patti Witten hosts the show (www.pattiwitten.com). Sign up begins at 7:15 PM at Juna's. The "winner," chosen with the help of the audience, wins a prize. Players are responsible for their own accompaniment. PA and a piano will be available. More info: patti@pattiwitten.com 607-275-7504 I plan on being there!! take care, sue - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:52:32 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: magdalene sisters Hi all, Been away from the computer for two weeks and not read all the digests yet. Last night en route from the bedroom to the bathroom and back again (bout of migraine) I noticed Ebert and his new partner on TV reviewing a new movie called The Magdalene Sisters. Too ill to watch, I wondered if they'd used Joni's song anywhere in it. Certainly sounded, from what I caught of it, as if the movie was a riff on her song's theme. You guys already talked about it, I suppose. Uh huh. Kate du Nord, always late for the party ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:58:04 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: magdalene sisters Most likely not, as they would have to admit they might've been influenced by it in the choice of a title. Just about the only disappointment I had with High Fidelity (the movie) was that it did not include Elvis Costello's song of the same name, the obvious inspiration for Nick Hornby's book title. twoshoes@sasktel.net wrote: >Hi all, > >Been away from the computer for two weeks and not read all the digests yet. >Last night en route from the bedroom to the bathroom and back again (bout of >migraine) I noticed Ebert and his new partner on TV reviewing a new movie >called The Magdalene Sisters. Too ill to watch, I wondered if they'd used >Joni's song anywhere in it. Certainly sounded, from what I caught of it, as >if the movie was a riff on her song's theme. > >You guys already talked about it, I suppose. Uh huh. > >Kate du Nord, >always late for the party ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:06:47 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Hi Bob! Well, sticking to only two songs is hard but right now I'm stuck in the low Bs playing Song to A Seagull, Songs to Aging Children Come (that's a nasty one!), Eastern Rain and a new song for me Carnival in Kenora (thanks to Mark D)! I have to gargle with salt before I sing that, it's in the helium range. I also am going to practice Magdalene Laundries to try and let people know that I also play Joni's more current tunes! Don't even get me started on why I'm not going to be at Jonifest. Maybe that's why I've been singing STACC. I'm in mourning. BOO HOO! love you all, Sue At 2:50 PM -0400 8/4/03, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/4/2003 1:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sem8@cornell.edu writes: > >> I plan on being there!! > >What are you planning on playing, Sue? >I look forward to your report. > >Bob > >NP: The Temptations, "Since I Lost My Baby" - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:35:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 In a message dated 8/4/2003 3:06:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: > Songs to Aging Children Come > (that's a nasty one!), You're right - hasn't been tried by many, and the last time I heard it live (Wall to Wall JM in NYC), it was really awful - at least the singer also proved he could ruin Joni's newer material as well when he did a TI that just about cleared the house. I still remember your "Come To The Sunshine" from last year, one of the Fest highlights for me. Bob NP: The Temps, "Cloud 9" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 --- Susan McNamara wrote: > Hi Bob! > > Well, sticking to only two songs is hard but right > now I'm stuck in > the low Bs playing Song to A Seagull, Songs to Aging > Children Come > (that's a nasty one!), Eastern Rain and a new song > for me Carnival in > Kenora (thanks to Mark D)! I have to gargle with > salt before I sing > that, it's in the helium range. Couldn't you just tune the guitar down a tone or two? Not the easiest thing to do with Joni's tunings, I guess, because if you tune any of the strings too low, you lose the tone (and sometimes the string as well...) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:45:26 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Well, on my guitar going lower than B sounds like I'm playing a rusty gate! :-) At 4:39 PM -0400 8/4/03, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Susan McNamara wrote: > Hi >Bob! >> >> Well, sticking to only two songs is hard but right >> now I'm stuck in >> the low Bs playing Song to A Seagull, Songs to Aging >> Children Come >> (that's a nasty one!), Eastern Rain and a new song >> for me Carnival in >> Kenora (thanks to Mark D)! I have to gargle with >> salt before I sing >> that, it's in the helium range. > >Couldn't you just tune the guitar down a tone or two? >Not the easiest thing to do with Joni's tunings, I >guess, because if you tune any of the strings too low, >you lose the tone (and sometimes the string as >well...) > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:46:37 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Oh wow this sounds like a great event. If I wasn't here I would so be there. It would be interesting to hear which songs people do. Steve NP: 'Lorca' - Tim Buckley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:49:56 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: survival of the list w/out the inner circle I am sure the outer circle will do just fine while the inner circle is at Jonifest. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance --- Lori Fye wrote: > Maggie and whoever > helped her had to spend fairly significant chunks of > their fest time > doing food-related things, rather than enjoying the > music and > relaxing. It might sound fun to do the girl scout > thing with everyone > pitching in to cook, but personally, at age 45 Im > over that I was never into that at any age, LOL. Where there are potatoes to be peeled, you won't find me! > Plus, in years past those of us who werent lucky > enough to be able to > bed down in Asharas house or hearty enough to camp > in her backyard > rented motel rooms in nearby towns which, lovely as > they are, had to be > located again in the wee hours of the morning -- ask > Hell about riding > around with me half the night, looking for Mr. > Goodbar ... oh wait, we > were looking for our motel! ... and you can ask Jimmy and Les and Kerry about our quest to find Jimmy's hotel at 3:30 a.m. It was always in sight, but impossible to get to. If I had had a SUV, I could have just driven through a field and got straight to it. And oh yeah, we had to find out hotel after that too which was equally a mystery. I'm sure there's some kind of warp in the space/time continuum in that part of Mass. because I swear these buildings just come and go as they please - and I hadn't had a thing to drink but water either, so drunkenness isn't even a factor! I, for one, am looking forward to a place where no driving is involved. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:00:40 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle > I am sure the outer circle will do just fine while the inner circle > is at Jonifest. True, but you'll miss us!! NPIMH: "We can't return we can only look Behind from where we came And go round and round and round Inner circle game" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:22:41 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni in Maxim Blender magazine Recently my son, Josh, found an article in Maxim Blender's June/July issue about Joni. Its a two page article, highlighting all of her CDs, dividing it into catagories of "Blender Approved," "Great", "Check it out" "Be Careful" and "For Fans Only". Each CD has a short review and "standout tracks" for each. It also has a great picture of Joni from the 70s. Check it out!! Hugs, AShara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni's "Clouds" album I hadn't listened to "Clouds" in years because it's one that I didn't have in CD form but, over the weekend, I picked up a copy for $8.99 (quelle bargoon!) I've just given it a listen and hey, it sounds good! Even sang along with "Both Sides Now", which I thought I'd never do, as it has been so done to death by many's the mediocre artist. Speaking of not knowing what you've got 'til it's gone, sometimes it's great when it comes back. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:12:05 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album I love 'Clouds'! It's a very sombre album with a lot of power. 'That Song About The Midway' is a fave of mine. Also the first Joni song that I learned on guitar which 'clicked' is on 'Clouds'! Is it true that Joni herself doesn't think much of 'Clouds' now? I read something along those lines somewhere. Steve NP: 'Babe Rainbow' - Melanie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Jonilist" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: Joni's "Clouds" album > I hadn't listened to "Clouds" in years because it's > one that I didn't have in CD form but, over the > weekend, I picked up a copy for $8.99 (quelle > bargoon!) I've just given it a listen and hey, it > sounds good! Even sang along with "Both Sides Now", > which I thought I'd never do, as it has been so done > to death by many's the mediocre artist. Speaking of > not knowing what you've got 'til it's gone, sometimes > it's great when it comes back. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I love 'Clouds'! > It's a very sombre album with a lot of power. > 'That Song About The Midway' is a fave of mine. > Also the first Joni song that I learned on guitar > which 'clicked' is on > 'Clouds'! > > Is it true that Joni herself doesn't think much of > 'Clouds' now? I read > something along those lines somewhere. Maybe she should give it a listen. :] ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:39:50 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album > Is it true that Joni herself doesn't think much of 'Clouds' now? Well you know she's looked at clouds from both sides now ... Perhaps she's changed her mind. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:43:47 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album "Catherine McKay" wrote: > Maybe she should give it a listen. :] No I think she only listens to Billie Holliday or Miles Davis now ;{) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:22:52 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Top 8 Joni Albums What are your top 8 Joni Albums? mine are(not necessaily in this order): 1)Hissing of Summer Lawns 2)For The Roses 3)Hejira 4)Blue 5)Shadows and light 6)Miles of Aisles 7)Clouds 8)Court and Spark _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:21:22 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: magdalene sisters David wrote: > Most likely not, as they would have to admit they > might've been influenced by it in the choice of a > title. Just about the only disappointment I had > with High Fidelity (the movie) was that it did > not include Elvis Costello's song of the same > name, the obvious inspiration for Nick > Hornby's book title. In the case of the Magdalene Laundries, I doubt Joni's song had anything at all to do with the name of the movie. The Magdalene Sisters existed long before Joni wrote about them, and I thought she'd written the song after seeing a documentary piece on 60 Minutes about them? Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:43:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: magdalene sisters Hell writes: << I thought she'd written the song after seeing a documentary piece on 60 Minutes about them? >> The documentary is called something like, believe it or not, "Sex in a Cold Climate." (I read a review of the new movie and I think that's right, although I am much more certain of what Carly said she said to Mick 30 years ago.) The documentary is getting a lot of new attention now that the feature film is out. The new movie is supposed to be pretty bad, but not in a legendary way like "Gigli." So, in summary, I would say that the best "art" that ever came from this tragic, more-cruel-than-almost-any-other-sadistically-cruel-Catholic-stories-you've-ever-heard situation is Joni's song recorded with the Chieftains. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:44:09 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: misquote/JoniFest In a message dated 8/4/03 3:01:20 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > >I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest, and I >must admit that my interest took a nose-dive last year when it was >transformed from an informal annual weekend get-together at Ashara's (and >nearby motels) into something far more organized and expensive, at a resort. >I wouldn't be surprised if this "growing" of the Fest, into an event >complete with commemorative merchandise and daily agendas and workshops and >what have you, has been the primary reason for the decline in interest. >Maybe there could be a return to greater informality in the future, wherein >the Fest again becomes a gathering of friends old and new, with no real >agenda but to see where things go, and with no financial and/or commitment >deadlines. I didn't write the above; I merely replied to it. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:58:04 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Song for Sharon In a message dated 8/4/03 3:01:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Didn't I hear long ago that "Indians" have a congenitally better sense of > balance than other races? They were, I thought, always considered the best > workers on "high steel." > > > LAHM > Very Brave, David (no pun intended :-) ) Hey, when is Joni gonna write song for Abbas ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:07:24 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle Yea but what about all you SQUARES that AREN'T coming????? HAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHH Paz (Sixth year and counting. Ok so I don;t have a life and don9t' wanna live vicariously sue me) > I am sure the outer circle will do just fine while the inner circle is at > Jonifest. > > Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:12:49 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: SfS Jenny wrote: > I have to admit Bob, that if a beginning songwriter handed me SFS and asked > for my feedback, I would have made many of the same edits you did. Yet part > of what endeared me to Joni in the beginning was her verbosity - and using > it to break out of expected phrasing and song structures. I have to admit, Jenny, that if a beginning songwriter handed me SFS and asked for my feedback, I would jump her bones. I was thinking some more about the 'flow' of SfS. (And as Bob Muller acknowledged - thanks Bob - some of my edits are just so that I can manage to get the song out with a reasonable flow when I try it my-limited-self). What I was thinking is that Joni graces SfS with quite a few informal, conversational touches, almost to suggest that it is stream of consciousness - but the structure of the work belies that possibility. It is at once structured poetry and an open letter to a friend - a tough blend to concoct, it seems to me. I agree that my edits detract from that charming informality. Like I said, I just don't quite know how to handle it Joni's way - too tough for me. Still love the song, though. I'll let her get away with a warning, even though she was doing 120 in a 35 zone. ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:19:12 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle Paz wrote: > Yea but what about all you SQUARES that AREN'T coming????? Hmpft! We are more diverse than that and have our inner and outer parallelograms and triangles, too! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:28:24 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: magdalene sisters There was a quite extensive review of the movie, including a Joni reference, over the weekend in the LA Times but it cannot be accessed online without subscribing to their calendarlive.com. (which I don't wish to do). The review said the film was not inspired by Joni's song but it did give a nod to her interest in the topic. It also said that the film is pretty raw and disturbing. Also today the LA Times had an article about the Sisters of Mercy, Maryland branch, apologizing for the actions of its sisters in the past. It was a thoughtful and eloquent apology. They had a Magdalene Laundry in San Francisco at one point, too. (shudder) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:37:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: magdalene sisters hah! nancy mitford must be laughing about it. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 04 de Agosto de 2003 11:44 p.m. Para: hell@ihug.co.nz; dsadowski@ameritech.net; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: magdalene sisters The documentary is called something like, believe it or not, "Sex in a Cold Climate." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:40:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: magdalene sisters they also have the sisters of perpetual indulgence in san francisco. now that's one convent i'd like to be tortured at. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de kakki Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Agosto de 2003 12:28 a.m. Para: Murphycopy@aol.com; hell@ihug.co.nz; dsadowski@ameritech.net; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: magdalene sisters . They had a Magdalene Laundry in San Francisco at one point, too. (shudder) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:04:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 5 1994: Joni gave a press conference at the Edmonton Folk Festival. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/EdmontonPress94.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:04:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 5 On August 5 the following articles were published: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=252 1979: "Joni Shines in Concert" - Daily Oklahoman (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=837 1994: "Edmonton Folk Festival Press Conference " - Edmonton Folk Festival (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=650 1994: "Edmonton Press Conference" - NA (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=965 1994: "Edmonton Press Conference (Part 2)" - NA (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=966 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #246 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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